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  • #91
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    I don't really recall
    that any one particular thing happened, but people sure had a lot of arcane theories about what they should be doing at any given moment. My vague recollection is that the actual convergence was closer to the Park City show than Telluride, but that may be an error. In the interim between those shows, I think.
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    So, what happened
    at the harmonica convention (as a friend of mine called it) back in 87 at Telluride? Did everybody hold their breath and turn blue? I could tell a story about the supposed harmonic convergence but it wouldn't have anything to do with the Grateful Dead...
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    that Ed is a new fan, but a lot of the Furthur audience is. A growing number of that audience wasn't born when Jerry passed.
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    yeah well...
    having survived the highly overhyped Harmonica Virgins (aka The Harmonic Convergence), I'm not so sure about the cosmology, but I'm kinda glad there are new fans coming along making an impassioned and closely reasoned case for the importance of Furthur on their own merits. I mean, for a while in my early days there I preferred the Jerry Band to the Dead, too. There are no right and wrong answers here... Also, I don't know about you, but I never saw Jerry without knowing how fleeting this was and how lucky we were (not that this was necessarily topmost in one's mind while getting soaked and trampled in the rain, but you get the drift), and I think the new Furthur crowd probably has some of the same thing going on, even though they've got a lot more options in the current festival/jamband/etc. scene.
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    Hi Ed --I just finished reading your piece over morning coffee so this is off the top of my head without much thinking. I liked your piece. It is well written and is pretty thorough in it's treatment of comparing two runs of similar length by two different bands playing much the same material. I really liked the analogy of the copy of Dionysus' followers (dancing maened) made by the Romans even as I disagreed with it's import --that Furthur was as much of historical significance as the Grateful Dead. In this respect the two cannot be compared. Furthur will never have any of it's performances in the National Archive. Nobody (but you) is intimating they are good enough to have an exhibit in any museum, much less have their own museum (The archive at UCSC). The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in Cleveland would be the obvious place to honor Furthur and I don't think they're ever going to do it. Your summation at the end is the weakness of the entire piece. You don't really tie it all together and declare your finding. Were they comparable, not comparable or does the whole concept of comparing these two entities have any merit at all? As with all of these types of articles about the Grateful Dead it is easy for me to pick out the inaccuracies in fact about the Grateful Dead's historical performances. The Grateful Dead did Jack Straw in the second set on a handful of occasions, The Grateful Dead played LTGTR from 1989 to 1994 something like 30 times. The Grateful Dead opened with Space on 10/31/85 into Werewolves of London. I have been looking/calling for analysis of Furthur performances and I am grateful for yours. Especially your counting of the beats to measure tempo. There is definitely a slow-down there. They also speed up on a couple of tunes like Casey Jones and Cosmic Charlie. I do think you miss the main point when comparing Jerry and JK. I can't belabor the point here in as I've made it clear in other threads. I thought the most interesting point in the whole article is that Jerry thought 2012 was a special year. And Furthur will be playing on the evening of the transformation/cataclysm. That is something I have been saying for years. I think many of us flashed on that at one time or another between 1965 and 1995. We just didn't see it would be with Bob & Phil carrying the torch into that dark and stormy night... Well, maybe not necessarily "dark and stormy", but an appropriate ritual for a couple of aging warlocks!
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    Furthur's Beacon Run vs the Dead's MSG Run
    I just posted an analysis of Furthur's 8-night run at the Beacon this past April to the Grateful Dead's 9-night run at Madison Square Garden in 1991 on my blog: http://rockandrollnerd.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/the-boys-take-manhattan… I would love to get your feedback. Thanks! -Ed
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    HAPPY FATHER'S DAY JERRYAND TO ALL FATHER'S HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE- ALL OVER THE WORLD! ----------------------------------(----@
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    "The constant conflict in the band was, "Jerry, we're going on the road again." And he would say, "More money, man? Really, what for?" He had no financial incentive to go on the road with the Dead. The Jerry Garcia Band was selling out venues that the Dead had previously sold out. His artwork and ties were earning him money. And he had royalties from Cherry Garcia ice cream. He could have stayed home, made music, and painted. He had to ask himself, "What am I doing here with people who think I'm God, who are thirty years younger than me, who worship me but don't know me?" Jerry talked about it with Laird Grant, who was the Dead's first roadie: "This scares me," Jerry said. "I don't want this. It's too much weight." Ahhhhh Jerry, thanks so much for all the good times. The more you do for others...
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    Garcia Interview On Altamont
    I think it was on one of those Rock History documentaries and the topic was Altamont. Jerry was giving insights on it, and I remember one of the things he said was "the air was particulating." I did read a quote where Jerry likened Altamont to "a day in hell." If anyone knows the documentary I am talking about I would like to know. I do remember that Altamont was presented as the end of the 60's.
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    Is that really you? It's been a long time since I saw you here...welcome back!
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Submitted by joeincanada on Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:56

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Yes, i did notice the new date of Dec 28 - Since i did not want to pay the crazy shipping charge - I pre-ordered mine from Amazon.ca and they list it now being released for June 2013. I don't know if the Jerry site and Amazon have the same release date?
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Submitted by segan63 on Wed, 11/21/2012 - 07:33

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I I called the MusicToday people on the customer service line regarding the release. They said that the Garcia people moved the release date back and that it had nothing to do with them...Hmm...
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Submitted by segan63 on Wed, 11/21/2012 - 07:33

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I I called the MusicToday people on the customer service line regarding the release. They said that the Garcia people moved the release date back and that it had nothing to do with them...Hmm...
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Submitted by gratefaldean on Wed, 11/21/2012 - 07:50

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Yeah, kind of annoying not to have received a notification of the changed date, especially as our credit cards have already been charged.
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Submitted by Hackmartian on Wed, 01/15/2014 - 18:38

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I've been working on the Garcia/Weir & Wasserman "deluxe box" for a few months now and proud to say I am finally holding the first finished copy in my hands. More accurately, it's actually now hanging on my wall. Proud to have been involved. Don't know how many dead.net folks ordered them, but I think you'll dig it when it shows up!
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 01/16/2014 - 08:32

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say more!
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Submitted by sisterearth on Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:01

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For a real good time!
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Submitted by hockey_john on Sat, 08/09/2014 - 06:03

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Your music is always with us , sad to have lost you yet forever young. Threw music. These are the good old days
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Submitted by santa rosa 70 on Fri, 02/27/2015 - 21:58

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This Taper's.....week of 2/27/2015 (for sake of immortals everywhere) the mid-section of this is exquisite, mindful, alluring. The more I hear the better it gets. Thanks to whoever preserved this.
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Submitted by truckineric on Sat, 04/18/2015 - 21:43

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Jerry is my favorite musician.
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Submitted by ridgefieldplayhouse1 on Wed, 05/13/2015 - 09:50

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Hey Jerry Garcia fans!If any of you live in the Fairfield County area of Connecticut (or are willing to make a longer trip), a tribute band called 'The Garcia Project' will be coming to the Ridgefield Playhouse on 06/27/15 at 8pm! The show will also feature special guest, 'Acoustically Speaking'. The Playhouse is located at 80 East Ridge Road in Ridgefield, CT, and tickets are $20. The show will definitely be worthwhile for any fans of Jerry Garcia, the Grateful Dead, or just good music in general, so try and come along - hope to see you there! http://www.ridgefieldplayhouse.org/event/garcia-project
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Submitted by ridgefieldplayhouse1 on Thu, 06/18/2015 - 08:56

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Attention Dead Heads! Don't miss The Fare Thee Well: Celebrating 50 Years of Grateful Dead at The Ridgefield Playhouse live in HD on July 3rd at 8:00pm. Few bands in the history of music have embodied community and transported free-spirited music to the masses, like Grateful Dead. Furthermore, no fan base bears resemblance to the determined and, above all, dedicated DeadHeads. Check out our website for more information http://ridgefieldplayhouse.org/event/fare-thee-well-celebrating-50-year…
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Submitted by grateful_1973 on Sun, 08/02/2015 - 14:35

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HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY JERRY!!!!!!
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Submitted by jaimeyperham on Mon, 08/03/2015 - 14:15

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Miss you Jerry during the Days Between...
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Submitted by purpleerik69 on Tue, 08/04/2015 - 10:28

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....that`s what Jerry ist , stilldid you get healed ?....everytime i`m high on his voice and guitar-melodies....
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Submitted by Roczilla on Fri, 03/11/2016 - 00:03

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I remember back in the early eighties, catching Jerry and Bobby on the David Lettermen Show. They played a couple of tunes, which one of them was "Friend of the Devil".Then David was interviewing Jerry, and asked Him why He had the nickname Captain Trips! Jerry immediately replied well it certainly fits or pretty much close to that response.I thought that to be very amusing at that time and never forgot that particular segment.
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Submitted by guit30 on Fri, 05/27/2016 - 00:27

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My favorites were The Alligator, a Strat that he played in 71,72. My other 2 are the Travis Bean guitar that He played in 76 and a lot of 77. And The Wolf was probably my favorite , He played it alot in the 70s.
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Submitted by grateful_1973 on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 21:23

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HAPPY Birthday Day Jerry !!! Love ya man!!!
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Submitted by mona on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 18:26

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Some cool post from your fans:Your NO#1 fan Dawn Gaudio, He sang in the cracked and reedy voice that made him sometimes sound on the verge of tears. His idea of stagecraft was to stand stock-still and utter not a word to the delirious multitudes who adored him. And yet he was a riveting figure onstage, a benevolent Buddha whose face beamed with merriment and sometimes sorrow as crystalline notes floated and soared and burst from the custom-made guitar that he seemed to play not with his hands, but his heart. "For me," Garcia once said about the music he performed for over 30 years as leader of the Grateful Dead, "it's always emotional." "Grateful words from Ron Yates. (~);-) "He had the unique ability get out of his own way, to some how channel the collective energy of the audience and turn it into such beautiful music, which would drive the audience into creating the energy that he would...and on and on, it was a dynamo Definition: DYNAMO A dynamo is an electrical generator that produces direct current with the use of a commutator. He was the communicator/commutator and he knew that the music played the band...and the band, were like a shoal of fish, like a flock of birds, like a swarm of bees and he would play with them, around them, through them, it was magic and the ones who really took that journey with him...they know what I'm talking about and they don't need to be told to 'shut up and dance' they just did....and MAN was it fun and beautiful and BOY do we miss HIM!!?"
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Submitted by truckineric on Fri, 08/05/2016 - 16:19

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Today is the 27th anniversary of my first show. I feel proud to celebrate it and Jerry in the Days Between. Right in the middle!
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Submitted by Gr8fulTed on Tue, 08/09/2016 - 05:53

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I was pitching baseballs to 5 kids on a ball diamond in Ely, MN when a guy drove by in a pick-up, and yelled out the window, "Hey, Jerry died..." 21 years later, we all miss him dearly. R.I.P. Jerry Today's Grateful Dead history feature on SiriusXM is from 9/3/72 (He's Gone > The Other One) ironically my 1st show! How about that?!
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Submitted by marye on Tue, 08/09/2016 - 10:13

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so I didn't go in to the office, but as soon as I started the car, they were playing sad Dead tunes on the radio, and the news was not far behind. After giving it some thought, I decided to drive over to the peninsula anyway, only to arrive at my lunch date's office to find that he was not there, because his wife was giving birth to their latest kid.
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Submitted by _ on Tue, 08/09/2016 - 12:08

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I was working as a shrink at an area hospital, 10:20am est, a hippie chick co worker of mine got on the elevator with me, she simply said....Jerry's dead, we didnt speak further. She got out on her floor, me on mine...was in shock all day, saw Ratdog at Shea's Buffalo Theatre that night....somber to say the least....was so pissed that Bobby would play, angry at myself for going.... the He's Gone was special though....I'm glad I went... I miss Jerry!!!! The music never stops!!!!!!!!
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Submitted by _ on Tue, 08/09/2016 - 12:09

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Still miss Jerry.... sorry was a double post...
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Submitted by Ozark Matt on Thu, 08/11/2016 - 08:21

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originally posted at sunshinedaydreamers.com by Ozark Matt http://sunshinedaydreamers.com/jerry-garcia-john-mayer-red-gibson-sg-gu… –photo by Jim Laverty Jerry Garcia playing his red Gibson SG with partially obscured American flag sticker during an outdoor concert in the quadrangle of Washington University Saint Louis on April 17, 1969. Wearing the away jersey of the Montreal Canadians sans front logo, Jerry played songs like ‘Morning Dew’ to a crowd of college kids on the same guitar that laid down the classic album ‘Live Dead’. Gibson originally chose the SG model (solid guitar) to represent Les Paul before he rejected the style for his iconic namesake as both guitars quickly solidified their position in Rock history. The same night the Grateful Dead played Washington University Saint Louis in the spring of 1969 and Jerry chose to wear the Montreal Canadians red away hockey jersey, the Montreal Canadians were playing the Boston Bruins in the Stanley Cup Playoffs; a Stanley Cup Playoff post season they would eventually win. Did Jerry magic aide Les Habs in hoisting Lord Stanley’s appointed trophy of the NHL’s annual champions? Maybe, except that night the Canadians lost at the Garden 5 – 0, but they went on to, strangely enough, sweep the St. Louis Blues and finish their winning season in the Blue Note’s old barn and once great rock venue The Arena two weeks later. deadwustlquad41769 The photograph Jim Laverty captured of Jerry playing the red Gibson SG, a guitar he often played from 1968 through 1970 (including Woodstock), is notable in its candor and proximity of subject. This particular image shows Jerry in a buoyant moment on-stage at a college where the R.O.T.C. building was occupied and eventually burned to the ground as Nixon began implementing his “secret” solution to Vietnam by dropping more bombs on neighboring Cambodia than all the ordinance used on Germany in the last war that mattered. He seems quite at home playing in a hockey jersey during turbulent times, times needing music and bands like the Grateful Dead. deadcompany2016indiana115 –photo by Ozark Matt John Mayer playing his red 2013 issue ‘1961 Les Paul Tribute’ Gibson SG during ‘St. Stephen’ in Noblesville, Indiana at the famed outdoor amphitheater Klipsch Music Center on June 17, 2016. Mayer played his red Gibson SG one song the entire tour. John Mayer’s two primary guitars on tour are his golden PRS Super Eagle, usually reserved for first set and encore performances, and his brilliant Blue Eagle by PRS, played during Dead & Company’s second set portions of their live shows, but for one song the entire tour, in a gesture to even further enhance the performance of St. Stephen, he chose an iconic guitar outside of his regular Dead & Company instrument lineup. Made of mahogany with a fret-board of rosewood, the guitar cut through the summer evening air like a sonic laser as the crowd’s energy peaked. deadcompany2016indiana118 -photo by Ozark Matt The high-gloss Heritage Cherry finish with hand sprayed nitro-cellulose beamed in the glow of rock concert lights as the Tune-o-matic bridge, Sideways Vibrato, and vintage style tuners with pearloid buttons popped and sparkled in celebration of finally contributing onstage. A red electric guitar was a unicorn caught wild on summer tour, frozen forever in radiant time. videos highlighting Jerry’s Red Gibson SG -Ozark Matt
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Submitted by mona on Fri, 08/12/2016 - 18:08

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Almost too shy to love him. He was shy, real. That's why we loved him. He said that the audience was like a flower. All shy with heads down. A while after stranger met stranger our heads would relax and start to raise up smiling like a flower blooming. Still missing the man. <3
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Submitted by marye on Sun, 08/14/2016 - 08:10

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If you're going, and that would be a good thing, the organizers have sent out a bulletin that BART is doing various repairs that will cause Balboa Park, Glen Park and Daly City stations to be closed today. So while normally it would be a great option to take BART, today not so much. Check the Jerry Day site for more. (Jerryday.org)
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Submitted by rinoswamp on Fri, 04/27/2018 - 17:04

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I never got to see Jerry Garcia. He passed away when I first started getting into the Dead. :(
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Submitted by mkav on Sat, 05/12/2018 - 21:22

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Garcia was a genius. That is no exaggeration...thank goodnesss/God/god for digital media so that all can appreciate. listening to legion of mary 5/21/75...my first immersion in all things dead was about a month earlier in D.C. I almost didn't go: $6 was a tall order for a college kid back then; didn't think I'd like RnR with a saxophone; was just getting into the dead, but wasn't sure about this "offshoot". Well, I went. Unbelievable, I guess you could say it changed everything.
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Submitted by porfido on Tue, 07/31/2018 - 02:39

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anyone knows the wereabouts of jg guitars ?i bought a 69 sg in sf, back in the 80's and looks the same as the live dead one same scratches.. please give some more info as the guitar is now in someone else hands and would like to make an offer to get it back
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Submitted by porfido on Tue, 07/31/2018 - 02:41

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anyone knows the wereabouts of jg guitars ?i bought a 69 sg in sf, back in the 80's and looks the same as the live dead one same scratches.. please give some more info as the guitar is now in someone else hands and would like to make an offer to get it back
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Submitted by TrundleOn on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 09:33

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I just saw that the Grateful Dead albums are being marketed alongside the cover band, Dead & Co. God knows I wouldn’t be caught dead buying one of the latter releases. John Mayer. Great talent and professional Hollywood egotist....meh. But the point is: Dead & Co is not a real band. It’s a cover band. No new songs. So what does this mean?
Y’all can listen and have fun. Not me. I’m a loyal Grateful Dead head.

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Submitted by PapaJ on Wed, 05/12/2021 - 14:39

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Ditto, I've never gone to a post-Jerry show. Well, I think I stumbled onto a Phil & Friends set when they were playing at Summer Stage in NYC, and sitting out on the grass and just listening was great (it was VERY surreal hearing that live sound from far off as I walked through the park - the pulse did quicken!) But never had any desire to seek those bands out. Although if it keeps the music alive for other folks I can appreciate that. Circles Around the Sun might be the closest I'll get. I dig that first album of theirs, haven't heard the 2nd.