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    Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

    When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    Good morning dead people....if you haven’t ordered your copy of deadhead stories, I would do so quickly. As of yesterday there were only 60 copies left. It is very well done, with 11x8.5 color, and over 300 pages of awesome stories. Got mine on last Monday and already 1/3 of the way through. By far my favorite book about the Dead so far. There is one Grate story about the 2nd group to get in line for The Closing of Winterland...5 days early! By the time the show started the line was around the block!!!!!

    Link to deadhead stories site to order is here. All proceeds go to Charity.

    https://deadheadstories.org

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    Great story-thanks. Almost makes me wish I lived in America!

    Listening to 7/1/78 from the 1978 box set as I type. This was the one where the Dead played with many other bands as part of "Willie Nelsons Picnic", so its a single set show. But its got some great playing on it. Estimated is the highlight for me-great jamming leading into The Other One. Minimum slide show - it doesn't detract from a great Tennessee Jed, if you factor it out, and actually sounds quite nice and mournful leading out of Playing in the Band. Less is more, as they say. Great Jerry guitar in Wharf Rat, now, too- hey, this show is really alright!

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    ....it's all about timing. If you snooze, you lose. Fact checking from Vguy, who has spent more time in lines because he pushed the envelope. Nobody's Fault But Mine....

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    The Buttons, then the stems and caps.... and a three week delay in posting. Thanks to the good, quick thinking folks here at dead.net.. we set up a GoFundMe to get KCJ out of jail and back to work..

    Don't mind me, I didn't have time to read your whole post, but I did quickly skim through the text, and having gotten four hours of sleep this week alone, I am quite sure I absorbed the entirety of your post:

    ' ..sorry didn't post, gone for three and a half weeks, brought my newbe brother in law to a show against his wife's best wishes, dosed him.. then got him stoned.. and there was nothing left to drink but hard liquor and IPA's.. what's a guy to do? '

    It was Sixtus and his grower/attorney friend Cosmic Charlie that first come through with the plan that freed the J' family from the calamity that was sure to catch up to them. In the end, a clear case of mistaken identity.

    Tragedy narrowly averted.

    Great tale, KCJ.. good to hear you had fun and escaped the long arm of the law (meaning your sister in law in this case).

    In all honesty.. I really wanted to go to the Gorge this year (and perhaps Folsom Field as a close second), but the timing and ticket prices worked against me. Still, I love the PNW.. a truly great spot in the planet blue I plan to revisit as often as I can.

    Glad it all worked out.

    Edit: Did nothing but art (woodworking, live in a 115 year old Victorian - it ever ends) and a moderate bike ride today.. but listened to the Good Ole GD the whole while. Started at 7 am with 06/24/90 Autzen Stadium Eugene, OR which only fueled more high intensity GD.. so for the bike ride and table saw amped it up with 10/12/84 and 9/18/87 from 30 trips. Good golly. I realize 30 trips got mixed reviews.. but they are just wrong, it's pretty freaking awesome when an 84 and 87 show can get someone so amped up. Perhaps not my best purchase but, well.. No Regrets. Diplomatic enough?

    Back to your previously scheduled June '74 GD.

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    Lines

    Some are starting them
    Others are forming them
    Most are standing in back

    Some folks are cutting them
    Others are snorting them
    Come on dude, spare me some slack

    No Cuts...more on these later :-)

    Edit: Hey Stoltzfus....missed you out there. I have a button for you and the Mrs. if you would like a couple of them?......please PM your address. Happy to oblige!!!

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    I am listening to motorhead at park
    "Runaround man" lyrics
    Chase my tail
    Catch me if you can

    5 seconds later i see a tee shirt emblazoned with "catch me if you can"

    Totally true

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    Dont get me started on the entry lines

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    Tales from The Gorge, A Dead Head Story (part 1)

    Hey now Dead Rockers......first let me apologize for my long absence. Landed back here in KC a week ago today at 4am, fresh from a 10 day trip to the beautiful PNW....back to work last week and then Friday a very large tree uprooted from our back yard and fell on our power lines, so we have been without power and internet for most of the past weekend, but onward!!!!

    Although I have been only lurking here the last few weeks, I have still been keeping up and appreciate the call (Oroborous) for my return......and so now that I have taken the opportunity to get everything exactly perfect, let my inspiration flow till my tale is told and done........

    Me, Mrs. Casey, and her brother (brother in law-BIL), all caught the red-eye into Seattle from KC on the night of June 6th. By the time we scooped up our bags and negotiated the rental car lines it was 2:30am. We checked into a blue light cheap hotel there by Sea-Tac that I had booked months before in preparation for our drive to the Gorge for two nights of Dead & Company. In the morning BIL and I hit the nearest dispensary to load up on some legal party favors while my wife finished getting ready to go.

    Now I’ve been to Colorado since legalization, but the “Cannabis Clinic” we found was on a different level than anything I’ve experienced before. There were a lot of options and we took full advantage., and the bud tenders were of course very helpful…..
    “What would you recommend for pre-rolls”, I say…..
    ”Do you like Indica or Sativa”, she asks,
    “both”, I answer!
    “Hash Infused”?
    “Sure that sounds Grate”!
    Went through a similar process with some other goodies, and out we came 30 minutes later with 4 tubes of pre-rolls (hash infused and also Willie’s Reserve), a couple grams of flower, 2 oil cartridges, a new pen (Seattle Seahawks – 12th Strain branded - for the oil), a couple packs of chewable candies, and last but not least, a plastic syringe filled with some hashy goo which we found to be very applicable to the candies….
    “Be careful with this she said”, “Only rice grain size portions”…..
    “Sure, no problem” I say…….(smile, smile, smile), out we go, back to pick up the Mrs., sharing candies along the way, and on to our hotel at Moses Lake about 40 minutes east of The Gorge.

    After stopping for lunch, and a very scenic 3 hour drive through the mountains and over The Columbia River (wow, what a site), we rolled into Moses Lake about 1:00pm. First stop….the liquor store, to load up on IPA for me, Jack Daniels for BIL & wine for the Mrs., a bag of ice, plus a disposable cooler if we could find one. I asked the liquor store dude if he had any styrofoam coolers, but no dice. Payed for everything else and walked out…..then, just as we were loading up I spotted some old buckets that someone had piled up…looked like trash in front of the store….and just like that we had a cooler  Time to check in to the room

    Ok, for those who already know the background story on my choice of accommodations, I apologize, but I think for context it bears repeating. I planned this Dead & Co tour stop in connection with my in-laws 40th Anniversary Celebration to be held on the Oregon Coast the following weekend (what timing….couldn’t believe my luck). I would have preferred to camp, and my wife agreed to do so, but she is no Deadhead, or camper for that matter, and so she only agreed to one night. I of course wanted to see both nights, and BIL also wanted to come to a show, so in compromise, I offered to purchase the VIP package which included 2 tickets to each show, 2 nights hotel accommodation in Moses Lake, plus bus ride to and from each show. Needless to say, she agreed, and so here were leaving the liquor store and on our way to the hotel.
    When we get there and walk into the lobby it is a quarter till 2:00 and there are already 25-30 Heads milling around in the lobby. The guy at the desk tells me that they are all waiting for the ticket packages that would be handed out at 2:00. First bus to The Gorge leaves at 3:00, 2nd bus at 4:00……that means BIL and I have 1 hour to check in, get ready, get our tickets/wristbands, and then be across the street to load up for the first bus.

    Back in the room we start getting ready and stocking supplies. Gonna be a little nip to the air tonight so I wear some jeans, one of my Courtney Pollock Tie Dye’s, Bolt hat, and my bright green Morning Dew sweatshirt tied around my waist for the later chill. I load up one plastic tube with 4 or 5 pre-rolls, pocketed my oil pen plus cartridge and then grabbed a half a handful of stems and caps that someone had mysteriously packed inside of my zip up shorts pocket that I had stuffed in my checked baggage…...what luck!!! Next we stock our new disposable cooler bucket full of IPA’s, bottle of JD, couple Cokes, and some ice. BIL is in his 30’s, about 10 years my junior and 13 years my wife’s little brother, and so before we go, she makes sure to tell me not to lose him….make sure he gets back OK! Of course, Of course…no worries BIL and I laugh!!!!! Now up to the lobby to grab tickets just before 3:00, and out to the bus….do I have everything? Nope, Oh shit…….I forgot THE BUTTONS!!!

    Here’s the background on THE BUTTONS….I think most of y’all know Agent Jeff Smith from our boards here, but if you don’t you should, because he’s one of the coolest Heads around these parts, always quick to share his fine art work of making our Dave’s Pick’s and Box Sets Digital Album covers pop with High Definition detail. Earlier this year, Jeff had helped me acquire some GD digital shows that I was missing from my collection, and in his mail parcel he included a button that he had made for the Dead & Co Boulder shows last summer. After seeing Jeff’s Boulder button, I asked him if he wouldn’t mind designing me a button for the upcoming Gorge trip and he kindly obliged with one of the coolest designs I could have imagined (see my avatar). I ordered 200 of the 2 and ¼ inches in diameter with sparkle background for the shows.

    Back to the room…grab 100 of the buttons, run across the street, and then finally after 28 years of being of being a GD fan, I AM ON THE BUS…..which is a fucking Greyhound!

    No folks, although we were just a few hundred miles north from where the famed vehicle now rests and rusts, this was no Kesey bus. There was no day-glow graffiti, or Merry Pranksters riding on top. The music was not blaring shows from long past as it should be, nor were there any stray travelers looking to hop aboard. And thank God Cowboy Neal was not at the wheel, because I don’t believe we would have had enough defibrillator machines to account for the carnage. Not surprisingly BIL and I were the only ones on the bus who had thought forward enough to bring a bucket full of beers, and so we sat quietly sipping beers and sucking on our oil pipes and eating edibles, hoping against a last minute ransack by the group of aging hippies on our supplies..

    After arriving at the scene/parking lot, and not listening closely to instructions about how to get back to The Bus……we straggled off with beer bucket in hand down the Golden Road (walking path) to the entrance of The Gorge, and things were starting to pick up as we were high steppin’ in to town, it was a rainbow full of sound…..there were fireworks, calliopes and clowns, and everybody was dancing!!!

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    Anyone see the Grateful Dead get name dropped on The PBS Newshour this evening? That's twice in 2 weeks!

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    Still upright- So Fine :-) Hanging in there...

    P.S. This reply is stale, but late checking in. tehe

    P.S.S. Vehicles AND Traffic Lights.

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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And a big Sunny Rocky Mnt. how do you do!
Nice to see Wjones and the always entertaining CaseyJ back with us.....
CJ, was worried you some how smuggled in your magic carpet, got turned on to some ultra government top secret veggies, lifting off somewhere between HCS and Dark Star, and decided to fly the length of the Columbia, eventually needing to crash in some uncharted PNW forest, only to be kiddnaped by a secret clan of Uber Sasquatch....”ancient alien theorist say yes!” Who we’re so high, intelligent and kind that we would never hear from the likes of you again, not that there’d be anything wrong with that lol
Couldn’t help but pick up on the less than Bolo type clue about “we weren’t listening to the return bus instructions” ha, bet a few of us here know where that’s going! Lol

BOX: yep, looking like whoever said the announcement was going to be after Dave’s 31 is gonna win the prize...
Prize you say? .......yea,
“Upon your death you will receive divine consciousness.....which is nice”

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Its not a matter of snoozing and losing

Its about a SHITBRAINED SYSTEM AND LAMENESS ON THE PART OF THE PTB AT THE GORGE.

luckily for you all, i am headed to work...keeping my day job and all that

Have a pleasant day, y'all

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“My mom let me go to Grateful Dead shows when I was 12 or 13 years old. The things that taught me,” Austin told Relix in 2009. “And I think about these kids – it’s like a sense of community, a different sense of giving and caring – we’re all here together. If you create something, you’ll have this beautiful bubble that will occur.”

Read more: https://relix.com/news/detail/in-memoriam-jeff-austin/#ixzz5rt4azryg

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What a bummer. Heard over the weekend he was in the hospital. These guys got me hooked into bluegrass in 2001-2002 era, and I was lucky to see them a bunch in the early aughts. Jeff was unquestionably the leader of that band. He was a great songwriter and a better singer. Time to put on an old Yonder show.

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The link to the book was cool. It reminds me of the stories I have had traveling with the dead in the 80's. It is like losing a faithful dog that was always there to make sure you were ok. You never forget those times. Some people may think it's just a concert but it was more then that. Those people would not understand unless they were there.

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Right on!

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If I have to explain, you wouldn’t understand (insert dead graphic)....I think you will enjoy the rest of my story....stay tuned!

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I told you all I have been exploring 1974 much more since accepting the sonic issues that go along with it. I'm full blown rampage now, which is ironic considering my last full blown rampage was 1974.

I have also observed there are only about a half-dozen Dark Stars from 74. That is almost a criminal act.

What I don't get is the popularity of DaP 2 Dillon Stadium. Awful audio. Is it simply because it's hard to get that it's so expensive on eBay? The show doesn't sound like anything special to me, maybe the poor audio is not helping. Can we all agree it's one of the worst sounding shows of 74?

And I will be needing rankings of all Eyes of the World from this year. I've come to the conclusion that they are the best ones, but if 73 needs to be included then so be it. Not interested in two drummer Eyes unless it's One from the Vault.

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Greek Theatre, 15, 16, 17 July 1988 just arrived today. It doesn't sound as good as a Normanized Plangent deal, but it sounds pretty good for a radio broadcast. Six discs for a little over thirty dollars.

Slaked my thirst while waiting for the box announcement. Not to mention the announcement is just the dangling of the carrot... the ship date can't be before Fall '19, at this point.

Jerry's vocal on the seldom played "Believe It Or Not," is extremely soulful. I'm just sayin'.

\m/

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11/17/73 is my favorite '73 version so far.

Coattail Skeletons 7/19/74 has a Dyno-MITE version.

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Now I'm thinking it may be the long awaited Boston Ark 69 shows. It's the 50th anniversary of the shows and Bolo said it's "about time those incredible shows were released". Bolo's clues may be hinting at Noah's Ark.
From Bolo's post:
Religious references: "grace of God", "glorious", "soul"
Storm reference: "Kesey's Thunder Machine"
Animal references:
1. "China"-----China CAT
2. "dark side of the moon"-----(pink floyd)-----ANIMALS
3. "Starbucks"------(Moby Dick)-----WHALE
4. "Cheetos"-----(Chester Cheetah)----CHEETAH

Right? Is anyone with me on this?

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Ark would be cooooool

What does a yellow dog say?

"Ark, man...Ark"

Your avatar is awesome

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....🤔 I have nothing.
Wait. Liberace tickled the ivories. Tusks are made of ivory. ELEPHANTS!
i still have nothing....

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May 77 - Number 3 Palladium April 29-May 4!
1st Leg April '78 Curtis Hixon>Huntington,WV 4-16-1978 What about Sporto?

June '85
OR
June '91

Alaska '80? Msg '79 or '81?

P.S. Mike Edwards, Mr, Pid, dstache, OneMan, ComicBodger, Space Face? I beg you call the tune... :-)\\

Stuart Walker? sherbear? marye? monsieur Joe EVERYONE?

Happy Summer and carpe diem...

Love, Jeff

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9/11 at Alexandra Palace is a good one. Very long, very spacy. After 1974 they always seemed in too much of a hurry when they played it. The 1976 ones especially-too fast, too short. And that seemed to set the template for the song for ever after.

Multi-track from October 1969 or April 1971

Could be something from Fillmore West 1970 acoustic electric

Or more from 1989. Philadelphia Spectrum 3 shows

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Hey looking for someone to pick up an extra pin from a couple shows. Anyone going to Bristow , Charlotte , Atlanta or Dallas ? I had plans to go to Bristow , Charlotte and Atlanta but my dog had heart attacks last week. Had to cancel all plans and keep him company

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Check your PM

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Hopefully it’s a spectacularly Plangentized offering.

The real worry is Vault safety. Hopefully Warner has a better fire prevention system than Universal Music.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8517618/universal-music-fir…

High Time to pick up the pace of releases, that way if something does happen in the future hopefully all the good sounding shows will have already been released.

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I probably won't be able to get the box...my wife looks at me strangely

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Wow, that article is sad. Especially Cheech and chong and rodney dangerfield. The Captain and tennille not so much.

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And what about Spinal Tap.....I was really hoping they’d rerelease an audiophile version of Smell the Glove!

CAPTCHA sux. I can handle one screen of "find the bikes, ya damn fool", but 6 screens of buses, crosswalks, and festering sores is too much.

It's not like we are trying to hack into Fort Knox or something

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First Girl of the North Country since 8/27/14 tonight in Stockholm (also first Can't Wait since 2012).

Not my video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaFCERlqVPo

Sounding good. The Can't Wait is nice too...sounds like Stayin' Alive, haha. Waiting for a late summer / fall US announcement.

Anyone check out the new Rolling Thunder Revue box and Netflix special?

Gonna catch Dead & Company in ATL this weekend. Saw the Stones last Friday, first and only time for me. Worth it! Amazing that Mick had a valve in his heart replaced two months ago, he was all over the stage non-stop like it was the 70s. I got winded putting on the t-shirt I bought at the show.

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Just saw your post, I can check in Atlanta if you still need it. Thoughts to your dog!!! You are prioritizing correctly.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/magazine/universal-music-fire-bands-…

Here's an article I had just read before coming over here, and, sure enough it's already being discussed. I can't believe UMG lost millions of masters and were able to keep it silent for 11 years. The exceedingly long list of artists who were impacted is truly sad. Buddy Holly, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, The Who, Tom Petty, The Carter Family, even a Martin Luther King, Jr speech that was recorded and released. Decca and Chess records. Unbelievable. Who knows what kind of brilliant work lay unreleased and unheard until the conflagration meant they would never be heard.

Also, I remember Dave made a joke on the Hofheinz 11/18/72 release page about not being able to hear Hoyt Axton Explodes without a turntable, though now it may be impossible for them to even think about a re-release as his masters are also thought to have been destroyed. I hope the artists get a massive settlement from UMG, which is worth $33 billion.

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In All in the family season 6 'Archie, the babysitter'. Gloria hires a babysitter and the babysitters boyfriend who comes over to hang out with her, brings over 2 albums. One is Blues for Allah and the other is the rolling stones. You can see both sides of B.F.A album with jerry and the band and the front pretty clearly. The boyfriend says " I brought over the grateful dead and the Rolling stones" and Archie says "yeah I've heard of those grave diggers before". Good episode.

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I was shocked to read this, never heard about it. Very sad indeed.

You can never believe they don't have fire system in these places and take a greater value in the stuff they have.

The BBC tossed out a chunk of Doctor Who's cause they needed the storage?

A wild spec I heard years ago on TCM was that 1/2 the movies made before 1950 are GONE.

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I think the films were watched over by people who don't give a shit. Then you get people like Dave L. And the others who protect their music and concerts with love and respect like they should be treated.

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....first I've heard of this as well. 100,000 masters? Oops indeed. Note to selves. Celluloid does not handle heat very well. That's why I keep mine in Montana. On the Canadian border. As Red Foreman would say, "dumbasses!"
One of my favorite TV dads. Up there with Archie Bunker and Al Bundy.

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NOT THE ASIA MASTERS!!!!!

But seriously, it's the greatest prog-gone-pop-rock album ever. Credit where it's due - producer Mike Stone pulled that record out of his ass.

I would have said maaaaybe Duke was better, but they crossed the line with Dukes Travels
- that song is as progressive rock as 1980 could possibly sound.

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Hot Rize~Take It Home
String Cheese 9-3-98 Strawberry Music Fest.,Camp Mather~Yosemite,California
Herbie Hancock~Head Hunters
G.D. 4-14-71 Lewisburg,Pennsylvania
Hot Tuna 71-7-3 Fillmore~San Fran.
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Listening to the Englishtown half step this morning and towards the end of an absolutely fantastic version was brought to tears during the Rio grande refrain at the thought of that father and daughter picture from earlier this week .
Come on Donald stop being such a bell end and cut these guys some slack , the worlds not just a rich mans playground .

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As much as I have issues with the current administration, people come to this lil' area to escape all that.

May God welcome the father and daughter's souls to heaven. I am sincere in that.

Please let this board be a refuge from the ills of the world (wake up to find out that there's lots of ills in the world).

Grateful for life
Dead for life
Grateful Dead promote life
"the Grateful Dead are the antidote to the atom bomb" - Joseph Campbell

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Sorry , never meant to bring politics onto this site - it’s not even something I’m that bothered about anymore - as we say over here “ same shit different colour “ I guess the music caught up with me .

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I think you have to at least put 6/18/74 on the list of top performances in the 73/74 period.

I have to say.. although I do like 73/74 versions the most.. it is one of the few songs where the rearrangement did not ruin it for me. There are some true gems post hiatus. I believe it to be one of the better original songs in their cannon. When I used to hear the opening chords at shows, I perked up a bit and paid attention. It rarely disappointed.

ok. Back to your regularly scheduled Estimated > Eyes.

(Edit: Or Eyes>China Doll) :D

she refers to Jerry as "their vocalist and lead guitarist" (vocalist...singular...and listed ahead of guitar)

as I have said before: I don't listen to the GD for the vocals.

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