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    "We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

    We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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    I liked your consideration of Pete Townsend's performance with The Dead. The comparison between the two bands reminds me a bit of the discussion we had on here a few weeks ago about whether The Dead could be considered a jazz band. I didn't think they could, but I think their approach to playing rock music was "jazz like". And I think this is what confounded Pete Townsend when he played Not Fade Away with them in 1981. Its a simple, rock n 'roll song. But the Dead slowed the tempo and jammed, as was their wont. This obviously worked in spades for them-but they took the song out of the narrow (but great) confines of what normally constitutes the best rock n' roll music. As a great rock guitarist, poor old Pete was left standing at the starting line. I think most other rock guitarists would have been, too. John Cipollina, a bit more surprisingly, also seems a bit lost to me on the New Years Eve 1978 show, when he tries to play along on the same tune. Obviously not as easy as it looked! And as I sit here waffling, the Who Live at Hull has been pushed through my letter box. It could be a bumpy night.
  • Angry Jack Straw
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    Yeah. That is pretty much what I said. But thanks for restating it so emphatically. I'm glad you like the Who.
  • dmcvt
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    the original Wall of Sound?
    Dick Clark calls it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKT0Kz5VGhw
  • boblopes
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    Thanks for The Who at Hull - the remastered full Leeds is a bit pricey for my budget. Think there's 2 or 3 more copies left at amazon after my purchase. Thin - nice snowsport reference but didn't a snowboarder win the Gold in Woman's Skiing Giant Slalom in the recent Olympics? Since I fell behind the Spring 90 anniversary listen this year and I always fall behind in my E72 attempts, I'm attempting a hybrid. I listen to a couple from one or two from one tour and then one or two from the other tour. Been an experience. Aurally the 90's shows are 3 dimmensional with contributions from all. But I do notice a huge difference in the Jerry's role in comparing the two tours. A lot of the pieces that Jerry would drive in the Europe shows are almost parcelled out to Bobby and Brent. Jerry still has the the solos, but the rest of the fill is a group effort. I still love both, but was just something I never took note of before... Loving that Hawaii JGB release and the recent RFK box. Looking forward to the box set announcement, they never cease to amaze me...
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    Thin, very well stated. One thing I want to add, is that the improvised set list versus the static set list is usually a trade off. The advantage for the Who is that they're so well rehearsed from playing the same songs every night, that there are virtually no mistakes, ever. I've seen them 30+ times and I have 50+ live recordings, and they never had an off night. Always tight, never flubbed lyrics. The only exception was technical issues with the synthesizer backing tapes on the '73 Quadrophenia tour. The Dead suffers some fallout from the improv and varied set lists. I don't mind it at all, only illustrating that there's a trade off.
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    Angry Jack: Townshend "outmatched"? No...
    Townsend wasn't outmatched by Garcia. Yes, he looked and sounded like he was trying to fit in but couldn't get in the groove - at all. That doesn't mean he was outmatched - he was just waaaay out of his comfort zone. Towshend's style of playing is to take a 2.5 minute song and pack as many car chases and explosions into it as possible.... windmills, power chords, leg-splitting jumps, with his hair on fire and a kilbasa down his pants. The Who beat the shit out of their instruments while the Dead make love to the music. Not a slam on the Who - they're amazing and in 1970-71 they were THE band that everyone, including the Dead, was chasing.... I see "Skullfu@k" as their "Who" album, recorded in Spring '71. Did Townsend look neutered with the Dead? Totally - because he's not a finesse player, and the Dead are all about a musical conversation.... playing in a circle and feeding off each other. Look at Not Fade Away - perhaps the Dead's most bombastic, power-chord song - If Pete would fit on ANY Dead song it would be that one, right? Nope! For the Dead, even NFA is still a subtle conversation with each other and the audience. \ Pete kept trying to find a spot set off an explosion at Rockpalast, only to realize that his "thing" doesn't work with the Dead - at all. Kinda like the way John Mayer admitted after joining Dead and Co that his usual blues-y thang didn't work and he'd have to adjust and re-approach, which he did masterfully. Jerry would have looked equally out of place, even silly, onstage with the Who. And Who fans would have called him "outmatched" as well. It's like comparing the gold-medal mogul skier to gold-medal Giant Slalom guy.... they're both gonna fail miserably at the other guy's game.
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    Listened to nothing but KISS from age 5 - 10, then heard Baba O'riley at my cousin's house over Christmas break, and we must have listened to it 20 times that week. That plus side 1 of Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy, and side 1 of The Kids Are Alright movie soundtrack, which has the Smothers Brothers "Roger From Oz" intro to My Generation. I was hooked. Who Are You was the first record I bought that wasn't KISS, followed closely by Meaty Beaty and Who's Next. First saw them 7/9/89, two days after first Dead show 7/7/89. Saw them about a dozen times now, most recently a year or two ago, whenever they were at MSG and Philly for the 50th bash.
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    And as we all know, Who and Zeppelin are better than the Stones and Beatles, but Pink Floyd is the greatest British band ever.But they’re all in the minor leagues when compared to Grateful Dead. My first Who show was July ‘89, a little more than a week after seeing GD at Alpine. Was in row 32 on the floor, and extensively wide-eyed. It was an awesome rock n roll show, with all the greatest hits, even Boris The Spider. Also saw the Quadrophenia tour in ‘96 and the greatest hits tour in 2000, but those didn’t compare to the raw power of the ‘89 show. Love the Isle of Wight DVD, also have the Texas ‘75, Knebworth, and Kids Are Alright DVDs. But yeah, same setlist night after night. And that’s not just The Who, but also Zep, Stones, Floyd. Floyd claimed that the setlists had to be the same to keep the choreography with the video that was being played. But when you play each song the same night after night, well, that just goes to show that you are not in the same league as GD.
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    Well I taught that weeping willow how to cry cry cry,Taught the clouds how to cover up a clear blue sky. https://archive.org/details/gd1987-04-07.140340.sbd.miller.flac2496 The Who is a great stress release.
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    Funny that you mention that show. I was going to post something about that as well. Not sure what the correct word is, but Townsend seemed outmatched. Could be the lack of familiarity with the music, booze, drugs, etc. Who knows. I think he realized that his routine was not going to work in that particular setting so he stepped to the background. From what I have read, he came away with a great deal of respect for the Dead as muscians after that outing. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate The Who musically. Just not my listening preference.
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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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25 won't arrive in Santa Cruz until Monday night, so I'm keeping myself occupied with all the Dark Stars I have from 1968. Also reading Phil Proctor's autobiography, Where's My Fortune Cookie? Paperback – December 27, 2017. If you're a Firehead this is required reading. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/138970503X/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_… Ran across this streaming link - A Banjo Lesson With Jerry Garcia? Listen to This Tape from 1964 http://tomorrowsverse.com/story/a-banjo-lesson-with-jerry-garcia-listen…
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It is 1 bonus disk for the whole year. I believe it comes with DP26. Enjoy, I just got mine today, this show is a rager!
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You may need to get in touch with Dr. Rhino about getting a replacement disc.
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3400 has arrived in Philly. It's 12:53AM in Philly I'll spin this one, one day during the week. happy One More Saturday Night.
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....I sense it. Loping Dead. I like this show a lot. It grooves so elegantly. They are lit, gooey goodness. Billy needs a light Candace!!Definitely a different vibe than Hamilton. Amazeballs that a band can switch up the mood from show to show like they do. Dumbfounding at times.
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Glad you are all getting yours.This years sub has been a righteous pain from get go, paid by pay pal, but never received a confirmation that my sub was registered. Many, many interventions from Marye, Doc Rhino and Daniel, some contradictory correspondence,finally assurance that my sub was active, was even able to check order status once, but now my order status comes up blank and no confirmation mail of sending, so once again Marye is on the job pestering Doc Rhino, I fear that even if this works out finally, it will be the same story next time round, and the next time and the..... I really am fedup with the constant snafus, site crashes when trying to order, waiting for the Anthem and next box news, if ordering next time is also a problem then Im giving up. Off the bus after 51 years?
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did you hear that just now? That point in the instrumental jam where time stopped, and you witnessed Buddha (or whomever) conducting the flow of music in real time, and you tapping your feet in unison, completely in the moment, amazed at what you are hearing? How about the lyrics in that song which just took on a much deeper meaning for you, kind of an "ah hah!" moment," because of where you are and what you are going through in your life right now? That's the Grateful Dead, my friend ;) If you are here on this board (even just lurking), and know what I'm talking about, you are a member of the Brotherhood/Sisterhood. No further bona fides necessary... All are welcome...who have eyes to see, and ears to hear. Peace, all.
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The wife just got Sirius in her car as of yesterday, and she and I spent the whole day driving around this great state of ours visiting family, listening to Grateful Dead Radio, along with others stations. Anyways, I didn't catch the Jack Straw from last night's broadcast of 5/12/80, but I was thinking of that 2nd set He's Gone when I woke up this morning. That is a hell of a performance. Here's my Top 3, which are more or less set in stone... Truckin' Playin' He's Gone Nearly every other song is tied for 4th, depending on the situation/performance/day of the week. Peace
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Not sure why I torture myself by attempting to track these thing until they hit my mailbox, just not a very patient person these days I suppose. Looks like my copy was within 20 mins of my address in Philly as of yesterday and has now apparently been sent back out to 2 hours away in Jersey City. I would love it if shipping were UPS the whole way.
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Mine is sitting about 2 miles away at the post office.It being Sunday........ We’re gonna miracle you and make a special Sunday delivery.....
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Did you ever receive a confirmation email for your subscription?If so that’s your receipt/proof of purchase. Other people have previously complained about issues with using Pay Pal.
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Spot on-that's as good a description of getting turned on by The Dead that I have read. It can happen in the unlikeliest places, during the unlikeliest songs, too. But a few never seem to fail. As I am typing, I am listening to the jam between China Cat and I Know You Rider from Newcastle 11th April 1972. One of countless brilliant versions played between 1972-1974. These two songs and the interlocking jam encompass almost everything I love about the band. The whole of this first set in Newcastle is pretty good actually-Tennessee Jed a few songs ago, was superb. And this jam, towards the end of I know You Rider..amazing!
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I don't know why its so much harder ordering cds from this site than it is from any other. I cant seem to order anything from my laptop at home. If I want anything, I have to walk into town, and use one of the computers in the library. Which is alright, but I am sure I would order more if it wasn't so difficult. Impulse buys are not an option for me-which may be a good thing. I would probably have ordered the 1989 box set one of these evenings if I could have done so from the comfort of my own home.
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Wow I can’t believe how good this is. The sound is pristine, stellar. The playing is muscular, fierce and not sloppy in the least bit. It rocks hard yet they are able to effortlessly shift the dynamics down to lay it down easy when the tunes call for it. I love DP 34 and Dap12 but this seems a bit above those in overall consistency. Is it something about stepping it up a couple notches to end a particular run? I’m really not sure. They are just so damned dialed in. I did a double take when they went from Mexicali into Me and my Uncle as if someone just pushed a hyperspace button to transport them in a flash yet right on the beat. In November I had some really annoying ordering issues that I have never previously had. Was forced to use PayPal and it finally went through. Also read a bunch of postings groaning about another 77 release and I was almost convinced that perhaps Dave keeps going back to the well too often. But hearing is believing. So glad to have this.
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No,never received the confirmation mail;that was the issue which started this whole palava, Danial said multiple times he would send one, never arrived, though at one point he said that our correspondence constituted a confirmation, and that my order was processing, I got an order number which allowed me just once to check order status, but as I said it just shows up blank these last weeks.Dave Rock noted that he has problems placing orders via laptop, I only use a pad, maybe thats the issue here. But in Marye we trust! Thanks for your concern!
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I think it’s a browser/cookies issue most of the time. Not including times when the site is overwhelmed by everyone trying to order at the same time.I’ve experienced issues where I put something in the cart and go to checkout then it says that there is nothing in my cart. But, in the upper right corner the cart symbol shows a 1 in the cart and clicking on that then moves the process forward. I think that a lot of people have experienced that and got frustrated when it said there was nothing in their cart, without seeing the 1 in the small cart icon. So, always check the little cart icon. Also try other browsers, and allowing cookies. Hope that helps. Don’t have my DaP 25 yet but I know the show smokes because I had it on cassette years ago, then on CD-R. Looking forward to the Full Norman. For this rainy Sunday I’m doing some Pink Floyd from their Boxzilla: stereo remix of Pompeii, then remastered Obscurred By Clouds, now the ‘71 offering.
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If you got an order number I would have to say that you deserve the subscription.But if your PayPal never got charged then you might have an uphill battle.
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Oh yes the payment was taken immediately!
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You absolutely are owed a subscription. Hopefully it gets straightened out this round so you don’t have any more issues during the next 3 rounds. As for Daverock’s ordering problem, he lives in the UK so his internet traffic runs on the wrong side of the internet. The computer he uses at the library has one of those Elon Musk internet inverters which gets things running on the correct side. ;)
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Im in Sweden, we changed sides in 1967! a week after I first heard about the Grateful Dead in an english pop music paper in connection with a review of Monterey and the SF sound.Sweden therefore showing immense foresight and thus avoiding the wrong side of the net, long before the net was a twinkle in somebodys eye. Spooky.
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The primary issue when new releases go on sale is the sheer volume of traffic right away. Everyone knows the good stuff will sell out so they all try to get a buy on ASAP. I know I do. And their servers can't handle the traffic, this isn't amazon after all, just some crappy little server in a back room with some stoner monitoring it, munching chips and Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. When the 2018 Dave's sub went on sale, I spent the usual first couple hours getting kicked out, frozen, re-starting etc. until finally a purchase appeared to go through via PayPal. PayPal logged the purchase but I never got a damn thing from dead.net or Warner/Atlantic. In a panic, I purchased a second subscription a day or two later for insurance, this time using my debit card. This one hit right away (initial web traffic having fallen off), and I got the confirmation quickly after. I finally sent dead.net a note asking if I had one or two purchases, days later I got confirmations for both. I only need one not being a re-seller, so they kindly canceled one and let the other stand. I was still kind of holding my breath until #8738 arrived Friday afternoon. Great listening; nearly perfect first set (I could do without, 'Passenger.')
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Dave’s Picks Volume 25 snuck in late yesterday afternoon. The cover art links copperdomebodhi and others posted are good, but if you need a higher-res, color-corrected version, here’s an option. https://www.dropbox.com/s/5j3i9osr23jg5r6/Dave%27s%2025%20SQUARE%20FINA… Great color on this one, but color-matching was crazy thanks to Tim McDonagh’s closely analogous color palette. I made scans of both CD Cover and Booklet (each is cropped slightly differently) and combined the two so that all of the artwork's included. I then extended the top and bottom to “square” the image (some of us like square format for itunes, phones, etc.) Hope you enjoy. Please pass around as needed. Hope those order snafus get sorted out fast! Hang in there Tony.
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Hey, P. Fox -- the Scarlet/Fire from this show routinely gets hammered as sub-par due to its flubs, particularly the fact that Jerry trips on the lyrics each time he opens his mouth during "Fire". Personally, it doesn't phase me (hard to find any show where a lyric or two didn't get forgotten or butchered). The overall vibe and Jerry's solos more than make up for it to my ears.
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yeah. that's kind of what i thought as well. the music was tight. it was just the lyrics that were botched. ----
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it has its moments, yes. fun, too. I just..."can't explain" ("can't explain"). no complaints, though. it just feels like they could have energized some parts of it even more, taken it farther...whatever. the Scarlet has always made me want to crawl out of my skin ("get on with it!") goodies: Half Step transition from Mexi > M&MU Duprees Passenger Dire Wolf Truckin', of course. tasty
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I have had the chance to listen about 4 times all the way through so far. I like this show quite a bit. It has some great moments and is a very solid overall show. The first set was amazing. Really like the Mississippi to start things off. The second set is great as well. Some tasty treats in there. Overall, great pick Dave! Good start to the 2018 subscription.
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I’m a little late but wanted to comment about a week ago in that there should be more clubs in school at expense of sports. While I think more math clubs would be good. ... I am finding my pre teen kids involvement in lots of sports to be teaching them very valuable life lessons about getting along with other kids, working with others, building confidence, etc. I originallySigned them up for sports cuz I love sports but the benefits they have obtained have been great ! Plus having worked in corporate America I see how valuable these inter personal skills. Just an opinion from a math geek ... I’m a cpa
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....as to why the Scarlet->Fire was flubbed? High. As. Fuck. Simple. Newsflash. The Grateful Dead did a lot of drugs....it gets so quiet during the the transition, I thought they were playing in a library. Sounds good to me....
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As are sports. As is music. That dude who was complaining about geeks somehow being maligned was way off base.
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Sound quality on this release is fantastic! Perfectly mixed levels of all the instruments. Crazy good. I agree with others you can tell Mr. Garcia partook of a few party favors between sets and the Scarlet > Fire while flubbed is absolutely drippingly psychedelic and brilliant on a very sublime level. Jerry is tuned into his guitar this entire night. So many highlights mentioned already. I will add Minglewood is on fire(!) and the drum intro into NFA is long and tribal. Lots of fun banter these last few shows of 1977. Love this one. Thanks Dave keep them coming! I am feeling '73 or '89 for #27. We shall see...
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Got mine in Denver on Friday. Listening through for the second time now. That first set doesn't blow me away on paper but its a scorcher. Love the Halfstep and Jack Straw to open the show and that transition from Mexicali to Me & My Uncle is a thing of beauty. Second set is awesome too, I dig the unique Scarlet/Fire and everything from St Stephen through to the end is top notch. GREAT SHOW!
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Was anyone questioning why the lyrics were flubbed? I thought we were all just generally acknowledging how solid the Scarlet/Fire is in spite of the flubs. Though I may have missed a post in the scroll, speed-reader that I am. But thanks for the newsflash on the copious amounts of drugs. 'Cause, you know, I would never have guessed that to be the case.
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This show is a lot of fun with a lot of very intense moments but it has quite a few sloppy moments as well. Really interesting to see how different this show is just from the night before. 11/5/77 is very solid, in my opinion, but doesn't quite reach the same peaks. I can deal with the slop though, especially when the energy level is through the roof, but the one moment that really makes me cringe is the end of TMNS...not the best way to end the set. Highlights for me are Mississippi Half-Step, Passenger, & Wharf Rat. Passenger isn't one that usually stands out for me but this is one of the more solid moments in the show. Also nice to hear the rare Dupree's Diamond Blues. Wharf Rat was just absolutely mind blowing and the St Stephen coda was really surprising.
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I have to agree this show cranks, Playin>Wheel>Playing to end first set, simply incredible! The show is full of banter, some miscues, glitches, but played Raw and energetic, isn't that why We all loved these types of Shows! This show or 6-4-78 Next!
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What was wrong with the music never stops? I thought the ending sounded great.
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hello all,I opened my volume 25, put disc 1 in and Half step skips in a few places. There are no scratches or anything? It jumps 2-5 seconds a few times. This is the only song that has the problem. I also tried playing in two different players and get the same outcome. I contacted CS, but was wondering if anyone else is having a problem? John
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I'm with you on this one Porterhouse. I hope this show was one of the recovered Bettys. We've been fortunate enough to get so many 1977 shows I feel that I don't need anymore at the moment except for this one. With any luck, this will be the next 1977 show to hit our mailbox. The Slipknot is absolutely Epic. My favorite. It's an all Jerry extravaganza. I don't know of any others where he is as loud has this one and where he goes on for as long as he does on this one. There's also a great funky Phil ending I'm sure you know toEyes of the World. The Terrapin Station is also a little different and good. It ranks very high on Heady Version.
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2/26/77 is indeed amazing. I have to check the sound quality of my copy but I think it’s pretty good if I remember correctly. May need to revisit later this week after (presumably) listening to the new Dave’s Picks a few times. While we’re at it, can we get 3/18 as well? Also one of my favorites from that year. Thin and others have mentioned 10/29 from time to time and with good reason. That might be a candidate for show of the year. I guess my point is, despite the wealth of shows released from 1977, the well won’t be dry for quite some time which makes me incredibly happy to think about. EDIT: And while I'm daydreaming, can we have 9/29 and 10/2 too?
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I'm talking about the end...where it gets sloppy. I don't know who missed the queue, but the drums just start going full force and they aren't matched up. If it doesn't bother you, rock on.
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....never thought this show was a top 5 1977 show. BUT the first set is so damn good. The transition from MB>MAMU is just jaw dropping and FOTD is better than most. The Mississippi is just insane..............The 2nd set is good but not great...until that monster Truckin' drops. The sound quality is fantastic..as for 2-26-77....yes please. Hoping for a 74 box this year........but will be happy with whatever the fates give me. peace
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Can somebody clear something up for me? The liner notes on DP 25 note that Healy has the recording “dialed in.” But the credits say the recording is by Betty. Which is it? Or is it both? If so, why isn’t Healy’s name on the credits. Am I missing something.Have yet to play, but I’ve been listening to the SB on archive.org for years. Hot show in the home town of McIntosh Labs.
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The liner notes you seem to refer to say, "Healy had the joint completely dialed in". Presumably referring to the sound in the Arena. Betty did her own recordings, which she dialed in for tape, not the room.
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