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    When our previous topic hit the 1,000-response mark, sleazy behavior by politicians was eliciting a certain amount of non-astonishment.

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    Was the biggest lie in modern American history, maybe in all of American history. Why is it that the lowly citizens get themselves in big trouble both legally and morally for lying but our "great and fearless" leaders do it every single day and their lies cost people their lives?? "Only the dead will see the end of the war" -Plato "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"
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    ...is God's way of teaching Americans geography. Ambrose Bierce (American Satirist 1842-1914. Author of the wonderful Devil's Dictonary: www.thedevilsdictionary.com/)
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    let's elaborate on that a wee bit Gonzo-shall we? Since you mentioned it and all.Pakistan is at this very moment under a deluge of water. Monsoon season/major flooding. Millions homeless, thousands dead. Overall dissillusionment with the governnemt-while the Pakistanis were suffering yesterday, their president was safe and sound in Paris (I think it was) The main region of Pakistan that is affected is close to the border to Afghanistan. Hmmm prime opportunity for the Taliban to show up as a humanitarian organization. Dispensing food, first aid, and recruiting new members. ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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    If you think the only way you can get your point across is through the barrel of a gun then you must not have very much of a point. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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    Dissent against war then and now
    I have not made a painful, side-by-side comparison of the dissent to war in America 1965-1973 and 2001-2010. This subject is worthy of research in great detail. Several points do readily come to mind, though... The precursors to war were vastly different: The Gulf of Tonkin resolution vs. 9/11. The current wars are seen as readily justified as the US homeland was attacked. In contrast to Vietnam, where the anti-war movement made serious errors in how returning veterans were treated, the current wars are popularly justified as "We have to Support the Troops". The line between support of military veterans and support of conflict has been intentionally obscured. The military is now an all-voluntary (if economic conscription is not counted) force as opposed to the Vietnam conflict in which service was demanded at the threat of prison or exile. The way the war is covered by the press: The press was still an independent force subject to military censorship in Vietnam. Now, the war coverage is completely controlled through tight access and self-censorship due to conservative tendencies of major news organizations. These same news organizations serve to reinforce the legitimacy of war through slanted reporting. FOX news must be mentioned here. FOX got it's start as a conservative, jingoistic propaganda operation of the military-industrial complex scant months before 9/11, which gave it it's major push as a national network with a viewer base. There have not been major demonstrations against the war since the lead-up to conflict in Iraq in the spring of 2003. The anti-war movement fell apart in the face of the Bush onslaught. The movement has yet to regain it's feet and may never do so due to powerful forces of primal fear continually reinforced by heavy media exposure to terrorist incidents in the US and abroad.
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    ...is usually measured in blood and treasure: Iraq: (since war began 3/19/03 to 8/3/10 -- almost 7 years and 5 months) Dead: 4413 Wounded: estimated to be over 100,000 Cost: 737 Billion (real time spending clock costofwar.com) Afghanistan: (since war began 9/11/01 to 8/3/10 -- 8 years, 11 months) Dead:1216 Wounded: ?? Cost: 287.5 Billion (costofwar.com) These are the costs to the US alone. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The war was basically one family's (Bush) obsession with Saddam Hussein. Afghanistan has never been militarily conquered in it's history. The most any invader has been able to do is temporarily occupy. This war has been the Pentagon's obsession with Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban. To date Bin Laden has not been captured and the Taliban has not been defeated. Evidence grows that Iran and rogue elements of the Pakistani government are bankrolling and training proxy fighting groups as well as the Taliban in that country.
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    Congrats to Chelsea!
    I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to have Billary for parents!
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    NPR's environmental show that airs on Sunday evenings (in my locale) had somebody on last night from one of the more venerable, established environmental groups. He was a very well-spoken, older gentleman. The words coming out of his mouth were very radical though: Corporations are the enemy of all mankind. They are actively sabotaging climate treaties through propaganda and bribes through their lobbyists. There is no time left.
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    Unfortunatley not-the bulls are killed in the arena. It's a brutal vile sport!!! Only in Portugal are they slightly more civil, and it is forbidden to kill them.********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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    ...let the bull live, don't they? Maybe Lilly knows.
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James Madison once wrote, "Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other." In armed conflict, he argued, "the discretionary power of the executive is extended ... and all the means of seducing the minds are added to those of subduing the force of the people.... No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." Nine years ago today, the roar of falling aircraft and crumbling buildings gave way to the cries of dying innocents, and that tragic cacophony shook this nation to its foundations. The echoes of that awful, unnatural din still resound in unwelcome ways. Who, for example, could have foreseen that it would crowd from our national conversation the quiet wisdom of voices like Madison's? Obama campaigned on the promise to end torture and shut down the gulag, but the infamous prison camp at Guantanamo remains, trials for accused terrorists have yet to be conducted and the "extraordinary renditions" reportedly continue. (We don't know for sure because they're done in secret.) Equally troubling, the White House reportedly has authorized U.S. intelligence agencies to kill Anwar Awlaki, an Islamic clergyman turned jihadist who was born and raised in the U.S. and is now hiding in Yemen. The summary execution of a U.S. citizen is something not even Bush and Cheney authorized. As former CIA Director Michael V. Hayden told the Washington Times this week, differences between the Bush-Cheney White House for which he worked and the Obama administration on these issues essentially are minor. "You've got state secrets, targeted killings, indefinite detention, renditions, the opposition to extending the right of habeas corpus to prisoners," Hayden said. "Although it is slightly different, Obama has been as aggressive as Bush in defending prerogatives about who he has to inform in Congress for executive covert action." Another unlooked-for consequence of 9/11 is that reasonable people see issues such as torture and access to legal redress for its victims as difficult questions. This week, a narrowly divided panel of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that those who were tortured in America's gulag cannot sue for damages because the administration believes their attempt to obtain justice may reveal state secrets. The notion that evidence may be withheld from public scrutiny for reasons of national security is well established, but the idea that injured parties can be denied legal redress because the executive branch wants the matter kept secret is an appalling novelty. The story of how the Bush-Cheney administration rushed to make torture an instrument of national policy in its "war on terror," and of how it created an international gulag in which to abuse prisoners, is well known. Less remarked on — for reasons that do nobody credit — is the fact that President Obama and his administration have embraced the secrecy and usurpations of power that made possible the Bush-Cheney betrayal of American values. Tom Rutten, Op-Ed in the LA Times on 9/11/10 Is Obama just more palatable for a greater majority of Americans? Just liberal window-dressing for the same gnashing of fangs? I hate to point it out, but probably so. ~ The time had come to weigh these things ~
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Well said Gonzo
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Finally get a decent handle on the Boulder fire and now NW Loveland is burning down. A little rain please! "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"
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Imagine a storm building, dark grey clouds covering the entire horizon. Then a few drops turn into a drizzle that turns into a steady rain that completely soaks the ground. Then it pours for a good hour and a half, but so much so that it floods even a small creek. Even the tiniest of animals find comfort and shelter. Imagine the last flames of this fire drowning quietly in the fall rain amidst the colors of turning leaves. May it be!
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not that that is unexpected in the Pacific Northwest. Wish I could box it up and send it where it's needed but I'll try to point wet vibes that way!!!
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"which side is johnman on, anyway?"...I'm fully aware that I cannot be all things to all people. I'm am constantly exasperated by the liberal/conservative points of view and I cannot completely espouse either side, I can only be true to myself. I'm not conservatively liberal and neither am I liberally conservative. Both sides are too damned elitist. I often feel that I am an Anarchist in the literal sense but not the accepted definition. I believe in a small government but one that must have teeth, and be there when the people need it, not telling the people how they should live. I believe in God, but don't accept the fundamentalist Bible thumping that most people see as "Christian" and isn't even close to Christ's teachings (and don't even get me started on those televised nitwits, and even THEY are not all phonies). I own, use and collect firearms, but I'm not a "gun nut". I love my country and would willingly die for her, but I fear the government.....so, I can only be johnman.... a Christian deadhead American who loves everyone, likes music, and is quite fond of cookies, beer, peanutbutter, cake....beer, and beer. If I could find a way to repay the kindness of the many friends I have found here I would be darn near satisfied, almost...sort of.
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Thanks for laying it out there so honestly, buddy. Isn't it amazing how this stuff pours out on an internet site where perfect strangers see it? Can't go wrong being honest. You're the Dude that Abides in Tacoma for the Biggest Dude in the Sky!!
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wagwagwagwagwagwagwagwagwag....(waving paw)
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Johnman and Lamagonzo, I am grooving on the verbal vibrations you two have humming coast to coast....The simple truth honestly expressed is a great and wonderful to give as well as to recieve....
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Gift, great and wonderful gift....
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are those poor guys trapped in a mine in Chile for 5 weeks. I think perhaps we should vibe them really hard that they get out safely. I saw on the news last night that the rescue equipment is being stolen from under the noses of the people working to free the miners. How RUDE!! The thiefs should be hung up by their toes, upside down! Also that the drill bit that they are using to drill a new hole broke yesterday. Hope those miners get out safely, and SOON! ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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...the miners. What a sad story. It seems so unbelievable that they can get food and cameras down into the mine but can't get the miners out. That the rescue equipment is being stolen is also hard to imagine and testifies to just how bad things are in Chile. What is highly ironic is that Chilean government officials are walking around in red windbreakers looking for photo ops., as if they were saviors of the poor miners. These are the same bureaucrat fat-cats who regularly take bribes to allow the unsafe practices to go on that caused this accident in first place. Good psychology, nutrition and lots of benzos should pull those poor souls through, if they can dig a privy.
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Could be xmas by the time these souls are out they are drillimg three hole concurrently it is strange that lighting and stuff can be sent down but nothing is coming up.On a plus the authorities have sent down cigarettes all they need now is rizzla and a couple ozs of white widow and they wont want to come up.Much peace and love to you chilean miming dudes
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miming dudes trapped in a mine lol oh dear me lol
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With unemployment hovering around 240 million in the industrialized countries and about 34 million hardcore (six months or more) unemployed in the US there are reports saying that social unrest can be expected. These are the worst numbers since the Great Depression of the 1930s. The police chief of Britain says that his force may not be able to handle the situation. My feeling is that people don't riot unless they don't have enough to eat or a place to sleep out of the rain and the cold. The poor usually just bear their load in stoic silence. We'll see. Here in Vermont there is a push from certain quarters of State and Federal government (Sen. Bernie Sanders, only socialist in the Senate) for employees to own the means of production. The feeling is that they won't send their own jobs to China or India... Unless, of course, they become successful enough. Workers of the world unite!
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we also had a story in the newspaper about how one of the trapped miner's wife AND girlfriend running into each other when they came to the site of the accident. I could imagine that this poor fellow's gonna be miming like hell when he gets out! Guess maybe he's hoping they have time to cool down before he gets out. :) ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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we also had a story in the newspaper about how one of the trapped miner's wife AND girlfriend running into each other when they came to the site of the accident. I could imagine that this poor fellow's gonna be miming like hell when he gets out! Guess maybe he's hoping they have time to cool down before he gets out. :) ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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got impatient and posted twice.********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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but, it's a good thing they can send lights down, or the mimes would have a heck of a time understanding each other. I DO wonder how they can send equipment down but do not have the resources to bring anyone up........cigarettes, now.....do they really need them?...sounds like the right time to quit...no choice. As a non-practicing smoker of 13 years (you never really quit, the cravings are always there) I would say this is the perfect opportunity.
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you had been asking for more lighthearted news a few days ago-well have a doozy for you now! This article is a minefield of comment fodder, as you will see if you read this link. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/75198 ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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A CO professor fired for espousing ridiculous views after they muzzle his free speech by finding other grounds to fire him? That is far from lighthearted. Are you sure you posted the right link?? I would call it ominous. Our rights are being lost to Muslimaphobia, the same way they were in the 50s during the McCarthy hysteria over communists. Go ahead and espouse giving up our rights if you want to. You live in Germany. We have to put up with corporate rule in this country, bought and paid for. I am thinking of Dewlover now and his continued use of the term "Islamofascist". There is certainly a nasty backlash going on right now in this country and it is getting nastier by the second. people are hurting economically and they are looking for a scapegoat. Very scary.
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You must have read the wrong article. This one is about a UCLA study evaluating genital washing to prevent spread of HIV. Lighthearted bordering on ridiculous! $800,000 for that? Money well spent I guess! Sheesh! "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"
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it's an article about uncircumcised males in Africa learning how to wash...with our tax dollars funding the program (hmmmmm...)
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"...the penis-washing study received money..." Well, yes, I think YOUR tax dollars should go toward African men washing their uncircumcised penises at least 12 hours after having sex, but not MY tax dollars. My tax dollars are being used to study the effects of cocaine on monkeys. I missed my calling in life. Little did I know the big bucks were to be made by being a researcher who hires a smart grant-writer. Worse than the military budget waste, I think.
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you'd think they'd be all over the place with that stuff. they need to start a study on the effects of beer and cookies on fat deadheads, so's i can volunteer....
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If miming dude has a lick of sense he'll have them bring his sorry ass out on a board. Maybe he can plot his escape from medical....
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to find stories like you are describing funny. Had a private field day of giggles and stupid puns in mind though about that tax dollars for penis hygiene article though! Wonder how much they paid the guys doing the demonstration of proper hygiene??? ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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FC Barcelona 5 - 1 Panathinaikos ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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A simple spelling mistake chilean miming dudes and look what it creates lol you guys are amazing much love and peace to you all.
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cheered me up no end then we have confusion over posting and pasting lol and then johnman i have this mental picture of african gentlemen scrubbing their bollocks with american tax dollars oh dear me lol.
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Luke angel 17 sat down on saturday night had a few drinks and watched a program about 9/11 he became angry, decided it was all obamas fault,sent the president an email calling him a prick.Luke has now been banned from entering the usa for the rest of his life,is it me or is this a bit exreme? YOUR THOUGHTS PLEEEZE.
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"sticks and stones can break our bones but namecalling (even at politicians) can never hurt us" or however that old saying goes. sounds like Luke is a moron, but that's beside the point. Calling someone a prick is not exactly kind, but is not the same as a threat. ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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Jeez, wonder if he's on the no fly list?
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"IS THIS A JOKE???" "When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest!" - Bullwinkle Moose
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The Tea Party candidates did well. Here we have a party with no leaders bankrolled by the billionaire Koch Brothers that is about to throw elections to the Democrats by inverting the political landscape and putting foaming-at-the-mouth-radical-republicans in charge. I guess we should be thankful but I somehow agree with them (the moderate, non-racist, financial conservatives) who want to sweep out the career politicians. Except that leaves such a huge unknown it is unnerving. Look for a cratered political landscape after the midterms with Obama having a green light to push his agenda, do-or-die, till the next presidential election. Hope he grabs the opportunity by the balls.
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Missouri US senate candidates Blunt and Carnahan have been slamming each other since August. Yesterday, FOX & Chris Wallace sued Carnahan to keep her from using FOX broadcast material that shows how Blunt is in several lobbyist's pockets and may have taken the most contributions of anyone on the Hill. I say throw the bum out! The Party of No is driving me crazy. Other than that, I agree with 'Gonzo on Prez Obama making hay while the sun shines.
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He should have grabbed the opportunity by the balls some time ago! It took me a while to warm to Obama, but I finally voted for him because I thought he would do what he thought was right regardless of political considerations. That's what real leadership is! If Abraham Lincoln had been driven by public opinion polls I doubt that he would have been one of our greatest presidents!
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I fell for Obama and he's let us down the same if not more than the other Bozo's. I thought it would be different but it's not. He's insulting to the group's intelligence I won't list them all but this is where he started to lose me. All the new bills would be debated on CSPAN and posted on the internet at least a week before a vote. That would allow us to see who's doing what to us. The oil spill was next and really ticks me off, it took 6 days for him to comment, the ArmyCorp wouldn't let them build barriers under threat of prosecution, then turning down help from other countries. I do environmental compliance for a living and you would not be allowed to start anything with the potential to pollute without a comprehensive plan, (SPCC,DPCC, and others). They were inspected 3 months previous and were going to get an AWARD! Perhaps the last thing, but most important to me. Every-time he makes an address, he either points a finger at some one or insults or someone. I can't remember any Pres ever doing this. I listened to you guys and voted, something I won't do again, but I still Love you guys and everything we've been through. Hair Lyle Alzado
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I believe it was Nancy P from SF giving money to one of her kid's friends. They didn't say how much the original grant was, as this is at least year 2. It breaks my heart & pisses me off how far we've changed direction. As a result of bushes stupidity, the press has just ignored giving us the truth. They won't ask a probing question of this group in Washington at all. See how quick the tax cheating fed workers story was dropped. 1.3bil$ in unpaid taxes, 85 white house employees owe 1.8mil$ We would be it jail, wages garnished, property leaned on. They just chuckle and get promoted & raises. None of them have any respect, especially if it takes more than 12 hrs to wash your penis. Gasp! Nancy look what you've done!! Zippy for President 2012
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...Nancy should take less than 12 hours to wash her penis using tax doillars. I'm told hers grew there after her second term in office and now she is thinking of having it run for it's own seat in Congress. "Will the Chairwoman yield the floor to her squeaky clean penis?"
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It's frustrating to see the gridlock, the inability to accomplish goals set during campaigns, and then listen to the cries and deception of the likes of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity and right-wingers writing on the web and in the papers. Imagine what would happen if Republicans actually gain ground and put Boehner in charge of the House? Not to say I'm happy with Pelosi and Reed, but the alternative is certainly repulsive to progressives like myself.
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They're the same, Man. Our rights are eroding either way. Keep their laws off our bodies!!! Oh and send some stimulants and money our way!!
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"One of the most bullish charts in recent times has been the path taken by the yellow metal. It's climbed relentlessly with barely a pause, but there's evidence it's due for a fall in the near future." So said one stock analyst on 9/1/10. Giess what? Gold just hit a new high of $1280 dollars per ounce today on the London exchange. I guess we can throw out all conventional analysis. The continuing strength of gold means that nobody has any confidence in the "perceived" worth of paper currency. Nor should they. The bearings on the printing presses are smoking and politicians are talking about new stimulus/bailout plans. (I'm not pushing any agenda here, certainly not the Palin/Beck tea-baggers). The truth is that there are so many scary variables in play that people are running for the high ground of the safest assets of what they "perceive" as the safest assets. You can't eat, heat, clothe or power your car with paper or gold. Scary thoughts for a Monday morning...
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Come back, and reading through this thread realize that it has become an actual source of news for me...look at everything that I missed! From penis cleansing to eating gold to something about mimers:), I find out things here that just don't seem to register in my consciousness otherwise. Thanks, folks....I think.