Dave's Picks Volume 30: Fillmore East, New York, New York 1/2/70

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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July 9, 2019 - 4:30pm

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icecrmcnkd

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Extra octave

Yes, Norman confessed.
He manipulated the bass a bit too much.

But what about the Winterland 10/74 kick drum?
Some people hate that.
July 9, 2019 - 4:23pm

#222

icecrmcnkd

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Swinging the leg through

Isn’t that called a ‘girls’ bike?
July 9, 2019 - 4:21pm

#223

icecrmcnkd

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Am I the only one being harrassed by the reCRAPTCHA bot?

Last post was around 10 screens.
July 9, 2019 - 4:19pm

#224

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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HF’s erroneous thinking

Drinking Hamm’s.

Do they still make that?

About 10-15 years ago Stroh’s was brought back for a summer nostalgia release. Naturally I bought a 6 to relive some glory days of high school circa 86-87 when Stroh’s was being sold in 15- and 30-packs. And for the same price as 12- and 24-packs of competing beers! How could a poor teenager not go for the package with the extra beer?
Anyway that nostalgia Stroh’s was horrendous and I drank less than half a can and gave the rest away.
Buying that in the first place was erroneous thinking on my part.
Lesson learned, don’t go for the nostalgia beer.
July 9, 2019 - 4:12pm

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wilfredtjones

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An extra octave?

That's a lot. Are you sure? Why the hey would Norman do that to those tapes and not others? I'm going to compare it to the 4 cd set from April '71 (Ladies and Gents). I've always considered that one rather chunky bass-wise.

Here's an under-rated pick: DaP 30! Nice booklet with that one! :-)

P.S. My vegetables do come into contact with my potatoes, and Pork Chops sometimes. I never weighed in on that one, but I did think about a whole pork chop dinner (gravy and all) in the blender and passed.
July 9, 2019 - 2:21pm

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80sfan

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Past Dave's Picks

I enjoyed them all - some were no brainers (#13 - Winterland, Feb 74). Others I'm still surprised at how they stuck with me (#15 - Nashville, 78).

The only ones I don't revisit that much are the fall 71 shows for whatever reason. All great stuff, just not my go-to when I need a fix. I've also been listening to the 1978 box recently - really great stuff, and perhaps the most under rated box set they've ever put out. I still cannot believe it's available...
July 9, 2019 - 2:13pm

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JimInMD

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Dave's Picks

No worries Alvarhonso, it's all good. The discussion pushes the topics along and often makes us revisit stuff sometimes yielding entirely different perspectives. ..and it is very subjective.

I should listen to them all again, it has been years since I listened to some of these. Listening to 7/3/78 St Paul as I write this, making this the last Scarlet Fire I have listened to. It sounds mighty fine and the Dancin in the Streets has a little more kick than I remembered. Very tight.
July 9, 2019 - 1:41pm

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80sfan

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article

cannot tell you how much this passage resonated with me:

"When we arrived in the bustling parking lot where thousands of Deadheads had already gathered, we instantly felt relieved, accepted and embraced. I think we all were feeling homesick during our first week of college. So we, this bunch of strangers, went home together to a place to which none of us had ever been."

That's really it - accepted and embraced. That captures exactly how I feel, whether it was a dead show, a dead & co show, a dead cover band show, etc. You walk in and can finally fucking exhale and let go of the bullshit and just have fun for a few hours among people who you know are feeling the same way you are. Hard to top that feeling.
July 9, 2019 - 12:14pm

#229

CaseyJanes

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Finding Home

I never saw Jerry, and missed out big time, but this article nails it for me, and I won't be missing out on future tours if I can help it....very nice read! My opinion....the boys were outstanding this summer, so catch em while you still can!

https://www.salon.com/2019/06/21/communing-with-the-dead-i-followed-the…
July 9, 2019 - 10:51am

#230

alvarhanso

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DaP 24 and DaP 25

I tried to limit my negativity, but the topic was less than stellar Picks, and I mentioned 24 8/25/72 and didn't hammer the point home about that extra octave on the bass, because Mr. Norman posted his apologies about that at the time, and didn't want to make him feel bad in the off chance he checked in the forum. As a guy who attempts to play bass, and loves his effects pedals, I was really stoked for that release when I first heard it and thought Phil had a prototype octave pedal, but when I found out it was bass that wasn't actually there, my opinion shifted on it. And as a guy who focuses on the bass playing just about more than anything else, it's extremely hard for me to have enough bass there without still hearing that imposed octave. That show, particularly the Bird Song and Other One are fantastic, is a good one, but to my ears, it becomes an annoyance. Again, subjectivity. And ironically that octave maybe helps the feedback/bass driven jam in TOO, but that's about the only part of the show I listen to. For DaP 25 11/6/77 I love the opening duo, dig other parts of the first set, but after multiple attempts have found the second set, particularly the Scarlet Fire just isn't to my taste. I love Spring '77, perhaps for the same reason many don't like it: they're more precise after recording with Keith Olsen, and having another day of working with him in early May before the fabled Holy Trinity. Fall '77 isn't my cup of meat due to less cohesive playing. But, you do get things like Let it Grow which wasn't played at all in May (can't think of one at least) and Dupree's, and DaP 12 11/4/77 is a rip roaring show, and I dig it when I listen, but I don't ever find myself choosing it. And again, don't want to harsh anyone's positive vibes about certain shows, and I avoided any real mention of Boise, because that seems to be a Flashpoint for Era wars to break out. But those tapes sound awful. Boulder is a reel to reel and sounds great, but the music is what kills that one for me.

And I noticed no one has brought up DaP 19 1/23/70 which has TIFTOO and Dark Star and Lovelight, etc, but doesn't ever seem to stoke much commentary good or bad or indifferent. That buttresses hendrixfreak's theory, and makes The 11 the real outlier.

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Buttons, and caps, and lines oh my!

And a big Sunny Rocky Mnt. how do you do!
Nice to see Wjones and the always entertaining CaseyJ back with us.....
CJ, was worried you some how smuggled in your magic carpet, got turned on to some ultra government top secret veggies, lifting off somewhere between HCS and Dark Star, and decided to fly the length of the Columbia, eventually needing to crash in some uncharted PNW forest, only to be kiddnaped by a secret clan of Uber Sasquatch....”ancient alien theorist say yes!” Who we’re so high, intelligent and kind that we would never hear from the likes of you again, not that there’d be anything wrong with that lol
Couldn’t help but pick up on the less than Bolo type clue about “we weren’t listening to the return bus instructions” ha, bet a few of us here know where that’s going! Lol

BOX: yep, looking like whoever said the announcement was going to be after Dave’s 31 is gonna win the prize...
Prize you say? .......yea,
“Upon your death you will receive divine consciousness.....which is nice”

Ok you got me started

Its not a matter of snoozing and losing

Its about a SHITBRAINED SYSTEM AND LAMENESS ON THE PART OF THE PTB AT THE GORGE.

luckily for you all, i am headed to work...keeping my day job and all that

Have a pleasant day, y'all

Ahh..

Forgot about the Uber Sasquatches. They are everywhere.

RIP Jeff Austin

“My mom let me go to Grateful Dead shows when I was 12 or 13 years old. The things that taught me,” Austin told Relix in 2009. “And I think about these kids – it’s like a sense of community, a different sense of giving and caring – we’re all here together. If you create something, you’ll have this beautiful bubble that will occur.”

😓

Jeff Austin

What a bummer. Heard over the weekend he was in the hospital. These guys got me hooked into bluegrass in 2001-2002 era, and I was lucky to see them a bunch in the early aughts. Jeff was unquestionably the leader of that band. He was a great songwriter and a better singer. Time to put on an old Yonder show.

C Janes

The link to the book was cool. It reminds me of the stories I have had traveling with the dead in the 80's. It is like losing a faithful dog that was always there to make sure you were ok. You never forget those times. Some people may think it's just a concert but it was more then that. Those people would not understand unless they were there.

Carlo

Right on!

Carlo...reminds of that bumper sticker

If I have to explain, you wouldn’t understand (insert dead graphic)....I think you will enjoy the rest of my story....stay tuned!

Yonder - 12-13-1999

https://archive.org/details/ymsb1999-12-13.shnf/ymsb1999-12-13d1/ymsb19…

Check out the Morning Dew then Shady Grove

10-4. Oro and Cjanes

10-4 good buddy.

About that 74

I told you all I have been exploring 1974 much more since accepting the sonic issues that go along with it. I'm full blown rampage now, which is ironic considering my last full blown rampage was 1974.

I have also observed there are only about a half-dozen Dark Stars from 74. That is almost a criminal act.

What I don't get is the popularity of DaP 2 Dillon Stadium. Awful audio. Is it simply because it's hard to get that it's so expensive on eBay? The show doesn't sound like anything special to me, maybe the poor audio is not helping. Can we all agree it's one of the worst sounding shows of 74?

And I will be needing rankings of all Eyes of the World from this year. I've come to the conclusion that they are the best ones, but if 73 needs to be included then so be it. Not interested in two drummer Eyes unless it's One from the Vault.

If you see the little red rooster

Won't you please drive him home

~ 10.5.84 ~

74 eyes

10 19 74

6 16 74

8 6 74

Berkeley, July 1988

Greek Theatre, 15, 16, 17 July 1988 just arrived today. It doesn't sound as good as a Normanized Plangent deal, but it sounds pretty good for a radio broadcast. Six discs for a little over thirty dollars.

Slaked my thirst while waiting for the box announcement. Not to mention the announcement is just the dangling of the carrot... the ship date can't be before Fall '19, at this point.

Jerry's vocal on the seldom played "Believe It Or Not," is extremely soulful. I'm just sayin'.

\m/

Eyes of the World's

11/17/73 is my favorite '73 version so far.

Coattail Skeletons 7/19/74 has a Dyno-MITE version.

box prediction

Now I'm thinking it may be the long awaited Boston Ark 69 shows. It's the 50th anniversary of the shows and Bolo said it's "about time those incredible shows were released". Bolo's clues may be hinting at Noah's Ark.
From Bolo's post:
Religious references: "grace of God", "glorious", "soul"
Storm reference: "Kesey's Thunder Machine"
Animal references:
1. "China"-----China CAT
2. "dark side of the moon"-----(pink floyd)-----ANIMALS
3. "Starbucks"------(Moby Dick)-----WHALE
4. "Cheetos"-----(Chester Cheetah)----CHEETAH

Right? Is anyone with me on this?

Good call Gollum

Ark would be cooooool

What does a yellow dog say?

"Ark, man...Ark"

Your avatar is awesome

But Liberace?....

....🤔 I have nothing.
Wait. Liberace tickled the ivories. Tusks are made of ivory. ELEPHANTS!
i still have nothing....

Not too familiar with....

....The Yonder Mountain String Band. Dipping my toe in now. Sad news for sure.

boxo predictionos, etc.

May 77 - Number 3 Palladium April 29-May 4!
1st Leg April '78 Curtis Hixon>Huntington,WV 4-16-1978 What about Sporto?

June '85
OR
June '91

Alaska '80? Msg '79 or '81?

P.S. Mike Edwards, Mr, Pid, dstache, OneMan, ComicBodger, Space Face? I beg you call the tune... :-)\\

Stuart Walker? sherbear? marye? monsieur Joe EVERYONE?

Happy Summer and carpe diem...

Love, Jeff

1974 Eyes

9/11 at Alexandra Palace is a good one. Very long, very spacy. After 1974 they always seemed in too much of a hurry when they played it. The 1976 ones especially-too fast, too short. And that seemed to set the template for the song for ever after.

In case you were wondering...

...yes, those IPA's were good last night :-/ :-)

P.S. Traffic Lights x4 and Chimneys.

Box set 2019

Multi-track from October 1969 or April 1971

Could be something from Fillmore West 1970 acoustic electric

Or more from 1989. Philadelphia Spectrum 3 shows

Dead and Company shows

Hey looking for someone to pick up an extra pin from a couple shows. Anyone going to Bristow , Charlotte , Atlanta or Dallas ? I had plans to go to Bristow , Charlotte and Atlanta but my dog had heart attacks last week. Had to cancel all plans and keep him company

Mbarilla

Check your PM

Box Set?

Hopefully it’s a spectacularly Plangentized offering.

The real worry is Vault safety. Hopefully Warner has a better fire prevention system than Universal Music.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8517618/universal-music-fir…

High Time to pick up the pace of releases, that way if something does happen in the future hopefully all the good sounding shows will have already been released.

this time around

I probably won't be able to get the box...my wife looks at me strangely

Fire!

Wow, that article is sad. Especially Cheech and chong and rodney dangerfield. The Captain and tennille not so much.

?

And what about Spinal Tap.....I was really hoping they’d rerelease an audiophile version of Smell the Glove!

yes, please prevent the destruction of the GD vault

would be a bummer of cosmic proportions if that ish were lost

PTB:

CAPTCHA sux. I can handle one screen of "find the bikes, ya damn fool", but 6 screens of buses, crosswalks, and festering sores is too much.

It's not like we are trying to hack into Fort Knox or something

on a tape of Mother McCree's, Jerry offers the audience...

a chance for a "boo break" due to unenjoyment.

Let's have a "boo break" for lame-ass co-workers.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dylan, Dead, Stones, fin

First Girl of the North Country since 8/27/14 tonight in Stockholm (also first Can't Wait since 2012).

Not my video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaFCERlqVPo

Sounding good. The Can't Wait is nice too...sounds like Stayin' Alive, haha. Waiting for a late summer / fall US announcement.

Anyone check out the new Rolling Thunder Revue box and Netflix special?

Gonna catch Dead & Company in ATL this weekend. Saw the Stones last Friday, first and only time for me. Worth it! Amazing that Mick had a valve in his heart replaced two months ago, he was all over the stage non-stop like it was the 70s. I got winded putting on the t-shirt I bought at the show.

MBARILLA

Just saw your post, I can check in Atlanta if you still need it. Thoughts to your dog!!! You are prioritizing correctly.

Universal Fire

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/magazine/universal-music-fire-bands-…

Here's an article I had just read before coming over here, and, sure enough it's already being discussed. I can't believe UMG lost millions of masters and were able to keep it silent for 11 years. The exceedingly long list of artists who were impacted is truly sad. Buddy Holly, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, The Who, Tom Petty, The Carter Family, even a Martin Luther King, Jr speech that was recorded and released. Decca and Chess records. Unbelievable. Who knows what kind of brilliant work lay unreleased and unheard until the conflagration meant they would never be heard.

Also, I remember Dave made a joke on the Hofheinz 11/18/72 release page about not being able to hear Hoyt Axton Explodes without a turntable, though now it may be impossible for them to even think about a re-release as his masters are also thought to have been destroyed. I hope the artists get a massive settlement from UMG, which is worth $33 billion.

All in the family

In All in the family season 6 'Archie, the babysitter'. Gloria hires a babysitter and the babysitters boyfriend who comes over to hang out with her, brings over 2 albums. One is Blues for Allah and the other is the rolling stones. You can see both sides of B.F.A album with jerry and the band and the front pretty clearly. The boyfriend says " I brought over the grateful dead and the Rolling stones" and Archie says "yeah I've heard of those grave diggers before". Good episode.

Lost Tapes

I was shocked to read this, never heard about it. Very sad indeed.

You can never believe they don't have fire system in these places and take a greater value in the stuff they have.

The BBC tossed out a chunk of Doctor Who's cause they needed the storage?

A wild spec I heard years ago on TCM was that 1/2 the movies made before 1950 are GONE.

Dennis

I think the films were watched over by people who don't give a shit. Then you get people like Dave L. And the others who protect their music and concerts with love and respect like they should be treated.

Up In Smoke....

....first I've heard of this as well. 100,000 masters? Oops indeed. Note to selves. Celluloid does not handle heat very well. That's why I keep mine in Montana. On the Canadian border. As Red Foreman would say, "dumbasses!"
One of my favorite TV dads. Up there with Archie Bunker and Al Bundy.

😊😍😁

https://youtu.be/QFhH8sSIvsA

UMG Fire

NOT THE ASIA MASTERS!!!!!

But seriously, it's the greatest prog-gone-pop-rock album ever. Credit where it's due - producer Mike Stone pulled that record out of his ass.

I would have said maaaaybe Duke was better, but they crossed the line with Dukes Travels
- that song is as progressive rock as 1980 could possibly sound.

Last 5

Hot Rize~Take It Home
String Cheese 9-3-98 Strawberry Music Fest.,Camp Mather~Yosemite,California
Herbie Hancock~Head Hunters
G.D. 4-14-71 Lewisburg,Pennsylvania
Hot Tuna 71-7-3 Fillmore~San Fran.
:O)

Shocking photo

Listening to the Englishtown half step this morning and towards the end of an absolutely fantastic version was brought to tears during the Rio grande refrain at the thought of that father and daughter picture from earlier this week .
Come on Donald stop being such a bell end and cut these guys some slack , the worlds not just a rich mans playground .

Bruh...

As much as I have issues with the current administration, people come to this lil' area to escape all that.

May God welcome the father and daughter's souls to heaven. I am sincere in that.

Please let this board be a refuge from the ills of the world (wake up to find out that there's lots of ills in the world).

Grateful for life
Dead for life
Grateful Dead promote life
"the Grateful Dead are the antidote to the atom bomb" - Joseph Campbell

Apologies

Sorry , never meant to bring politics onto this site - it’s not even something I’m that bothered about anymore - as we say over here “ same shit different colour “ I guess the music caught up with me .

Re: Wake Up To Find Out

I think you have to at least put 6/18/74 on the list of top performances in the 73/74 period.

I have to say.. although I do like 73/74 versions the most.. it is one of the few songs where the rearrangement did not ruin it for me. There are some true gems post hiatus. I believe it to be one of the better original songs in their cannon. When I used to hear the opening chords at shows, I perked up a bit and paid attention. It rarely disappointed.

ok. Back to your regularly scheduled Estimated > Eyes.

(Edit: Or Eyes>China Doll) :D

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