Dave's Picks Volume 25: Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, NY 11/6/77

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heatherlew

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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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February 28, 2018 - 7:11pm

#1701

JimInMD

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Re: Kyle

Agree on more mini boxes and less monster boxes. I can only assume Boxzilla was a vast and hugely successful conspiracy orchestrated by a divorce attorney think tank and lobbying group in DC.
February 28, 2018 - 7:10pm

#1702

kyleharmon

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I myself would prefer one box

I myself would prefer one box set a year. because we all pretty much spent roughly 300 dollars in one year for a dave's picks sub, get shown the light and RFK. honestly I would prefer more mini box sets like RFK. the bigger they are the less likely I can get one and then i'm at the mercy of someone sending me digital an ALAC copy like with 30 Trips and Europe '72. and its not like I'm sitting around mooching off people I have bought every box set barring winterland '77 and and subscribed to to Dave's Picks since Dave's 13. but you know I cant buy them all. I don't know if I can get the one this year or not cuz if it costs more than the $160 bucks I have saved from holiday gift money I'm flat out fucked. I keep my box sets in the original mail box they come in even if they are gathering dust because computers can crash and external hard drives can get wiped out. which I would be crestfallen cuz my 30 Trips is all digital and it took me a whole summer and fall to get those.
February 28, 2018 - 7:05pm

#1703

JimInMD

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Re:

I buy these releases for the skeletons with beards. This thread seems to be suffering from a multi-personality disorder at the moment, which is fine. I am drawn to the anniversary hype and what these shows do to the ears and minds of the beholders. I am mildly amused by some of the rest. I'm half tempted to steer the conversation to something less controversial like religious cults and why you should join one now, family planning techniques or Hitler, the worlds greatest philanthropist. Softer topics that warm the heart. Good stuff mostly.. it is all about the music and I guess the culture fun and prankish comradery. What a great month for GD History. Edit: Oh, love Dicks Picks 28.. it's another great twofer. I wonder if I will still be alive when this comes out on vinyl?
February 28, 2018 - 6:39pm

#1704

Mind-Left-Body

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I agree people like us will

I agree people like us will continue to get our Dave's Picks subscriptions and new box sets whether they re-release the old stuff or not. But the resellers would stop buying in bulk quantity if all of the releases are just going to be re-issued in a few years. That's why Dick's Picks are not nearly as expensive on ebay. And re-issues do hurt resellers. Just look at how much the original Road Trips came down in price on ebay, after Real Gone started selling the re-issues. So for example if Dave's Picks started being re-issued by Real Gone, the 18,000 Dave's Picks manufactured is not going to maintain those quick sellouts, or continue to grow (I think somebody said 33% since 2012). Resellers probably account for at least 25% of the overall Dave's Picks sales. Rhino isn't going to rock that boat for 10K in old Fillmore West sets. Get shown the light - that's the instance where they basically screwed the resellers on the "limited edition" sales pitch, by releasing the exact same set a week later, but with no book. They do that enough times, the resellers will wise up, and then maybe it's only one box set a year. Yikes. So I'm fine with resellers. It stokes overall sales and keeps my new Dead tunes coming El rapido.
February 28, 2018 - 6:26pm

#1705

MilesM

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Agree

Totally agree Dave. The end of this show sets it on fire. This Dew has always hit me. Jer takes it to the next level. Love the way the guitar sets the mood at the end. Jerry’s guitar had wings and this one takes off. It continues into the sugar mag and he’s totally into the bid you goodnight so is Phil. Just a cool show. 45 years ago tonight.
February 28, 2018 - 6:17pm

#1706

Mr.Dc

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The Airplane

In defense of the Jefferson Airplane, I'd say that they actually did plenty of jamming in comparison to most of the other bands from around that time and place, with some songs that almost always went over 10-12 min, and several other examples of even longer improv jams etc. The Airplane also changed up their setlists, adding new songs and covers more often than alot of other groups. The airplane also had songs (Dresses too short, Bear Melt, Mau Mau etc) that they would often stretch out in a rave up style similar to Turn on Your Lovelight. They for sure weren't the Dead, but most those bands like Country Joe, Quicksilver, the Blues Project, It's a Beautiful Day etc did some occasional extended jams. Unfortunately one often has to seek out, obtain and be willing to listen to actual bootlegs/audience recordings of full shows to hear alot of these unique jams and extended versions, because there aren't alot of specific examples of them on youtube (you can find some full shows) or through official releases(there's not alot available). Songs I'd recommend for longer airplane jams would be 'Other side of this life', 'Ballad of Pooneil', 'Thing', 'Fat Angel', 'Wooden Ships', and you can also find some good ones that are just entitled "jam". Here's a example of the Airplane jamming a song live in 1968, which is my favorite year for them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmS0KD2QwKc And here is a great jam with Jerry and the Airplane and some members from Santana's percussion line, possibly Mickey as well. Jerry really taps into that 69 Dark Star sound at various points which sounds unique in this context, with Jorma really propeling the jam and taking some great lead spots. There are distinct sections and its all improvised. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9xcGJrf-Q8
February 28, 2018 - 6:07pm

#1707

David Duryea

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'73 listen here

February 28, 1973http://gratefuldeadoftheday.com/02-28-1973 Salt Palace Salt Lake City, Utah While there is much that is very good in here, including a wonderful TLEO and He's Gone in the first set, other parts do not quite seem to reach the outer limits that we know the band is capable of. For instance, the Sugaree is good but not earth-shattering. And, the China> Rider, despite a funky little jam before the transition, does not plumb the full depths of those two tunes. The second set of this show ends with Promised Land, Truckin'> Other One> Eyes> Morning Dew, Sugar Magnolia and then a We Bid You Goodnight encore. Sadly, none of the recordings that are out there seem to capture the entirety of it with the exception, of course, of Dick's Picks Volume 28. Even with the Dick's Picks, you still need to lay your hands on the album because those missing tunes are "album only" on the MP3 download off Amazon. The Dick's Picks is definitely worth hunting down as it is those last few tunes that turn this into something truly special that, I imagine, made Dick Latvala want to send it out into the world from the Vault.
February 28, 2018 - 5:57pm

#1708

MilesM

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1973 is the greatest year in GD history

2/28/73 morning dew. Get some. Still one of my favorites
February 28, 2018 - 5:47pm

#1709

kyleharmon

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yeah icecream I buy mine

yeah icecream I buy mine because I want the music as well. i'm totally fine with reissuing stuff so it can get back out there. if that means re sellers cant sell it for a jacked up price *shrugs*. I mean people trade out and make copies of out of print stuff all the time so good luck unloading a box set for thousands of dollars only cuz it has backstage pass reprints..that are stickers..or a pin. reprinting limited things wont stop sales for dave's picks or box sets. cuz deadheads out there will buy any thing that's associated with the band, case in point Merl Saunders & and Jerry Garcia Band at the Vogue in Indianapolis...and people are going to that lmao. I didn't care that get shown the light had a music only version after the limited edition sold out. because holy shit the big four was out. and the only thing that makes it a "collectors item" was a book...that you can buy individually at amazon. and there are copies of the limited get shown the light sold for high prices. when you can just go purchase the music only version and then go to amazon and buy the book. it's called Cornell '77: The Music, The Myth, and the Magnificence of Grateful Dead's Concert at Barton Hall right now for 17 bucks.
February 28, 2018 - 5:04pm

#1710

icecrmcnkd

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Music, not money

I buy these releases for the music, which sounds better than the torrent copies if available, and to have it pressed on a thin film of metal.Future value never factors into the purchasing decision. I want the music. Resellers, scalpers, speculators will be pissed off if a ‘Limited Editon’ is re-released. Fans of the music will rejoice. How many people here would not subscribe to Dave’s Picks 2019 or 2020 if FW69 was remastered and released? Probably a few resellers, but not all of them. As long as I can afford it, I will keep buying these releases, Limited or unlimited.

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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

So what’s the sound quality?

Over bassified or not?

burtonh

Your comment is right on, and I know others have said it. We are so so so so so fortunate to have all of these recordings. I can't believe this is the only band who did this, but so be it, I don't think too many other bands of the 70s switched it up as much, improvised as much, or had as many nuances as the Grateful Dead. So it's truly worth it for Deadheads. I can't imagine I would want to hear the Stones doing the same set list every night

#8484 & top 10

Dave’s 25 Arrived today in NY... Woo-Hoo Top 10, always tough to nail down Hard to Handle Eyes Shakedown Bertha Music Never Stopped Dark Star Caution Other One Sugar Mags Scarlet Keep on Keepin it on ;)

10 minutes in

Sound stunning - upgrade significant. High/low balance good. Cover art is in the top 4 of the DaP series. Not a skeleton art fan, but this is gorgeous. Is this the last show Jerry played the white Travis Bean?

Fave songs are the "fake Reggae" or Funky type ones

EyesEstimated Crazy Fingers Row Jimmy Shakedown M. Half Step T. Jed Help>Slip>Frank U.S. Blues Something about those slower tempos and the GoGD that really does it for me. Other Rock bands rarely to never even try to go there. Never as successfully as the GoGD. Billy is a in-the-pocket player.

#2001 arrived in WA state, Lists

Funny to see what people don't really enjoy as well haha, the ones that come to my mind are 'Never Trust a Woman', 'Man Smart Women Smarter', and Samson and Delilah. Those are pretty much the only songs I will skip. Though I have heard some nice reggae sounding jams arounf Man Smart Women Smarter, 3-16-90 is an example. DaP 25 arrived this evening here in Washington State, for anyone wondering if they've made it this far yet.

DaP 25 - first listen

As mentioned by others, superb sound quality. Just a real treat to have these shows sound this good. One thing I’ve not heard mentioned is the incredibly dynamic Wharf Rat from this show. This has always been one of my favorites songs but this one is truly unlike any I remember. A tad shaky going back into St. Stephen but this will remain one of my favorites.

My fave Grateful Dead list from last night?....

....sweep it under the rug. I left out so many songs. Now I feel guilty. No Jack Straw? C'mon Vguy. Get it together man.

Jerry Garcia guitar history

Just something to look at... http://dozin.com/jers/guitar/history.htm

Wilfredtjones

Cool post on Jerry’s guitars!

the shipping direction makes

the shipping direction makes no sense. I live in Indiana. it shipped out from Illinois, then to TN (which makes no sense cuz TN and IL don't connect at all so it went through KY as well) then back up to Ohio. it pretty much went through every fucking state around me. instead of going straight from Illinois to Indiana. the u.s. postal service fucks me every which way everytime and doesn't bother to kiss me first....GOD DAMMNIT I HATE THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE!

#4404 in Mountain View

Alright i'm convincing myself this is the best Mississippi Uptown i've heard. Wow right out the gate. I went through the first CD, and then decided to bookend it, Mississippi Uptown followed by The Music Never Stopped. Indeed! Got that feeling that i've had at many shows, everything's gonna be alright. Pull all three CDs out, and check out the tree. Warren, there's fresh dry powder for you. Ski on and thank you for the skiing thrills. Slow Dog Noodle, I've skied the bumps like that, kinda happy lazy. Libertycaps, Nice to see your source...dynaco mk III's et al. i'm playin' through some '59 el34 Ampex monoblocs into some same-era Wharfedale SFB-3s. :-) Delivery was first quoted Wednesday next week, then Saturday but the USPS delivered it tonight! My mind was happy to drop work for this...peace to those waiting

Everything's gonna be alright....

....that is/was my safe word also when I get/got too high at shows. It works. Believe me. It works like the Dupree's from Binghamton. They tuned that song all tour and expelled its drippiness that evening in all it's glory. Wonderful! Donna's in tune. The world was alright that night.

Top 50

I guess I'll play along. Like a few others, I cheated a little by including well-known combos as one song: 1) Bird Song 2) Scarlet>Fire 3) Chinacat>Rider 4) Help>Slip>Franklins 5) Brokedown Palace 6) Estimated>Eyes 7) Here Comes Sunshine 8) Stella Blue 9) Loser 10) Jack Straw 11) Morning Dew 12) Wharf Rat 13) Brown Eyed Women 14) Bertha 15) Dark Star 16) Mountains of the Moon 17) Playing in the Band 18) Mississippi Half Step 19) Crazy Fingers 20) Truckin’ 21) The Other One 22) Terrapin 23) Easy Wind 24) Comes a Time 25) Sugaree 26) Black-Throated Wind 27) St. Stephen 28) New Speedway Boogie 29) Sugar Magnolia 30) West LA Fadeaway 31) Dire Wolf 32) U.S. Blues 33) Friend of the Devil 34) Touch of Grey 35) Ripple 36) Black Peter 37) Candyman 38) Throwin’ Stones 39) Shakedown St. 40) Cassidy 41) High Time 42) Alabama Getaway 43) Althea 44) Music Never Stopped 45) Big Railroad Blues 46) Mr. Charlie 47) Weather Report Suite 48) Two Souls in Communion 49) Lost Sailor>Saint of Circumstance 50) Dupree’s Diamond Blues

top two

"Sitting around a tank or two of nitrous oxide one day at Pacific Recording, they all donned earphones and inserted from the tank into their mouths. All sound was fed through multichannel delay, so what ever was said would come back many times." Barbed Wire Whipping Party https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvaUKdwobSg&ab_channel=thewheel73 Oh yeah Stay in the general area (area, area, area) Stay in the general area etc What's the name of his stuff? Meat, meat, gimme my meat Meat, meat, gimme my meat Meat, meat, gimme my meat etc Hello, talk Talk, talk, talk Stay in the general area The barbed wire whipping party in the razor blade forest ?Sweet five me? my fangs could unravel you , mister ?? Give me cold blood, barbed wire, naked on the table, laughing No ? is permitted There's more here than you could choke down in ten thousand years The other day I went to Mars and talked to God And he told me to tell you to hang tight and don't worry 'Cause the solution to everything is death What's Become Of The Baby Aoxomoxoa - Original Mix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6P7eev95es&ab_channel=kengorski Grateful Dead Live at the Electric Theater 4/26/69 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpzPxsPAL0U&ab_channel=Larryal-Shiva Robert Hunter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qew_8Lhg9E0&ab_channel=AlligatorWhine Phil Lesh And Friends 12/17/04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvPdI0USSPk&ab_channel=smolderingmilage Waves of violet go crashing and laughing Rainbow winged singing birds fly round the sun Sunbells rain down in a liquid profusion Mermaids on porpoises draw up the dawn What's become of the baby This cold December morning? Songbirds frozen in their flight drifting to the earth remnants of forgotten dreaming Calling... answer comes there none Go to sleep you child Dream of never ending always Panes of crystal Eyes sparkle like waterfalls lighting the polished ice caverns of Khan But where in the looking-glass fields of illusion wandered the child who was perfect as dawn? What's become of the Baby this cold December morning? Racing rhythms of the sun all the world revolves captured in the eye of Odin Allah Pray where are you now? All Mohammed's men blinded by the sparkling water Sheherazade gathering stories to tell from primal gold fantasy petals that fall But where is the child who played with the sun chimes and chased the cloud sheep to the regions of rhyme? Stranded cries the south wind Lost in the regions of lead Shackled by chains of illusion Delusions of living and dead

Binghamton has "that's IT!" moments galore....

....I bet they were really high. Pulling it all together while letting it all loose at the same time. Amazing. Sounds awesome too. Fuckin' Norman. Doing his Norman wizard magic. I tip my pipe....

Woo Hoo

It made the 3 hour drive from La Vergne in 4 hours 6 min, and is now at the local distribution facility. Just needs to make it to my local post office, onto the truck, into my mailbox, and into my hand before tomorrow night..... Calm down Kyle, your CD was never in IL, it was in TN and is now headed your way. The shipping label was generated in IL and electronically transferred to TN. Speaking of which, ABCD Enterprises is located in IL, and the shipping labels are generated in IL, coincidence......?

#7705 arrives

Good lord, that Mississippi Half Step! Back in the day I had ~600 tapes and '77 was very well represented. But looking over the tour dates now, I realize that I never had any of the shows from November. So this is my first time hearing this Binghamton gig. It's going on 11:00pm and Jack Straw is just underway. It's going to be a long and rip-roaring night! Peace, everybody...

Slow dog noodle

That’s about the only way I can do moguls these days.....my knees are getting old....Powder is so much easier. Ski on Warren.....

This show....

....is nothing like I expected, but everything I wanted it to be. Good night.

Passenger!!

Yow!! a cool slower Passenger!! Number 6444 has landed!! So cool on a Friday night after a big production day. I'm exhausted and just happy with this grate new music. So far just the first set. Maybe this has already been said, Kieth is really up in the mix, almost too much, but he is playing so good so creatively. I'm having a hard time hearing Bobby, maybe needs some EQ. I love all years/periods/keyboards and prefer complete shows although I'll still dig a cool compilation like with road trips. Hey all in deadland, enjoy!!

Day-um!

Really sweet show, great freakin’ sound.

Travis Bean

Jerry was back on Wolf not the Travis, it says in the liner notes. Thank god too, both are nice but that Wolf is something else! LOVE this show! Wharf rat.

Beth and Joe

This just came out yesterday, the whole album is stellar. In the vein of Imelda May and Etta James, but with more grease, and Joe Bonamassa's wicked guitar soloing on every song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHjD_M_0J70 \m/

Thanks Dave L... Mark...Jeffrey...Rhino

Just finished my first listen through... I was at Rochester and Binghamton (Syracuse University grad) and of course that weekend was and always will be my most memorable music event. These releases I say are produced and delivered to us with perfection intended from you guys.. I can't thank you folks enough, with much gratitude, Neil Glotzer, Visalia, California...

When In Rome . . .

"THE PINK FLOYD EXHIBITION: Their Mortal Remains" just re-opened in Rome: https://www.pinkfloydexhibition.com/ Thanks DavidD for the tasty history of What's Become of the Baby? from Aoxomoxoa to PLF. Still digesting the Barbed Wire Whipping Party hors d'oeuvre. Nice to see WBOTB? on a couple of favorites lists. Looks like my Dave's 25 will drop here in west Texas on Monday after pin-balling around the Mail Innovations maze for over a week.

Wolf on 11/6/77?

I don't have mine yet, but I am surpised at the post indicating the liner notes say Jerry played the Wolf at Binghamton. The DP 10 liner notes say he switched over for Tha Winterland show in late December.

return of Wolf

I cannot confirm the veracity of the info. here, but according to this page the return of Wolf was 9/28/77... http://www.dozin.com/jers/guitars/wolf/wolf.htm

DP 25 unopened 4 Sale

I will part with a copy of DP 25 shipped to you for 45 dollars. afperrone@liberty.edu

Just started listening....

Sounds great , great energy. It's so worth it to have these in the best quality possible. We are lucky in that respect, I appreciate the job Dave & Co. are doing! Thanks man!'77 was a great year! Was there a bad show that year? lol

Progress......

Mine departed Mail Innovations enroute to my local post office. I generally get my mail around 7 pm so hopefully it gets on the mail truck today.......Fingers crossed....

Vermont

I got a rock

top 10 w/ some singularly great versions

china>rider 9/2/80help>slip!>franklin's 10/11/77 terrapin 4/25/77 estimated>eyes 7/8/78 (w/ O1 after estimated) bertha 4/19/78 dark star '69 thru '74 playing in the band 1/15/78 uncle john's band 5/19/77 wharf rat 11/14/71 the other one 5/25/77 p.s. my DaP 25 is 'out for delivery' a day early, yay! -edit- there's no way Shakedown or Scarlet>Fire can't be on the top 10 for me, so I'll add those... shakedown 3/24/81 scarlet>fire 2/5/78

Mr. Postman

Wait a minuteMr. Postman (Please Mr. Postman look and see) Oh yeah (If there's a Dave's Pick in your bag for me) Please, please, Mr. Postman (Why's it takin' such a long time) Oh yeah (For me to hear that Band of mine) There must be some word today From Dead.Net so far away Please Mr. Postman look and see If there's a package of CD's for me I've been standin' here Waitin' Mr. Postman so patiently For just a card or just a letter Sayin' DaP25's been sent to me Mister Postman (Mister Postman look and see) Oh yeah (If there's a miracle in your bag for me) Please, please, Mr. Postman (Why's it takin' such a long time) Oh yeah So many days you passed me by See the tears standin' in my eyes You didn't stop to make me feel better By leavin' me a miracle or better Mister Postman (Mister Postman look and see) Oh yeah (If there's a letter in your bag for me) Please, please, Mr. Postman (Why's it takin' such a long time) Why don't you check it and see one more time for me???

"Ten years the waves roll the ships home from the sea"

12.27.80 a beautiful song "If I tell another what your own lips told to me, let me lay 'neath the roses, let my eyes no longer see"

Cover art

Stone-age version of Photoshop and a CD cover scan produced this: https://tinyurl.com/y8n64aco

Dave’s Picks 24 ?

My pc reads the disc’s as Dave’s picks 24 he, he, he I don’t care

9561

...In my hot little hands...that is all

Another high number, 9398

But, who cares? It's here!! :-)

129

Arrived in MT yesterday, just finishing up a first listen this afternoon. Sounds good, some cool slower tempo versions of a few songs with a nice jammy feel, great Scarlet-Fire with a great transition. The whole thing is really hitting the spot for me this afternoon.

Old school

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Daves picks new artist :)

....check out the new artist for 2018 Daves Picks :) https://www.mcdonaghillustration.com ...I love this lion ! https://static1.squarespace.com/static/595a34a4f5e2318b22723c77/595abcb…

15246

I got mine in Raleigh NC today. I have a question, as this is my first time doing the subscription. Is the bonus disk sent separately (today's delivery was only the 3 disk V25)? And is it one disc for the year, or one bonus for each of the four releases?Thanks

Re: Mr. Postman

iGrateful you definitely deserve a delivery after reworking those lyrics! Hope it reaches you soon.

"UUCowboy2014" , It'll be included with the next release

And with that extra disc, you get a another full show. 5 shows for the price of 4, pretty cool , I'll take it!

Bonus disc

The bonus disc is released with the second volume of the year. This year 11/17/71 is the Pick, with filler from 12/14/71, and the bonus disc completes 12/14. Unknown at this point which set is on which disc, but I'd predict the bonus disc is set 2. Though, if I bought a la carte, and missed out on the second set, I'd be bummed. But it always pays to subscribe!

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