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    Buckle up as we take a deep dive into Giants Stadium!

    What's Inside:

    5 Previously Unreleased Complete Giants Stadium Shows On 14 Discs

    7/12/87 (24-track masters)

    7/9/89  (24-track masters)

    7/10/89 (24-track masters)

    6/16/91 (48-track masters)

    6/17/91 (48-track masters)

    Blu-ray/DVD video of the complete 6/17/91 show, mixed in surround sound  Mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios Mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering with Plangent Processes restoration Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 10,000

    By 1987, the Grateful Dead had lived many of their nine lives but were about to embark on one not a soul had seen coming. In The Dark, their first studio album in seven years, had spawned a hit (A TOP 10 SINGLE FOR THE GRATEFUL DEAD?!) and "Touch Of Grey" begat a new generation with their fanny packs and their MTV and their undeniable quest to join the party already in progress. And boy, did the Dead let them in! But not without fine-tuning their sonic vibes to meet the new demand.

    "The Swamp," as Giants Stadium was affectionately known, along with the grandstands the Dead had been frequenting, would seemingly equate with BIGGER and LOUDER, but the band "remained determined to give equal weight to the more subtle, oblique elements; to the exploratory improvisation and rhythmic complexities; to the fine details of the most heart-rending ballads as well as the weirdest dissonances in the jams."

    With GIANTS STADIUM 1987/1989/1991, we retrace this journey from their 1987 breakthrough to their 1989 revelation ("the closest they ever came to sounding like a really polished stadium-level rock act, but the band’s penchant for breaking out of the constraints of song structure and into freewheeling improvisation will remind you just who you’re listening to here") to their transformative return in 1991, aided by elegance of Vince Welnick and Bruce Hornsby.

    GIANTS STADIUM: 1987, 1989, 1991 features five previously unreleased shows that were recorded at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ on: July 12, 1987; July 9 and 10, 1989; and June 16 and 17, 1991. Originally recorded by John Cutler, each show has been mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios in San Rafael, CA, and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering. The first three shows are mixed from 24-track masters. The final two from 1991 are the only Grateful Dead shows ever recorded to 48-track masters. We’re rounding things out with a little visual stimuli -  the entire multi-camera 6/17/91 concert recording on either two DVDs or a single Blu-ray, both with a surround mix by Norman.

    Due September 27th, this release is limited to 10,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net. We highly suggest you grab a copy while you can so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out.

    Prefer your boxed set byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

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  • #1531
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    Unfortunately.....

    ....there have been no official shows released that I attended. And the count is 50+. Oh well. One day. Attended every Vegas show. One day.
    Got a couple of Phish show's though.

  • #1532
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    Today Sirius noon show was 6/16/85.... Greek Theatre

    Had this show since summer of 86. Got in the car when Samson was starting... Listening to right now, Love the Scarlet>Fire!!!!

  • #1533
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    I only saw the Dead between 1980-1988. I would love it if they released one of those shows one day, but I don't lie awake at night thinking about it.
    I started listening to the Dead in 1974, and as a result (I think), I only really liked live stuff from '68-'73. I started out only buying Dick's Picks from this era. Road Trips also. And boxed sets too.
    However, when 30 trips came out, I only really wanted the first 10 shows from the box. I started ebaying them right on the day they were released. After acquiring the first 10 shows, I then picked up the '76 & '77 shows. Then I found the box (minus cds) for just about $100.00. Then I just kept looking at set lists, and wanting to try another and another. The 1984 show was the biggest surprise to me, a fantastic show. Eventually there were 5 shows I would NEVER buy. Funny thing but I now have all 30 shows!!
    I payed WAY more a la carte than I would have the box, but don't think I could have kept both the box and the bill a secret. Also, by getting shows a little at a time, I had much more time to enjoy each one.
    I learned that there were shows from ALL eras that I could enjoy, even though '66-'74 still get the most replays. I am only missing 4 boxes ('78, both '90's sets, and the 5 show '77 box). The only one I regret missing was the 5 show '77 box. I am only going to pick up the stand alone release from this new set, but that's enough to satisfy me.
    It's ok to pass on certain releases (obviously), but we don't have to call people who DO buy them stupid (or something worse).
    I truly enjoy having the option to listen to any version of the band, and I think it's cool that I have at least one show from every year.
    I very much enjoy these (almost philosophical) discussions on eras, what we like, and why we like it. Keep it coming!!

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    Love those shows, Alvarhanso. Love a lot of those Sp93 shows, for that matter. That Rosemont run is honestly among my favorite shows in the entire catalogue. ‘93 easily the most underrated year. Actually listening to 3/17 right now, really good, too!

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    Beware of the Wolf
    Appearing quite Dire
    He collects his dues
    While we sing
    Round the fire
    Wearing sheep’s clothing
    Got two eyes don’t see
    I was bitten this week
    Not one time but three

    You internet art peddler
    Please don’t murder me
    And don’t steal from me either
    I trusted you see
    But you dealt that deal anyways
    Shame on you
    Now shame on me

  • #1536
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    I'm one of the younger post-Jerry busriders, so don't really have too much homer investment, as I didn't attend any shows, though it could be homerism that makes me want a Greensboro box set. They played the Coliseum 7 times I think from 1980-91, and some good shows. Like this Giants box set, Greensboro had a great Dark Star with Bruce in the mix for April Fool's Day no less. I also wouldn't mind at all if 3/24/93 Dean Smith Center in Chapel Hill were to be released as a Dave's with filler from the next night. Or even if 4/12/78 at Cameron Indoor at Duke were part of the returned Bettys. I've seen the black and white video of that one quite a bit, and that's a high energy show. But I'm more about great sounding shows that have really top notch jamming. I agree the batting average is very good, certainly higher than Ty Cobb's .367, and the only deviants from the norm are somebody else's holy grail, so it balances out. There are a LOT of Dick's Picks and Download Series shows I don't listen to, so an occasional bump isn't bad at all. Just one less thing in an ever expanding rotation of great music. In the Download Series I even found that there are 1972 shows I don't like. That Seattle one from 7/21 just isn't my cup of meat.

    I'm going to get this box, and I imagine I'll enjoy it quite thoroughly. Though how many times I'll listen to it is hard to say. I'm not even diving into the PNW Box as much as I thought I would. Everybody and his brother had 5/19/74 as a top, top show, and it has its moments, but it doesn't blow me away as much as 5/17 or 6/22/73. But I also don't really have the time to re-check that analysis. They've released so much excellent stuff that I've ignored most of Europe '72 Complete in the last 5 years or so. I wish we all had Dick Latvala's schedule for listening to Dead at exceedingly high volumes, but alas.

  • #1537
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    Last few listens

    Living room:
    12-3-79 (3 times since receiving)
    12-9-81
    8-7-82
    7-31-82 set2 (playing now)

    Boise 83 up next.
    Thought that I’d listen to some of the most maligned releases.
    I listen to all eras and can accept if 1 out of 4 DaP’s is from a cassette master.

    It’s possible for me to listen to these shows in the living room this week because I balanced it with the several hours I spent listening in the car this week.
    2-13-70
    2-14-70
    5-2-70

    Hmmmmm.....how about a Plangentized “Fillmore February 1970 - East Meets West” Box? Opens up like a briefcase with Fillmore West on the the left and Fillmore East on the right.
    I’ll buy it.

    I listen to 1965-95 and buy all the complete, or nearly complete, show releases. I didn’t subscribe to RT at first because I didn’t want partial shows or compilations, but did buy the complete shows and eventually everything except 79 compilation and Cal Expo. I missed out on a few bonus discs for not subscribing.
    Missed out on FW 69, I think it sold out before I saw the email. Didn’t have internet in my apartment at that time. I did get copies and now have 27 and 28 on vinyl (which have been Plangentized).
    Missed out on the 72 steamer trunk because I hesitated (had bought a house a year earlier and was putting money into the house) and it was gone. I then paid the same amount for the AME. Learned a lesson there.

    The only released show that I was at is 7-17-89 (and it’s missing the end of the first set).
    I don’t need the shows I was at to be released, except for Tinley Park 90 (Brent’s last) on audio/video, since I already have copies of many of the shows. What’s missing are SBD copies of 6-27,28-95. Only AUD copies exist, don’t know why the SBDs aren’t in circulation, it’s not like these shows will ever see commercial release.

    Glad to be getting the Giants Box.
    Keep the releases coming and Plangentize all the good sounding reels.
    Also, are there 90’s DAT or PCM masters that are worthy of release? I would like to hear what one of those sounds like after getting Normanized.

  • #1538
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    Hhhmmmm? Interesting stuff gentlemen?
    If the recent wave of opinions here are any indication of just how diverse, and unfortunately divisive, this group is, Im not sure you could easily categorize so neatly? I think you could probably find a statistcal significance in a few groups with some similar traits i.e.,
    Early years show goers who prefer to listen to early years
    “ “ “ “ who listen to all years
    “ “ “ “ who prefer later years
    Later year show goers who prefer early years
    “ “ “ “ who listen to all years
    “ “ “ “ who prefer later years
    Etc, etc....

    But I guess Daverock’s question was how much influence being at a released show is?
    I would assume that most would at least be interested in a RELEASED show if they were at it....that doesn’t mean that all would by it. Maybe they didn’t like the show, or had a bad experience? Or obviously some just don’t like to listen to certain eras. Some perhaps only have so much listening time so tend to stick with thier favorites.
    Also, as we’ve discussed here before how suspect our memories are and how much the experience can sometimes skew our view so much that we’re surprised years later when we finally hear a recording of said show, for good, or for ill.
    Personally, for a long time, I had gotten to the place many are at where I felt “I have enough Dead, I’ll never listen to it all” etc, which of course I’m having to live with now as I missed out on much, and have spent great sums trying to make up for it. Fortunately, their are some extremely kind folks here who have helped with that!!! But...
    My criteria then was;
    1) was I at the show? (I still would like to have some kind of copy of every show I was fortunate to be at, but I sure as hell don’t expect most to be “released”)
    2) and/or if it was “a must have” particularly if it was from one of my favorite years, and that was it, otherwise I would not buy it. IDIOT!
    I passed on E72 partly because of cost at the time, but I know if it was something that I was at or really wanted I would have found a way. But being the dipshit that I am, I was like “the song lists are all the same”.......”I already have Europe 72” IDIOT!! Obviously I hadn’t really caught the Dark Star bug yet and become a full blown junkie! Which is ironic because DS has always been a favorite? I guess just not “the” favorite yet....
    Now, I feel like any show is worth at least considering and feel like if it’s an official release than tptb must of thought it worthy enough to produce it. Obviously that hasn't always played out, but I think most would agree that their batting average is pretty good, and official releases usually have enough of the boxes checked to be worthy of release, even if perhaps the contemplator won’t buy it or it’s not in their preference zone.
    For me that’s often the 77-78 years. I’ll listen to some, but not often, and there has been so much released, that I won’t usually be up to buy more. But I’ll totally agree and understand why those shows are released and would not begrudge another that is into those years etc. Luckily, my cousin usually does so I can get a copy purely for collection purposes, and given the chance, I’ll listen to ANY dead show at least once!
    But for me the fact is If it’s a show I was at it there is definitely I high probability I’ll get it.
    I also think it’s nice when they have multiple options, like being able to just get the main 91 show from this box. I’m sure many folks would like the meat and potatoes without having to buy the whole farm. I haven’t been in that situation yet, but I would think that will happen some time?
    Anyway, interesting thought? I’d be cool to hear others thoughts?

  • #1539
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    LMG - thoughts and prayers to you - may the power of music help

    LMG - thoughts and prayers to you - may the power of music help you thru it. Sending positive vibes your way.

    I'm psyched they're releasing the only two 48 track shows recorded. I think if they grouped it with the other shows on the same tour, the difference in sound quality would be noticeable. Just like the two 1990 boxes sound different. By including shows from other dates with other lineups it won't be as apparent.

    Any word what the Black Friday Vinyl release is as of yet?

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    Aagh! LMG!

    I am sooo sorry to hear that.

    I obviously don't know you personally, but we have the grateful connection.

    This summer has been a big reminder of mortality on many levels, personal, national, professional, and virtual.

    Stay strong, my brother. We care. Listen to the music play, and we will, too.

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Buckle up as we take a deep dive into Giants Stadium!

What's Inside:

5 Previously Unreleased Complete Giants Stadium Shows On 14 Discs

7/12/87 (24-track masters)

7/9/89  (24-track masters)

7/10/89 (24-track masters)

6/16/91 (48-track masters)

6/17/91 (48-track masters)

Blu-ray/DVD video of the complete 6/17/91 show, mixed in surround sound  Mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios Mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering with Plangent Processes restoration Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 10,000

By 1987, the Grateful Dead had lived many of their nine lives but were about to embark on one not a soul had seen coming. In The Dark, their first studio album in seven years, had spawned a hit (A TOP 10 SINGLE FOR THE GRATEFUL DEAD?!) and "Touch Of Grey" begat a new generation with their fanny packs and their MTV and their undeniable quest to join the party already in progress. And boy, did the Dead let them in! But not without fine-tuning their sonic vibes to meet the new demand.

"The Swamp," as Giants Stadium was affectionately known, along with the grandstands the Dead had been frequenting, would seemingly equate with BIGGER and LOUDER, but the band "remained determined to give equal weight to the more subtle, oblique elements; to the exploratory improvisation and rhythmic complexities; to the fine details of the most heart-rending ballads as well as the weirdest dissonances in the jams."

With GIANTS STADIUM 1987/1989/1991, we retrace this journey from their 1987 breakthrough to their 1989 revelation ("the closest they ever came to sounding like a really polished stadium-level rock act, but the band’s penchant for breaking out of the constraints of song structure and into freewheeling improvisation will remind you just who you’re listening to here") to their transformative return in 1991, aided by elegance of Vince Welnick and Bruce Hornsby.

GIANTS STADIUM: 1987, 1989, 1991 features five previously unreleased shows that were recorded at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ on: July 12, 1987; July 9 and 10, 1989; and June 16 and 17, 1991. Originally recorded by John Cutler, each show has been mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios in San Rafael, CA, and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering. The first three shows are mixed from 24-track masters. The final two from 1991 are the only Grateful Dead shows ever recorded to 48-track masters. We’re rounding things out with a little visual stimuli -  the entire multi-camera 6/17/91 concert recording on either two DVDs or a single Blu-ray, both with a surround mix by Norman.

Due September 27th, this release is limited to 10,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net. We highly suggest you grab a copy while you can so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out.

Prefer your boxed set byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Sun, 09/15/2019 - 20:36

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Candy-O and Peggy-O mysterious.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 09/15/2019 - 20:51

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....just Cars albums. An unfortunate phase. But, actually a blessing. Reminds me of high school and they have some really good songs. A perfect blend of pop/punk. Orr passed a few years ago. Rock on sirs.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 09/15/2019 - 21:21

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Didn't realize he was that old (75). I own the debut album and greatest hits. Don't know much about Rick as a person, but I think it says volumes about him that he wrote all of the songs and gave half of the major hits to Benjamin Orr to sing. Especially their sophomore album Candy-O. Rick had just written this smash debut album; his political pull would have been peaking, but instead of taking the two best songs for himself, he gave them to the guy who could sing them better (Lets's Go, and It's All I Can Do). But man did they burn out quickly. They went from air wave owners to recluses overnight it seemed.

I've been listening to some tracks on youtube. There's some kind of 80s auto play going on and Genesis / Abacab came on after a Cars tune. I love this song, always have. It ain't Supper's Ready, but hey, what was in '81.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 09/15/2019 - 21:29

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....tonight. I remember that song being played on the radio every thirty minutes. Like clockwork. Justified, because it's a great song.....man.....
An interesting thing about The Cars is that Orr and Ocasek had the same tone in their singing. Hard to tell them apart.
Upon closer inspection, Easton plays a pretty mean guitar. Yeeeeah!

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Sun, 09/15/2019 - 22:15

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Ric O, yall be way cool.

RIP

Thanks for the great music, bro

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 07:35

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re Country Music

ol' Jer made a (still photo) cameo, when a list of people who have covered Jimmie Rodgers was discussed.

what passes for "country" today (it filters down occasionally even to me..."I'm gonna roll my windows down"..."rain makes corn, corn makes whiskey, whiskey makes my baby a little frisky" (or something to that effect)...blech) and what was "country" back in the day are two different things.

you can't deny the influence of old school country on the GD sound, in any case.

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 07:36

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get rid of that stupid reCAPTCHA nonsense. please.

I had to go through SEVEN screens to get approved.

traffic lights, mountains and hills, traffic lights, buses...GRR.
DUMB.

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 09:03

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...Magic....I remember back in what, 6th or 7th grade, I made my first ever call to a radio station one night requesting they play 'Magic' by The Cars. It's one of my first music impressions that's stuck with me. 'Heartbeat City' was BIG on the ariwaves back then, and as VGuy stated, they played 'Drive' literally every 30 minutes on the radio....I recently bought a new copy of that CD about 2 years ago and recalled at what a great output it was/is.

RIP.

Sixtus

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Submitted by LedDed on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 10:14

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The Cars first two albums are gold. Candy-O, the song, came over the ipod when I was running Saturday, and I was like, hell yes! This is why I have the Cars in my shuffle. For those not knowing the deeper album cuts, go get those first two records right now. Elliot Easton is a blazing soloist whose tasty guitar would be right at home on a Steely Dan record.

It's not for me to say, but my personal feeling is that this began when Paulina left him. I've never known an older fella who could take it too well when the old lady leaves... I'm just sayin'. Sad.

Good Times Roll just came over the radio at work as I'm typing this - and the "captcha" on the site is "cars." You can't make this stuff up.

Sometimes, these things do come in threes. Eddie Money and Ric Ocasek in the same week? Hopefully there isn't a third. It does appear Eddie Van Halen is ill again. Best wishes to him and the Ocasek family.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 10:22

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Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band:
Safe as Milk
Bootleg from 4/22/74
Bootleg from NY, 1978
DaP 31
Garcia Live 11: 11/11/93

Certainly have rocked out to plenty of Eddie Money and The Cars in my life. R.I.P., fellas . . .

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 12:25

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a few years ago, I went to buy "something" at a friend's house.

I bought
we enjoyed the effects
Cars' Magic played
and it sounded reeeeeeally good

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Submitted by UncleJohn61 on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 15:05

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I bought the first Cars album when in came out in 1978 and saw them open for the Doobie Brothers that summer. I loved the song "Moving in Stereo" back then but every time I hear the opening notes, I see Phoebe Cates getting out of the pool in that red bikini. Every young man's dream. I need to watch Fast Times at Ridgemont High again.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 16:07

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Had the double cassette with each album on a side in the mid-80’s and it got a lot of play.

Coming in 3’s.
Neal Casal
Eddie Money
Ric Ocasek

Hopefully done.

And Rod Stewart appears to have beaten prostate cancer.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 16:22

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Wonder if that will mark the beginning of sending email shipping notifications, receipt of the Box by a lucky few, or nothing at all because the new warehouse failed in some way.

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 17:09

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Just to see them in that setting with the pyramids and lunar eclipse!!! So jealous... yes so many shows to go see in a time machine but that place just must have been amazing!!! Happy anniversary!! Love the Ollin Arageed to Shakedown!!! bobt

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 17:30

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It takes a fast car lady to lead a double life
It takes a slow star lady if you want to do it twice
You take your backseat rumble
Take your front seat wife
Takes a fast car lady to lead a double life...

Candy-O, a great album cover for a great album.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 09/16/2019 - 18:26

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Let's hope we get this baby this weekend with the moved up date!

I have been listening to Dave's 21 over the last couple of days. That monster show from April 2, 1973 at the Boston Garden. 34 songs! Unreal! Sound quality is amazing. My favorite China-Rider, great Box of Rain, the whole show Jerry seems to be doing something special. Here Comes Sunshine, WRS and then Eyes!
Made me think we might be due for March 24, 1973 at the Spectrum. Another killer Spring show and part of the cache of returned Betty Boards.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 06:57

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I love Dave's Picks 21 for the exact same reasons. I'm glad you mentioned the date of the show, because I can never remember the numbers. I just call that one Recommendations From The Dead, because Dick Latvala had wonderful things to say about that show in an article I read, I'll see if I can find it later and post it. Check out the last 2 minutes of Casey Jones. It's not like me to find a special moment in that song, but this performance is just intense at the end. I've compared the China Rider between this show and the March 28th show with the Scooby-Doo house cover, and I think it's this super sound quality of number 21 that gives China Rider a big edge in my mind.

Ah here it is. I am quoting Dick Latvala:

The version of "Eyes of the World" from
4/2/73- Boston is one of the best, as are versions of "Greatest Story Ever Told", "Big River", "China Cat-> Rider" and "Playingin the Band". But the highlight has to be the JAM segment following "Here Comes Sunshine.

End quote. That is one hell of an endorsement. I trust dick more than I trust Bobby or Phil when it comes to this stuff :D. Although he did often change his mind about things....

It's DP 23 from my morning commute. Don't have time to listen to the whole thing, so I did my favorite thing when it comes to cherry picking from1972 shows: I started off with Promised Land and followed up with Bird Song (like DP 36).

Here is the full article / blog from Dick:

http://www.agitators.com/gd/dick_1973.html

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 07:39

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I have some stuff in a storage facility
I was there over the weekend
another person was there, listening to some music
as I was loading the car, Buddy Holly's original version of Not Fade Away played

just...interesting.

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I was twelve when Fast Times came out, so was certainly not allowed to go see it. Never did see it, but was watching the first episode of the new season of Stranger Things last night, and enjoyed a pool scene in that, set to Moving In Stereo (still just a killer song . . . ). The characters were all discussing Phoebe Cates in the episode, and hanging out at the new mall.

All of this chat today drove me to investigate, and after seeing clips of Cates and Fast Times, the entire Stranger Things episode makes SOOOooo much more sense. Thanks!

Fast Times at Ridgemont High - that pool scene with Phoebe Cates.. goodness.

Mike Damone, 'evil scalper.'

People on Ludes should not drive.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 10:33

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Sigh.

Was so embarrassed when I lent out Fast Times on VHS to my future brother-in-law in the pre-DVD days; he returned it and said the "famous scene" looked all blurry and was marred with video tape tracking lines.

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Submitted by SkullTrip on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 11:12

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The Cars first album was the first album I ever purchased. $4.99 at Sam Goody. I still have it.

Years later, I was lucky enough to have drinks with Ric Ocasek and John Waters at the Club Charles in Baltimore (during the production of "Hairspray"). He was very cool and soft-spoken, but also very funny.

Bowie, Petty, The Cars -- all cornerstones of my youth. Time can be a real bitch.

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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 15:25

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...my dad's a tv repairman. I can fix this.

(tv repairmen...gone the way of the dodo...)

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Submitted by OKCDeadHead on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 17:30

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Haven’t been lurking here in a while but saw the talk today of Dave’s 21 and went back to parts of it on the drive home. Forgot just how great this release sounds. This is the right amount of Phil in this China>Rider!

As for DaP 32, I’m still thinking we’re due for a Fall ‘72. I guess we’ll see soon enough.

Excited for this box release though. Hoping the shipping emails start soon. Glad to see the date bumped up a week.

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Submitted by Trainwrecked on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 18:10

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Reading the Phoebe Cates posts from Stoltsfuz and Keith Fan and the rest of you with the Spicoli quotes. I started from the top of the page and worked my way down, laughing and then laughing some more. When I got to Keith Fan and the worn-out VHS tape I literally fell off my bar stool. I think we all wore that part of the tape out. Rewind, play, rewind, play, rewind, pause. Same thing happened to my Cornell tape at the end of Morning Dew.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 19:25

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.... Phoebe Cates double post. Sue me.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 19:30

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....I have no idea what you're talking about. I need to speak my lawyer please.
Hey. Jennifer Jason-Leigh was no slouch either. No one talks about her.
Excuse me. My lawyer just texted me. Brb.
Cone Kid. I spent Sunday night playing nothing but Cars concerts on YouTube. The Cars are still on tap today. They are what I consider timeless.

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 19:40

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Movie came out august 1982

So she would have been 18 when filming

Wow...what a scene.

JJL....wheeee!

Care for a carrot, ladies?

....by the string of her bikini. Ok. I'm done.
If I recall correctly, Heartbeat City was the first record that I made my mom drive me to Tower Records to purchase on release day. I'm pretty sure I'm correct. Or was it The Warehouse? Another liquidated music store. Got my driver's license soon after. Tower Records ended up getting a lot of my money at that point.
Memories man. Memories.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 20:42

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....reminds me about how much the Dead were trendsetters (I can say that, right?). Every set was the same. As it was for 93.6% of bands. Iron Maiden rarely strays. But when it comes to the Grateful Dead, you never knew what was in store.
I promise, as soon as the Expanded version of Heartbeat City ends, they are up to bat. I just realized, I haven't listened to any GD since Sunday. That is weird. Trust me.
Segue. My Dolphins are literally trying to be the worst NFL team EVER!
Vegas Golden Knights are 2-0 in preseason. When life gives you lemons, lean on ones locally born team. Recipe for success.
Unless you were born in Miami. But I digress....

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Submitted by kevinbrandon on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 22:27

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I wonder if Phoebe Cates would laugh at her name being flung all over a Grateful Dead site.... Ok one more Fast Times comment but doesn't Mike Damone look like a young Alex Van Halen....."Now when you order order for the lady...it's a classy move, Now the lady will have the linguine with the white clam sauce and a coke with no ice"

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 22:33

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....with a disclaimer. "As part of our ongoing efforts to deliver your item(s) quickly, your package might not have a packing slip. If you want to double check the details of your order you can take a look at the summary below."
I'm not quite sure what that means. A hot mess is the first term that comes to mind. I'm texting my lawyer. Why the fuck should I have to double-check my order? Ugh.
I need some Phoebe. Ok. Really. This time I'm done....

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 22:47

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Got my shipping notice as well. I was also on a little dead break lately, but my 50th anniversary Aoxomoxoa came today so I gave the live disc a spin, some cool stuff on there, Clementine caught my ear on the first listen.

Been on a non-dead, mostly late '70s kick lately ... Blondie - Parallel Lines, Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True, Joe Jackson - Look Sharp! (listened to that about 4 times, cool album), Cars - Candy-O, Blood Sweat and Tears - Blood Sweat and Tears, The Who - Tommy.

Funny how many posts that reference to Fast Times generated, might be time for another viewing.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 09/17/2019 - 22:55

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....I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that a majority of us are within the 45-55 yo Goldilocks Zone.
I just got some really good weed, so don't listen to me. This ain't my papi's stash.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Wed, 09/18/2019 - 06:26

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Vguy you make me laugh. "I want to party with that dude" I barely made it into your Goldilocks zone, but you are on the mark.

Holyshit I am at a red light next to a cement mixer that's spinning with about a 6in steel my face sticker on it. I want to party with that dude too.

The Fast Times line my brother and I always quote to each other is during his dream sequence when he's surfing and being interviewed after winning the competition: "Where'd you get that jacket?!?" "The network gave it to me Jeff..." I don't know why, but that one gets me everytime.

My freshman year in college there was a guy we nicknamed Spicoli, and it stuck. He was one of the coolest cats I ever ran into, and he bumped across the hall from me, so there was a lot of late-night wred, beer and Led Zeppelin. I was chiefly in my Zeppelin phase at that time, and it was his favorite band. We mixed Robert Plant's manic nirvana in there too. Yeah that was a great record. It didn't have as many hits as the one before it whose title I forget, but it was heavier and had that awesome song tie-dyed on the highway, with the Wavy Gravy intro from Woodstock. Kind of funny he wrote a song about Woodstock, considering he didn't go with his band. In hindsight, there were some real great bands that turn down that gig for one reason or another. How did the stones not go? The doors? Even the Beatles could have gotten something together, though they were all but done by that point.

Trainwrecked I have this vision of you sitting at a bar by yourself with your cell phone out reading dead net posts. I've been there buddy, I've been there. What does FOMBS mean? Google doesn't even know. Yeah I was that curious.

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Wed, 09/18/2019 - 06:27

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...'cause I got my shipping notice as well for this behemoth. Very much looking forward to these shows, man. And that Blu Ray will look damn fine on my 80-inch'er with booming surround.

I also found the various Fast Times references to be a jolly trot down memory lane. Watching those "old" movies through the eyes of our "now times" is quite interesting. The things they used to get away with - aka no one even batted an eye - sigh. Wishing for simpler times I suppose.

That's when we put in one of these shows, turn it up to 11, and enjoy the simplicity of the utter complexity of Good 'Ole GD.

Sixtus

P.S. - KeithFan & DEAD Dreams - Absolutely, yes, yes. I have had a recurring dream - it used to happen a lot more, but I definitely have had and DO have dreams of being at a Dead show...it is mostly the ANTICIPATION of the boys going on stage....but I can even see the venue in my dream - it's sort of looks like the old Roman Colosseum, but it goes down instead of built up (aka it's built down into the ground) and I have this vision blazed into my head of me & some friends walking along the top and looking down and seeing Jerry and all the boys playing, with the music enveloping us and mostly just that overwhelming giddy feeling of anticipation/joy at seeing them there, playing, making everyone else as happy as I am in my dream.  It's EXTREMELY vivid.  I could shoot it to film if I had the actors to do it, it's that ingrained.
So, yes, you are certifiable.  But I suppose, so aren't we all?

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Submitted by Exile On Main St. on Wed, 09/18/2019 - 06:52

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Thank you for your Bird Song analysis. I have been meaning to post about it. I listened after reading your comments and you're absolutely right. I would love to have been a fly on the wall when they figured out how to play that part. I wonder why they changed it in the 80s? If I had to guess, I would say its too intricate for Bob Weir to enjoy playing. I noticed that he also skips out on China Cat Sunflower in the 80s and 90s. There was some very similar guitar work in that song.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 09/18/2019 - 08:50

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Listening to the Dijon CD from 30 Trips...... Would love the complete tour 3 England, 1 Germany, and 3 France shows.... Or how about a Fall 74 box where you could throw in the 7 Europe shows and the 5 Winterland October shows!!! Dreaming because i know we have parts of the 3 Alexandria Palace shows, parts of the 5 Winterland shows, and the whole Dijon.....

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