GIANTS STADIUM 1987, 1989, 1991 BOXED SET

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August 1, 2019 - 11:33am

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Buckle up as we take a deep dive into Giants Stadium!

What's Inside:

5 Previously Unreleased Complete Giants Stadium Shows On 14 Discs

7/12/87 (24-track masters)

7/9/89 (24-track masters)

7/10/89 (24-track masters)

6/16/91 (48-track masters)

6/17/91 (48-track masters)

Blu-ray/DVD video of the complete 6/17/91 show, mixed in surround sound Mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios Mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering with Plangent Processes restoration Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 10,000

By 1987, the Grateful Dead had lived many of their nine lives but were about to embark on one not a soul had seen coming. In The Dark, their first studio album in seven years, had spawned a hit (A TOP 10 SINGLE FOR THE GRATEFUL DEAD?!) and "Touch Of Grey" begat a new generation with their fanny packs and their MTV and their undeniable quest to join the party already in progress. And boy, did the Dead let them in! But not without fine-tuning their sonic vibes to meet the new demand.

"The Swamp," as Giants Stadium was affectionately known, along with the grandstands the Dead had been frequenting, would seemingly equate with BIGGER and LOUDER, but the band "remained determined to give equal weight to the more subtle, oblique elements; to the exploratory improvisation and rhythmic complexities; to the fine details of the most heart-rending ballads as well as the weirdest dissonances in the jams."

With GIANTS STADIUM 1987/1989/1991, we retrace this journey from their 1987 breakthrough to their 1989 revelation ("the closest they ever came to sounding like a really polished stadium-level rock act, but the band’s penchant for breaking out of the constraints of song structure and into freewheeling improvisation will remind you just who you’re listening to here") to their transformative return in 1991, aided by elegance of Vince Welnick and Bruce Hornsby.

GIANTS STADIUM: 1987, 1989, 1991 features five previously unreleased shows that were recorded at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ on: July 12, 1987; July 9 and 10, 1989; and June 16 and 17, 1991. Originally recorded by John Cutler, each show has been mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios in San Rafael, CA, and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering. The first three shows are mixed from 24-track masters. The final two from 1991 are the only Grateful Dead shows ever recorded to 48-track masters. We’re rounding things out with a little visual stimuli - the entire multi-camera 6/17/91 concert recording on either two DVDs or a single Blu-ray, both with a surround mix by Norman.

Due September 27th, this release is limited to 10,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net. We highly suggest you grab a copy while you can so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out.

Prefer your boxed set byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

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August 3, 2019 - 6:36am

#1701

LedDed

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Classical Jazz

In my opinion, which means nothing, the Grateful Dead are much like jazz and nothing like classical. Classical music is meant to be played note for note and exactly the same, every time. There is no room to branch out or jam in classical music. In a sense, though immensely talented, classical musicians are like robots. I would call classical composers artists of the highest order. I would not call a classical musician an artist, because they are just re-creating, not creating. I'll bet that would get the feathers up on a highly trained classical musician, but that's how I see it.

Jazz is what got me heavily into the Dead. The freedom, not knowing where it's going, never playing it the same way twice. The freshness and endless possibility. That's what you don't get with Mozart, but you do with Garcia, Art Pepper, etc.

\m/
August 3, 2019 - 6:34am

#1702

Lovemygirl

Joined:
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*Re/ First Grateful Dead Concert...

...I still have memories of my first Grateful Dead concert. My uncle, my mother’s younger brother, took me to the two East Rutherford, NJ concerts on 4//16/83 & 4/17/83. I was only six years old, wearing my favorite pair of OshKosh B’Gosh trousers and my red Spider-Man t-shirt. My uncle put his stash in my big Ol pockets lol ha ha and that’s the day I got my nickname, ‘Bones’! I still remember the party before the show in the parking lot. It looked like a giant playground & barbecue with these young eyes. I remember seeing mother’s breast feeding openly. No blanket or cloth covering the breast like you might see today. Back then, in the world of “deadheads” or “freaks” what ever label you choose, I guess it was just more open or accepted the ideas of being Nude. Lol, crazy some might say ha ha but what ever makes you happy and doesn’t cause harm to others, it’s ok in my book. Someone bought me a T-shirt, I believe it was my uncle but it might of been one of the many other people/friends we were with. Of course the size was 5xTimes my size but I still wore it, with pride! I wore that T-shirt from grade school thru after college. I finally put her to rest in my dresser drawer because she was falling apart and I wanted to save it. I still have it. At that time I knew only three songs the Grateful Dead performed over those two days. ‘Johnny B Good’, ‘Iko Iko’ and ‘Not Fade Away’. We had a lot of 45’s back then, hundreds it seemed, until it grew to thousands in time, as I’m a record collector. My grandmother loved all those artist like Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, Elvis, Chuck Berry ect. I don’t have mememories of any songs they performed but I do remember dancing to the music! A lot of dancing!!! Everyone was dancing or laying down it seemed but where ever you looked it was just ‘Smile Smile Smile’ after ‘Smile Smile Smile’! I think that was the best part of the concert, that Love & Peaceful feeling/vibe you experience inside yourself, like the feeling of being totally at one with yourself or the comfort of being at ‘Home’. Ahhh, yes!, that kind of feeling, the one everyone longs to have. Love each other my brothers & sisters, Love is the answer.
Have a grateful day everyone, peace be with you all & listen to the music play , let it take you away...🙏❤️😎
* Today’s my Birthday! 42...so I’m starting my day with Listening to the Grateful Dead’s Studio Album, ‘Terrapin Station’, one of my favorite LPs the band released, especially Love the remaster release from 2004 which was also included in the ‘Beyond Description’ 1973-1989 Boxset. Just a beautiful sounding album, job well done! I love the ‘Fire On the Mountain’ Studio Outake which was included as ‘Bonus Material’. Give that another listen folks, PRIMO. And I Can’t forget to mention the groovy LIVE ‘Dancing In The Streets’ to end the CD! Sweet, I forgot which show this version comes from. Does anyone remember ?
Take care, Rock On!
August 3, 2019 - 5:07am

#1703

direwulf

Joined:
October 15, 2007

Jazz is Dead

IF Jazz is human scale and the Dead are orchestral and more like classical music, where does that leave us with the Dead and big band jazz? :)
August 3, 2019 - 4:10am

#1704

fourwindsblow

Joined:
October 13, 2008

Live Dead/Bears Choice/Roses/E72/Dead Set

I loved these tapes wore them out since It's the only live stuff I had at the time. I loved Live Dead the most.

First show 9/22/87 age 19 now 51.
August 3, 2019 - 3:08am

#1705

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Provocative posts

I always enjoy reading strongly expressed feelings, whether I agree with the sentiment expressed or not. What is a drag is when one poster sees fit to personally attack another one.
August 3, 2019 - 3:03am

#1706

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Latter years-Smyler

Your post several pages ago sums up very much how I feel about the recordings of the band during their latter years. Your is the first critical post I think I have read about the Warlocks box set. I have always been confounded by its appeal. I have tried it at various times-but its always a real chore getting through it. Terrible version of Eyes of the World on one of the discs. I wonder if the shows were elevated because of the set lists. Just as a dull looking set list can still be a great show, so a great looking set list does not necessarily mean that the show is great.

Conversely the second Spring 1990 box-which is contemporaneous with the Terrapin Unlimited set that you praise is full of sparkling shows.
August 2, 2019 - 11:45pm

#1707

Dennis

Joined:
November 1, 2012

Jerry, Brent, Merle and B3's

I recall reading something once from Jerry where he said something like when Merle played he was the center of the universe. Jerry seem to really like playing against a whirling Wurlitzer and I REALLY, REALLY love that sound. Probably my growing up in skating rinks with live organ music. The place we skated had a large floor, color lights from the ceiling made circular patterns on the floor, speakers were in the ceiling about every 15 feet and the organ was at the end behind glass, with Andy DeVito at the keys. You'd be humming around the floor with the color lights and sound swirling. And Andy would control the speed of the floor with his playing. He could cook on the keys and that floor be flying. It was an amazing thing. And I never tripped while doing it as a kid, but it sure felt like it. Years later during dead shows Brent's B3 leslies would send me off on the circular tracks again in my mind!
August 2, 2019 - 11:37pm

#1708

Dennis

Joined:
November 1, 2012

Maybe this will create thougthful conversation

I hope this ground hasn't been covered,,, my memory is shit.

You always hear talk about the Dead and Jazz, how their the same and different, blah, blah. I was listening to something the other day and no I don't remember what, and I had a thought about how maybe the dead weren't as much jazz as they were more classical in their structures. That the larger sound they had took on more orchestral properties than jazz. I my drifting, flash thoughts, jazz is never large, jazz is human size.

Not sure, passing thoughts. Anybody else?
August 2, 2019 - 11:31pm

#1709

Dennis

Joined:
November 1, 2012

Dylan covers

I swear I read once Dylan consider Garcia to be the best interpreter of his songs.
August 2, 2019 - 11:11pm

#1710

Dennis

Joined:
November 1, 2012

Cousin of Nappy and Oscar

FYI - I have one of the Resonance recording of Nat Cole coming,,, early stuff 36-42? Love me some Nat.

Nice mood album, Nat King Cole's - the complete after midnight sessions,,, wow!

The complete trio recording very nice.

I assume you know the archive has a section devoted to 78 recordings. I've downloaded quite a few things from there.

John Perry Barlow

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Buckle up as we take a deep dive into Giants Stadium!

What's Inside:

5 Previously Unreleased Complete Giants Stadium Shows On 14 Discs

7/12/87 (24-track masters)

7/9/89 (24-track masters)

7/10/89 (24-track masters)

6/16/91 (48-track masters)

6/17/91 (48-track masters)

Blu-ray/DVD video of the complete 6/17/91 show, mixed in surround sound Mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios Mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering with Plangent Processes restoration Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 10,000

By 1987, the Grateful Dead had lived many of their nine lives but were about to embark on one not a soul had seen coming. In The Dark, their first studio album in seven years, had spawned a hit (A TOP 10 SINGLE FOR THE GRATEFUL DEAD?!) and "Touch Of Grey" begat a new generation with their fanny packs and their MTV and their undeniable quest to join the party already in progress. And boy, did the Dead let them in! But not without fine-tuning their sonic vibes to meet the new demand.

"The Swamp," as Giants Stadium was affectionately known, along with the grandstands the Dead had been frequenting, would seemingly equate with BIGGER and LOUDER, but the band "remained determined to give equal weight to the more subtle, oblique elements; to the exploratory improvisation and rhythmic complexities; to the fine details of the most heart-rending ballads as well as the weirdest dissonances in the jams."

With GIANTS STADIUM 1987/1989/1991, we retrace this journey from their 1987 breakthrough to their 1989 revelation ("the closest they ever came to sounding like a really polished stadium-level rock act, but the band’s penchant for breaking out of the constraints of song structure and into freewheeling improvisation will remind you just who you’re listening to here") to their transformative return in 1991, aided by elegance of Vince Welnick and Bruce Hornsby.

GIANTS STADIUM: 1987, 1989, 1991 features five previously unreleased shows that were recorded at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ on: July 12, 1987; July 9 and 10, 1989; and June 16 and 17, 1991. Originally recorded by John Cutler, each show has been mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios in San Rafael, CA, and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering. The first three shows are mixed from 24-track masters. The final two from 1991 are the only Grateful Dead shows ever recorded to 48-track masters. We’re rounding things out with a little visual stimuli - the entire multi-camera 6/17/91 concert recording on either two DVDs or a single Blu-ray, both with a surround mix by Norman.

Due September 27th, this release is limited to 10,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net. We highly suggest you grab a copy while you can so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out.

Prefer your boxed set byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

In My Life....

....ended. Short but sweet, now Wait is up. Dammit. Now I need to listen to the whole record. No regrets.

Run For Your Life....

....now, this particular song is dark as fuck. 12 year old me just enjoyed the rhythm. 51 year old me says "Damn Beatles, y'all getting vengeful."
It's an evil song with an awesome beat.

JA

My favorite Jefferson Airplane varies from time to time, but Surrealistic Pillow and Crown of Creation seem to consistently occupy that position, both are good from start to finish. Really dig If You Feel on Crown of Creation, and some of the mellow stuff like My Best Friend or How Do You Feel from Surrealistic Pillow, absolutely can't go wrong with either album. Also, if you haven't already, check out Quah by Jorma, some really nice mellow songs on that album.

Divert Alert!!....

....Burgers by Hot Tuna just might be better than any Airplane record. Might.
I prefer my Burger with pickles and American cheese.

Michelle

My belle
These are words that go together well
my Michelle

Michelle, my belle
Sont des mots qui vont très bien ensemble
Très bien ensemble

How rude.

Burgers

Vguy, you are correct, sir, Burgers by Hot Tuna is a great album. The debut Hot Tuna album is awesome as well, just a cool sound to some of that stuff. I saw Hot Tuna at the Chance in Poughkeepsie, NY in the mid-80's and it was a fantastic show. The Chance is an old opera house, so acoustics in the balcony were excellent and it provided a cool view of the stage from above. Good times.

And I love her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsUB6Jia4v4

Any PMJ fans? All their folks are way too talented...leave some for the rest of us. Your princess is in another castle.

JA - Hot Tuna Transition Point

The JA album Bark is interesting because half of the album seems more like Hot Tuna - songs Wild Turkey, Feel So Good and Third Week in the Chelsea. The song Pretty As You Feel on that album is possibly my favorite single song by JA, and the rest of the album is not my favorite. But the good stuff still makes the album worthwhile, Feel So Good and Pretty As You Feel alone justify the album.

She said she'd always been a dancer

Not gonna lie...I always get a kick out of those old dance videos. Very impressive. Just like the music, I like the compilations that blend all the different styles.

A great one, to Uptown Funk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1F0lBnsnkE

This one's been around so long, I think it was emitted when the big bang invented the internet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab9i0s4WEY0

And one you all may know.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHf6tiFkr2s

Jefferson Cheeseship

White Rabbit is just a monster of a song. Grace is bone chilling... and I mean that in the sense of, gives me the chills, not baked out across a couch. What's that other single? Somebody to Love. Meh... the early Jefferson Airplane records were like the rest of the San Francisco sound at the time, tinny and thin, horribly produced.

Shout out to Jorma and Jack for being the blues backbone of that band and carving out a subsequent career.

Led Zeppelin (one, the first album) radically improved sonics in the rock album industry. "Distance makes depth," Page would say, regarding miking John Bonham's drums. Of course Bonham wielded his drumsticks like the mighty hammer of Thor, which did make things easier, but still - the first Zep album blew everything else away sonically. The next best at the time would have been what George Martin did with the Beatles. The Stones got there, eventually.

Cream were horribly produced, and it's a damn shame. There's a Cream box called, "Those Were The Days." To my knowledge, it's most everything the band did including a beer commercial - that's right, have a peek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z9tXP5IsRg

Now that both Jack and Ginger have crossed over, it's too bad their groundbreaking work along with Slowhand wasn't produced by Jimmy Page - it's a bit thin.

Which connects this ramble to Jefferson Airplane. Moments of brilliance, disappointing sonics.

Jefferson Starship, however, sounds exponentially better:

Jane
Miracles
Find Your Way Back
Count On Me

(We Built This Shitty) will go unmentioned for obvious reasons.

\m/

Jefferson Starplane

Bathing at Baxters was always the stand out JA album for me, and still is.

I also still like the trio of albums that were credited to various people, but were seemingly orchestrated by Paul Kantner ... "Blows Against the Empire" "Sunfighter" and "Baron Von Tollbooth," the latter home to the original Mind Left Body track. All feature Jerry on guitar on some tracks, to great effect.
It should also be noted that although "Blows.." is credited to Jefferson Starship, it is light years ahead of the easy listening mid 70s Jefferson Starship. In my opinion.

some things

In My Life,,, tear jerker for sure, maybe what wows me the most is the difference between the age of the "singer" and the age the "writer" was at the time. Want a nice cover? I always loved Bette Midler's cover of this song on the "For the Boys" soundtrack. (oh yeah, huge shoutout for "Stuff Like That There" from the same soundtrack)

PMJ - How can you not like stuff like that! I'm not use to seeing a tap dancer locked into one place, most be hard. Most tappers seem to "travel" while tapping. (my opinion)

Muleskinner - you sly devil. You put up that "David Hoffman" link. I watched, first you know there is not political talk allowed here. Second I didn't know "Bernie" had a career before politics and went under the name David Hoffman! (…. So then, Earl says to me, Maybe it time we go to lunch and we went, but we did not eat with the top 1%! We ate at a local café and had local food!) (in my best Bernie voice)

Again this site sucking money out of me. Everyone mentions so many artist it's impossible to keep up.

UK Delivery

Foghat

I’m staying positive. My item has been labelled for UPS but doesn’t appear to have shipped yet. It does say they are using UPS Worldwide Saver and that sounds expensive. The UPS website describes this as

‘UPS Worldwide Saver offers guaranteed afternoon delivery in 1-3 days for your international shipments. Export: Delivery by end of day. Next business day delivery to Canada and for documents to Mexico.’

Let’s hope for the best. If anyone from the distribution team reads these pages can they check the correct delivery method is being used before too many leave the warehouse.

UK Delivery - or not...

Shipments to the UK seem to be releasing one by one, over a period of time. My order still shows as “processing, not shipped”. Needless to day, my various inquiry emails to Customer Service have gone unanswered...

Good news?

Despite the optimistic mail that stated "Good news. Your order is on the way." when I check the UPS tracking, the only entry says "Label created. Order Processed: Ready for UPS" which was dated 11th. It does not indicate that it has shipped yet. Delivery to my address in the Netherlands is supposed to happen by the end of the day on the 14th. I will be extremely surprised to see a shit-brown van pull up outside my house tomorrow.

I cannot figure out why Rhino take a lot of care to get the music mastered to a high standard but then cut as many corners as possible and try to save as much money as possible on CD manufacturing (but that backfired on them), customer service and now warehousing. This really makes no sense to me.

Assorted Ramblings

Giants; really getting a lot of mileage out of this one. The 87 is nice and tight, of course the 89s are great, FALL 89 DAVE! , but the more I check out 91 the more I want to check out!
Ripping madness: been ripping up discs from dawn till doom.....my Xmas “miracle” just keeps getting better and better...of course went for the 73 and 74 stuff first, TASTY! Probably will shift into 69 position next, get me some dirty dead!
BLU-RAY Audio.......BRING IT! That would be beyond amazing! I’m sure they won’t because probably not enough demand, but you know “a girl can dream”
JA etc.....not as up on all that as I should be.....always sorta love/hate with them.....some stuff is awesome but some is kind of awkward, imho....Blows against the Empire is my go to favorite, Quah is an all time favorite. If I’m in the mood for that style it’s usaully Quah that gets played....Actually one time we saw Jorma he was sitting down like he was playing solo acoustic, but was using an electric with all kinds of peddles and pitch transposers, all kinds of weird shit. It was at this smallish Jazz club back in Buffalo called the Tralf. So we score the table right in front of him, like we were pouring him beers etc......great night! Speaking of cool tiny venues,
THE CHANCE: that place was so cool, saw the Radiators and ? Something else?, perhaps Little Feat? Can’t recall, remember the Rads show though, really fun night.
EUROPE: good luck to all our brothers and sisters across the pond! Hopefully all y’all won’t have all the hassles this time around. But if it helps, I’d say the general consensus is this ones gonna be worth it!! Can’t understand how the modern world with all the so called improvements seems to just completely fuck up even the most simple things. I guess that’s what happens when the only thing that’s seems to matter anymore is money? This darkness has got to give!
Ok, unfortunately these damn bookshelves aren’t going to build themselves, so back to work....

Oh No, It Wasn't The Airplanes Killed the Beast...

...it was beauty killed the beast. Check out the album Bless It's Pointed Little Head for some killer live JA. Smoking.

blows against the empire

The Jefferson Starship of BATE has no relation to the later band and the trademark/copyright issues.
This first starship was a PERRO project (planet earth rock and roll orchestra) ...the bay area musician's
concept... many of which are on that most classic of albums.
cheers

Charlie/pointed head

Yassss, a dear departed friend (Died years ago at 42, first friend to go is tuff, especially so young..), he was always turning me on to great stuff I probably otherwise might never heard of (kind of like hanging out here), anyway, he looooved the airplane. That’s where I got turned on to Blows. so I’m assuming he’d have broke out pointed little head, he certainly talked about that and chromium nun a lot.....so maybe I’ve heard, but I don’t remember....perhaps I should talk to Santa bout some space shipped out airplane tuna!
It’s mind blowing how you can spend so much of your life diggin’ tunes and still miss so much!

Pointed Head

Some stonkingly good bad ass bass on that one.

Bless it's Pointy Little Head....

....it's a Jack Casady fest!
Airplane are a definitely aquired taste. Some hit. Some miss. Hot Tuna usually hits the target more often than not. Jorma and Jack storming along.

Bless Its Pointed Little Head

Among the very finest live albums out there! Jack Casady's bass playing is worth the price of admission. The 2004 remaster has several additional songs and would be the one to look for if you are new to this album and plan to make a purchase. I revisit this album frequently...

All the best...

PLH

Thanks guys.....hear that Santa?, I need some more space shipped airplane tuna!

My teenager in me reminded me....

.... "remember Queensryche?" Yes I do. Thanks inner Vguy.
Holds up....

JA Takes Off has some good stuff

They cool

7 1 78

Started listening to this again

Glad to listen on cd
I guess it was hot that day
Not a fan of the hot

7.1.78....

....the best of the box. Apologies to Red Rocks. Sometimes the sweat brings out the best.

UK Delivery

Bluray box number 3769 just arrived safely in the UK this morning within 3 days of being shipped by UPS Saver despite missing part of my address on the shipping label. As expected, I had to pay £26.88 in "Government Charges" (aka VAT/Sales/Import Tax at 20%) and £11.50 in "Brokerage Charges" (aka UPS ripoff fee).

Unclear why the new warehouse (run by Direct Shot Distributing in Franklin, IN) took over 3 weeks to ship but at least I didn't get a demand for £75 freight as happened with Dave Picks 31. Hopefully they'll get DaP32 right.

Listening for after work tonight sorted.

UK delivery

This sound promising - got the normal email from the deadstore with the information "shipped" /"on it's way- finally... on saturday.
Estimated delivery october 14th - still waiting in Oslo, Norway...

Just processing

Waiting for a shipped-mail since weeks. Helplessly waiting ... somebody else?

7/1/78

Vguy-i always loved that first show too. I think that might be my favorite Estimated of all time.

I’ve been getting a ton of mileage out of this Giants box. It is really well done and sounds better than most. I’ve been playing the shows from this box, along with the shows from the 2 Spring 90 boxes on shuffle from my computer at work-has been such a joy (and a great way to make work more enjoyable)....

On the way...

Well, my box set is supposedly on its way according to the UPS website. But wait, it arrives when?
In Transit
Rescheduled Delivery Date:
3/10/2020 by End of Day

Just got my CD/DVD (was…

Just got my CD/DVD (was ordered some time ago, but as a birthday gift - so only opened it this morning). Its awesome. Well worth the wait. Great packaging and great presentation. Great booklet. Great images. Great, everything. My only suggestion would be that folks who shelled out for the CDs ought to be given a digital download as well. As it is, in order to play this on my iphone, I need to go and rip it off the cds and make it digital on my computer. Not a huge hassle, but not fully seamless. To include the digital download for folks who have purchased the hard copy doesn't seem that difficult (and I know Dead.net has done that for other releases in the past). In any case, I was at each of these shows and reliving the 87 show right now (my poor office mates won't hear anything else today).

80sFan 7/1/78

I'm putting it on right now, thanks for the tip. I've listened to that Estimated several times since the box came out, but I may not have been HEARING it, as they say.

One of my favorite things about this message board is finding out what other people think is top shelf. Heck I have a soundboard show from 8/30/69 on my phone titled "Vguy's Dark Star", as well as a warning in the notes field of the DaP 9 Dark Star that says "careful, gives Jim nightmares".

We'll see where a focussed listen to the 7/1/78 Estimated leads me. As far as Estimateds go I've long been a fan of DP 18 from early Feb '78, and I also think the 30 Trips and DaP 15 are pretty good. 78s are where Estimateds are at IMHO.

Re: Favorite Estimated's

7/1/78 is high on my list too.. but I can never nail down favorite versions. They seem to always be the last one I listened to or the next one I am going to listen too.

7/1 is such an unusual show and I think forcing them out of their fixed grid opened up other areas of creativity. The whole show is crackling with energy.

06/17/91 Drums

06/17/91 Drums. Absolutely amazing. Those two knew how to fill a huge stadium with such strange sounds. I've always loved "drums" from the later Dead days, and this is a great one.

Led ded falstaff

That falstaff/cream commercial is funny as hell.

Rocking the Cradle

Another good Estimated from 1978 is on the bonus disc of Rocking the Cradle, from 9/15/78. They aren't the best shows of the year, these from Egypt, but that Estimated, tucked away out of sight, is one of my favourite versions.

I also agree that 7/1/78 is the best show in the 78 box.

7/1/78 is good

but to say it's better than 7/8/78...

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooo.

through gritted teeth: I am NOT a robot.

7/1/78

Guess I need to revisit this one. I remember the 4th quarter being really good IIRC, but seemed like the show before that and up to that point had a fair amount of slop and flubs. I'll give it another spin though.

7/1/78

Easily my favorite of that box as well. That last sequence is simply fantastic! 7/8 I had a copy of for years, and it's a good show for sure, but in a hypothetical world where 7/1 circulated in the same batch of Bettys at the same time, I'd think people would rave about the day the Dead opened for Willie Nelson and blew Arrowhead Stadium away just as much as those Red Rocks debuts. It's not a perfect 2 hours, but not many shows are.

Similar Yet Different....

....i'm bored, so i felt like posting this question. Which song do you prefer. Man Smart, Women Smarter or Iko Iko. Or is it Aiko Aiko?

Arrowhead Stadium 7/1/78

Don't forget as late as deadbase VI they still had this show listed as two sets!! All we had were audiences of 7/1, 7/3, and 7/5!! We all had the boards of 7/7/78 and 7/8 and the song list of the second set is so strong especially Estimated through the 3 encores that night that ended with Werewolves!! I love this box set because no one had the first 3 shows on board tapes... One day i hope January or February 79 turns up if they were ever recorded!! House Boat tapes, Owsley soundboards... I really enjoy when we get these upgrades!!! Be good everyone have a good night... bob t

7 1 78

Estimated > Other One = heat your face right off your head

The whole scene...

Mustve been interesting

Grateful Dead

Outlaw country stars

Hooooot

If it had been George Jones instead of Waylon Jennings, it would have been an even more fascinating juxtaposition

July 78 Box

I love that July box , and 7/1/78 is really good. I got that box because of everyone's recommendations and 7/1 was widely regarded in those recommendations. I also think 7/7 is actually a better show than 7/8 at times. I guess I switch.

Last 5

In the interest of reading what others are listening to I offer up a Last 5, both GD/non GD.

GD:
1. DP8 5/2/70 Binghamton, NY - Including the NRPS set. A college kid with $5.00 in his pocket couldn't go wrong with this show.

2. Archive: 10/19/71 - the debut of KG as well as 6 new and soon to be classic GD songs. KG sounds like he's been with the band for months. I don't think we'll see this released since it was a radio broadcast...the same reason DaP18 wasn't 7/18/76 and DaP22 wasn't 12/5/71.

3. PNW Vancouver 6/22/73 - 'Bird Song'...'nuff said.

4. Rocking The Cradle 9/16/78 - sans 'Sunrise' & 'OMSN' encore. The 2nd set stands out for me. Best of '78? Nah, but I like it.

5. Giants 6/17/91 - An 'Eyes' opener plus 'Might As Well' and 'New Speedway Boogie'..what's not to like?

Non GD:
1. Poi Dog Pondering - Volo Volo Thanks to Vguy72 for the reminder...I haven't listened to these folks in awhile.
2. Stereolab - Jenny Ondioline/Ping Pong/Wow And Flutter EPs/1 CD.
3. Blind Willie McTell - Atlanta 12 String
4. Richard Thompson - Sweet Warrior
5. Richard Thompson - The Cold Blue Film Soundtrack Thompson wrote the music with instrumentation consisting of a string quartet, 4 French horns, oboe, clarinet, double bass, guitar, harmonica and percussion. The movie/documentary might be of interest to film buffs since it documents the noted director William Wyler's experiences with crews flying B17 bombing missions during WWII. I haven't seen the film myself but can hear how the music would fit the subject matter.

Ween performed Chocolate and Cheese....

....in it's entirety yesterday.
JamBase: Ween Performs 'Chocolate & Cheese' At Desert Daze.
https://www.jambase.com/article/ween-chocolate-cheese-desert-daze
....great album and sad that I wasn't there.

Re: 7/1/78, The Whole Scene

There is an interesting point in history that just might collide with 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium.

It is well known that Willie is a staunch advocate for legal Marijuana. I read or saw an interview a long time ago where he described the point in time where he gave up (or drastically cut back) on alcohol and decided weed was safer and more productive vice.. He stated it was a reaction to an acid trip he had I think "at a festival" where someone convinced him to take a hit the day he had to play. The context of the interview seemed to be one of the fourth of July parties he had.

He went into detail describing it was difficult to play on acid and singing seemed strained like the way he wanted his voice to sound was not the way it came out. (Lord knows many of us have been there). He walked away from that adventure not doing acid or alcohol but weed seemed just fine. I think my memory is mostly true to the original story he told.

I always wondered if the festival where he dosed might have been his 7/1/78 4th of July Festival? I mean.. No, never mind. There's little to no chance the travelling GD carnival would have willfully dosed Willie Nelson... Never mind.. that's crazy talk :D

Edit: This isn't the original article I read, no mention to alcohol.. but close enough.
https://time.com/3843900/willie-nelsons-pot-lsd/

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