• 640 replies
    marye
    Joined:
    Whatever the current version of Furthur is up to, discuss it here!

Comments

sort by
Recent
Reset
  • Brooklyn Peach
    Joined:
    Thanks!
    I'm hoping people will add more to the list. I think I got all the obvious ones.
  • marye
    Joined:
    previous post removed.
    Dude, it is not cool to solicit illegal substances here. The whole world, including law enforcement, can read this. Please feel free to re-post sans drug solicitation. Thanks.
  • Gypsy Cowgirl
    Joined:
    Brooklyn Peach
    that is most excellent! :)))
  • Brooklyn Peach
    Joined:
    Giants bring home the Championship!
    I'm putting this post here 'cause I'm not sure where else to post it: In honor of the San Francisco Giants World Series Championship we came up with these gems: FEAR THE BEAR WILLIE MAYS, THE SAY HEY NOW KID AROUND AND AROUND THE BASES DOWN IN THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE NINTH DUPREE'S BASEBALL DIAMOND BLUES EYES OF THE WORLD SERIES FIELD LIKE A STRANGER FOREVERY CY YOUNG BASEBALL GAMES PEOPLE PLAY GREEN GREEN GRASS OF HOME PLATE HELL IN A BALL BUCKET HELP ON THE STRAIGHTA WAY HIGH TIME OUT I KNOW IT'S A SINGLE YOUR LOVE AT HOME PLATE LOOSE LOU SEAL I WILL TAKE YOU HOME ONE MORE SATURDAY NIGHT DOUBLE HEADER THROWIN' STRIKES STEALIN' BASES TANGLED UP IN ORANGE AND BLACK THE MAIN NINE THE TORTURE NEVER STOPPED and of course: SITTIN' ON TOP OF THE WORLD SERIES!!!
  • sherbear
    Default Avatar
    Joined:
    This morning's mediation...
    I used the Tie-Dye Mandella as Inspiration. (This is not well written as I quickly wrote it out after it happened... trying not to forget anything and I tried to rewrite it but it kept coming out differently and I just wanted to share it with you---as it happened---this is not designed or edited by choice. K, Just wanted ya to know that...I was so glad to see the pictures posted on-line of it at the show (thank you picture posters). It was amazing to see it with the Band and Audience. AMAZING, is what I said as I then began mediating on it. (I won't get to be with it for a few more days). As the mediation began and inspiration began I saw Phil...(Hi Phil) Then the red heart on my Drivers License appeared in my mind (and I just love that red heart---incase you don't know>>it shows that you are a registered Organ Donor). And then I faintly heard Donor Rap (and I just love a spirited Donor Rap). Then the numbers 11/11/10 came to mind...Vetern's Day---this Thursday. Then I began to cry (usually during mediation I do not cry). I then saw my dear friend, Peter. We were kids together and he went off to Desert Storm and Died there. He was an Organ Donor and saved the lives of seven others all over the world with his passing---Double Hero Status! And, I cried some more...I felt great love as I cried and knew everyone he was with I loved them too, I love the flesh AND spirit of people. It was all so profound, really. I was open to it all and was making beautiful connections>>>Then I thought of his Mother who lives to this day and still mourns for her beautiful son, she is in the Gold Star Mothers Club and thinks of him everyday. A Real Mother's Love is Awesome and it does not fade away, this I know, personally. ALL of it was related to love and that was where the mandella was leading me in these passing moments. Love, love, love but what is love I then thought and I shivered awaken from the mediation and it ended there. I knew it was profound and I ran to the dictionary....flipping the pages searching for the defination of love. According to the New Oxford American Dictionary---love is defined as: Love: n. 1 an intense feeling of deep affection. Then it went on and on after that (go and see) until in the same defination itself ended on this note>>>-DERIVATIVES-loveless adj. lovelessly adv. lovelessness n.; loveworthy adj. And then I realized, my mediation just paid off because it seemed---to me...the defination of love has gotten a little tainted along the way by man. To me--- how can loveless even exist anywhere in the defination of love as it is where love is not. And from what I knew a derivative was a mathematics term of somesort. There were alot of other terms defined relating to love there too, again run, run and see. I found the defination of love affair n. 1 an intense enthusiam or liking for something (hmmm almost sounds better than love AND it has enthusiam, tisk tisk, to me.) So, "What is Love?", I asked myself and I decided that it could not be found in a dictionary, at least literally but then shouldn't it literally be in there. I kept reading all about the kinds of love listed there and I found this good stuff...>>> Love-in: n. a gathering or party at which people are encouraged to express feelings of friendship and physical attraction associated with the hippies of the 1960's- ORIGIN 1960's orginally with reference to Californian hippie gatherings. AND I smiled really BIG relieved Love was Real and IT was Defined by the 60's, phew. I sat back into couch relieved that --- that--- was in the dictionary, nice. I closed my eyes and the mandella reappeared in my mind, I took some deep breaths and felt the smiles of the people the madella was made for, so many of them I knew and so many I didn't know... then I felt LOVE & JOY (Ahhhhh) it was mine and I knew that I had it and it would never be destroyed within me, for the rest of my life! I knew it, Love was and is Real, we had, we have it and we always will>>>time could never, would never and has never destroyed it and it is everlasting! (And the mandella lead me there...AMAZING ART and THE GRATEFUL DEAD! The love inside the mandella and the meaning you have put into it...lead me to this moment, thank you so much. Then as I was still on the couch with My Eyes closed, Peter's smiling face appeared in my mind---it was Veterns Day on Thursday and it was on 11/11. And I saw a red heart again...and I gently wept in an intense feeling of deep affection. Signed with love STheGratefulDeadB
  • Canyon Critter
    Joined:
    Chicago One Week Away
    Can't believe it's only a week away for Chicago shows...I sure hope I can make Iowa and St. Louis too wohooooooo. Party Time.♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥
  • Gr8fulTed
    Joined:
    Birdwatcher note
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1s2SFy5NnQ During Jerry's vocals you'll notice he says ..."nut thatch", rather than "nut hatch". Aside from that piece of useless information, Eyes of the World is, perhaps, my favorite song.
  • sherbear
    Default Avatar
    Joined:
    A song to celebrate Today 11/4/2010
    Love is Real. Everyday. It was then and it is now. Love is ALL you Need. Eyes Of The World --------------------(----@ Lyrics By: Robert Hunter Music By: Jerry Garcia Right outside this lazy summer home You ain't got time to call your soul a critic, no Right outside the lazy gate Of winter's summer home Wondering where the nuthatch winter's Wings a mile long Just carried the bird away Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world But the heart has its beaches, its homeland and thoughts of its own Wake now discover that you are the song that the morning brings But the heart has its seasons, its evenings and songs of its own There comes a redeemer and he slowly, too, fades away And there follows his wagon behind him that's loaded with clay And the seeds that were silent all burst into bloom and decay And night comes so quiet, its close on the heels of the day Sometimes we live no particular way but our own And sometimes we visit your country and live in your home Sometimes we ride on your horses, sometimes we walk alone Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own SherBearDeadInASongofMyOwn
  • sherbear
    Default Avatar
    Joined:
    An Honoring Mandela
    Touched my heart! XOXOXOXOXOXOXOX A new beloved treasure of Honor and Art. Excellent! I am looking forward to spending hours and hours with it. Thank you so much! Now Truely I Say... Ladies and Gentlemen... The Grateful Dead. @@@@@@@@@@@ -------------------------(------@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ALL ABOARD WE ARE GOING A LITTLE >>>>>>>> FURTHUR>>>>>>>>>>>> TILL WE ARE ALL...Well, you know. xo
  • Courtenay Pollock
    Joined:
    'Eyes of the World' Backdrop
    Hey ya all! Check out the new 'eyes of the world' backdrop for this Fall Furthur Tour - Hope to see some photos online soon starting next week. Enjoy! http://courtenay-tie-dye.com/eyes-of-the-world-backdrop/
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Forums
Whatever the current version of Furthur is up to, discuss it here!
user picture

Member for

17 years 3 months
Permalink

Early snow is great this fall. Carved up the slopes at Loveland and Beaver Crik earlier this week.C'mon Cowgirl, you don't think Phil or Bobby's been skiing before? Tahoe has so much to offer.
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Bobby and Phil were more snowboarders ;) Ah you know, I just thought it was wild that they pick CO for a random 3 night run... Unless there is more of a tour on the heels? =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Loveland is one of my faves! People always underestimate that place. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

Phil ice skated back in the '90's on tour-don't know about Bobby.....just don't think they've ever skiied, but I'll certainly poke around .......:)))
user picture

Member for

16 years
Permalink

Presale just started for CO shows...click the poster above for the link♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥ Twirly Banner
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

17 years 4 months
Permalink

since I left MSG in the Moonlight,so many days ago now T:::::::::::::::::T and ya know I write more ~ everynight. I should just type it 2 YOU, ALL but I am a little shy, sometimes kinda. I feel like a stranger... so I bought this book and am reading IT to just take the etiquette path to express my appreciation for the 57 great times, we've recently had. It's named: The Art of Thank You Crafting Notes of Gratitude by: Connie Leas Published BY: Fine Communications 322 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10001 There's a, "generous sampling" of "...inspiring thank-you notes" I said, "If you--- threw a PaRty, you would SEE." I'm working on a Proper Note Now. ...I love you so much... so so much... "The Biggest Gift Would Be From Me." Just me and My Imagination. ----------------------(------@ --------------------------(---@ _____________________@ teeheehee I'll make my apprecation known properly...one day. Maybe it will be... My Masterpiece. I am so filled with gratitude Aww shucks... A MILLION BUCKS>>> in Silver. XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO -----------------------------(---@ XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO In lovingkindness always, Sherry
user picture

Member for

16 years
Permalink

Furthur 2011 Dates for March and April Furthur is excited to announce that we'll be touring throughout the month of March into early April, 2011, as we get rolling on what looks to be an exciting year after our initial shows of 2011 in Broomfield, CO in February. Between March 4 and April 6, Furthur will be playing in the following cities: Boston, Wallingford (CT), New York, Fairfax, Philadelphia, Binghamton, Pittsburgh, Hampton, Charleston, Atlanta, Orlando and Boca Raton. Furthur Fan Club pre-sales start January 7. Click HERE for complete tour dates and venues, and please check back here soon for ticket information. We look forward to seeing you on the road in 2011! Happy holidays! Tour Fri, Mar 4th Orpheum Theatre Boston, MA Sat, Mar 5th Orpheum Theatre Boston, MA Sun, Mar 6th Orpheum Theatre Boston, MA Tue, Mar 8th Oakdale Theatre Wallingford, CT Thu, Mar 10th Best Buy Theater New York, NY Fri, Mar 11th Best Buy Theater New York, NY Sat, Mar 12th Best Buy Theater New York, NY Sun, Mar 13th Best Buy Theater New York, NY Tue, Mar 15th Best Buy Theater New York, NY Thu, Mar 17th Patriot Center Fairfax, VA Fri, Mar 18th Tower Theater Upper Darby, PA Sat, Mar 19th Tower Theater Upper Darby, PA Sun, Mar 20th Tower Theater Upper Darby, PA Tue, Mar 22nd Tower Theater Upper Darby, PA Wed, Mar 23rd Tower Theater Upper Darby, PA Fri, Mar 25th Radio City Music Hall New York, NY Sat, Mar 26th Radio City Music Hall New York, NY Sun, Mar 27th Radio City Music Hall New York, NY Tue, Mar 29th Broome County Civic Binghamton, NY Wed, Mar 30th Petersen Events Center Pittsburgh, PA Fri, Apr 1st Hampton Coliseum Hampton, VA Sat, Apr 2nd North Charleston Coliseum Charleston, SC Sun, Apr 3rd Fox Theatre Atlanta, GA Tue, Apr 5th UCF Arena Orlando, FL Wed, Apr 6th Mizner Park Amphitheatre, Boca Raton, FL Sounds like Fun!!!! ♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥ Twirly Banner
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

It will be back to Radio City for me. "That path is for, your steps alone."
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

14 years 2 months
Permalink

european dfates oh well!!!!!!
user picture

Member for

15 years 8 months
Permalink

I live in Las Vegas and have seen Ratdog many times here and Furthur once. Lookin forward to New Years with Furthur in San Francisco!I dont mean to speculate but Bill and Mickey for special guest at a Furthur show would complete the universe. New Years would be perfect. You just KNOW its gonna come true… Still, Furthur is bathing in great success today and the above posts are all right and true. Love to all you grate people peeps graple! smilin' on a cloudy day
user picture

Member for

17 years 3 months
Permalink

Tune in 12/31/10, at 9 central, and rock on satellite radio!!! West coasters will be parting at 7?
user picture

Member for

16 years 11 months
Permalink

Hey now, where is everyone these days? LIning up 2011 show plans? We got tix for 3/4 & 3/6 at the Orpheum in Boston. No luck yet on 3/5, but still waiting for word from DS TOO - hope they come through for us! This is the first time I've tried the mail order route. The online presale was totally hopeless. It is unfortunate that the mail order and general online sales aren't timed far enough apart for you to know whether you've scored on one before you try the other.
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

It seems like our old 2009 Dead tour dead.net pals are not here much any more :( It's good to see YOU though! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

16 years 1 month
Permalink

Just saw for 2011 2 shows in Fla. First one at the new University of Central Florida's Arena. Just opened back in 08 and this a beautiful place to see a show with plenty of parking and lots of room for vending, partying, etc..., just watch out for the campus police, they can be real backward thinking and have a tendency for overreacting. With that in mind, have fun but be safe. Since the band will be skipping North Carolina this spring, I can't think of a better place to be in April, Sun, fun, furthur, definately something better to think about besides all of this snow and cold up here. "Paradise waits....."
user picture

Member for

17 years 3 months
Permalink

Tell me about Mizner Park: it is an outdoor theater? I enjoyed the Miami Bayfront show last year.
user picture

Member for

16 years 11 months
Permalink

Jack: Looks like you have three shows coming up in CO, and I'll bet you're going to all of them - enjoy!Ted & Sam: What about the SC show? Just wondering, I would think that would be a nice warm spring venue as well. We've got tickets for 3/4 & 3/6 at the Orpheum in Boston. It's a small venue that sold out quickly. It's a real Brokedown Palace with lots of duct-taped renovations, but it's only 12 miles from our house, so we would love to be able to do all three shows. Still waiting to see if mail order comes through for us (and if it does, we'll have too many tickets - but better than getting shut out!) I'm surprised there isn't more conversation on this site - The Dead in 09 tour generated so much action, I could barely keep up with it after work. And that was just one tour in one season, where it feels like Furthur is taking us further indeed - a lot to be happy about, especially for folks like me, who got on te bus belatedly.
user picture

Member for

16 years 11 months
Permalink

We went to one of their shows in early Sept at the Hampton Beach Casino (NH) in early Sept, and it was great! Right-up-front forty-dollar tickets in a small-summer venue, too!Would definitely recommend and hope they come back soon.
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Hit New Years in SF and next 3 more in Broomfield .. pretty grateful indeed! Have fun at you shows Rosa! Yes I agree that Rhythm Devils are awesome. Saw them twice last summer with Keller, they were A LOT of fun!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

16 years 1 month
Permalink

is an outdoor facility, alot like the bayfront in Miami, there is absolutely no tailgating at this place and parking will be expensive and iffy. I love south Fla but I will pass on this show, as far as South Carolina, I had a bad experience there and wouldn't set foot in that state for love or money or even free tickets, the cops in this state suck and they will bust you or at least mess with you if you look the least little bit like a head, good luck to any and all going there.
user picture

Member for

16 years 4 months
Permalink

Has anybody else noticed that the Tues, March 8th show in Conn. is on Mardi Gras? Laissez les bons temps rouler!
user picture

Member for

16 years
Permalink

Hey boyz and girlz...LOVE YOU....missed you too. Figured I'd just write everything here, because I assume most people check this thread. I've been under some serious pressures lately, Mom is back in the hospital, and honestly when she was out it was like a full time babysitting job. So, I appreciate all the kind vibes from all you from before, she's doing ok, just not there yet. Also, I've been working on projects @ the same time so I've had to put PRIORITIES ahead of being online and talking to my family. I will be getting everything squared away here in the next couple of days, I really just need to sleep and take a breather from the Chaos of what I've been dealing with. So please don't think that I've forgot about prizes and Getting back online/chatting/talking/vining and talking with all you kind folks. Just know that I've been under EXTREME stress with Mom's Disease and dealing with the game called "Life". Thanks for understanding, and I love you my family....ALOT! In fact without some of my close friends and dead.netters (family freinds) I don't think I'd still be sane right now. Love, Canyon Critter ♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥ Twirly Banner
user picture

Member for

15 years 7 months
Permalink

Sleep in the stars...glad your mother is improving. Galaxies of healing light to you and your mom and family!
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

15 years 9 months
Permalink

We are soooooooo ready for Boston!!!! Babysitters...check.....room...check.....money saved...check....March it happens...Beantown will kick it off. My wife and I are sooo ready to shake our bones and stomp the feet. Thank you Bobby and Phil for bringing us along on this trip...and to Mickey, Billy, Bruce, Donna, Tom and all....gather together one more time....PLEASE!!!!!! So MANY ROADS!!!
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

But 2011 really kicks off with 3 in Broomfield first my friend =) 2 weeks from Friday the train will be rollin on into town!!! Well my mama told me my papa told me too ... "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

16 years 11 months
Permalink

Have a wonderful weekend at the Broomfield shows!
user picture

Member for

16 years 10 months
Permalink

we should petition Sunshine to change her name to something that starts with a J, so they can go back to being aka Bob, Phil and a handful of J's... Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Broomfield Feb 11 immediately!! Enough said. This is shaping up to be their greatest run yet. Wow! This was show #12 for me and I have every show they have played. Something special happened in the 1st Bank Center last night. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

17 years 3 months
Permalink

02/11/11 (Fri) 1st Bank Center - Broomfield, CO Set 1: Jack Straw > Me & My Uncle, Loser, Big River, Must've Been the Roses, Deal (1) > Black Throated Wind, Brown Eyed Women Set 2: Weather Report Suite Prelude > WRS Part I > Let it Grow, Mountain Song > I Know You Rider, Dark Star > China Doll, Playing in the Band, Help on the Way > Slipknot! > Franklin's Tower E: Liberty (2) Comment: (1) with Brother Esau jam; (2) before Liberty, Phil says "This one is for the people of Egypt"
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

I'd rather be in some dark hollowWhere the sun don't ever shine Than to be home alone, knowing that you're gone Would cause me to lose my mind "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

16 years 4 months
Permalink

Just listened to Friday nights show in Colorado, and they sound great! It's getting better all the time. Thanks for putting it on the road again yet one more time! It's so great that at this point in time new people can still come to a show and get what the experience is all about! Party on, everyone!
user picture

Member for

16 years 11 months
Permalink

We got to hear some of it streaming on GD radio Saturday, great show!Furthur's next show - Boston, 3/4/11!
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

14 years 5 months
Permalink

It seems like a perfect venue for Furthur I am surpirsed they haven't played there yet. I am praying for a 3 three night run sometime this summer. Broomfield shows were legendary...loved the 1st set Me and My Uncle!
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Time to start thinking about summer festivals!! Hope there is a Rothbury. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

15 years 7 months
Permalink

I second Gr8fulBrad's emotion: We Canucks are making the trip to Frisco for the Days Between and would LOVE to hear a 3-night run at the Greek Theatre. Pretty please?? (~);)
user picture

Member for

15 years 7 months
Permalink

String Cheese will definitely be playing 2 nights at the "Electric Forest" festival in Rothbury, MI. Not sure about other acts. There are rumours that this is the same weekend as Phish at Watkins' Glen. Ouch.
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

I'm talking FURTHUR in the Electric Forest man!! And Rhythm Devils and Widespread and Yonder along with SCI.. oh what a dream that would be "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

What did you think? I thought second set sizzled. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
user picture

Member for

13 years 11 months
Permalink

To all heads going to this show......I live in this area and would like to inform ALL heads attending. This venue is across the strreet form a police department and jail. 6 UP people.Nothing cool ever happens here & I do not expect much tolernce. I may be wrong. Maybe they want to start having more shows to bring in revenue and will be very tolerant. One can hope, and I have been surprised before. Just thought I would throw it out there.
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Just announced... "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

16 years 11 months
Permalink

I thought it was a wonderful show! The first couple of songs didn't excite me too much, but from Alabama Getaway on, it was all good. The second set was truly amazing!We went to all three Boston shows, and I was lucky to hear a lot of favorite songs I hadn't hear live before: Alabama Getaway, Crazy Fingers, Help>Slip> Franklin, Morning Dew, Tom Thumb's Blues, Mason's Children, Passenger, and St. Stephen. It does seem like they don't always pay enough attention to what they've played in a certain geographical area before. For example, there was only one song at the 11/19/10 Worcester show that I hadn't seen Furthur do before (China Doll), and it was only my fifth Furthur show. And the 3/5 Ripple encore was nice to hear as always, but that was the encore for the 6/30 Lowell show and the 11/19 Worcester show, so it does become a little less special. So I was really glad to get so many tunes in Boston that I hadn't seen them do before.
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Man what a show - A Supplication and a guest appearence from Steve Molitz for an Elevator?? Not to mention the anticapted Here Comes the Sun.. nice, really really nice!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

So did no one tape any of these shows??? Bummer... "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

I echo your comments about the Friday night show. Second set rocked. Glad you enjoyed all three shows. My next taste will be Radio City. I heard Warren Haynes joined the boys for the Second Set last night. Anybody out there have a review. I saw the Allman Brothers Saturday night and Warren absolutely burned the place. It was his night and he was sizzling, especially the first set. However, I never thought he quite meshed during THE DEAD tour a few years ago, so I'm curious if he was able to shine with Furthur. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Anyone get reserved seats in the pre-sale?? What an F'ing joke. I was on right when the clock struck 10 (our time) and every single reserved seat was gone, not 10:05 not 10:01, hell not even 10:00:30. Then you check stub hub and ticketnow and wow there's the tickets in some damn scalper's hand already. How do they do that?? Is it an inside job?? WTF??? It's not right it's just absolutely not right. Rant over. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"