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    When our previous topic hit the 1,000-response mark, sleazy behavior by politicians was eliciting a certain amount of non-astonishment.

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    There should be a way to fund the "brave guards who patrol" directly. I bet if there was a bit of a salary involved, more local people might be inspired to patrol and help protect tigers. Or we set up a camp locally with a bunch of volunteers to do it. I guess this is risky and dangerous-but I would do it! And my kid :)********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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    I could write a lot about tigers since I have been involved on and off in tiger conservation for 15 years. 12 years ago at the Year of the Tiger conference in Dallas we were shocked that there were just 7000 left in the wild. Now the latest Year of the Tiger conference announced there are a maximum of 3500..so half have gone in a decade. The unrelenting demand for tiger products from China is undeniable and will lead to their extinction in the wild in the next 30-50 years. I despair at the selfish publicity of the ‘discovery ‘of those tigers in Bhutan. 10 years ago we made similar discoveries in SW Cambodia…tiger signs were common and sightings quite regular. Within 2 years the middle men and traders moved in and the slaughter began. Now there may be just 10 left there. All the publicity about Bhutan will kick off the same process…I wish they had just kept quiet. If you have a new idea Gonzo I am really glad because folks are running out of ideas. The best tiger conservation going on now is in Sumatra where teams of brave guards patrol tiger habitat 24/7 and finally the government has started prosecuting not just the poor people who do the poaching, but also the middle men and big shots who drive the trade. Now even the World Bank has got on the Tiger Conservation Trail, trying to mobilise governments and business to get involved...take a look at their new site http://www.globaltigerinitiative.org/ it has a lot of facts and figures. All good stuff, but the best hope at the moment is committed protection in the places where tigers hang on.
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    yup
    wagwagwagwagwagwagwagwagwag...
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    as Gonzo said, what is wrong is having a negative opinion before even knowing what Gonzo's contemplating! That is NOT OK!********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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    Thanks, pal
    As always Rene...luv ya...and I would think it's obvious that what brother Gonz is proposin' is a work in progress, not set in stone, though I do concede that ratsnkats has a right to his opinion, miscued as it may be (be it noted that that is only MY opinion, of course).
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    Hear Hear Johnman!
    Gonzo is anything but arrogant!********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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    katz'n'jammers guy --
    Think you need to read just a teenzie bit closer before you flame my idea I haven't even yet espoused. Though perhaps I was unclear in the phrasing. What I meant was I need to talk to some experts, academic and otherwise, for a couple of months and write a coupe of grant proposals that have a 75% or better shot of working before I can even BEGIN the project. If you're writing under a pseudonym, ratsnkats, care to let us in on who you are??
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    Attempting to make a difference is not arrogant, but putting down someone for trying certainly is. I'm gonna paraphrase here....all that it takes for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.
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    What arrogance!
    Do you really think you can change an ancient cultural tradition at the snap of your fingers? I agree it's not good that they take the endangered species, but sadly, there will always be a demand. I remember when Condaliza Rice stated the she was going to the Middle East and she would get it all straightened out in a matter of weeks. This feud has been going on for THOUSANDS of years, it's not going to be solved quickly or easily, and neither is the black market trading animal parts. More arrogance, anyone?
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    Don't worry Lilly,
    I'm not one to throw fairy dust. I'd be be sure to have at least 2 NGOs to monetarily and administratively oversee me. No flights of fancy. Just enough of an idea (at least) to chuck money at and have more than a reasonable chance of success with something to build upon. Sorry to be so cryptic but give it a month or two to gel and the you'll see why. In the meantime, if you have any ideas about snuffing out Tiger penis envy among the less educated oriental cultures, I'm all ears! ~ Just a saint of circumstance, Just a tiger in a trance ~
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When our previous topic hit the 1,000-response mark, sleazy behavior by politicians was eliciting a certain amount of non-astonishment.
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 10/08/2010 - 16:29

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...in this great kingdom. So many simple kindnesses between the coasts amongst neighbors. Sure, there the usual problems that everybody sees in the newspaper and has to mourn as the Death route passes from the church to the graveyard to bury the soldier. But the kindnesses of Middle Americans to each other more than make up for the bad news they only are a tiny cog of. They have bake sales to put on and basketball tournaments and none of the stuff we all struggle with has any any reality in, say, Wichita Falls, Texas or Topeka, Kansas. It feels so goof that we can go there if things start to burn on the immoral costs. In the Midwest folks were brought up right, always going to church on Sunday after the baseball game Saturday night. Middle America is truly magic, a place you wouldn't dare steal the pie cooling of the kitchen window.
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 10/11/2010 - 06:55

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Wish I could spell or flesh out a coherent idea lately. Glad for the Chileans. This might be the end.... "I'm an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill" "Drop the bob. Exterminate them all! Entitled: An Afghanistanlpytic Redux
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Tue, 10/12/2010 - 11:19

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are getting out, free at last. One by one! Hope the one poor mimer sorts out the wife/girlfriend situation, the monkeys bring them the beer they deserve, and their lives are happy ever after.********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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Submitted by Gr8fulTed on Tue, 10/12/2010 - 19:44

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The rescuer has descended into the mine and is about to load one miner into the capsule: gosh, I hope each rescue works out flawlessly. Pictures down below make it look really warm, as the miners are wearing very little clothing. All look clean, healthy and ready to move up the shaft.
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Submitted by johnman on Tue, 10/12/2010 - 19:48

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hope the shock of being rescued isn't too much for them.
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Submitted by ripple70 on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 04:11

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they are wearing some kind of eye protection gear,seven of them out so far so all going well one of the mimers isnt that keen to be rescued as both his wife and mistress are up there waiting on him lol.
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 07:51

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they've never been so happy to get shafted in their lives! Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Submitted by johnman on Wed, 10/13/2010 - 17:38

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A pamphlet published in 1916 by an outspoken advocate for Liberty, WilliamJ. H. Boetcker. "The Ten Cannots," "You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help small men by tearing down big men. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income. You cannot establish security on borrowed money. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they will not do for themselves."
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Submitted by gratefaldean on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 03:55

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There's always these (thank you George Orwell): WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH Isn't the third one the Fox News motto?
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Submitted by ripple70 on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 04:15

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of there dark hollow and strangely when sunlight hit they all became very vocal and are no longer addicted to miming.The chilean goverment are now trying this method for other forms of addiction. Gimme a little light.
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 06:33

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....what's the betting he was one of the rich, privileged and strong? It's not often the poor, downtrodden and weak that come up with that kind of stuff. Reminds me of the old joke Rich man to poor man (in patronising voice) 'Money doesn't make always make you happy, you know' Poor man to rich man 'Maybe so, but I'm prepared to take that risk!'
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 12:10

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Isn't that stuff pure, classic, Libertarianism (not up on my isms)? Doesn't matter the label, there are plenty of incidents in history where the poor HAD TO rise up and take it away from the rich or starve. Like the coal miners in Kentucky. The War Bonus Marchers. Etc., etc., etc. For me it's a given that the downtrodden will have to fight for every inch. But the thing that gets me the most are the rich man's hired guns. Yeah, they have to feed their family too, but they do the greatest disservice to the working man and in the end it is always the Pinkertons or whomever turning tail and running away that wins the day for the little guy. Surely there is a way of compromise where simply humanity is enough qualification for the least things in life (including education) while those with backbone and ideas and capital are are made to pay a greater tax that is in no way commensurate with the far greater wage. The way it is now I expect looting to break out in major cities on a vast scale within 5 years with banks making up their own foreclosure papers and judges (who ought to be jailed for 180 days for each instance) signing those bloody papers.
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Submitted by johnman on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 13:04

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yet there are those that want to be handed everything, rather than earn it, those that are not willing to save, but live beyond their means, those that look at someone who has worked hard for everything they have, and say "hey that's mine, you must have stolen it". The list I posted is NOT all inclusive. In turn I say, if you have more than you need, share with those that don't, not because some law says you must, but because it's the right thing to do. If someone needs help, give it freely. If someone knows not how, teach them. If someone absolutely CAN'T do for themselves help them because that could be you. If people work for you, pay them a decent wage and don't turn them away because they may be "too old" or are handicapped. It all boils down to common decency. And if someone DOES help you be sure to be thankful and help others when you can.
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Submitted by johnman on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 13:26

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some of them are politicians. I don't have a pot to piss in, but I share what I have. If the Government wants me to give more, maybe the legislature could take a cut in pay first, they sure as hell can afford it.
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 16:25

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...and hope it come true. In the meantime I'll study Gandhi and Saul Alinsky and Jerry Ruben and many other nonviolent radicals for a way toward change. My main point was: Why can't we have a dividing line between $20,000 and $20,000,000 for the slackers and the talented? I mean, it's almost that way now you just can't call it that -- you might be -- gasp, labled... *** A SOCIALIST *** (Gor forbid!)
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Submitted by ripple70 on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 04:16

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the common decency thing helping others and sharing is the way i live my life some times peoples take advantage but its good for my karma and i sleep well at night
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 12:56

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...except I yet to see it in the microcosm up here in Vt, (not that you can't anywhere else like Tacoma) where 18 year old crackheads try really hard to get knocked up so they can get a an AFDC payment, food stamps and housing assistance (among many other programs) that go to wed and unwed mothers. It's an unbelievable welfare culture, all the more so in a town that is the county seat and jail facility where a revolving door exists. I do support feeding one baby who has none to eat among 1000 who have enough. It's just the sight of the mother pulling the stroller up to the convenience store to buy a pack of cigarettes that gets to me. What would Jesus say? Never mind Buddha -- it is such a luxury we have in our society that we are about to lose and find in an avalanche of heartbreak hurtling down our heartstrings. It coming, make no mistake.
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 05:10

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To all those witty conversations with those like-minded and the talk that was teasured in that it made me think, thank you everybody. I'm moving on (really), but think I'll stop by here again every now and then (no cause).. Thanks a million everybody!!! ~ I heard some say "better run away" Others say "better stand still"
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Submitted by Gr8fulTed on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 07:09

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I think I'm enjoying the ride! Be good Gonzo as you boogie along the speedway of life. Take along some Neil Young and Frank Zappa tunes and say "HI" when you can, revealing where you've been!
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Submitted by johnman on Sun, 10/17/2010 - 13:28

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hope my wiseass hasn't contributed to your leaving us, please come back soon!!!
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Submitted by ripple70 on Mon, 10/18/2010 - 04:09

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its been grate reading your posts and sharing etc come back soon be well...........
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Mon, 10/18/2010 - 06:50

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oh nooooooooo Gonzo! We need you here for your fascinating topics and insights. Hope you come back from time to time, and have a good life journey in the meantime. ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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Submitted by marye on Mon, 10/18/2010 - 11:06

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come back soon, the place won't be the same without you!
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Mon, 10/18/2010 - 21:53

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Our Geeky McSquare delivered a 4lb10oz baby girl yesterday! Mother and baby are doing OK, and I saw the 1st photo on FB. Gorgeous little thing!! Baby McSquare is still unnamed, as far as I know. Wish Mama and Baby all the best in the world.********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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Submitted by Canyon Critter on Tue, 10/19/2010 - 00:28

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Why can't we just name it Baby McSqaure? Sweet...kind vibes and loving to Ms. McSqaure...Love you darlin"♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥ Twirly Banner
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Submitted by ripple70 on Tue, 10/19/2010 - 04:05

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to the world baby mcsquare and much love to ya geeky
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Submitted by gratefaldean on Tue, 10/19/2010 - 04:10

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I go away for a few days, come back and Gonzo's gone? Say it ain't so!!!
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Submitted by ripple70 on Tue, 10/19/2010 - 04:13

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gratefaldean sure he will be back soon hope you had a nice few days away.
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Submitted by Gr8fulTed on Tue, 10/19/2010 - 06:56

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The Giants are in the playoffs! Good luck playing an excellent Phillies team: wish I could be there & feel the home crowd energy ...Last time the Giants won the World Series ? ..... over the Cleveland Indians in 1954. SF didn't quite make it, in 1989, over the A's.... The 49'rs finally won a game, over the rowdy Raiders, no less!
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Submitted by marye on Tue, 10/19/2010 - 09:53

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to the Geeky family!
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Submitted by ripple70 on Wed, 10/20/2010 - 04:39

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is not relevant to this thread or news to anyone but the amount of spam we are getting in our forums is really getting me down im trying desperatly to ignore them but come give us a break we are hippies we dont want replica watches and i personally do not need a prom dress could you all please go away and leave us in peace.
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Submitted by johnman on Wed, 10/20/2010 - 05:32

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marye works hard trying to delete this knuckahaids , ripple....but they are bound to slip through. Not much we can really do about it, bro......
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Submitted by Gr8fulTed on Wed, 10/20/2010 - 06:15

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Quite a few spammer posts, starting at > NEW East Coast Furthur Shows Announced offering deals on Prom dresses. Isn't it a bit early in the school year to look for a dress? Hey, how about those Giants, and Rangers!!?
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Wed, 10/20/2010 - 07:14

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I want one! :-)********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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Submitted by johnman on Wed, 10/20/2010 - 10:09

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Will there be cookies provided for spectators?....Badger, can I sleep on your lawn?
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Wed, 10/20/2010 - 10:20

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if you mean that pile of rocks with a few weeds sticking out ..sure jm feel free. But you might prefer the guest room :-)
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Submitted by marye on Wed, 10/20/2010 - 10:50

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off to smite the prom queens.
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Submitted by TigerLilly on Wed, 10/20/2010 - 11:03

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maybe he'd like that CB! to float on a rubber raft in your pond.********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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Submitted by marye on Wed, 10/20/2010 - 11:44

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we have a finalist... Going through and nuking the hordes who arrived since I called it a night last night, I come across one who's apparently in Nottingham in the UK, and in the business of promoting local establishments that provide facials. That's the theory anyway. What makes me doubtful that he will succeed in this endeavor is that he chose the screen name... facialsnott which I just don't see as calculated to drive beauty-seeking hordes to his clients.
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Submitted by johnman on Wed, 10/20/2010 - 12:58

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heeheeee!!......facialsnott.....oh dear....
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Submitted by ripple70 on Thu, 10/21/2010 - 04:05

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facialsnott is providing a service to permantly remove facialsnott
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Submitted by ripple70 on Thu, 10/21/2010 - 04:17

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anyone allowed to enter this tour de france if so i am there,and do you supply the rubber rafts cb?
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Submitted by Gr8fulTed on Thu, 10/21/2010 - 07:22

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Interesting route, CB: Whadya think: travel with a tent and set up shop in Saint Flour, leap-frogging down thru the Pyrenees and up to St Paul-Trois-Chateux? Starting up in the NW corner is a different twist (Normandy?)I'll have to begin studying mode of transportation choices. Wonder if Lance and Alberto will be racing?
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Submitted by GRTUD on Fri, 10/22/2010 - 15:53

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I'd invite everyone to the rally next week in DC but I'll be on a Phishing trip that weekend. I don't think I'd be qualified for the 1st version (Sanity) in any event. I'm still pissed at Jon Stewart for his remarks about Phil's underwear, blotter acid and the Blues for Allah tour anyway - hahahaha! I'd make a darn fine addition to Mr. Colbert's army of un-dead (Fear) though. Perhaps I could bi-locate... this one time? "We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear—fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, fear of getting down-sized or fired because of the plunging economy, fear of getting evicted for bad debts or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer." ~ Hunter S. Thompson