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    Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

    WHAT'S INSIDE:
    6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
    • 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
    • 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
    • 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
    • 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
    Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
    Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
    Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
    Photos by Richie Pechner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

    Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

    "We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

    Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

    The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

    For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

    PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

    Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

    Get it while you can.

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  • Born Cross Eye…
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    KeithFan,With this post I do believe it's very possible that you're Mr. Godchaux' illegitimate child. Or you could be Mr. McKernan's love child, but that would be impossible, because that child was proven to be the 44th President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama, and I don't think you're that man. However, a copy of this forthcoming boxset awaits you in September as with one for me.
  • icecrmcnkd
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    Cash grab?
    You were expecting it to be free? At $10/CD for the Box that’s pretty reasonable. The 44.1 download works out to $6.32/CD.
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    Really looking forward to the first officially released 1973 Bird Song. As some have noted, this one's a doozie, though I haven't heard it (ranks 2nd on Heady Version). Like Hippie Chick, I've had these shows a while now, but never quite pulled the trigger on listening to them (or I turn them off a song or two in). The difficulty starts with a dude on my shoulder who looks just like Keith, whispering "pssst...MeFan...wait for the Full Norman...the Fender Rhodes is going to sound so much better..." But of course he's always offset by the dude on my other shoulder who looks just like Pigpen, whispering "pssst...KeithFan...I forgive you your namesake - the boy can play some piano... but about those unofficial tapes - shake a leg now, you know you want to...quit playing pocket pool, get her leg up against the wall, and listen to those soundboards." To which I say "but Pigpen 'ol buddy, I can't...she so ugly"; but Pig's impatient now; he stops whispering at this point and hollers "well whatchoo wont for a dolla and a quarter?!?"
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    How about some limited edition lithographs of the art signed by First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers himself? Seriously impressed. Would love to frame and hang in the home and/or office. Just a thought. Boxset exceeds my wildest expectations. All-in and thanks to all involved. Be kind out there...
  • Amy from New York
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    I just bought it
    And I was kind of surprised it did not sell out yet, but maybe there are not a lot of deadheads who are fans of the era. After wrestling with myself on whether or not to drop the cash, for maybe five minutes, I realized I would regret not doing so. I love these shows! I can't wait to hear it. I hope my CD player does not fritz out before then. Cheers!
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    Just a "Box of Perfection"
    I believe it and I need it! Thanks Dave!
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    This set is up my street to an absolutely absurd degree -- Splurgegasm!! Ok wow apologies folks! After wiping up that mess, I have taken a few moments to heed Mr. Lemieux' advice and see just what the internet has to show us about Roy Henry Vickers. Oh hoho, we are truly blessed here with this. Nice to see the box remain mostly mysterious, but clearly we are due to receive something amazing and beautiful to both eye and ear. Also, I gotta say it is another piece of Very Good News to hear Nick M. has been tapped again for critical duties. With no slight to Jarnow, Gans, Lemieux, or Walton (or anyone else [Stanley!]), Meriwether's liners are always enlightening and give a great context to the recordings, definitely meriting re-readings. Dang glad there's some appetizers coming through the summer in the way of Dave's Next, the Anthem re/Winterland '67 and the Meetup, otherwise all this anticipation might be just tooo much.
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    very excited!
    I have listened to very little of this era of the Grateful Dead so I am very excited they are putting out some things from this time frame. I can't wait until September to check all of this out for my first time. Just wanted to have another positive comment on here for our boy Dave Lemieux! Keep up the great work buddy, we all appreciate your efforts so very much! Cheers!
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    Yup - knew you were being sarcastic - did not intend my comment to sound overbearing. This is going to be an amazing release. I can't wait to get my hands on it. I love the art, love the Plangent angle, love the setlists. Giddy-up.
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Pacific Northwest ’73-’74: The Complete Recordings Boxed Set

WHAT'S INSIDE:
6 Complete Shows On 19 Discs
• 6/22/73 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 6/24/73 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 6/26/73 Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA
• 5/17/74 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C.
• 5/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR
• 5/21/74 Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA
Mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering
Masters transferred and restored by Plangent Processes
Original Art by First Nations Artist Roy Henry Vickers
Photos by Richie Pechner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000

Includes an immediate digital download of "Eyes Of The World (P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada 5/17/74)"

"We were in the Pacific Northwest...between somewhere in Washington and some other where in Oregon. The road took us to the lip on a ridge, from where we could see around us for many miles in all directions … It was breathtaking to behold, but as we watched, we had a firm realization that we were witnessing something even more beautiful than our eyes could ever take in … Life causes life. Heaven and Earth dance in this way endlessly, and their child is the forest. And so there we were, epiphanously watching that grandest and most glorious dance of life—of which we are just a tiny part—awed by a magnificence without beginning, without end..."

Bob Weir, “Sell Headwaters—Everyone Wins,” San Francisco Chronicle

The Pacific Northwest offers up a rich feast of land, sky, and water. It is ripe with influences, abundant with symbols, deep and spirited. It should, therefore, come as no surprise that the Grateful Dead played some of their most inspired shows on these fertile grounds. It does, however, sometimes take a breath for the elements to re-align years later. It seems for us, they finally have and we are able to present not just a glimpse of the band's extraordinary exploratory tour through the region, but a two-tour bounty as the PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS.

For PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, we've paired two short runs made up of six previously unreleased shows - P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, B.C. (6/22/73); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (6/24/73); Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, WA (6/26/73); P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, Canada (5/17/74); Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74); and Hec Edmundson Pavilion, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (5/21/74). Each show has been mastered in HDCD from the original master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. The transfers from the masters were transferred and restored by Plangent Processes, further ensuring that this is the best, most authentic that these shows have ever sounded.

PACIFIC NORTHWEST ’73-’74: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS comes in an ornate box created by Canada’s preeminent First Nations artist Roy Henry Vickers (more on this tremendous artist soon). To complement the music, the set also includes a 64-page book with an in-depth essay by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether and photos by Richie Pechner.

Due September 7th, this release is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from dead.net. You'll want to grab a copy while you can and sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

Get it while you can.

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Always been a Tigger fan myself.
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Do I like shit too? I think it's a great box, with great sound for great music. The box came to me just two days ago, and I am far from having listened to everything. If there are any defective discs, I will ask for their replacement. But, what a beautiful box! What a beautiful sound! What a beautiful music!
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"Would you like a shmoke and a pancake?" "No?" "A flapjack and a cigarette?" "No?" "All right -- a cigar and a waffle?" "No?" "Pipe and a crepe?" "No?" "Bong and a blintz?" "No?" "Oh, well -- then there is no pleasing you." Personally, I think this box is pure gold. But, hey -- what do I know?
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Apparently......I know I love it!!! Work day is over....spinning Portland 74 vinyl while I wait for the DP 28 announcement.....what will it be? I am thinking '69..... Edit....1976 it is...10 minutes before 10am Pacific...Got mine,Hurry!
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Excited for this one. Capitol Theater. Woo Hoo
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Before everybody shuffles off to the Daves Picks page, I'd like to endorse FiveBranch's recommendation to go see live jazz. I have always been more of a rock n' roll type of guy, but I can't think of a single jazz concert I have attended and come away from disappointed. The last one I saw was earlier this year-the Sun Ra Arkestra under the direction of Marshall Allen-a fantastic show on so many different levels, from the propulsive rhythms to the soloing to the extraordinary presentation. And all this in a Unitarian Church. I seem to enjoy jazz more live than on record/cd-maybe because there is a sense that you are witnessing music that is, to a large extent, being created there and then, as it is being performed. A bit Dead like, in that respect. I always sense that jazz musicians have a greater musical vocabulary than most rock musicians.
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SK - My wife and I typically watch Big Bang or Young Sheldon at dinner with my daughter and after the dvr of YS was done the channel was playing Goldmember and we watched that scene - how ironic. Looking forward to that DaP28 show - always loved that Boston show from the Road Trip series from that same tour...
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I give this Box6 MDJim Steely Dan Stars And 7, yes count them, 7 grumpy unkle Sam poop stains. Excellent Box! And you didn’t even have to subscribe to get it.
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So I'm listening to the fifth show from Portland, and somewhere during Sugaree -- which I was really getting into, the vocals just sort of fade out. I'm currently into El Paso, and the vocals are still far off somewhere. It's pretty much unlistenable. Does anyone else have this issue with this?? Also, on disk one, Wharf Rat sort of skips and cuts out in the end. If this is widespread I'd say that they never should have released it this way. If it's just mine, how can I get replacements? Signed, Annoyed in Deadland
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Concerning voices that "disappear", this comes from the original recording. It can not be helped.
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Hey thanks for that. I do believe the versions I've heard do not do that, but I'll go back and listen. So before I threw a fit I'd figure I'd poll the community. Such a killer box set though. It's a snapshot and study of a very special era in history and I'm pleased with the perspective it brings. Happy listening and keep on truckin'.Signed, Less annoyed in Deadland
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T’is ironic. They’ve been running both “Goldmember” and “The Spy Who Shagged Me” a lot lately. Fine by me though. I never get tired of the Austin Powers trilogy. They make me laugh every time. Psyched about Dave’s 28 as well. I dig the Dead’s 76 vibe, and the Road Trips Boston release gets a lot of play in these parts.
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I don't know if it's my mind wandering during "the drift" but I swear I hear some of the riffs from FOTM during that awesome jamming during the '73 PNE Playing in the Band. Makes sense to test drive new riffs in their embryonic stages during awesome periods of musical tangents during jams. I love finding these tasty musical nugs from this band!
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Great words to live by. My mother in law sees live jazz 3 nights a week and hits the LA Jazz Convention twice a year (May & Oct). She probably hit more shows a week when my father-in-law was still alive (RIP) and she puts out a weekly email to the Boston Jazz community. Got to see some good music with them (Maynard Ferguson a couple of times including his 75th Bday at Ryles in Cambridge. I'm bummed I don't get to see as much live music as I used to. At least we get these wonderful releases from the Dead...
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Jazz is what finally flipped me full-on into Dead worship. I just had enough of all of it - Beatles, Stones, Van Halen, U2... the verse/chorus/verse/bridge middle-eight fucking whatever, then ride out one more time and kick up the maracas and tambo. Jumpin' Jack Flash, etc. Kind Of Blue was my teenage introduction to jazz music, and it remains the penultimate recording of it's type. Dave Brubeck, Cal Tjader, Jimmy Smith, Paris Combo. I love it all. Stan Getz and Art Pepper... holy fuck. Thelonious Monk. Jazz is fresh and you never know what's coming. The Grateful Dead pulled that off in a pop/rock context. Only because of the live recordings. Owsley turned on the world in more ways than one. What a genius... and the term is way overused. No two takes the same. Thousands and thousands of songs endlessly streaming, the soundtrack to my life. I am so lucky. \m/
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may anybody confirm Vancouver 73 is a betty Board?I found a list of tapes returned to the vault. : https://relix.com/news/detail/the_betty_boards_are_now_in_the_grateful_… If Bear was the king, She was the Princess of shows recording. This list does not include Dave 28 ! Disc 9 Seattle 73 : One of the best of shorter versions oF PITB and incredible up tempo LoveEOther. This music is so Good.
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The sound is terrible on my Disc 1. At first the keyboard is not heard at all. Jerry's voice is faint, at best. The drum/cymabls also don't come in good until later. Does Anyone else have this problem with specificallyy this disc (or others)?
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you guys have no sense of humor, I trash the box badly and you all believed me, except a few of you and of course snafu who is all f***ed up. There are some problems yes, but it is an excellent box that I'm glad to have. Here's another one, I just heard that the earth is flat, we didn't go to the moon and that Jerry is still alive, comments? You guys really need to lighten up. If you all had read any of my posts in the past My coda is, any Dead is good Dead. Maybe the way I worded it thru you all? Here's a clue, you can't believe everything you see and hear can you? now if you excuse me, I must be on my way. James Marshal Hendrix
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It's Marshall, like the amps... he was born Johnny Allen no worries, letters missing.... Coltrane's Mr. PC was written for bassist Paul Chambers, not Mr. Paul Caruso of radio station EXP. We know there really are flying saucers because a rounder one was on DaP 23
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I see, US. :)))
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That Relix list is incomplete.It’s missing 7-1,3,5-78 which are reported to be Bettys on the 78 Box site. “With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings” Unless Dave has released a list of what was obtained, we will just have to wait for release announcements. I’m still onboard with Kayak Guy’s suggestion of Plangentizing all the Bettys.
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LedDed: You described my own experience connecting jazz to the Dead, although I'm guessing I got there a while before you did. Reminds me of a conversation I stumbled into in a beer line at the Dead & Co. show at CitiField this summer with a 20-something guy and his girlfriend. We were talking about the Dead's jazz-like approach to improvisation for a while, with the young woman speaking just a little, when he lets it be known that she is the daughter of a prominent jazz musician and grew up listening to his jazz and Dead records. Note that Dead & Co. have been playing Coltrane and Miles Davis during "Space," occasionally, for a couple of years now. As for live vs. studio jazz recordings, all of my favorite studio recordings were made without any kind of overdubs, so you really get the live experience with a very high level of sound quality. And, yes, there's lots and lots of it out there to be discovered.
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As Alain says below, the faults in the mix lie with the original recording, not the cd. A few shows start off with dodgy mixes, but they come right soon enough. The 1974 mixes sound better to me, on the whole-but-word of warning-the voices all but disappear for a few songs on 5/19/74. The quality of the music still shines through, though.
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It's good to know there are still hidden gems in the vault. I agree for 78...
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Perhaps that relix list pertains only to tapes returned to the vault. It does not necessarily mean that there are not Betty’s already in the vault...
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hi there.that list is mine. i made it in 1999 and was the contents of the KNOWN Betty's that were in circulation at that time. They are only a portion of the returned Reels, as many never made it into circulation by 1999. there are other hand written lists, of the scum bags stash that wanted $1,000,000 for his mud covered reels, they are not included in the version that ended up on that Relix page. its a waste to release any of the returned tapes without Plangent processing, you might as well get the WBOTB versions that were digitized in the 1980's when the tapes hadn't starting to deteriorate like they are now.
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Hi Amy, I had the same Disc 1 issue with Wharf Rat. If you look closely you may see a large crescent scuff mark on the outside of that disc. I contacted Customer Service via email with my order number - in fact forwarded my confirmation email when sending and they sent me a form to fill out. I also contacted: drrhinon@wmgcustomerservice.com Dr Rhino responded as well and says it was being taken care of so now I am waiting. I have to say they seem on the ball with making this right so for now giving credit where credit is due. In regards to the vocals cutting out, I think it helps to put it in perspective of how old these tapes are and actually with all things considered how great everything sounds. Many many bands would not put out these performance because of some of the flubs, tape issues, rawness etc... but they do, and when I listen to it all together it puts the brilliance of these shows into another because of the realness of the performance as a whole. I have been most impressed by the overall quality the dead put into their equipment during this time. I am only on Portland '73, but that Bass sound is so good. Being a bassist myself I can certainly appreciate the tone that I am sure took long hours and expert/costly equipment (sometimes built on demand from Alembic) to achieve. Deep but very bright - that's not even talking about the skill it took to mix live, record, and years later remaster. I actually believe the sound of the bass and other overall sounds declined after this period even with new technology. Certainly it can be debated that the quality of performances never returned to this level after the hiatus. So we get some of the Deads best recordings, performances, with their best equipment with this box. Awesome!
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GFY. Trolling is not only all f$%^*d it's juvenile. How old are you? 12? My answer to you is the same don't let the door hit you.
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We're about to embark on a site update that's been in the works in the background for a while now, and that there will be times in the next few days when you can't log in to your community account. This will soon pass, but we don't want you to be blindsided by it. More details here: http://www.dead.net/forum/transition-new-site-temporary-freeze-communit… Thanks, and back to PNW...
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is anybody out there? Having trouble finding where is what. I know this shit will work out, see you on the other side

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Some things are in slightly different locations. What are you looking for?
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Welcome back! Whether you're new here or a longtime resident of Dead.net, you may want a bit of assistance getting your bearings. In the navigation bar at the top of the page: The Store is the place for official Grateful Dead merchandise. It's the place to order things, and also launching pad for a lot of lively discussion, mostly in the thread for the most recent release. Archive includes photos, artwork, memorabilia, etc. from the Grateful Dead's long history. News is the place for announcements from Dead.net Dead 101 has information about band and family members Community is home to tape trading, tour tales, ticket exchange, numerous discussions and recommendations of everything from bands to books, and more. But wait, where did that feature go? Looking for Chat? Recent Posts? You'll find them in a menu that appears if you hover your cursor over your avatar photo up there in the upper right. If you get confused... Listen to the music play. But if that doesn't help in the moment, send a PM to marye and we'll do our best to assist. Thanks!
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Lets see if pics and videos work...

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..well, it doesn't seem to allow us to embed videos and pictures but apparently we can post links. I am guessing the intent was to make it safer and less prone to the rampant ruskie hackers that used to roam these threads. Progress I guess.

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Clicking on the avatar photo link doesn’t work on a mobile phone. And the drop-down arrow on the photo doesn’t work either. Just want to let you know. Thanks.

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I do not know how to send you a PM on the new site.

With the Safari browser, hovering over the avatar does not bring up any menu.

My avatar has changed since the change of the site, I wonder why.

When I want to restore my avatar with the Firefox browser, at the bottom of my profile editing page the SAVE button does not react.

Excuse my english, I'm french.

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Buenos ding-dong-diddly dias, senor.

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Messaging seems to be a bit impaired at the moment but the fine tech folks are aware of the issue and dealing with it. Meanwhile, thanks to you and the other folks for reporting issues as you find them.
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This place doesn't swank and swing like it used to... Comments and conversations were central to the old dead.net, they are buried under the glitz in the new house. I hope they change that, but I am not holding my breath.

They put a whole lot of work into this and I think they did a great job.. but they buried user comments a bit, they are no longer central which is a shame.

Oh well, no bother.. be good all, play dead.

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Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) just came over the randomizer, 10/20/68 from the Greek (30 Trips box). If you act, as you think...

I think the site looks great, and it won't be long before most of the old guard return.

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Around 3020.....

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I'll be wearing mine tonight for Bob and Wolf Bros. in Santa Barbara. Mrs. Big and I will be in row G, in case any of you folks want to meet up!

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....im sure it'll take some getting used to, but at first glance, I'm not much of a fan. But the only thing that doesn't change is change.... where's my avatar?🤔. Where's Dave's Picks? 🤔. Why is the background so white? 🤔. We do have emojis tho, so that's cool 👌✌️

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I'm sure it will get better, but you have to open up new windows to get to more than 10 comments, then it's just 10 per page, not helpful when you can't check in every day. Also, the Dave's Picks are the main reason I visit. The box sets are one or two per year, but Dave's is the main conversational hub. Disappointing that that page is non-existent so far, and a release is about to hit, how am I expected to know whether to love it or hate without the discussion that will invite vitriol and passion over 42 year old tapes? But seriously, monotonous and exhausting though those conversations can be, it's also a hive of musical recommendations, reading recommendations, and occasionally awesome stories of Dead shows, and/or synchonicities. Any update on when that gets added?

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I could complain about a few things, but everyone else seems to have covered it. It is definitely way too white. I liked the old Deadnet page with the space and planets to click on, that was a nice one to look at, this one, not so much.
Hopefully, another ten years on this site. I'm not going anywhere except out for a smoke.

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