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    Dave's Picks Volume 28: Capitol Theatre, Passaic, NJ, 6/17/76

    This year's Dave's Picks series comes to a close just as the band's getting back together again in '76. By the time the Grateful Dead hit New Jersey’s Capitol Theatre - for the very first time - on 6/17/76, they were buzzing from their reunion, armed with new and revived material, the Rhythm Devils reformed with the mischievous Mickey Hart once again behind the kit. They'd skived off the unwieldy Wall of Sound and scaled back the venues from cavernous arenas to intimate theatres. Quite the treat!

    During the first set, the Dead's playing was nuanced ("Cold Rain And Snow"), detailed ("Looks Like Rain"), and intricate ("The Music Never Stopped"); the singing struck softly ("Row Jimmy") and raised hairs ("Ship Of Fools"). But it’s the big barreling energy of the second set you’ll want to brace yourself for, replete with a disco'd "Dancing In The Streets," a low-down funky “Help”>”Slip”>”Franklin's” and a wind 'em up to wind down "Let It Grow">"Wharf Rat">"Around and Around." Can you keep up? There's only one way to find out.

    This complete show, balanced out with a couple of bonus tracks from 6/23/76 and 6/28/76, was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    Dave's Picks Volume 28 is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    Grab a copy before they're gone, gone, gone.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #261
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    When something is wrong...

    The recent epidemic of malfunctioning discs should not be ignored or dismissed with comments like "It will all come good in the end." It should not have gone so badly wrong in the first place and Rhino should be left in no doubt that their market finds this unacceptable.

    Whether or not it has anything to do with cost cutting is something Rhino is unlikely to divulge. That the discs are noticeably thinner and more flexible than the norm and that they are made in Mexico may or may not contribute to the problem, but most sentient beings could put 2 and 2 together and get 4 as the answer.

    To dismiss complaining about this situation as endless whining seems so absurd that it seems aimed purely at provoking a reaction. I hesitate to use the "T-word" but how else should it be described.

    My message to Rhino is: Give us quality products for our money. Surely this is not too much to ask?. What may be too much to ask is for the elusive Dr. Rhino to post an explanation of what has gone amiss recently, but it would be a nice gesture to those having so much trouble trying to resolve issues that they have with recent releases that came to a head with Dave's Picks Volume 28.

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    In praise of speaking out

    As I understand it, the people who speak out against receiving a poor quality service make more of a positive contribution to the culture surrounding the product in question than those who don't. Surely, if a profit making organisation can make more profit by cutting costs, they will do so. If, in cutting costs, the quality of the product deteriorates, then it is up to everyone who purchases that product to point out what has happened, with a view to rectifying the situation. If they care about what they are buying, that is.
    Hopefully we have got way past the point where we are mere passive recipients.

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    Happy Day After New Year everyone!!....

    .... sorry I'm late, but to say I tied one on New Year's Eve would be an understatement. Didn't wake up until noon yesterday, and no, I didn't wake up to find out that I was the eyes of the world. I woke up looking for my Excedrin. Here's to a grate 2019 for everyone! Dave's Picks so far sure don't hurt very long..... shameless plug into this!!....
    https://youtu.be/r0oY7OEg4Ik
    ....the chills start at the 15:00 mark. The chills peak at 16:45. There's an I Know You Rider in there trying to escape. Sploooooosh....then it gets really dark, and really weird. I couldn't have asked for anything more.

  • #264
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    Where's Bolo?

    Have not seen a post from Bolo in a long time. Maybe concides with this release and the defective CDs?

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    It's your incessant complaining Sam

    Lol, no I don't work for Rhino. But that's telling, that you think a rhino employee would talk to a customer like that. It just shows how out of touch you are, and belligerent toward the system. The reason I posted my comment is because you are a drag. If it were one time that would be one thing, but you complain about everything, all the time, multiple times. That's reason number one that I posted. You are a buzz kill.

    Reason number two is that I don't want you to f*** it up for those of us who don't think that the occasional exchanging of discs is worth sandbagging the organization that brings us all of this great music. It has never taken me more than an email thread to resolve a product defect. I'm talking mere minutes. You on the other hand make it sound like they're pulling your fingernails out, repeatedly, about the same damn thing. I consider myself a stakeholder and you drive down the stock every time you shoot off your loud mouth. So no need to guess about my motives, you have them right here.

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    Caveat emptor

    Included on Dick’s Picks to let you know that they weren’t studio recordings and the tapes might not be in the best condition.
    Probably should have used it on the PNW Box to warn that Wall of Sound shows often start with fiddling of the controls to get it just exactly perfect. Seems that a lot of people think they have defective discs because the vocals drop out.

    Now disc skipping, that’s a legitimate defect.

    A new caveat emptor is now needed to warn that your CDs might contain skips.
    My replacements of DaP28 CD3 are supposedly in transit but, based on the post from Judysparty, I’m wondering about the quality of the redo. If it still skips on Let It Grow then that would suggest that the negative used for pressing is defective and wasn’t replaced.
    At this point I wonder if they even still physically stamp a blank, or if they just bought a couple hundred duplicators and now just burn discs.

    My past defects:
    5-5-77 CD2
    8-24-72 CD3

    Golden Road and Beyond Description Boxes (I didn’t try to get replacements):
    Skull Fuck, Dead Set, and another that I don’t remember at this moment.

    And a weird one with Road Trips v1n2+bonus where it plays fine on the stereo but has many skips when copied to a hard drive. I used two different computers and burners and both copies had skips and dropouts, but in different places. After making 5 copies I was able to piece together the good fragments and get a copy on my music player.

    Rockin’ the Rhein:
    CD3 was missing.

    Other people have reported other problems over the years that I never experienced. But, it seems that the frequency and overall number of defects is increasing.
    That’s not a good sign.

    I forgot who said it below, the box cutter blues may have been annoying, but at least the CDs were not defective.

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    I was acknowledging a previous post and I also have been buying literally hundreds of discs and I can only go by what has transpired in the past with what is transpiring now. So, you do what you want to, no one told you to do anything that you don't want to do. You go ahead and blindly purchase your product and I will wait till the reviews come in and we will see who is the happier for it. I guess you have all the time in the world to chase defective disc replacements, I do not. I agree with you that most problems are corrected and Marye is the best person for getting that done. I also agree that you have every right to disagree with what I said, but your tone is rather harsh, do you work for rhino? I know in the past there were no problems with disc, then, all of a sudden, there are, what would you contribute that to? I never mentioned Mexico or inflated costs so where that came from is anybody's guess, I did state that I missed the good old days when Grateful Dead products were made in the USA, yes, and that is true, I do miss those days, but don't try and put words into the conversation that I never said. Also, if you don't think that rhino is making a rather substantial profit from these sales, than you are delusional. Finally, I stated that I would gladly pay more for a quality product, so no one was bitching about the cost, again, you jumped to your own conclusion which is way off base and just, well, wrong. I stand by what I said and if you don't like it, oh well, some folks just can't connect the dots as you put it. I do know one thing, I don't care what you think about my outlook or my grasp of reality, which, by the way, is your opinion, which is wrong again. I don't follow the limited 2 per order comment, but you started to ramble then and the rest is gibberish. I can tell by your demeanor that something I said pissed you off, might it have been the wall/bridge comment? Anyway, something I said upset you and for that I say sorry, but I call them like I see them. 2019 is going to be a great year for me, and my outlook is nothing but positive, and based in a brighter reality than you seem to have and I will continue to speak my mind even if you try and tear me down, "bro"

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    Yawn, give it a rest Sam

    You assume too much. Like for example, how do you know that the problem stems from the discs being made in Mexico is the reason there is a problem? You don't know that making them in the USA will solve anything. And how do you know that the defective disc issue resulted from a move to increase profit at Rhino (and NOT a move to prevent cost increase to the buyer?)

    I've purchased literally hundreds, probably over a thousand Grateful Dead discs from Rhino at this point, and have had very few problems. The problems I have had in the past have been resolved by either Customer Support, marye, or Dr. Rhino.

    Go ahead and cut off your nose to spite your face if you want, but I for one, recognize how fucking good we have it, to be able to purchase all of this music at normal prices. And the prices are normal, you just have to buy in bulk to make the system work. So don't bitch about their profit or what you're paying either.

    You see that sign that says "Limited 2 copies per order?" That's Rhino listening to the people, so get that straight in your head too bro.

    You'd be a much happier person with a more positive outlook, not to mention one that is better set in reality, because you do connect a lot of dots on assumption. Maybe 2019 will be a better one for you.

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    January 2, 1970, Fillmore East was my first Grateful Dead concert. 49 years ago today. I remember it quite clearly. How much tickets cost ($4.50, $5.50), where our seats were, the light show, the opening bands, thus spake zarathustra, the scene on the street. "If I told you all that went down it would burn off both your ears". 12/31/81 was my first New Years Eve Dead concert. Wild times. Thank you Ken Kesey. As for the quote "If you remember the 60s you weren't there", is inaccurate and misleading. And I love Robin Williams and Grace Slick. As for defective discs, some of you remember the 1972 Rolling Stone interview with Jerry Garcia when he talked about defective Skull and Roses vinyl that skipped and how it pissed him off. The Dead have always stood for high quality. Get it together Rhino. Happy New Years.

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    Was my second NYE, the first one I had any idea what was going on (first show 12/31/80), and it was and is one of my all time favorites.
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Dave's Picks Volume 28: Capitol Theatre, Passaic, NJ, 6/17/76

This year's Dave's Picks series comes to a close just as the band's getting back together again in '76. By the time the Grateful Dead hit New Jersey’s Capitol Theatre - for the very first time - on 6/17/76, they were buzzing from their reunion, armed with new and revived material, the Rhythm Devils reformed with the mischievous Mickey Hart once again behind the kit. They'd skived off the unwieldy Wall of Sound and scaled back the venues from cavernous arenas to intimate theatres. Quite the treat!

During the first set, the Dead's playing was nuanced ("Cold Rain And Snow"), detailed ("Looks Like Rain"), and intricate ("The Music Never Stopped"); the singing struck softly ("Row Jimmy") and raised hairs ("Ship Of Fools"). But it’s the big barreling energy of the second set you’ll want to brace yourself for, replete with a disco'd "Dancing In The Streets," a low-down funky “Help”>”Slip”>”Franklin's” and a wind 'em up to wind down "Let It Grow">"Wharf Rat">"Around and Around." Can you keep up? There's only one way to find out.

This complete show, balanced out with a couple of bonus tracks from 6/23/76 and 6/28/76, was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Dave's Picks Volume 28 is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

Grab a copy before they're gone, gone, gone.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by crussak on Mon, 10/29/2018 - 22:12

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Just got my copy in the mail today. Spun the first disc absolutely loved it, but CD #1 skips on Promised Land. Made sure it was clean, all to no avail. Went to Disc #3, and it gets stuck on Wharf Rat. Errrrr! How frustrating. Really poor Quality Control. Hope Customer Service will help in the morning.

Yea it's a little weird, anybody from Rhino on these boards want to send out or post what was initially intended for this release

Going to Chicago for Bob Weir and Wolf Bros Halloween , Might As Well take this for the ride

Eyes of the World -> Drums -> The Wheel ~ Capitol Theater

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Submitted by unkle sam on Tue, 10/30/2018 - 05:58

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and it looks like it was run over by the ups truck, no marks on the outside packaging, just the inside product looks like they used it for 3 point shots. Really not impressed with quality control here, just more of the same bad packaging and bad product. And it seems to be getting worse.

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Submitted by Pelts on Tue, 10/30/2018 - 06:48

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That’s three Dave’s Picks in a row with Help>Slip>Franklins sequence and I love it! Wonder why Disc three of DP 28 has lots of issues. Mine has a nice cut on the edge but doesn’t appear to affect play.

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Submitted by Trainwrecked on Tue, 10/30/2018 - 07:28

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Yeah somebody mention the other day it was the third release in a row with help slip Franklin . That's awesome how they went from 1 to 4 of that ever so necessary piece of dead history that they rarely played after 1976 . I never understood that . what can I say it's awesome so far. The sound quality is top-notch. V guy I also think the music never stopped is special. They haven't quite gotten into that extended Jam that they do at about three and a half minutes once they get into the late 77 1978 period, but this is definitely one of the best early versions I've heard. Donna Jean just lights the place up. I love her. Romantically. I think cold rain and snow sounded best in 1972 and 1976, and this one is no exception. Ironic that Dave titled his article Paradise Waits, and Jerry kinda mumbled through that lyric. I was never too much of a 1976 van until Dave's Picks 18 came out. At that point I had never heard road trips 4.5, and between those two and this one there is some fantastic 1976 going on. I get why people think it's slower. Because they pick so many slow damn songs in the setlist, holy mackerel. Still, it's a nice change of pace in my book. I couldn't be happier with this pick from Dave. Still scratching my head about the William & Mary show. It seems like the recordings were better in June and July. I thought the Cobo Hall Show from 30 trips sound atrocious. And yes, Donna does also sound great on the Wind and The Willows.

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Submitted by CaseyJanes on Tue, 10/30/2018 - 07:45

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It is odd that they would choose articles from Portland, however the booklet inside the CD cover adds a little clarity. The Portland shows on June 3rd and 4th were the first shows of this tour following the hiatus, which make the articles a fitting intro for shows on this tour. The first article is also quite funny, which makes it worth putting in the liner notes. The author doesn't seem much of a deadhead, nor much of a rock and roll fan. She probably felt a little out of place at that show! I quote:

"The excruciating volume and resulting sound distortion usually found in hard rock music were noticably absent during the Grateful Dead set, and the improvement in the audience rapport was unmistakeable. There was far less fidgeting and roaming around the lobby than is usual for a rock concert"..........."A highlight of GD's first set was "Keep on Dancing," (TMNS I assume...LOL) an audience favorite with the crowd. The percussion effects and Donna's vocals were superb in "Wind In The Willows". (aka Scarlet Begonias)

The second article is much better written, and the author seems to be a little more knowledgable about the scene IMO. I will let you all read it for yourselves, along with the inner booklet for the connecting thoughts by Dave. Some nice words about BCJ in there and a couple more articles about the tour.

Overall, a nice selection of articles from around the country at this time, which bring to light the level of excitement that this tour brought to deadheads across the land. Not to mention the mix, and sound quality, is about as close to perfect as you can get. I love this release, and after three listens, without a doubt, my favorite Dave’s Pick release of the year! Thanks DL, JN & TPTB for continuing to provide the goods!!

Loud and proud Dead People!

KCJ

I haven't received the Pick yet, but I would agree that the above triptych is always welcome. Music Never Stopped has stood the test of time quite well for me, too, especially in these early years of performance.

Maybe a good time to dust off Blues For Allah in preparation. One of their best studio albums-in fact the best one they made after American Beauty. In my opinion.

I have to agree, Daverock.. I recall vividly my first listens to that album. In fact.. it became the soundtrack for the summer. To this day it still sounds fresh and has something left to say.

It has 2 small green/blue specks imbedded in the plastic. I washed it but they did not come off. Will see how it plays. I expect the specks to cause skipping.
Will play all 3 CDs before contacting the good Dr.
CD1 sounds good so far, just finishing TN Jed.

Now, how ‘bout some reCAPTCHA word/picture association quizzes......

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 10/30/2018 - 16:32

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Got me some reCAPTCHA crosswalks. Those are clearly the most popular.

The thing about these reCAPTCHA exams is that they generate data for AI programming so that in the future your personal robot butler can take and pass the reCAPTCHA exams for you, and you can just kick back on the couch listening to GOGD.

Well, I just got crosswalks, I’m hoping for storefronts next.

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Submitted by Mind-Left-Body on Tue, 10/30/2018 - 16:37

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This is just way too different and uninviting.

Just wanted to say thanks Dave, thanks Mary, thanks Dr rhino.

Donna should not sing backup vocals on Wharf Rat. Not because I think it sounds bad, but I think because it sounds better with just Jerry like it was from 71 to 74. Same goes for Ramble On Rose and Sugar Magnolia. And Uncle John's Band. But yes, I love looking at those little........

I don't care what era it's played, H>S>F sounds like a party every time I hear it. The blend of sounds and styles just always get me in a good mood. Slow tempo, fast tempo-all good to me. I love it from 1976, I love it from 1994 (10/1/94 opener is full of great energy). I know they played it 95, just struggling to remember when!

This is a really cool release-really enjoying it and hoping for more June 76 in the years to come...

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Submitted by Guss West on Tue, 10/30/2018 - 17:44

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Yes, this HSF is "Vary Noice".

I had a defective disc 3 as well. Cracked!

Use ad-blockers to defeat the captcha monsta.
I just have to click a single box, once.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 10/30/2018 - 19:34

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....if I just leave tabs open on Chrome and revisit them, I can get to say, what I want to say, when I want to say it. And I will say this. Paradise Waits. Booga booga. And who doesn't love a tight Slipknot! (?).....ALL CAPS! (as in the Capitol Theatre). I've got like four dead.net tabs open on my phone at all times. My phone isn't smarter than me, even though the women might be.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Tue, 10/30/2018 - 20:17

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In case you're wondering: 3-29 and 5-26...maybe another or two?

That's pretty much what I have been doing.. keeping the pages open. I don't have to pick my way through the sidewalks, street lights and crackhead captcha's.

I recommend taking two. Don't call me in the morning, but feel free to post about it tomorrow night.

Edit: Oh.. and if things get really weird.. play Dicks Picks 36 in it's entirety.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 04:44

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50 years ago tonight the MC5 recorded their classic Kick Out The Jams album at the Grande Ballroom Detroit. One of the most explosive live albums of all time.

Also recommended is guitarist Wayne Kramer's recently published biography, "The Hard Stuff". From a time when rock n' roll, the way the MC5 played/lived it, was a revolutionary act.

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Submitted by hbob1995 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 10:31

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I listened to this latest release once so far and liked it. Some complain that '76 is too slow but I find the sound here, besides being really clear, is sort of nice & relaxing. A more laid back approach then the coke fueled DaP27. I like it.

Rock on

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Submitted by seabird17 on Wed, 10/31/2018 - 21:48

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The Circus is BACK in TOWN
too many Clicks to the ... whatever
Keep walking your dogs and cats

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 07:06

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This release is really good. Sound is great and what a performance.

If you don't have it yet, I highly recommend Live at The Cow Palace, 12/31/76. 16 track Plagent Release. Unbelievably great sound and show.
Also, Dick's 20 from September 76, two great shows, with some nice surprises!

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Submitted by FiveBranch on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 16:50

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These releases will hold up well down the road for audiophiles. For the very same reasons vinyl is back in town. While not perfect, the format has uniqueness. That subtle waver you hear from time to time, those glissading cymbals, the slight boxiness of the bass, its all likable character. Je ne sais quoi, as one might say in Lille. And very era specific. On a good system, it's easy to imagine the source reel mounted up and spooling across the playback head, cases stacked up to the side.... an imagined physicality. Creates a tactile relationship with the listener. Can't find that in digital recordings!

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 18:54

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I like everything about this release except the skips. Gave this a second listen this afternoon and again found Franklins to be a highlight and the skips in LLR, LIG and Wharf Rat to be a real downer. Waiting to hear back from Dr. Rhino/customer support on replacement discs for this release and a still waiting to receive a replacement disc from the PNW box. Really a shame as this is a great release and I am a fan of the slow '76 shows.
Edit: LIG, not WRS. Oops.

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Submitted by MDJim on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 20:03

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Late to the party.. and happy belated Halloween to all.

I finally got a solid listen to DaP 28 yesterday.. all alone in a somewhat remote canyon nearby. I took most of the day off and was outside the reach of cell phones and really anyone. A great day.

Love this release.. This and #26 to my ears are the strongest of the year but man did this exceed expectations. Really, really good.

Not an effort to compare shows.. but I am comparing my first listens.. this sounded as good both sonically and from a performance perspective to the first time I heard DaP 12, Colgate University 77. What a great sounding board, happy to see this get released. I hope you all enjoyed it as much as I did.

Trip or treat? Lets just say I was not dipping into the candy jar. :D

Favorite Halloween show, easy.. 10/31/71. Enjoyable under the radar honorable mention, 10/31/85 and 10/31/80 (well that one not so under the radar, but....).

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 20:52

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Don't forget 10-31-91! That one is supremely heavy and up there with the all-time Halloweeners...

The entire Halloween panoply: '69, 70, 71, 79, 80, 83, 84, 85, 90, 91...Did I miss one or two? There are some JGB ones in there too I'm certain to be missing...

For an Halloween Treat, try 10-28-77 Candyman (the holiday vibe is there)

-edit- Trip or Freak
https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1977/10/28/candyman?source=91026

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Submitted by MDJim on Fri, 11/02/2018 - 05:52

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I haven't listened to this yet.. it has slid under my radar until now. I will have to get to it.

Holy cow what a setlist! One of the better things about this site is getting shown the light on shows (and other music).

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 11/02/2018 - 08:17

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I always thought that one was smack dab right in the center of the Radar.

Many thanks to you as well, Jim for all of your astute observations and help over the years.

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Fri, 11/02/2018 - 08:36

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You all know I fully support ole Brucey and his myriad contributions to this band. The Halloween show in 1991 is no exception and I fully concur with it's greatness. If memory serves there is a great Help>Slip>Franks to open; and equally fun Scarlet>Fire (complete with cool midi-transition) and a pretty monstrous Dark Star with some Ken Kesey rapping in response to the very sad event of Bill Graham's recent passing at the time...

A fine contender for a '91 release IMHO.

Be well People.
Sixtus

p.s. about 2 1/2 listens through this wonderful seventy-six(tus) release and I truly dig the TMNS/Scarlet in set 1 as well as pretty much all of the second set. Still waiting for 6/11/76....one fine day perhaps.

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Submitted by spinbackwards on Fri, 11/02/2018 - 10:16

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I love this one.
Love it.
Donna sounds great. Jerry's voice is silky smooth.
Love it.

Peace and love,

How about 10/31/90 in London? I was there at that one, and it opened with a great-well it seemed great at the time-Help-Slipknot-Franklins. Musically, this show may have been the best of the three they played in London in 1990. This Halloween date was the middle show-and the following night we were treated to Dark Star. But despite the heavy hitters on these last two nights-the show I enjoyed the most was the first- a great, great night. Just the atmosphere, having a seat right close to the stage, the interpretation of the songs-even ones I wouldn't necessarily list as favourites. Just goes to show you cant judge a show by its song list.

I am really digging this mighty fine Seventy Six release as well. It might just be my favorite of the year.

I dare not give a thumbs up five stars for fear of public flogging (not that there's anything wrong with a little public flogging or being tarred and feathered from time to time)..

But this show to my ears seriously rocks. It has all the right stuff including a stunning mix and recording.

Have a great weekend all.. live dangerously, live large, enjoy.

On an ending note, I appear to have it another day without being a robot and my credit card company seems sure I am still alive. Bonus.

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Submitted by Shwishywood on Fri, 11/02/2018 - 13:51

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Amazing release. Don't post much but man seriously digging this one. Great dovetail into the Swing too!

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Submitted by CaseyJanes on Fri, 11/02/2018 - 13:58

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I don’t know Jim, I think you should just go for it for sure!

5 Old Steely Dan Stars for me!

Been listening to some 84 today....Ashes, Ashes all Fall down indeed!

I’ve said it before, 10-31-91 should have been in 30 Trips and 9-10-91 should have been an unlimited release so that everyone could enjoy Branford.

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Submitted by muleskinner_blues on Fri, 11/02/2018 - 18:29

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New Site

PNW Show #4 (it's Nobody's Fault But Mine)

Dave's 76 (Single Barrel)

Dylan: More Blood, More Tracks (Only four hours in..death kept followin, trackin us down, at least I heard your bluebird sing)

Lions and Tigers and Bears! Oh my. People come and go so quickly here..

Damn the man, Save the Empire.

I woke up on the roadside
Daydreamin bout the way things sometimes are
Hoof beats pounding in my head
At breakneck speeds and makin' me see stars
You hurt the ones that I love best
And cover up the truth with lies
One day you'll be in the ditch
Flies buzzin' around your eyes.....

Blood on your saddle

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Fri, 11/02/2018 - 18:40

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I agree with others' assessment of this show. Great show, I have had a nice sounding SBD for a while. It didn't happen too often where one show has a Help > Slipknot > Franklin's, a Scarlet > Fire, and a Dark Star. Now a show can't always be judged by the set list but this is well played. I love the Standing on the Moon, and Tom Thumb Blues is always treat. The Kesey rap is poignant and chilling at the same time too. I would be all about seeing this getting an official release. I wouldn't care if it is the next Dave's after The Swing, or just a plain old vault release.

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Fri, 11/02/2018 - 18:56

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Segueing from 10-31-91 to the main topic, Dave's 28, I have to say I am really enjoying it. I spinning it now, and I am finally able to give it a good listen. I have listened to it 2 times prior, but under less than regular conditions ( @ work). Sound is great, playing is great. 1976 shows have grown on me over the years; I can't believe I was initially somewhat dismissive of shows from this year when I first got into tape trading. I think the playing during this year as a whole is stellar even if it may be slower and less jammed out at times. For Dave's 28 the sound is so good that I am actually noticing the drum interplay a little more than usual. Along with tunes, and the extended hiatus, I know the return of Mickey is often brought up for this year. I think it is nice to hear how all of this played out, and to my ears it played out well. Although I will likely never own Dave's 4 due to the insane secondary market prices (subscribe!), I need to pick up the download of 6/18 to round of the rest of Dave and Co has given us. I will keep my fingers crossed for a 6/19 release one day too.

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Submitted by marye on Sat, 11/03/2018 - 08:47

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Funny, I stopped at about the four hour point too. But Idiot Wind Take 4 (both versions) is worth the price of the whole box set, especially since I've been trying to get it back since about 1978 when the bootleg vanished.
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Submitted by muleskinner_blues on Sat, 11/03/2018 - 08:52

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Got it, just sent you one back.

I'll probably finish my first pass through More Blood today, it's been great so far. You're not going to see as much tinkering as on The Cutting Edge, alot of those songs he was basically writing in the studio. But the singing, especially on the ones with just him and his acoustic, is fantastic. Really can change the mood of a song just by how it's performed.

The stuff with the Deliverance Band fiddling through different versions of You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome and the blues numbers was cool too.

Listening to the new Dave's in the car, I like the '76 They Love Each Others. the slow plodding, random two-drummer clanking seems to work something special with that song.

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Submitted by muleskinner_blues on Sat, 11/03/2018 - 08:58

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Yes! I love the Idiot Winds.

I was giving my thoughts to a friend earlier on the NYC vs. Minneapolis takes. I think If You See Her, Say Hello and You're A Big Girl Now are infinitely better in the NYC. Going the other way, I find the NYC Lily Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts to be interesting and kind of a different animal as a folk ballad, but it's tough to beat the drive on the Minneapolis/album version.

Idiot Wind and Tangled Up In Blue are their own thing. I think the NYC and the Minneapolis ones for those two are essentially different songs, both essential. If I had to pick, I'd take NYC Tangled but Idiot Wind is tougher. It's just a whole different animal than the album version.

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Submitted by Mr. Jack Straw on Sat, 11/03/2018 - 09:26

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Just completed my first listen to DaP28. I'm probably not the most unbiased reviewer since '76 isn't my cup of tea. The Help > Slip > Franklin's is (as expected) the highlight of this release, one of the few sequences where they don't sound hesitant. I also enjoyed much of the Scarlet, but these '76 versions are just screaming to be linked with Fire. Without it's younger brother, the jam just kind of loses direction.

For me, it's a B- show, that becomes a C- when compared to other Dave's Picks. Its certainly not a bad show, but I can't think of something that I'll come back to with any frequency. Maybe disc 2. The only pick I can say with certainty that it outpaces is DaP 20, but at least that one has a rip-roaring Satisfaction that makes it a bit of a novelty.

Bring on the Swing.

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Submitted by Dennis on Sat, 11/03/2018 - 09:36

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ONE of my fave off that album. Comments by Marye and Muleskinner now have me hot for it. Volume 13 really blew me away with all the different cuts/arrangements.

...you'll never know the hurt I suffered, nor the pain I rise above and I'll never know the same about you...

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Submitted by Seth Hollander on Sat, 11/03/2018 - 11:53

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The first is the "Billy alone is so good, why bring Mickey back?" narrative that has bounced around these comment threads for a few years now. Like GratefulHan, I really noticed the drummers on this release. I think this release really shows what made the band like having Mickey back. The drum interplay is SWEET!
I do agree with those that say Billy sounded wonderful alone, though.

The second is "why do the discs have playback issues?". The Birdsong on my copy of PNW Best Of had the skip at 13:39 that several people mentioned. And now my copy of DaP28 has a skip in the Let It Grow that at least two other commenters have mentioned. One commenter mentioned 2-3 other skips I don't have and many previously mentioned skips in other releases haven't been heard by me, so I believe my CD machine (a Yamaha C600) is pretty skip-resistant, but the skips are getting to me these days.
A worrisome trend.

10/31/91 is fantastic and would be a lovely DaP. Let's have 2 Dark Star DaPs in 2019!

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