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    Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

    When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #2361
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    All the music in the world, 90% of which I won't listen to, for 10 bucks a month sounds as good as that cable TV bill I was paying 15 bucks a month for in 1980. Was great at the time, but my cable bill is 10x the cost now, and keeps going up. Have fun with your streaming in 10 years. And besides, streaming and digital technology has killed the recording artists, and in turn, the concert scene. Piracy IS the reason the reason concert ticket sales are so high now. Artists have to make their money on the road, because there's little for them in songwriting royalties anymore. Technology killed the concert scene. What used to be a festive getaway for any who desired it is now reserved for the priveledged. And like wise Charlie said, the only CDs I buy is Limited Edition Dead CDs, and like wise KeithFan said, the fun part is opening the damn package and enjoying the artwork, the liner notes, and that great smell.

    There's no turning back from it all, but make no mistake, we're being tethered and robbed in the long con. Enjoy your financial bondage.

  • #2362
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    Interesting Discussion

    First.. why only ten comments per page? You blink or take a day hike and you have scroll back 10 pages to get the pulse of what's going on.

    Second.. 8-Tracks always sucked... well, they were ok for the first ten plays but on the 11th play your car or portable 8-Track player would get hungry and inevitably eat your tape. Then you realized you had to buy a really nice, expensive deck so it wouldn't eat your tapes.. you'd then get 37 listens before it got hungry and ate your tape and be out an extra $350 for a new high-end, but still shitty deck. If you were skilled.. you could somehow pull it out, bend and tuck all that extra tape back into the 8-Track cassette, but every time that part of the album came on it would sllllloooowwww dooowwwwnn where it was stretched.. then skip 10 seconds where you had to cut and splice it back together with scotch tape, etc. There is no comparing any media to 8-Tracks because they sucked that bad. As soon as my first tape was eaten, I loathed them and could not wait for a better technology. They were the first media you could play in a car, once another arrived they were gone like the dodo. Plus, album art or liner notes, forget about it. Comparing any of this to 8-tracks is like wondering why no one drives Edsels anymore.

    As for streaming.. I find it just doesnt work well for dead music. I mean, what band has 2,318 albums? Amazon Alexa, for example, has a ton of concerts on their service.. but asking 'her' for one and having 'her' return and play the show you like is next to impossible. "Alexa, Play Grateful Dead Cornell University, 5/8/77" (which is in there) and you get "mmm I can't find that, here's Donnie and Marie Paper Roses 1977 instead", said in the most polite, androgynous voice possible.

    Streaming just becomes difficult for a band with so many [albums] or shows, whatever. If it was quicker/easier to find exactly what I want, I would stream more. Perhaps tomorrow this will get better.

    Who knows. I think for deadheads, who seem to have an almost unquenchable thirst for good music.. they will stream for the convenience and buy Dave's Picks and perhaps a box set a year, so why would Rhino walk away from that extra revenue stream of the new releases from the vault? In fact, their revenue is increasing, they are not going to pull the plug just yet. Streaming is for what has already been released and all the other music you listen to, but vault releases will likely continue to be released on physical media as a niche product. ..then in a few years it will wind up on the streaming platforms.

    My two cents and I could be wrong.. I see GD listeners as being perhaps streamers and I'm going to get Dave's Picks too because I want it and it makes me happy and I want it now.

    Oh.. and Charlie3, I totally get why you live where you live and it being worth the sacrafice of being plugged in all the time. An amazing part of the world.. beautiful and lots to do. Nothing wrong with cities, but you are in big sky country, I'd take it for 15 (slow) gigs a month or whatever the limit is and speed is. Perhaps 5G will change some of this.

    So anyway.. this could be the year of the Ark. Makes sense, doesn't it. Bolo, bolo, bolo. There, said it three times.

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    Pointless progress

    There have been so many changes in format since I bought my first L.P in 1971. The move to cassettes, on to cds, on to digitally remastered cds-circa 1995, onto new digitally remastered cds this century using the latest technology. And now streaming. I am not sure what progress has been made, really. A lot of it seems, now-with the benefit of hindsight-to be a marketing ploy.
    The move from having videos, onto dvds onto blu ray seems to me to have marked progress-but a lot of improvements to consumer items is surely designed to create profit-not to improve quality.

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    Will Music Streaming Servers Survive an E.M.P.

    I too prefer hardcopy CD's. As far as I know Cd's cannot loose their data in the event of electro magnetic pulse event,
    solar event etc.

    I also preorder Dave's Picks Subscription every year for $99. Not try something stupid like try to cancel 1/2 my placed order. Just sell the extra at cost.

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    Just as an aside, my vote goes to VGuy for the slogan of the day with "You can lead a head to Winterland, but you can't lead him to his seat."

    The answer to the recurrent question of "how could I have purchased a copy of this release before it sold out?" is to SUBSCRIBE. Don't chase each Dave's Pick, subscribe and trick them into showing up at your door.

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    I get what you are saying, and you may be right about the expense issue to some extent, but let me expand on a couple of my points.

    My total data for the month through my internet provider is 15GB. For the month. I burn through that in two weeks just reading news and for work purposes. I would be seriously limited in my ability to stream or download music, let alone video, and would have to ration my listening time. That has no appeal. My phone service is also a plan with limited data, so that really doesn't change the picture. The data limitations alone mean that streaming is not really an option unless I jump up to a substantially more expensive data plan, and then pay for the streaming service on top of that. Your calculation assumes that there is no cost to data or internet access, but that is not the case for me. I would have the streaming cost, plus the cost of the additional data needed to make it worthwhile. I get this is an issue related to my geographic location, but I really like my geographic location with it's low population density and spectacular scenery. I have limited data access, but the one of the largest roadless area in the lower 48, the Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness, is just across the valley, with hiking trails in every just about every drainage up and down the Bitterroot Valley and an abundance of other nearby wilderness areas in just about every direction. I am getting by without the extra data.

    As far as cost, most of what I buy at this point is limited edition dead releases, including Dave's Picks and the annual box set, that won't be available on a streaming service, so I will be stuck paying for that on disc whether or not I stream everything else. If I buy something on disc this month and go broke with unexpected expenses next month, I can listen to the music I already own without spending a dime, but with streaming I am committed to paying the monthly fee forever or I would not be able to listen to any of "my music". I would be paying for the same music month after month, most of which I already own on disc at this point. Which brings me to sunk costs. I already have a decent number of discs, since I haven't counted in a while I'll estimate about a few hundred, maybe close to a thousand. At this point I can listen to them without paying a dime, and since they represent the things that I am most likely to listen to, I would be paying to stream a lot of music that I already own on disc and can listen to for free. And to be honest, the whole streaming thing triggers some kind of atavistic luddite response for me, and I make no claim that this is necessarily a response that will seem logical to others.

    Bottom line, if you dig streaming, go for it, the future looks bright for you. If you're one of those folks who dig vinyl, good timing, it seems to have made a comeback. For me, I foresee CD's being the source of my music for the foreseeable future.

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    F**k streaming

    I have no use for it.
    Proud to be that guy.
    :O)

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    ....you had both right there! Sell one! Jeezus.....you can lead a head to Winterland, but you can't lead him to his seat.

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    I would love to experience Dave's Picks 30, but unfortunately, due to a ridiculous purchase process, I lost out. Won't go into gory details, but I got no help trying to deal with a problem (mistakenly ordered two cd's and tried to cancel one). Supposedly couldn't delete one unless I emailed a request. I did not get a response until 5 days later, and now the cd is sold out.

    Because of this, and the fact that there is such a ridiculously low number of cd's released, making it virtually impossible to purchase a cd, I will not purchase anything from Deadnet again.

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    ....yeah. About that. Been in our current house for three years. I love it, but that was one complaint I had about it. Mrs. Vguy trumped me. Now where's my sledgehammer? (a wall. Not my wife).
    ....streaming. I'm slowly accepting it. What choice do I have? Buffering sucks major ass. An exercise in futility. 😡 I dread being that guy who has a laptop/tablet in every room. Ptth.
    ❤️ Spotify....I'm not an audiophile, so it works just fine for me.

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, ​New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by Duece on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 18:31

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I know this might be a reach, but maybe it is a Chicago run. He referenced High Fidelity which was a movie based in Chicago, and Til the morning comes was not only a Dead song but a Peter Cetera song and as we all know he is was in Chicago. Now what Chicago run could it be?

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Submitted by Duece on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 18:39

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I’m going on record and say it is 3 last shows Brent played. 07/21/90, 07/22/90, and 07/23/90. Played at Tinsley Park (Chicago) with a Queen Jane on night one.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 18:45

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I’m currently listening to 7-21-90 and He’s Gone is just finishing.

Sadly, no hula hoops.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 18:48

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Fuck that reCRAPTCHA shit.

My previous post required around 20 reCRAPTCHA screens.
This past weekend I ended up just deleting a post because the reCRAPTCHA wouldn’t end.

If TPTB are trying to dissuade us from posting on this site, they may end up getting their wish.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 18:49

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A while back I was thinking it might a box of Uptown Theater shows.

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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 19:46

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I was thinking it might be a 69 show but I don't think TPTB would release a 69 show right after releasing a 70 show. Now if it's a Chicago show I'd go with 1/30/78, 1/31/78 or 2/1/78 the reason being that it's been awhile since we had an official release from 1978.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 01:53

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Hit me like a diamond bullet in the brain-its 1976, surely. The reference to putting the Dead cds away for a while, to take them out when the morning comes could be a reference to their sabbatical at the end of 1974, and subsequent re-emergence in 76. Taking into account the fact that there hasn't been proper 76 box yet-a couple of Dicks Picks were 4 cd 2 show sets - then this seems most likely. I would prefer Fall 1972-but I can't see it myself.

For all fans of the post Syd, pre Dark Side Floyd, I would recommend the new remaster of Phaedra by Tangerine Dream. Its part of the new box set, but all the studio albums have been released individually. They are as cheap as chips and this one, the best of the bunch, sounds amazing. They seemed to me to take the space music Pink Floyd played as a basis for their own development. Mainly electronic keyboards, but you can't dance to it.

Whoops, I've got that "I'm not a robot thing" to do now. Maybe they think my post is potentially subversive.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 02:35

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I think you might be onto something Daverock. Also, from the first Bolo clue:
"Trapped....from earth......for what seemed like a decade......." "grace of God" "good to be back although my soul is still drained and weakened"

the decade= 65-75, grace of God = Blues for Allah

I'd love a 76 box. I've been listening to a lot of 76 lately. The instrumental blend is so perfect, really as good as pre-hiatus.

Happy 4th folks! I'd love to tag along with you, in spirit, HF on the Yampa! I'll be quiet, (in spirit), and you won't even notice I'm there.... it looks wonderful!

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 04:00

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...good morning my brothers & sisters out there in DeadLand...concerning Bolo’s last post/clue, it’s the next Daves Pick, #31, if I read it correctly?!
Have a grateful day everyone, and have a Happy Holiday 4th July, be safe be alive and rock on !!! God bless.
🙏❤️🤠

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 04:56

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...I’d like More 1979 please, Ill take my 3 sugars and cream with coffee,lol!
Also some 70’-72’, 76’, 82’-89’ or 90’-94’ would be welcomed as well, as long as the “Audio Quality” is Primo! 😉 which is my top priority for a Full Performance vs a Compilation Piece like the ‘Road Trip Series’...who am I kid’n, I love it all, “feed me Seymour!” Lol ha ha...

Been listen’n & enjoying my, ‘Fillmore West 1969’ boxset, my favorite boxset Release to date, for now...
peace be with you all my fellow brothers & sisters. Long live the Grateful Dead! 🙏❤️💀

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 06:18

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high fidelity would mean that the shows were recorded to reel to reel.

2-track or multi-track recordings or both. That should narrow it down a bit.

Edit:

Looks like it's Betty Boards from '76 along with 7/18/76.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 08:49

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First off, let the guy hang here without projecting his comments as clues. Okay, but because his subject line was about our patiently waiting -- a kind but total mis-read, this place is getting hot -- I put my naivete aside and join the speculation.

I don't have much, and he leaves us wondering if he's taunting about DaP 31 or the new box, but...

"every once in a while" could be completed as "get shown the light," a reference to Scarlet Begonias? "Under the bed" (no one puts their GD CDs on the floor under the bed, Bolo has book and CD shelves) ... probably means something. And "til the morning comes" could be a reference to when Morning Dew arrives. (Any shows with Scarlet and Dew?) Also, his line breaks are suspicious -- inviting a naive idjit like me to seek a pattern.

Goddammit Bolo, ya got me going again. Well played!

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Submitted by nappyrags on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 09:04

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from underneath a bedroom cabinet and it has my Download series CD's ...I had lost the files due to an HD crash so yes yes and yes...threw Vol 12 disc 2 in and had a great listen to St Louis '69...cracked up hearing Jerry say "Ok we have to stop playing or the police will take our road manager to jail..." at the end of an aborted "Caution"...also the bonus stuff at the end of the show is a rehearsal of The Eleven & Duprees recorded at the Avalon...have to star ripping these discs back to a couple of externals I use now, 8 TB both...some fun

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 09:33

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Never in a million years would I have thought that some folks might construe my latest post to be some sort of clue regarding the identity of a box set or DaP31. My apologies, as I'd NEVER want to mislead, confuse or otherwise discombobulate any of the kind souls here on this forum (cough...cough).

But, of course, the post was a clue. Not for the aforementioned products people are breathlessly anticipating, but for a "What's Taking So Dang Long?" contest. Something to do as we all mill aimlessly around while DL casually looks at his watch and ponders the summertime flora and fauna of Vancouver Island.

A careful read of my last entry will reveal a specific venue and associated concert(s). The first person to post the correct answer will receive an assortment of GD-related goodies valued at more than $100, but less than $1 million. As a bonus, if you can name the song that was played for the first time at said show(s), I'll throw in some extra ephemera.

Only one guess per screen name (no screen names created after July 1, 2019). Just post your conjecture here, and the earliest correct answer will get the goods.

Cheers and good luck!

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Submitted by RichardTorres on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 09:56

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Oooh...

I think it's Harding Theater, November 7, 1971 (and the previous night).

I wish I could hide away!

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Submitted by RoosSQ on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 10:10

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Long time listener. First Time caller.

Going with:

06/03-04/76

Oregon - Paramount Theater

Mission in The Rain on 06/04

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Submitted by perithecat on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 11:07

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I’m going to say the same answer as RoosSQ
However you’ll notice that my screen name was created before July 1st .
( happy to share my winnings though )

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Submitted by SkullTrip on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 11:08

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I'm guessing the full Fillmore East run from 9/17/70-9/20/70, since "Till the Morning Comes" was first played on 9/18.
Though I could be wrong.
I mean, I usually am.
Until I'm not.
But even then just barely.
I'd dig a '76 box, but "September 70: Fillmore East the Complete Recordings" is my official guess.
Officially.

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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 12:24

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12/26/70
12/27/70
12/28/70
Till the Morning Comes
1st time played
09/18/70
Last time played
12/26/70

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Submitted by RV3 on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 12:38

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Everyone is guessing dates from 1970 for DaP #31 with the "Til the Morning Comes Line"....I seriously doubt it is from 1970, that's what DaP #30 was from!!?!!

Perhaps it's the Harding Theatre..

The Felt Forum is tucked away under MSG and sort of hidden in the bowels of the NY Subway. Not that I have ever gotten a single one of the bolo riddles so far...….

If we can believe Bolo.. this is not a clue to the next release, which probably means it will be Dave's Picks 31.

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 16:20

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It will be announced tomorrow and will be one of the 4th of July shows.

In my best Colbert voice,,,,, send me award!

Are they for the Box Set or DaP31? Or both?

Predictions:
DaP31 - 6/3/76 Paramount Theater - Portland, Or.
5 songs make their debut/1st performance:
1. Might As Well (opener)
2. Lazy Lightnin' >
3. Supplication (both middle of 1st set)
4. Samson And Delilah (2nd set opener)
5. The Wheel (encore)

I know it's not a favorite but I think this show has my favorite version of 'Looks Like Rain'…BW and DJG are spot-on with vocals and harmonies as JG 'rains' notes around them.

Box Set:
Texas '72 - 11/19, 11/22, 11/24, 11/26. Rhino needs to hit a home run with this one…the last thing they need is another box set sitting in their warehouse. If that happens we may only see box sets every 2 years?

Box Set Dark Horse:
December '69: 12/20, 12/21, 12/26, 12/28-12/31. Includes the legendary Ark run. It would also be the 1st time Rhino tied a Box Set and a DaP together: last shows of '69 and the 1st shows of '70.

I have no idea if the shows are in the vault but it would be a win-win either way!

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Submitted by carlo13 on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 18:08

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He said "under the bed" and what is under the bed? Box spring and flip it would mean a spring box (set). Or mabey not. I had to guess something. Talk about a shot in the dark.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 18:21

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Why the fuggazi isn’t this show released?
Have never heard the Bob set, but if it’s Half as good as the JGB one with none other than Billy the K on the skins......

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Submitted by Cactus_Jack on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 18:57

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Harding

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 20:36

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Sheesh. This contest was over almost before it started!

Congrats to Richard Torres, correctly guessing the Harding Theatre, two 1971 shows, Hide Away made its GD debut.

Send me your address via PM and I'll get you your box o' goodies. Unless you're the same Richard Torres from the NSA who oversaw the implantation of an evil minibot on my cerebral cortex during my first alien abduction. If you're that guy, forget I was even on here.

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 23:15

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Also i predict new box is portchester nov70 with pristine complete 48 track recording

And bonus show 11 20 70

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Submitted by perithecat on Wed, 07/03/2019 - 23:35

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FYI all the nov 7th 1971 Harding show has been available on amazon now quite a while now ( in the uk anyway ) . Pleeeeaaaasssseeee can we have a uk/Europe distribution centre , otherwise any large box is a no no on account of getting absolutely stuffed with import tax . 🙀

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 07/04/2019 - 00:37

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. . ..I can hear your voice.
It's cool shit like that that keeps me coming back...n

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