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    Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

    WHAT'S INSIDE:
    6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
    • 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
    • 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
    Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
    Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
    Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
    Photos by Richie Pechner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

    Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

    "We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

    Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

    The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

    For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

    PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

    Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

    Get it while you can.

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  • #2201
    Vguy72
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    Hold on hendrixfreak....
    ....I need to make some more popcorn and mescaline.
  • #2202
    hendrixfreak
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    Noon-ish is not the best time to catch a full-blown show.....
    My memory has clearly telescoped events, because I almost think I remember rolling over in my sleeping bag and, for breakfast, snorting a pile of 'chocolate' mescaline off one of those mini-cereal boxes. I definitely took some blotter. But even if we'd 'slept in,' it must of been 10-ish or something. Surely we'd had some water and a snack, probably provided by a merciful neighbor. We were still 15 and we looked like what we were: goddamm-near children! Ah, so I was saying, we dropped acid and snorted mescaline and fired up the pipe with Numero Uno and, hey, is that freakin' Jerry on stage? Wait, Bobby. Phil. Bill. The piano guy. Jer kept dipping his cigarette into a brass ashtray and, when he re-lit it, it flared up. I didn't hit the blow til '75 but later, I thought, freebase. I hope someone can clarify this, but I think I recall the band starting just a bit after NOON(!). As far as I was concerned at the time, they fucking rocked the place for hours. I do recall, as I often feel, feeling goofy about a camera while tripping. But I managed to snap off three shots, of which two survive, which catch the three guitarists blasting away on Playing in the Band, then turning towards each other to converse more intimately, finally arriving in a tight circle and sending tides of sound across the crowd. I think this was the time I experienced Phil's bass as physical, purple pulses in my chest and the realization that vibrations, rather than corporeal reality, were at the heart of existence. I clearly remember the gospel treatment at the end of He's Gone and at the end of Sugar Mag, Weir thrust his arm skyward for stop time, ran back to his amps, downed the rest of a Heineken and raced back to the mic for the coda. Still, I was 15, down front at one of the biggest gatherings of humans in history. I did look back over the crowd, but, as usual, there wasn't much profit in looking back. Not with the Grateful Dead killing it in front of me.
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    The Soundcheck
    The Allmans rocked big time. They'd slayed us at RFK after the Dead when, exhausted and dehydrated, we had retreated to the shaded overhang of RFK and been simply psychedelically rolled over by the ABB. They smoked the Dead that day. Back to the Soundcheck. I got up and hiked around the scene while it was still afternoon. A very loose scene with lots of elbow room, cool air, breathing. I returned to our space, easily located, for The Band. It was nearly sunset when the Grateful Dead took the stage. We had all the room we needed. I started the soundcheck boogie-ing upright, shakin it to the rock 'n roll. I had snorted some mescaline and taken maybe a half tab of the blotter. Everyone knew this was unprecedented in GD history. Here we were, groovin' on a cool pine forest evening, high but not pressed and our favorite band was blasting away on the finest sound system we'd ever heard. I do not recall individual songs, just the transition between comprehensible songs and jams that had us smiling for reasons we knew not. [Beautiful Jam from So Many Roads is blasting in the background as I write these words.] I do clearly recall the feeling of complete ease as I nestled down into my sleeping bag, head on cool gallon jug, looking up at the band just jamming away. We rode it out after the band departed and the next thing we knew, it was morning and the crowd was bustling, hustling, and by noon it was show time all over again.
  • #2204
    icecrmcnkd
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    Hendrixfreak
    I hope you are writing these in a word processing program and saving them.You probably should combine your memories and pictures and put it out on the internets where it will hopefully be forever preserved. Maybe upload the final version to the archive someday.
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    Any headphone listeners out there? Or maybe you don't need them. I find the bass on this GSTL recording overwhelming. Bertha and Help On the Way are good places to start. I don't get the same thing with the SB I have if this show. I think Jeff Norman boosted it somehow. Anyone else notice it? Garyfarseer - what kind of medicine?
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    The greatest missed show on Earth
    Long story shrunk to size... We had to get home on 10 June 1973 because we were exhausted, dehydrated, broke, without tickets, food, water, anything, so we thumbed back and tried to blend into humanity. I was 15. I lived with my parents, of course, and they needed to see some evidence that I was alive. They never even said a word about my setting out for a multi=day excursion in jeans and a t-shirt. We just did it. We heard the 10 June show was smokin' and we were pissed. We were NOT going to be caught short like that again. No effin' way. So when the news broke of a show with all three of the greatest rock bands of that time -- the Grateful Dead, the Allman Brothers and The Band -- we were on it like white on rice. Tickets cost $10.50? We had 'em. And we'd just seen the Allmans at Madison Square Garden in, May? I smuggled in a bong. A young cop caught me. An older cop said, "Let him go. It's a bong. Don't worry about it." Jesus, this whole law enforcement thing was confusing! But my view was broadening... Late July 1973. The older brother of a hot schoolmate of ours was driving to Watkins Glen. We signed on. Me, Mark L, David W, and a few others. We brought our backpacks. We had a little food. A shit-ton of Numero Uno. No alcohol. I had a sheet of blotter. Someone's adept use of the map enabled us to skirt around the worst of the traffic and we actually accessed the grounds in fine fashion, probably 12 hrs ahead of the hoo-ska-boo that eventually developed. The van's inhabitants split into units and we never saw our driver-host again, until a week later, just before the 31 July - 1 August shows back at Roosevelt Stadium. (Biggies, waiting for release...) So we hike over to the "gate," passing food trucks that specialized in big scoops of weed. We snickered, fully equipped. We were still 15. We entered the gates around midday and for some reason no one took my ticket, so I immediately doubled back to the chain link fence and passed my whole ticket to a have-not. Instinct, communal instinct. Later, my parents said that friends of theirs in Europe had seen footage that included my entrance into the concert site. The stage was perhaps 2/3 of a mile away. As we walked down the gently sloping hill towards the stage it was obvious we were a bit early. In earlier shows we were leery of getting too close because of the physical crush, the volume and the collective high that sometimes ... got a bit hairy. But fresh off missing 10 June, we marched down and claimed a beautiful space about 20 yards from the stage, just a bit left of center. On our way, we'd grabbed a few one-gallon water jugs that were set out free by Bill Graham in response to the scene at RFK in DC 6 weeks earlier. I found myself high on mescaline, laying on my sleeping bag with my head resting on a cool one-gallon jug of potable water and passing a doobie when the crowd sputtered and roared. It was late afternoon and the Allman Brothers had just taken the stage.
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    Throughout the fall of 1972 and through the winter-spring of 1973 I had ingested numerous psychedelics, including the wonderful agent known as mescaline and naturally a few substantial doses of the Lady Herself. At one point, with my buddy Moose, we were sitting atop a van-sized boulder in a 2,000 acre wooded preserve near home and we focused on the visual margin between the rock beneath us and the ground in the background and felt that we had lifted the boulder upon which we sat perhaps several inches into the air, then lowered it again to its natural resting place. But I digress... June 1973 and me and David W are hitching to RFK in DC about 200 miles away for the 9-10 June 1973 shows. It's summer. So obviously we go in t-shirts, jeans, sneakers, with a ticket and few single dollars/dead presidents in my pocket. Next to the sheet of oval 4-way blotter. A little smokum in the sock, in case we got stopped. Look, we're 15, okay? 16 was months away. We were just up for adventure, loud rock 'n roll and, um, a closer look at the scene. I remember that some of the serious traveling hippies with LSD-dead eyes were there selling pipes, but also passing them around. We had long hair but we were little kids! These folks looked 50 but were probably 20, i.e., impossibly old, grizzled and of unknown origin. But no one actually bothered us, nor was there any attention. Everyone treated us as adults. So we slept on the ground on the grassy parts outside the stadium that night. No water, no food, no equipment. The next day, temperatures climbed towards 100. We were smoking a joint by the grate that blocked one entrance and a black cop motioned us over. We approached cautiously. "Hand me some of that, will you?" he asked. "WHAAAT???" was our initial reaction, having already experienced the pleasure of being cuffed and harassed by the cops for having a beer in the park. Turned out, cops can be cool, too. We burned two with the cat and we bid each other a good day. He was clearly amused by the scene, but in a groovy way. This was 1973 and racism and violence over the Vietnam War made longhairs outcasts, just like minorities of every stripe, then and now. Short story long, me and David split a 4-way and the Dead played that afternoon, opening for the ABB that night. The lines for water were long. We survived on The Lady, a little water and some "Numero Uno" substance we thought was hash but turned out to be opium. Worked for us that day, though, the heat was excruciating and I'm sure a lot of folks needed help in the heat. I got up close for Chinacat at the end of the first set. I was mesmerized. Bobby played a Gibson SG, which in my mind meant "bass guitar." Phil was playing a big possibly semi-hollowbody bass that said to my untutored eyes, "rhythm guitar." But I was already a huge Phil fan (being a Jer fan was too obvious) and this had me confused. At some point some idiot hurled a lit M-80 onto the stage (June 9, right? obviously in close proximity to July 4??) and it rolled up to Jer. In that day, he had a stage mannerism of sort of shuffling in place and I saw him move his right foot forward in perfect time and using the tip of his cowboy boot sent the live M-80 back out over the crowd. I don't even recall hearing it explode. The music was pretty loud.
  • #2208
    icecrmcnkd
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    Nice warmup HF
    Patiently waiting for the grand finale....
  • #2209
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    Backstory and launch....
    The briefest of backstories: Six years old in 1964, persuaded my mom to buy me a Beatles LP at the checkout counter of the local discount store. Played it on monaural phonograph with one 12" speaker output. Rocked as child. 13 years old in 1970, convince mom to drive me and a friend to a Chambers Bros concert. We dug the music but were too young for 'action.' 15 years old, summer of '72, catch The Byrds and New York Rock 'n Roll Ensemble at college outside Saugerties NY where The Band rec'd Big Pink five years earlier. We drove by Big Pink. (Still Pink.) We were 15. (An older brother was actually driving...) Since 1971, been spinning American Beauty and Skull & Roses LPs on the same phonograph as in 1964, only now it's in the basement where our ping-pong table and hang-out couch are located. 19 Sept 1972, I jump in a car full of older heads with an ounce of hash in my pocket, 33 days after my 15th birthday, and we proceed to the Roosevelt Stadium in lovely Jersey City, New Jersey, and catch my first Grateful Dead show. I had already been 'experienced,' but did not drop at this show; too chaotic, large crowd, determined to survive and catch my ride home. I listened for familiar songs, jams, anything -- nothing! Everything was different. Records, shme-cords. This scene was crazy. Maybe 10,000 people screamin' high groovin', freakin', dancin', gyratin', handing you things you knew best to pass along... I was alone in the giant crowd with the music louder but sweeter than anything I'd ever heard before. The music rocked, I just couldn't grab onto a big Jerry jabbin' guitar riff that would remind me of Skull & Roses. Obviously, this was no American Beauty. As Jer once said, recording in a studio is like building a ship in a bottle. Playing live is like being on the ocean in an open rowboat. And that's kinda how I felt -- out there, surfin', knew I'd have to get home ... 3 hours into the show, I do remember saying to myself, "Well, all righty then, damn good show, YOU CAN STOP PLAYING ANYTIME, I'M GOOD. GOTTA GET SOME REST... MUST SNAG RIDE HOME..." Part II, coming ...
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    icecrmcnkd
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    The photos of the stage show how high it was. Need safety railings to keep the musicians from falling off.
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Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

WHAT'S INSIDE:
6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
• 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
• 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
Photos by Richie Pechner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

"We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

Get it while you can.

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Submitted by mcgrupp216 on Mon, 06/18/2018 - 20:03

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Did you mean to say 4,000? Prob closer to 400x25. I imagine this selling out- I’ve already pre-ordered mine- but don’t see it selling out before the actual sale date.
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Submitted by Mr_Heartbreak on Mon, 06/18/2018 - 20:16

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I think that was meant to be a joke. I tried putting 9900 in my cart, and it let me. Total was $1,880,802.00.
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Submitted by MrHeartbreak on Mon, 06/18/2018 - 20:30

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Well, I did empty my cart right away....so those 4K are all yours, buddy!
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Submitted by kevjones on Mon, 06/18/2018 - 21:40

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I have a feeling that this set will be around for a minute. Doesn't seem like a lot of people are talking about it too much. Most people are talking about Specs and things like that in the chat Are we unfamiliar with these shows? Is that why the enthusiasm seems dampened? For instance, we got 3 circulated shows, and 7/7/78 in Stereo for the first time, and the gorgeous 1978 box still remains on sale. The First May 1977 box was on sale for quite a long time as was Spring Too (the single best sounding vault release of all) and even Winterland 77 was for sale for a very long time. Hoping this set is still around in July or August. Sounds like a nice art piece
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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 04:45

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There seems to be a lot of speculation on here before a release is announced, followed by immediate responses of euphoria or disappointment depending on how you feel about the show(s) chosen. After that...I don't tend to listen to many shows that haven't been officially released these days-so-in the case of this box-I have heard a few of the shows before, but not for many years. So what I am left with is looking at the set lists. And they feature an awful lot of songs I have got a lot of versions of already. With new versions of some songs-Dark Star and The Other One spring to mind-every new officially released version is welcomed. But with shorter songs, its harder to drum up the same level of enthusiasm. But these shows, although I don't remember them specifically, come from one of the, if not THE, golden ages of the Dead. Even if the set lists look a bit lack lustre or repetitious-as soon as I have the box here at home, I am sure I will be thrilled by the package, and more importantly, totally transported by the shows themselves.
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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 05:01

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Off topic-but I saw an incredible concert by Jeff Beck last Friday, at a beautiful open air venue in London. I couldn't make out who was in the band apart from Jeff and Jimmy Hall on vocals, but the line up seemed to be completed by a drummer, bass player-and surprisingly-a cellist on some tracks. The cellist really added a lot to incredible versions of Little Wing and A Day in the Life. Other stand out tracks were Superstition, A Change is Gonna Come and blues rock classics You Shook Me and I'm Going Down for encores. A brilliant concert-with Imelda May doing a set prior to Jeff's. All in, a damn near perfect way to spend a Friday night.
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Submitted by Thin on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 06:43

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"So what I am left with is looking at the set lists. And they feature an awful lot of songs I have got a lot of versions of already." Now that I look at my hundreds of show's, I DO have some repeated songs! That's weird....
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 06:40

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Got no heart? Hardly.. I believe this will sell out, but I expect there will be some to purchase in time for the holidays, possibly beyond. ,With the exception of Cornell, the last few Box Sets have taken some time to sell out, this will likely fall into this pattern. I have to think they will go faster then the last 78 and 90 boxes though. ..especially once people give this a first listen. There are a couple tentpole shows in this box and I expect the sound quality will surprise many. That seems to be where they focused their energy. Considering the era and the quality.. my guess is it will sell out. Good to hear about Jeff Beck. I have second row seats to see him in a beautiful theatre in Pittsburgh in about a month. I was gun shy pulling the trigger, trying to spend a bit less on certain things this summer. But I got second row at face and remembered how good he was the last time I saw him. I couldn't pass it up.
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Submitted by RobbZ on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 07:37

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Does anybody have an update or reason why the digital download feature in the store is still inoperable with some products? I missed the May 77 and Spring 1990 Box sets, just to name a few, and would really like to get my hands on them...and this crazy message has been haunting my dreams for some time: "Digital downloads have been temporarily disabled while we work on resolving the technical issues". Cheers!
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Submitted by frosted on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 09:12

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Lucky you, daverock and Jim. Have only seen him live once, back in 1979 or 80 (edit: oops, not that anybody cares, but I remember now that it was in 1976. 42 years ago? Ouch) not long after Wired came out, so that and Blow by Blow made up a good portion of the show. How could anyone not like that? Seems he'll be in southern Cal this tour but I'm up north, so will miss him again. In the age of youtube, though, it's easy to see parts of these tours that I cannot attend. He's still among the pinnacle of my rock guitar favorites, with that rare blend of technique, emotion, and inventiveness. I can listen to Garcia endlessly, but when I'm in the right mood, JB has that different sort of mojo that's a cut above. Guys like Clapton, Santana, Robbie Robertson, and name 20 others always had lots of talent, but Beck continued to evolve and innovate, and damn does he ever age? I think his adventurous spirit, constant playing with new and talented sidemen, and restraint on overexposing himself has helped him maintain his longevity and freshness. Just re-read your post daverock, and somehow I missed the Imelda May reference as the warm up act on my first read. Wow, would I have liked to have been at that show! Jim, you'll be lucky if she comes along on his US tour too.
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Submitted by Deadicated on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 08:02

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50th anni of our heroes, I'm listening to the last Carousel show - and it's got a whole lotta weird goin' for it. After a red hot, greasy Lovelight/NFA/Lovelight, a full-blown acid test episode takes place. If you've not heard this hour - there's a 2nd hour or so if the 1st grabs you - don't be denied. BTW, I'll be listening for the last time to my unofficial copies of the shows from the forthcoming box and saying to self, "oh, yeah, that totally unforgivable cut won't be there, or that patch, etc...", and once again be grateful to the GOGD PTB. Later, will listen to: Oscar Pettiford "Deep Passion" (7-10) 6/19/56 Sonny Rollins "The Sound of Sonny" (1-10) 6/19/57 Freddie Hubbard "Open Sesame" (1-6) 6/19/60 Miles Davis "Filles de Killimanjaro" 6/19/68
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 08:14

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It's almost impossible to compare sales performance of any one Grateful Dead box set to another. Some we don't know how many they produced (Winterland 1973 & 1977); some are from extremely famous runs (Cornell, Europe '72); some are relatively expensive; some are relatively inexpensive; and some are available for download, so we can't even measure their sales. In hindsight, it seems clear why Cornell, Europe 72, Fillmore West 1969, and 30 Trips Around the Sun sold out quickly. It is interesting that Winterland June 1977 and Winterland 1973 took about five years to sell out, while the May 1977 box set took less than a year. Judging by eBay prices, the Winterland '77 Box is in much higher demand. This has me thinking they either manufactured an assload of Winterland June 1977 boxes, or the "Limited Edition" marketing scheme is hugely effective. I can't see Pacific Northwest box being on the shelves for more than 6 months after the September 7th release date for the following reasons: * The time of their career it encompasses, '73 / '74 * The 15K Limited Edition production run (a number we know doesn't last too too long) * The fact that it's in the medium to low price range * Its availability for the holiday season * The "word of mouth" advertising this box is sure to get (I believe it's a foregone conclusion that it's going to sound great and contain outstanding performances - we are going to be raving about it after it hits our doorsteps, and if it didn't sell out by then, they will start selling like hotcakes as the holiday season approaches) * The Grateful Dead's back catalogue is arguably in higher demand than ever. Dead & Co's impact, I believe, has contributed greatly to this. Even if one doesn't think there is any relevance there, the fact remains the back catalog is in higher demand than ever based on the increased production numbers of Dave's Picks. So yeah, good times good times. I'm not surprised that this didn't sell out overnight. It's not Europe 72. I think it's most akin to the Dave's Picks yearly subscription sales. We all know the boxes are out there in comparatively high numbers, and we all know the rate at which they're selling. Some of us are taking our time because we have time to take. But the window will shorten once the product hits the street and the holidays are upon us. You can't keep half a dozen brand new releases from one of the Grateful Dead's most cherished eras out of the hands of Deadheads for long. This is not Cornell or Europe 72, but it is also no July 1978 or RFK '89. I think after all is said and done, the Pacific Northwest box may reflect the sales pattern of 30 Trips Around the Sun.
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 08:25

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On a different note, I decided I wanted to know where it said in my ticket agreement that the BB&T Pavilion can cancel a show at some point through it without offering a refund. They are offering some free streaming stuff, but to be frank, I was treated rather belligerently by the woman I spoke to. She actually interrupted me, and said the words, "you're not getting a refund" after cutting me off several times in an impatient tone. I was very cordial in my questions and demeanor, so, clearly no respect for the customer (not because I wasn't given a refund right), but because I was talked down to and interrupted. This woman, after not knowing the answers, told me to Google it. I guess I can't be too surprised at poor customer service, but I can't remember the last time congeniality was reciprocated by condescension. I asked for her manager and was forwarded to his voice mail, so I left him a message. I don't know about you guys, but this sort of thing sticks in my craw, and frankly the discussion on Hell Freezes Over and increased ticket sales prices is what really got me to thinking I'm not happy with this outcome, and that I was going to call about it. I believe that the cost to either BB&T Pavilion and or Dead and Company to redo the show is going to hurt their pocketbooks a lot less than a great number of fans who attended, once you break it down to percentages and household income, etc. If it says in my ticket or anywhere in my purchase agreement that they have a right to do this, then it is what it is and I'm fine with it. If anyone out there has statistics on the number of minutes played at any Dead & Co shows, I would be grateful for them (like, if you have a show loaded up on your iPod, and the total runtime for both sets and Encore equals x number of minutes, that would be great thanks). The June 1st and 2nd Camden shows especially.
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 08:24

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Hey Now Just checking in after a bit of a hiatus - life's curveballs, you know? Busy times and not so busy times but busy times will indeed REIGN when Sixtus III arrives this Friday AM so long as all goes as scheduled. Then, crazy train. Good to catch up from the last several days, here. Psyched for this Big Box. Just looking forward to the smooth sound upgrade and some monster shows, just gimme it All. Dead & Co have been a lot of fun lately - that Billy Tell > Eleven rolled me over (sounds like VGuy too). Also coming out of Space into Eyes? My cup O' Tea. Be well people! revel in the summertime - I will certainly try and will do my best to check in and offer some candid updates. That may or may not involve poop. Sixtus
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 08:47

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First.. congrats and best of luck Sixtus. Seond.. I got a nice chuckle out of thin being "shocked!" Chortled my coffee a bit.. I suspect the frequent visitors of these threads are mostly all-in on this one with some that are interested but passing for various reasons. I think it's worth it for a cleaned up, pristine PNE 73 alone, add in Seattle 74 and the rest is bonus material. I cannot get enough WRS's either, Truckin' had legs back then, China Riders were going through a pivotal evolution, there are some first set novelties like The Race is On, early Peggy-O's and others and you have the makings for a great box set. ..and that's before the extra time and effort mastering, Plangent, etc. As for songs. Just for kicks and giggles I compared to FW 69. I know there is no comparison, FW was an explosive early high water mark. ..but this is how they match up: FW 69 Shows 4 Songs 62 Avg. Songs per Show 15.5 Unique Songs 22 PNW 73/74 Shows 6 Songs 164 Avg. Songs per Show 27.3 Unique Songs 60
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 09:01

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Thx Jimbo. And I did some quick math on your numbers below - they are eerily similar in terms of % unique songs played; FW 69 is 35.4839% 'unique songs' vs. PNW 73/74 being 36.5854% unique songs. Moral of the story seems to be that repeats have long been A Thing across runs. I ain't complainin'! Fun w/#'s Sixtus P.S. and it was the China > Rider transition from 5/19/74, while listening on my Walkman strolling to my French class that had me repeatedly rewinding that Feelin Groovy jam which has since had me 1000% hooked on that little snippet whenever and wherever it pops up.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 09:14

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....Dead & Co busted out The Eleven on the eleventh show of the tour. I don't believe in coincidences....Haha. Poop. Congrats Sixtus.
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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 09:50

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Not sure why you feel entitled to a refund. You don't get a refund if a baseball game gets called early due to rain. You don't get a refund if you buy a ski pass for the season and it does not snow. Our plow guy certainly does not offer a refund if it does not snow. The same thing happened in Canandaigua a few years back. Sucks, but that is how life works.
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Submitted by tncorey on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 09:51

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Total run time for 6/1 @ Camden was 2 hrs, 54 minutes (18 songs including encore) per my Nugs download. For 6/2, it was 1 hr, 46 minutes (10 songs). I don't have the specific Set 1 vs. Set 2 breakdown at the moment. In listening, I felt like the 6/2 first set seemed longer than usual. On a related note, hoping to catch the boys at Blossom tomorrow if time permits!
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Submitted by Mr. Pete on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 10:17

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I would guess by the time the box comes out, and deadheads comment on how nice the box looks, that will "seal the deal" for a lot of people.I am not familiar with the NW shows so I am very much looking forward to sitting down, pouring a cold beverage, lighting up one of my dead meerschaum pipes, and enjoying each show. I am sure the quality of the sound will be...excellent! A lot of us forget how bad cassettes were in the day. Not all...but most! Have a great day! Mr. Pete-----------------> aging hippie
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Submitted by unkle sam on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 10:28

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Keithfan, I agree with you, I would want a refund or a redo of the show myself. Who called the show? Was it the band or the venue? This makes a difference, if it was the band, then redo for sure, I just can't see the band stopping the show or calling it done due to a bit of weather, they are known for conjuring up weather phenomenons in the past. If it was the venue, then I think a partial refund is only appropriate. Some say you shouldn't get a refund, obviously they did not get stiffed. I got a refund when they cancelled the Orlando show last December,you got half a show if I'm not mistaken (not up that much on Dead and Co. but I do check out setlists etc on Etree) I guess you got 3 songs for a second set? I would be upset too. I gather from your post you spoke to BB&T staff and they said no rather rudely. Only other thing to do is get in touch with the band management and see what they say. It's a long shot and maybe a post on facebook or other social media might get you furthur, I don't know, but at least you would have some joy in knowing you at least tried and did let the band know that you feel ripped off. Maybe a petition started with signatures of folks who also got ripped off for a second set, I mean, no drums and space....that just ain't right. I have had bad luck seeing the boys recently, Orlando cancelled, Ratdog show the fall before FTW cancelled too, Bobby was hurt but I think it was a substance thing. So I know how you feel. Good luck in your quest and hopefully, the band can squeeze you in at the end of the tour or a free show later, now that would be cool, and we all know this band and it's members are very cool :)
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Submitted by stoltzfus on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 10:32

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they got your money they don't care about you now lesson: be prepared for rainouts etc. went to Phil and Friends in 2001. the organizers made everyone park off-site and then get shuttled to the concert venue. wretchedly run shuttle system = missing 99% of first set. in both cases, "T.S., Elliot." best solution is never to buy D&C tix or merch again.
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Submitted by itsburnsy on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 10:51

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Was that P&F show at St Michelle in Woodinville by chance? As for the box set, I like this one a lot. 2 of the shows are monsters, the others will be like hearing a show for the first time. Next up, D&C at The Gorge, can't beat summer in the PNW! Curious where Dave lives. I thought I saw him once in Cannon Beach, OR, but was like "nah dude lives in CA." My guess is from the video somewhere on the Olympic Peninsula. Port Townsend maybe, beautiful area.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 11:04

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..but I think Dave lives in BC, perhaps in or near Vancouver. I am surprised he hasn't invited us over for tea.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 11:10

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If Camden had not been canceled and people on the lawn got hit by lightning then people would be pissed that the show had not been canceled. I’m guessing that there will be no refunds since you saw more than 50% of the show.
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Submitted by alvarhanso on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 11:12

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Of course, I couldn't wait another paycheck or two in the off chance it sells out. Looking forward to this one, love the 6/22 show, not overly familiar with the rest of the shows. Have heard the 46 min Playing a couple times, but don't recall listening intently to the rest of that show. 5/19/74 I have heard a couple times, wasn't too blown away, but have seen it listed as a tentpole show for years, so, perhaps Plangent will change my mind. Like that they thought outside the box on this with 2 years being covered, a really good idea to non-obsessives because you can hear the difference in playing styles and sound equipment over a 2 year period with similar songs. Too bad that some of those songs were gone by the next summer like Bird Song and Here Comes Sunshine, but we get the wonders of Weather Report Suite. Thanks to Dave and Rhino for what looks to be a beautiful set! On a side note, it will be getting delivered the same week as John McLaughlin and Jimmy Herring Live in San Francisco, an LP and CD set of their Mahavishnu Meeting of the Spirits set. The wife may or may not flip out.
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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 11:16

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Watch out Dave, their coming to get ya!Jim, I think he said 58 miles from Vancouver, and 78 from Seattle, so near the border somewhere...
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 11:25

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I'm loading up the truck now. What's for dinner Dave? Aye.
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Submitted by JeffSmith on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 11:32

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I tried triangulating David Lemieux's location using the mileage to the three PNW '73-'74 venues that he read from his "notes". Looks like maybe the seaside chats originate near/on the southeast (inside) coast of Vancouver Island.
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 11:33

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A little late but better late etc... I did check out the Mexico Show last month that you suggested. Have to admit the Shakedown got real funky when Oteil starts to take over followed by Jeff. Made me think of an earlier Phish jam that was a copy of an early Jerry/Brent jam. Good stuff. G
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Submitted by Thin on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 11:55

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Sixtus - Good luck on delivering the new bambino - I hope all goes smoothly. I guess that means you don't want to catch a Lizard Lounge show Friday night.... We have to grab a beer when your life settles down... in 3 years! Refunds: I empathize with your missing the end of that BB&T show Keithfan, but I'm with AngryJack on this one: If I were D&C I'd do the same. The Dead showed up, incurred every expense, and did everything they could to put on a full show in good faith. And it's not like they stopped 2 songs into the 1st set - you caught about 2/3 of a regular length show. I think Jack's baseball game & ski ticket analogies are appropriate - any outdoor event is subject to the whims of mother nature. However I definitely want a refund for all these duplicate songs in my GD CD collection. Making me pay for EVERY Me & My Uncle is outrageous - what the deuce?!!!
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 11:51

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And congrats on the Third. Man are yall fertile!!!
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 12:37

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....oops. Just the shirt. I had that warm, fuzzy feeling for a moment.
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Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 12:46

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I think he's in East Sooke Regional Park or on private land near there. In all the videos that Dave has shot from along the Strait of Juan de Fuca over the years, I don't think I've seen Mount Olympus in the background, but I may be wrong as I've never seen Mt O from a NW perspective, only from the east - Bainbridge Island, WA.I hope this helps, JeffSmith.
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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 13:25

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Yes, your views on Jeff Beck are very similar to mine. His music always seems fresh and exciting to me. I had high hopes for last Friday's show-and it easily exceeded my expectations. Just the sound of his guitar was immaculate-and what he was doing on it was breath taking. He played a lot of instrumentals-in fact the show included many different styles-from jazz fusion to soul to blues to psychedelia. Everything he touched seemed to turn to gold. I enjoyed it much more than his last release-Live at The Hollywood Bowl-although that is good too. It was very inspired to have a cellist play on some of the tracks, too-what she played fit in perfectly. It surprised me that Rosie Bones-the vocalist on Loud Hailer- wasn't there-but that was actually alright with me, too. I wondered, after Imelda May had finished her set, whether she would join Jeff on stage, but this didn't happen. So-you made a wise choice, Jim, getting a ticket to see him later this year. I would see him again later this year, if I could. In fact, I would see him again tomorrow, if I could.
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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 13:46

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Perhaps I wasn't too clear in my post about shows featuring songs I already (obviously) have. It isn't listening to such shows that doesn't excite me-its reading the set lists before I listen. Listening to shows from years I really like is okay! The Europe 72 box, for example, is one of my most treasured collections, despite having duplications galore. I missed out on the 1969 Fillmore West box set-but I will have no hesitation in buying up everything that is released from this series of shows when they are released on vinyl. Which can't come soon enough for me. No-what doesn't always excite me is looking at the set list prior to hearing the show in question. To take one example-there is only one way of typing a song title-"Tennessee Jed", when you type it, always looks the same. Its only when you actually hear the particular version of the song, that it becomes interesting. So when I look at a set list that has a lot of songs included that I am already very familiar with-it doesn't look too exciting. This all changes when the show arrives at my house and I start listening. Which is why I continue to buy so many shows. What looks like a "here we go again" show on paper is transformed in the playing. Usually.
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Submitted by Thin on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 15:10

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Daverock (aka Maverick per spellcheck) - Thanks for clarifying. Agreed, and hope you didn't take any offense to my snarky comment. That comment just jumped out at me and I chuckled to myself - tongue firmly in cheek. Like you, I barely looked at the setlists for this box (except to count the Dark Stars/Other One) since these years tend to be very predictable in terms of setlists, and when you get a whole run of shows you know you're getting at least one of everything. Jeff Beck is amazing, but not passive listening. He commands attention, but I can't listen to a full road trip of Jeff Beck. He's more of a thrill ride than an easy chair like the GD or Clapton. Small doses, for me anyway.
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Submitted by stoltzfus on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 15:16

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today on the way in to work I heard Jimi's Red House for the first time in at least...2 years or more. this afternoon, clearing out some old books that were on a shelf in my classroom. I look in an art book. I happen upon an image of Paul Klee's "Rotes Haus" (Red House) is it special magic? or just the nature of things? very cool
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 06/19/2018 - 15:20

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....there are no such things as coincidences.
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