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    The unexpected return of the masters of the Grateful Dead's triumphant show at the Albuquerque Civic Auditorium, November 17, 1971, yields great rewards. The Dead came in HOT for their first New Mexico show. Aided by clarity and precision and abetted by confidence and focus, they finessed old standards with definitive takes. With Keith now blending in seamlessly on keys, the first set offered up a triple shot of electric Blues, an exceptional "You Win Again," and a stellar "One More Saturday Night" to wrap things up. And the second set, well, it might just be unlike any you've ever heard. Archivist David Lemieux urges you to turn it up and do it loudly. We won't dare spoil all the surprises, but pay special attention to the rippin' "Sugar Magnolia," the aggressively monstrous "The Other One," and the highly-danceable "Not Fade>GDTRFB>Not Fade." Rounding out the 3CDs, you'll find selections from Pigpen's return tour at Ann Arbor, MI, 12/14/71. Subscribers will get nearly all of the complete show as this year's bonus disc.

    As always, Dave's Picks Volume 26 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the original analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman and is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    Hate to rip open the wound but have to weigh in on this. The Who to me is exponentially better than the Doors. It’s not even close. The doors have some good songs ... yes. but most songs I find them generally to be monotonous after the first minute or two. In terms of best super group. I always liked The Who better than zeppelin or stones. But to me, In terms of talent and diversity, the Beatles are the best in a league of their own. Who, zeppelin stones are all a level below. Well, Dylan would be there too with Beatles but he isn’t a “band” per se. But the dead is my favorite and always has been for reasons stated. Though One thing the dead has done that no one else has (that I know). They spawned a unique sub-culture via the dead heads. Yes most bands have a “following” but nothing like the dead and deadheads. In addition, in my opinion the started the jam band genre. And from that they could be next to only Dylan in terms of influence on later generations of music (talking only rock and roll of course). Finally, when u factor in their approach to things like random set lists, giving away their music via taping section, mail order for ticket sales etc .... there is nothing like the dead.
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    ... More nitrous! https://archive.org/details/gd1982-04-19.mtx.tobin.89389.flac24/gd1982-… Happy Thursday from Baltimore, DeadLand Peace PS - It's a killer show ta'boot (for those who have never heard it before...)
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    Attn: KeithFan2112- Re: 8/24 (and 8/23/71)
    KeithFan2112, this is gonna be a lot as I just recently looked into this question (about a month ago) when I was listening to 8/23/71 on archive.org. Here's my review of the show, then further down, what I gathered about the lists for the two nights, 8/23 and 8/24: -- Reviewer: mcgrupp216 - March 16, 2018 Subject: su71 Chicago This is the next available Chicago show after the slate of available 69s: 25-26 April and 4-5 July. I couldn't find audio for 31-1 January/February and can't find audio for the one 1970 Chicago show, played on Black Friday, 27 November. What a difference a couple years in GD history makes, wow! Some confusion on dates and lists, but this show and setlist is indeed 8/23/71. (It is not 8/24, as I've occasionally seen it listed as, which is featured, entire, on Dick's Picks Vol. 35, together with 8/7 from San Diego.) Much of the show is featured on the Summer '71 Road Trips Vol. 1 No. 3, Disc 2, which includes (from set 1) China->Rider and Sugaree and (from set 2) Truckin', Cryptical->drums->o1->me and my uncle->o1->cryprical->wharf rat-, and sugar magnolia. (Disc 1, for those keeping track, features material from New Haven, 7/31, and the "bonus" 3rd disc is from Hollywood CA and San Pedro, respectively played on 8/6 and 8/4.) This show is fantastic. There's of course some bitter irony -- Dylan M. alludes to this -- "the boys" sound so fresh and alive during this show and the summer of '71, at precisely the time Pig Pen's regular standing in the band was being phased out. He would finish out the tour (he's there on 8/24 and 8/26), take a four-month hiatus, returning in December 1971 until June '72, after which he officially retired (last show, 6/17). So the next night, 8/24, would be his final Chicago show. He led vocals on strong versions of It Hurts Me Too, Empty Pages, Big Boss Man, and Good Lovin' and on 8/23 he led on Mr. Charlie, Next Time You See Me, and Big Boss Man. It's nice to hear him backing up on NFA, too. Back to the music: Phil is popping off on lead-bass all show and most of these songs absolutely bounce. 8/24/71 is also fantastic, must-listen '71 dead. I can't find a copy in the archive, but fortunately it's widely available and featured, entire, on Dick's Picks Vol. 35. Show highlights include song debuts of Brown Eyed Women (neat, different, early pilot version) and Empty Pages (new, unfortunately little played Pig Pen tune, would only be played one more time a couple nights later), the high-energy NFA->GDTRFB->NFA medley, and the nearly 12-minute Good Lovin' to close. Four stars for what we get from 8/24 as the "salvageable" parts lack any deep jams. 5 stars for the evening prior, I'd say perhaps on the strength of the night's cryptical suite ending with wharf rat, alone. -- The following setlist from archive.org is confirmed by some discussion I found on "Missing 1970 Shows," a blog entry from the following link: http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2009/08/missing-1970-shows.html. Wrote Light Into Ashes, 19 June 2013: " Per David Lemieux, this is the complete 8/23/71 setlist (* were released) - Set 1 Big RR Blues, Playing In The Band, Mr. Charlie, Sugaree*, El Paso, Next Time You See Me, Bertha, Me and Bobby McGee, Cumberland Blues, Big Boss Man, Loser, Promised Land, China>Rider*, Casey Jones Set 2 Truckin'*, Bird Song, Cryptical>Drums>Other One>Me and My Uncle>Other One>Cryptical>Wharf Rat*, Deal, Brokedown Palace, Sugar Magnolia*, NFA>GDTRFB>NFA>Johnny B. Goode " Finally, as for 8/24, here's more from that blog entry discussion: " And this is the released part of 8/24/71 (according to Lemieux, "all that was salvageable") - Uncle John's Band, Playing In The Band, Loser, Hurts Me Too, Cumberland Blues, Empty Pages, BIODTL, Brown Eyed Women, St Stephen > Not Fade Away > GDTRFB > NFA, Me and Bobby McGee, Big Boss Man, Brokedown Palace, Good Lovin' (The rest of the setlist is not known for sure, but probably includes some of the songs on the "8/23/71" deadbase setlist.) " Hope that helps! PS: btw, if Light Into Ashes (or anyone else) is reading, you must get back in the archive.org. You mentioned there's only incomplete AUD recordings of 8/23 and that a SBD doesn't seem likely to ever circulate. My review is of a really excellent Charlie Miller transfer, uploaded by Matthew Vernon on 20 October 2013. Must-listen!
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    Anyone notice the recently released reissue of the Cornell '77 vinyl? I find it curious that none of the descriptions I read mention it being previously released as a limited edition set. I haven't seen it offered here, and I find it interesting the fact it was originally marketed as a limited release and any explanation for a re-release seems to be swept under a magic carpet. It also leads me to consider the implications. Should I not be in any hurry to grab the Fillmore West RSD vinyl on Saturday because it will be reissued in a few months? I feel slightly duped, and not because I want to have something few others can have. I feel duped because limited edition offerings are strong marketing manipulations to create a sense of urgency. I bite, and I bit, and now it's like, "hey guy, why the hurry? we'll press thousands more after the initial race." All that aside, I am happy that those who did not get the vinyl on the first round will be able to grab a copy if they want. This release sounds great on wax. Update: I did a little more research and confirmed one difference I already suspected. The initial release was 180g vinyl, and the reissue is 140g. The initial is numbered, so I also suspect there may be some difference in the packaging.
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    I have just had a look an amazon.co.uk-I hadn't thought of looking on there for Deadbase. But its still costs a small fortune. £263.00-thats 370.00 dollars. I haven't got a kindle machine, so that's that for the time being. Amen about the tapes. They have certainly prolonged my interest. And great though so many rock bands were and are, I have yet to come across one that played such varied shows of such high quality for such a long period of time. Due to my lack of skills and equipment, I don't listen to shows on the archive-but I've still got enough shows on cd to keep me going till the end of my life-I am quite old, mind you. Vinyl seems to have got me in its grip this year. That Shrine 67 show-wow! So, looking forward to the 1969 recording that should be coming our way soon.
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The unexpected return of the masters of the Grateful Dead's triumphant show at the Albuquerque Civic Auditorium, November 17, 1971, yields great rewards. The Dead came in HOT for their first New Mexico show. Aided by clarity and precision and abetted by confidence and focus, they finessed old standards with definitive takes. With Keith now blending in seamlessly on keys, the first set offered up a triple shot of electric Blues, an exceptional "You Win Again," and a stellar "One More Saturday Night" to wrap things up. And the second set, well, it might just be unlike any you've ever heard. Archivist David Lemieux urges you to turn it up and do it loudly. We won't dare spoil all the surprises, but pay special attention to the rippin' "Sugar Magnolia," the aggressively monstrous "The Other One," and the highly-danceable "Not Fade>GDTRFB>Not Fade." Rounding out the 3CDs, you'll find selections from Pigpen's return tour at Ann Arbor, MI, 12/14/71. Subscribers will get nearly all of the complete show as this year's bonus disc.

As always, Dave's Picks Volume 26 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the original analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman and is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Take some blood pressure meds.At least the 3 hour time difference allows you to drink a lot and still feel ok tomorrow at work. Of course, there are still 2 periods to go. Skull trip, my comments weren’t directed at you. Just making the point that GD was not a one-man show.
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They've never really done a complete seasonal run for a box. May '77 wasn't complete, Europe was a tour, not "spring," and so forth. So the two seasonals possible in the '70s commercial sweet spot are Summer '73 (yay!) and Dave has said that a "fall '72" box is inevitable "at some point." I don't think Summer '76 would sell like '72 or '73 and they keep to that 1972-78 sweet spot for sales. They've really played out '77 and '78 within the past 2-3 years, presumably because there were many tapes in the returned cache from those two years. Thus, it was easy to put out a couple killer late '70s boxes and not dent the stash of rarer stuff. Admittedly, once they do a Summer '73 box -- defined by June-Labor Day -- that's a chunk of the chronology they cannot revisit. But it would give them a chance to lump an iconic show(s) -- Watkins Glen (great soundcheck, not stellar noon performance next day) -- with the hotter shows in June and late July/early August. 'Course, there'll be some screamin' in certain quarters, but I'll just put on the headphones and turn it up............
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Your season appears to have unraveled in the span of about 10 minutes.
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We could just dose them all.. what could possibly go wrong? Weird.. as soon as I sent this there was a knock on the door. Who could it be at this late hour?
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You guys are absolutely right about it not being the same without Jerome John G. But, shit, it wasn't the same WITH him since ________ (pick a year in the 1980's). The drugs killed him, man, the hardest of fucking drugs and he was the hardest of partiers. There were still brilliant moments, tours, shows, songs... I thought that recent RFK mini-box was absolutely kick-ass! But as a guitar player and lover of all things guitar, Jerry the gunslinger on the whole E72 tour was just it - the pinnacle. The dude tossed in country, jazz, rock and blues licks all night every night and just brought it. With the Graham Nash Strat and modded-out Fender amps, whew. Didn't hurt having Bobby playing that hulking 335 behind him. Too bad Bob couldn't hear himself cut through the band. I certainly can. For a brief time, Jerry was a black leather jacket wearing, handsome, guitar gunslinging badass. His improvisational flights on the Dark Stars were from another world. He was channeling something pretty goddamn grand. Maybe God herself. He shone like a comet in full flight. Then, he resolved to become something else, something a little more selfish and less giving. It was never the same since, really, on exactly that high level of brilliant, intuitive guitarsmanship and overall band dynamic. I love 1973 through 1976, 1978, 1979... but at some point Garcia got a little lost and sloppy before nearly dying. And then, rising from the Dead. Love the guy. He's the catalyst, the whole reason anyone is here. But, the "Grateful Dead" carried on for a hell of a long time with half a Jerry Garcia. What's happening today is fresh, healthy - and inspired. I'm sorry if that doesn't get it for lots of old schoolers, but it is what it is.
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....the fat lady may be tuning up during this game. Time to rip off three straight. Lol.
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....I would have felt blessed to have seen him once, but once wasn't enough. I would drop everything back in the day to go to a show. Can't say that about anyone since. Anyone.
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icecrmcnkd: As has been discussed at length, FTW was a great romantic vision. But unrealistic to do 80 songs just one or two times with a guitarist who is new to the material - couldn't expect it to sound confident and sure. A series of linked recoveries and hold-your-breath transitions in key moments of most songs. Lot of it sounded like a rehearsal. It wasn't horrible, but far from "dialed in". And no I didn't go. And I don't hate Trey at all. I saw many a Phish/TAB show. Mad respect. FTW tour should have been called "Just the Tip". Just when it was getting interesting, it was over. The 4th or 8th version of all those songs would have had some AMAZING moments, but we can only imagine. LedDed: Well said! The decline was sad. I wish I could have seen him before my first show 6/17/1982 (JGB/Bobby & the News double bill) when he was LONG past "handsome leather jacket gunslinger" days. I was stunned at the person I saw onstage compared to every photo I had EVER seen.
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I can't complain about the number of shows I saw.. except that I was not born earlier. I was persistent and perhaps a bit lucky - plus it was a bit more affordable back then and I could find a way to sleep anywhere for cheap or free. I am a bit soured by ticket prices since FTW.. and now I cannot sleep in the middle front seat of a standard transmission mini. Phil shows are still in the $75 range, which beats D&C. I boycotted the last tour because of $$$ but I am catching at least Blossom this go around. I am very happy they are still keeping on and I will still partake so long there is air flowing through my lungs and blood pumping in my brain (and apparently enough money in my wallet, not that I have forgotten how to be frugal). What's the alternative? Rap? I guess we could bring disco back.
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....I would spend plenty a time not even facing the stage. My eyes would peruse the surrounding circus while auditorily enjoying the best background music ever made. That's me.
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....I double post at times. Double taked a lot of visuals back then too. Did that really happen? Accept it Vince. It may or have not have. OK conscious. You are correct as always.
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Sound like the ticket for your re-election, Senator. You are indeed correct.
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Yes it was brief and unrehearsed, but a lot of fun. Good point LedDed. Good points all. Couple days to recover Vguy.....
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I thoroughly enjoyed the poorly marketed, over-priced FTW CDs and DVDs. I even liked Phil's 1960's take at Santa Clara. I did enjoy it.. its a rare glimpse into The Trey - GD window. I did not go because I couldn't justify the expense compared to everything I had going on that year. Still glad they did it. Again, what was the alternative, do nothing? Naa…. Could they have done it better? Probably.. but that is personally true for me every day I have ever lived, except three.
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Totally! Wish I coulda: great tunes, great friends, road trip, 50th anniversary nostalgia. Trey always finds some fun grooves.
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....thin. Dude. That was hilarious, and not incorrect.
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....the magic number. So happens, that's how many wins Vegas needs to raise The Cup. (ouch). My damn RFK Box is sneering at me. Screw you box! (best Man Smart, Women Smarter?). It's up there....
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....posting Phish vids on dead.net? Bless you. I wasn't ready to stop touring in '95 either. Luckily, '96-'98 saved a bunch of souls. Prime Phish era. They responded to the fact that a ton of other people weren't ready to stop touring either. They probably had a meeting. Mike. "You know guys, a bunch of our fellow heads are gonna need a life preserver. This is big!" Fishman. "Yeah Mike. We gotta rise up! Lemme wash my mumu" Trey. "Time to practice like we've never practiced before. Put that joint down. Serious time!" Page. "I need a sammich." Truth....Trey started down the Jerry road in 2002-2003. Got pulled over by a cop. Game changer. I love that cop....
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....Nicko: "We got to get through this tour yet. [Laughs] We got a lot of life left in us. We've not ever, that I can recall, unless anyone else in the band has without a band gathering, decided whether or not we want to carry on or not. We just carry on. I've always made it clear to Steve [Harris, bass] and the guys that if I can't drive the band physically, then I'd step down. Don't get me wrong, boys and girls — I'm not saying that I am. It's so important that the band carries on and plays as much as we want because we have the passion. Again, it's not financial, it's not anything to do with that, it's because we love it. If it came as a chore and I'll quote Jan [Gers, guitar], if we ever became a parody of ourselves, that would be the time to hang it up. The thing is, we're not. I'm the granddaddy in the band. I'm the oldest fellow in the band which is quite unusual because every band I was in before MAIDEN, I was always the youngest or the second youngest. Now, I'm the wise old man of the band! They won't agree with the 'wise,' just the 'old.' We'll carry on as long as our fans, which are the most loyal and I'm telling you right now, without a doubt, I compare it to 'Arnie's Army', the golfer Arnold Palmer. He started a fanbase back in the '60s. He had this massive following and they called it 'Arnie's Army'. They were the most loyal fans to a golfer. Every band says their fans are the best and I love that their bands do respect it, but I truly mean it and I know we have the best fans in the world. We do not make you guys happy, then what's the point? Although we do it for ourselves, but at the end of the day, we could go up there and think we're Jack The Lad and you could go, 'What was that all about?' Nick's playing in a different time. He's in a different song. Bruce is singing out of time!' When it's not that fantastic vibe that we get when we play together — we'll carry on as you want us to and the fans and as long as we have the heart to and believe me, there's actually more passion the more we get older than I think we had when we had when we were in the mid-'80s in the first heyday of MAIDEN."....passion, in a nutshell. Up The Irons!! Iron Maiden was my first blind date. Keep on trucking' on gents.
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I'M Playing that particular show right now. 2010 is and adjustment but I get what they were going for: a recording that captures the live sound not a dry ice sbd. and yeah Mike was the most vocal about not wanting to quit phish. their shows in 95 they received some spillage from Deadheads after the Dead quit in 95. I heard phish first before the dead it was Hoist first then Rift second wasn't majorly into lawnboy. then it was livephish vol 1. and I traded the warner bros box set for Hampton Comes ALive box set. and I was a phish fan. I probly am more into phish than the dead truth be told.
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....music is universal. (Except that computer/electronic stuff). That's not music. That's a beat. That's programs. I hold fast to that ideal. Someone prove me wrong.
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Nicely said.
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.... incredible take on Cities. https://youtu.be/bd0O_aVrG10 It's all good, but if you want to get to the hose, FF to the 17:20 mark. It's all gravy after that....the uploaders YouTube discription pretty much says it all. Do you trust me? If nothing else, the still on the video is badass.
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Sure, let's say what ruined Garcia was heroin. But it was more complicated than that. I'll call it the "4-H's". History, Hedonism, Heroin, and Haagen Dazs.History- Many a celebrtity has been personally destroyed by said celebrity. It's something I certainly have no experience with but it's quite apparent it can crush certain souls literally to death. Seems he got exhausted being considered a god in a leather jacket (black t-shirt). Hedonism- Jerry did whatever the F he wanted, whenever the F he wanted. He ran away from the women in his life easier than I get rid of my old cars. Heroin- Yep. He did that, too. But didn't we all consider drugs part of the myth and magic ? It's killed a lot of great musicians. And a lucky few have survived it, although worse for wear. Haagen Dazs- Not a lot of fat junkies out there. Take away the H and by the 80's you still have an obese chain smoker with a terrible diet whose only real excercise was standing on a stage entertaining us a couple a hours a night a few nights a month. We even made jokes and bumper stickers about it. "The fat man rocks" etc. I guess my rambling point is: take away the Heroin and one way or another he was still going to leave way too early.
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“That’s not music, that’s a beat”.Absolutely! The B-52’s have a song (and it is music) “Throw that beat in the garbage can” Phish did not fill a void for me in 95, went 2x in 95, and once each in 96-98, including Thomas and Mack in 97. Shoreline 98 was my last. Just wasn’t really doing it for me, didn’t seem the same as in 92-93. Instead, the void was filled in 95 by going full speed ahead with tape trading and getting as many GOGD SBDs that I could get my hands on. And I’m still in that frame of mind. Bring on the Full Normans!
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I was under the impression that it was more diet, smoking, obesity and a range of health problems that eventually killed Jerry, rather than his heroin use. People seem to latch on to the fact the fact that because he took heroin, that must have been what killed him-but it doesn't look as though this was necessarily true. I would also say that having survived various health scares in the 1980s, it would have been fundamental to his own survival to change his lifestyle. He seemed to do the opposite, going right back to what he was doing when he developed all his problems- back on the road with The Dead. The unfortunate success of "Touch of Grey" made things even worse, thrusting him into the spotlight and the role of celebrity-something he always seemed to have difficulty coping with. So he went back to his old way of coping-all the various habits he had developed over the years-and this seems to be what killed him. Tragic.
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daverock- I believe it is everything you mention that led to Jerry's demise. He bounced back very strongly in 87 and in many ways, I think he really enjoyed the success- he was leading three bands, playing on Broadway. This is simplistic, but I always used how much Jerry smiled as a barometer. Portland '83, he spent the entire show with his chin on his chest, seriously, he never looked up. Augusta '84, he looked like death while playing one of my favorite shows. I saw bunch of shows in 87 with all of his bands and he was having a blast, smiling, waving. He got cleaned up and energized big time in 89 and 90 and it shows in the music and the setlists. I think Brent's death was a huge blow to Jerry. The recent documentary painfully showed a trapped man, struggling and lonely. He aged 20 years in 5. If you have heard any of the soundchecks from 94 and 95, Jerry was grumpy and not exactly enjoying life. Dragging 75,000 people around the country would make any of us grumpy.
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daverock - you wrote: "I was under the impression that it was more diet, smoking, obesity and a range of health problems that eventually killed Jerry, rather than his heroin use" Oh really??? What's your source on THAT datapoint? Lots of people have a poor diet and smoke and they don't wind up looking like Jerry did in the mid-80's. All his vices certainly played a role, but once someone is on heroin they just don't give a f___ about anything else, leading to a runaway train of smoking/poor diet/health neglect. To say "it wasn't the heroin but his diet" is like saying "alcohol didn't kill the drunk driver - it was the tree he hit!." Just say No to trees, kids! And as for Jer's smile being the barometer for "how happy he was", I agree. But I'd say it's more a of a reflection of whether he was using heroin. Chin down and uncommunicative was his tell for heroin usage. He was happy and gregarious when clean, "grumpy cat" when using.
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...change people as nothing else can. Together? Whoa, potent. Since I now can't stomach much of any GD post-1980, I make the lazy, obnoxious, yet confident assumption that money and drugs tragically and eventually killed Jerry and gradually extinguished great Grateful Dead music along the way to 1995. Big scenes, stoned/buzzed band, Mickey's narcoleptic shuffle beat, witless new tunes (e.g. Standing On The Moon), rare rehearsals... these seem to add up to uninspiring arena rock-cheese that most definitely did not age well. Pre-1979? Almost all good: Vintage Dead
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Show will be July 7, 1989. Already released as Crimson, White and Indigo but the MUATM version is going to be newly remastered? That was already high quality video and audio. I wonder what else they were able to pull out of it? Great show for sure but I wonder what if it's any indication that the new box will be a summer 89 showcase of some kind? I hope they aren't using the promise of new box info as means to sell tickets to something I can already watch at home and this presentation is truly an upgrade of some kind.
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Well, I wasn't stating that it was exclusively his diet/smoking/lack of exercise that killed Jerry, just that this was a major contributory factor. The fact that he suffered from diabetes meant that he needed to take better care of his health-which of course he didn't do. If you have diabetes and smoke and over eat a lot of sugary food you are placing your life at risk-whether you take heroin or not. There are degrees of everything, too. Not everyone who takes heroin looks like Jerry. Not everyone who follows a poor diet and smokes looks like Jerry. We all look different! If someone takes heroin, every negative thing that happens to themselves, their families and their communities can be laid at their door. This is often the result of prejudice rather than knowledge.
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Isn’t that an oxymoron? Haven’t spent any time with heroin addicts so what I see on tv is my only exposure. They generally look thin and scraggly. The fact that Jerry was fat confirms what others are saying about his other contributions to his poor health. But let’s not attack the fat man that we all love. He carried a heavy burden with all the expectations that the fans placed on him. And every 10 years or so a keyboardist dies. That can’t help.
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Hard Working AmericansWe’re All In This Together A very fine live album. Haven’t seen HWA without Neil. Hopefully it’s just as good.
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The new GD e-newsletter states that the Aug. 1 MUATM will "reveal an exclusive look at the Dead's soon-to-be-announced 2018 boxed set." This implies that the announcement will come before Aug. 1 and they'll just add a little video hype for MUATM-goers. I'm rootin' for Summer '73, as you know, but as always, I'm ready for anything. Not to mention being sooooo ready for the fall '67, 1st red'd Mickey show. That's when the six-headed beast really began to stir.
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I have read that he witnessed his father drowning. maybe that somewhat influenced his later choices. well anyway, Jerry's been deceased for nigh on 23 years.
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But it became lore. Like the story that aliens snatched off part of his finger... you heard that one, right? Jer wasn't intrinsically a tragic figure. As a rock star, he had access to things that weren't good for him. He got bored with the GD, tired of the iconic status he earned ("Playing like every night is New Years Eve gets to be a bit much," he once said after the GD became popular), and said he'd rather play with his own band. He actively disregarded his health and took the lazy path of feeling good through drugs alone, with the heaviness that heroin brings to one's existence, he dealt himself a very unhealthy hand. Add smoking, free-basing, coke/smack, a pitifully unhealthy diet, diabetes and constant touring with over-adulating fans and I can see that whole train wreck unfolding like the story of Casey Jones.
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icecrmconkd: Why is it that whenever a conversation comes up about Jerry's bad habits there's a call to "not attack" or "make fun of" him?? It is what it is. We should be able to have a mature conversation about Jerry and the bad habits that eventually did him in. I'm not into whitewashing or revisionist history. Let us learn form it. Also daverock, point well taken, but you ascribed MORE blame to the other lifestyle choices than heroin, which I find puzzling. Yes it effects everyone differently, but for every functional heroin user there's a stone cold junkie train wreck. Also diabetes is a disease you can contract in mid-life DUE TO poor diet/lack of exercise/drug use. Heroin use can LEAD TO poor diet and lack of exercise, which can LEAD TO diabetes. And diabetes wreaks havoc on your organs and increases your overall health risk... it's a downward spiral - ya fly too close to the sun, your wings are GONNA melt. If Jerry never did heroin I bet he'd still be alive. A few years ago this topic came up and a few people here admitted that they are casual heroin users, which kinda freaked me out: "Hey it's not a big deal, i do it all the time." I hope my son never, ever, ever meets those people. Sure some people can handle it, but it's russian roulette to even try it, in my opinion. I pray to God my college bound son never meets anyone who says "Hey try this, it's heroin - it gets a bad rap but you'll LOVE it! .... Ahhh, your old man's a pussy...."
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First off, aliens did snatch off his finger - you can see it clearly in the Close Encounters cameo he did. Second off, if I had his money, talent, and band, I would have died at least 5 years sooner - God Bless Garcia
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Very fucking BORING & repetitive conversation.
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