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    Of the six dogs my wife and I have had in 33 yrs of marriage, 4 have been shelter rescues, and they all turned out to be about the best dogs you could ever ask for. One was a last-second reprieve against "euthanasia" -- the shelter workers couldn't bear to put Sadie down, kept her a week past her time. Our vet networked the info to my wife, and we got her out of there the next day. Our newest dog was probably a pre-emptive strike against a shelter drop-off: our neighbor got drunk and bought his son a puppy...then a few days later realized that they didn't have the time nor wherewithal to actually raise a puppy. I was away when we acquired little Dixie (a golden retriever/dachshund combination -- looks like a very short, long Golden, irrepressibly cute and at now about 2 yrs old, still looks like a Golden puppy), and don't know the details of the acquisition, but I have a sneaking suspicion that thievery was involved. She was our first puppy in many, many years... we tend to adopt more mature dogs from the pound. She's keeping our 10-yr old Gussie (black street-dog kind of mutt) young and us in constant stitches....cuteness being impossible to ignore.
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    According to the last figures I saw, two million dogs and cats are killed in "shelters" every year in the U.S., because people can't be bothered to take care of them. And that's a huge drop over the days when it was more like six million. As far as I'm concerned, ONE is unacceptable. On the plus side, I spent major portions of last week going back and forth to the Oakland shelter with a friend to get her lovely new dog last week, so there's one with a happy ending.
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    I hear you, mary. and I WAS only thinking about putting an animal down because they were suffering, sick, or something like that. the idear that people would murder an animal because he pees on the rug, or shreds the furniture, etc. that didn't occur to me. well, I am naive. people abandon pets all the time, too; don't they? why those people should be taken out and shot! (bad joke-- sorry) many a truth found in jest, though... ( -; may both your friends live long, happy lives and pass on in their own way and in their own time without suffering. someone once said, human heaven is where all of the animals/pets you have ever loved are. peace.
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    there is no one answer to this and it depends on the animal and the situation. What I am quite clear on is that it is evil and obscene to use the word "euthanasia" for any killing that is not driven by the welfare of the animal. "Humane euthanasia" as practiced by the "animal shelter" industry is simply mass killing for the convenience of humans. In short, I think it's fundamentally up to the animal, and it's on you as the animal's caregiver to be clued and attentive enough, and conscientious enough, to respond appropriately to what's going on with them. I've euthanized cancer-ridden dogs whose quality of life took a sudden dramatic turn for the worse (if they don't want to eat, big clue...). I've euthanized a cat when the subcutaneous fluids stopped working. I've had others go on their own. I've got two geezers right now. Rex is certainly a lot creakier than he used to be, but he still likes to go to the dog park, still likes to run around and check things out, still gets excited when it's time for a walk. Callie is a darn likely candidate to make it to 20. Which is to say, the issue looms large in my mind. It's part of the deal when you take on an animal that you are most sacredly obliged to do right by that animal for the rest of its natural life. Not that the animal has to fit into your life or your convenience. So no, you may not kill your animal because he pees on the floor. You may not kill your kitten because she sheds on the furniture. You may not kill your animal because you can't be bothered to provide proper care and medical treatment. The only reason you may kill your animal is that there is no other way to relieve intractable suffering, and at that point you're arguably obliged to do so.
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    difficult question, doubly difficult issue: is it really ok to put a pet down? luckily I have never had to face this issue, we have always moved around too much to have a 'steady' pet. there was a beagle we bacame attached to, as he shared our garden in one place we crash for a few months out of the year. he was old, and sick, deaf, too in the end. smart, smart dog; would only bark at strangers walking by, remembered and recognized us even after months and months had passed... anyways, his owners, and I never talked to them about this, let him die in his own time. I suppose the beagle suffered tremendously those last few weeks, and certainly the last few days. but, would it have been "ok" to have put him down? I certainly could never make that decision. I hope this is not a bummer to think about, but something I've always had very mixed feelings about. just wondering what others here think. peace.
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    too cool, she says, weeping onto the keyboard.
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    Check out this video about Christian the Lion
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    and thanks for the beams for Sheba!
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    thanks for the heads up!
    I'll think of these folks kindly as I pour the Canidae Platinum into Rex and Callie's dishes...
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    Every time you visit the website freekibble.com, 20 pieces of kibble will be donated to help feed homeless dogs and cats. Saw the story last night on NBC news about the 12 year old girl from Bend, Or. who started the program and it brought tears to my eyes to see this young person doing such a good work. Canidae is one of the sponsors and that's what I feed my dog and it's good food.
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it appears that the word "dogs" in the title here for this forum has become some sort of ad....it's highlighted in green, and leads to something called "gamevance"
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now it's gone
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hmmmmm, just on the last page, it seems
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that selected words throughout this forum have been highlighted and when clicked on lead to ads.....more spam attacks
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I'm seeing a few of the usual annoyances, but nothing like what you describe. I'll keep an eye out though.
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going out to china cat you will be in my prayers tonight. marye i am sorry to hear about rex. i love the dogbook thing. Cash looks like a very happy dog, he must be getting a lot of love from his family. About a month ago my wife made tiger his own facebook page. Thanks everyone for the vibes i think they caught up to me earlier. Today was the first time in 13 years that i went for a walk without tiger, and i felt really at ease with things. When i got back i light a candle and thank him for being in my life.
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for China. I am going to have to make a decision.********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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and sorry things are so tough. Thanks for the kind words, noonie. Yes, Cash is coming right along, though he still has his teenage moments. He certainly took Callie's mind off her troubles, too.
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I'm praying for china, please don't make any final decisions until Callan comes home. I do feel things will work out.
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browsing thru this thread-Marye-I'm sorry you lost Rex, but glad he had a great life. Cash, the dog in Black is too cute. Noonie, TL condolences & everyone else who's lost their pet. Our dog, Cosmic Charlie, found us 2.5 yrs ago on an Indian Reservation in NM. We virtually never leave him. Last nite we went out-the door was open & out he ran. I thought-oh, God-not the street, but he went right to the car & sat=like "take me with you"......he is quite the character & defintely our "forever dog"
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go on home, your mama's calling you!
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3:12 today it's over. black hole what will I do? the kids need me but I am a shell********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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I am so sorry.
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He's under the Magnolia, next to his brother forever. Guess Cassidy is glad to see him again! I keep forgetting and look or listen for him. ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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I am certain that a cat named China has a spirit everlasting....Peace to you and your family TigerLilly....
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There's such a disconnect, our lifespans to theirs. They become part of us, and then are gone so quickly. But we heal. My sincerest condolences. One of my dogs is getting on in years, and I'm mostly oblivious to her rush of time as it compares to mine. Except every once in a while, I take real notice and understand that it won't be that much longer. Will it be this year or next, or the next...or next week? She's about the favorite dog we've ever had, and I know her passing will be tough. I need to remember to live the life she has while she still has it.
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i understand what you ar going through.. i still look around for my dog now and then.. ..always remember the good times you had with china
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During the holiday season, people's thoughts often turn to the less fortunate, and I'd like to remind everyone that there are too many unfortunate members of the four-legged tribe out there that could use a little help. I recently started volunteering a couple times a week at our wonderful local no-kill, all-volunteer shelter, Pet Refuge (helping cats and dogs for the last 32 years), and it's a very rewarding endeavor, if heartbreaking at times (you'll meet some critters who have lived through hell). Scooping litter boxes, cleaning water bowls and cleaning up messes doesn't sound very glamorous, but I've still time to pay attention and give some love to the cats who are waiting for their forever home--and they appreciate it, so very, very much. Now, the people who really look like they're having fun are the ones who volunteer to give the dogs walks around the neighborhood--and the dogs look even happier! So, anyhow, if you have a nearby shelter that actually cares for the animals it takes in, rather than warehousing and "euthanizing" them, I'd encourage you all to give 'em a call and see what you can do to help. Doesn't need to be a donation of time, not even money--old, clean blankets and towels, newspapers, pet food and treats, office and cleaning supplies, maybe even publicity, if you have access to an audience. Pet Refuge even takes aluminum cans! Anything you can do will be appreciated--especially by the dogs and cats who haven't done anything wrong, just have had the bad luck to be unwanted-- (((((animals and the people who love them))))) "A well put together unreality is pretty hard to beat." --Mark Twain
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I would add that if you're in a position to foster a critter it can be a huge godsend. Even if you don't Fail Foster like I did with Callie, who's still here 13 years later (it was pretty obvious within the first 24 hours she was staying...). what city is Pet Refuge in?
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Thanks, Mary, and indeed, fostering is a wonderful thing! With limited space in it's facility, Pet Refuge relies on a dedicated group of foster families to serve as many animals as it can, and I'm sure the situation is the same at any shelter anywhere. And yes, some dogs decide that they just aren't gonna look adoptable at an adoption event--happened to my daughter and her fiance with a wonderful big black dog named Cooper, who they finally adopted themselves. Then there are the extremely giving folks who become permanent fosters for animals who due to health issues or some other problem are not considered adoptable. In those cases Pet Refuge continues to provide health care and food for what is otherwise a permanent home. Big hats off to the people who take on that responsibility. Pet Refuge is in Mishawaka IN, adjoining South Bend, home of Notre Dame University. And for the FaceBook enabled, Pet Refuge's FB page. "A well put together unreality is pretty hard to beat." --Mark Twain
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My golden retriever, Honey, took a lethal shot of phenobarbitol this morning, with my son and I by her side. She'd been losing her appetite as well as her motor skills, sometimes waking up in the middle of the night barking, taking an occasional leak on the carpet, and suffering from a tumor inside her lip. She almost made it to her 16th birthday. Our family will miss her dearly. I hope she's chasing slower rabbits and squirrels wherever she is now.
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am saddened to read of your loss, and am sure she's playing over the rainbow with all of our dearly departed pet friends.********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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I am sending out condolence vibes to your family and the warmest of hugs
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sorry to hear that.......I pray for our lost pets, too.....I'll be thinkin' of your pup at Mass in the morning...
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having lost my Rex at a similar age earlier this year I am especially sorry for your loss, and the loss of all of us who are missing faithful companions at this time...
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The dog is shedding his winter coat right now….a tornado of fine hairs that goes on for 3 months. So we brush him thoroughly twice a day, producing great clumps of fluff. And this year we tried an experiment and have been putting the dog hair in a net bag and hanging it up in a tree. The local birds quickly found it and are now collecting it and using it to line their nests in the nest boxes we put up for them. Neat.
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one bird gathers what another dog spills
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DO NOT USE ADAMS FLEA AND TICK PRODUCTS !!! Sorry abt the caps but I am furious abt this stuff ,, it killed one of our cats .. his name was Jerry named after well you know ..He was a big handsome man kitty .. black with a white tummy, chest and boots .. Please help spread the word on this,, these products need to be completely taken off the market !! Now does anyone know of good flea stuff that works ? Anything more natural to use maybe ? Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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am so sad and angry to hear that-all at the same time! Condolences for your loss, and you ROCK for spreading the word!! FYI tea balm oil helps against fleas, and it's not poisonous. ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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Our much loved male cat Sixto, a white, gray, black and brown shorthair, with six toes on his paws almost made it to his twentieth year. We had to euthanizie him after he suffered some neural damage and couldn't walk anymore without falling over. I knew he was getting old and had gone deaf but I hoped he would make it through the summer. It was his favorite season. He would pad out to our backyard and sleep under the patio table in the grass. I miss him.
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I'm trying to win $1000 in a competition to donate to bushfire victims in Australia. All I need to do is have the biggest group on facebook before feb 15th.Essence Of Argan
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My 18 year old dog Sheba passed away 1o/21/11. She had been with me to Grateful Dead shows in Eugene, Portland, and Seattle- a couple The Dead shows- a few Ratdog shows- a Rhythm Devils and a 7 Walkers show- and a Furthur show in Monterrey. Our last road trip after Monterrey was quite special. She lived years longer than I expected and looked good and stayed active right to the end, but it had been getting tough for a while. I'd been up with her since 2 in the morning the day she passed and could tell this was the moment I'd been dreading for a long time, I finally got her to swallow one of her pain pills about 5 am, then at 7am as day was breaking I played her a song on the guitar and while I was still playing she kicked her legs back a couple times like she was making a leap to go join that band of Angels on the other side, then I just held her and she was soon gone. She faced death with courage and strength, just as she lived.
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so sorry for your loss. I lost my Rex at almost 16 last year and still miss him, despite the many distractions presented by the new young dog who came to distract the grieving Callie. Who's now an old lady herself. Safe passage to Sheba, and happy reunions to us all down the line.
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I read your post saying about Sheeba going for a ride after the show in Monterrey and thought you were referring to your dog. It's a tough thing to lose unconditional love. My heart goes out to you and hope you find a special way to remember her.
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There are plenty of beautiful animals out there in need of a loving home who will bring joy to your heart, please adopt one if you can. I'll be looking for another faithful friend to share the journey with in time.
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Cash, the Dog in Black, is not Rex at all, but he certainly took Callie's mind off her troubles and he is a dear dog. And when I think of the awful things that could have happened to him...
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I lost my best buddy a year and a half ago and we just adopted another dog. I t was a lot harder for me than i thought every dog i looked at just made me think i just want my old buddy back not a replacement. Then we meet daisy the whole family likes her even my son who wanted nothing to do with any other dog. She has been with us for 2 weeks now and every is settling just fine. My 2 year old went up to her said i love you daisy and gave her a hug.It just feels right having a dog in the house. a hug to trailbird
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Our friend, Chris Thiel Shoemaker, of Ellington, MO, sent in some hand drawn dancing bear artwork on the back of his mail order. The ticketing folks were impressed and sent him 2 passes without even charging him. He was stoked. A couple weeks ago he went missing. The local Sheriff's dept put put a missing persons alert. Tragically, his car was found in the bottom of a ravine and he did not survive the accident. http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/m/news/story?id=1195411 He had moved to the Ozarks last year to chase his dream of sustainable agriculture and it's too uncomfortable for any of us to ask his family to locate them in the wake of his death. His last wishes would have been for his son Aaron to be at the show in his absence. Another friend has offered to pay Aaron's airfare from Fargo if we can sort out the tickets. Chris (shooey) best friend Jade Larsen will accompany him. If Chris was miracled just for his artwork, please let his soul and spirit shine by making this happen for his son. Forever grateful.....
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He's gone.... RIP Gus, our 13 1/2 yr old Maine Coon. Sudden cardiac death. Life is fleeting, enjoy every minute and take none for granted.... ...smile, Smile, SMILE ....hey Gus, say hi to Jerry for me....
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Heartbroken for you to hear that Gus has moved on. We bonded over our animals at the start, didn't we? I think of my Stanley and Ollie every day. I'll add Gus to my devotions. Give Puppers & Eddie a hug for me. Sending you all love and the warmest thoughts...
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So sad to hear about Gus. You're in my thoughts and prayers tonight.
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Losing a longtime buddy does leave this smoking crater in your heart...
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Hey Brother- So Sorry to hear your beloved fur-ball Gus headed over the rainbow bridge. He is in the company of other great coon cats and jammers...one beautiful young lady, our Gracie, headed over that way after 15 or 16 years with us five years ago. Greatest cat ever, opinions may differ of course. I like to think they are playing in the clouds together, Gracie showing Gus the ropes, catching dew drops and musical notes from hither and yon, and always chasing that imaginary shadow or ray of light. Gus did well on this earth and will be missed. Our sympathies go out to you and your family and Sarge.