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    "Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

    As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • carlo13
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    The chink in the armor for DVD-M disk and other long store media would be high cost of ceramic or glass technology to be lost to another physical technology. We will always have two types of media for music/movies. One for the masses and one for the stubborn and older people not hip to the jive. Just like newspapers. I like newspaper form instead of buttons. After your done with a newspaper, you can roll it up and swat things like pests and people who ask to borrow your Dave's picks. It can also be used as a low cost telescope and giant spitwad straw. All been tried by the way.

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    ....unless you want something tomorrow. Then they're ok.
    I just tested a CD-R I burned fifteen years ago. It played. Then again, my media room is dark as fuck. Bonus points!!
    CD-R ethics. Hilarious. That is one of many reasons why I come here on almost a daily basis. Faceplant into Rokk.

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    Been listening to some earlier Dead lately after a little run of '73 shows. Gave DaP10 12/12/69 and DP16 11/8/69 a listen over the last couple of days and spinning DP22 2/23-24/68 now with that excellent Viola Lee Blues. Seemed like a good choice after finishing the first snow shoveling of the year on a gorgeous sunny day in the Bitterroot. Been a while since I listened to any of these and they hit the spot lately.

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    Interesting discussion of an area I am ignorant of. It makes sense, though, what has been written. I made a load CD-R copies around 10 years ago, mainly of cds I already had, but also of ones borrowed or of digital downloads.
    I used these on long car journeys, but as they have long since stopped, I have stored them all in the attic...in direct line of sunlight. And lo and behold, a good many of them no longer play.

    I didn't know you could buy CD-R editions from Amazon. This would only be attractive to me if they were of limited edition cds that are now sold out. The digital downloads don't have the sleeve notes. The one I have just looked up is the Muddy Waters double cd Hoochie Coochie Man Volume 2 Chess Masters on Hip O Select. It costs a small fortune for the regular cd, the download is cheap-but missing info-so a CD-R might be the way to go. But I couldn't see how to access such a thing, if, indeed it is available for this release.

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    I spent some time looking into the CD-R situation and it seems that the main issue is the longevity of the CD-R and the fact that the longevity is dependent on how the disc is treated and the specifics of it's production. As Icecrmcnkd noted in his nice summary, the CD-R uses a dye layer. This dye layer is apparently sensitive to light exposure, to the extent that a couple weeks of direct sunlight may kill it. The information that I found indicated that there is significant variation between the light sensitivity and longevity of different CD-R discs depending on the type of dye layer used. There are a variety of factors involved, but the upshot seemed to be that a CD-R is not actually equivalent to a regular stamped audio CD and is a lesser quality product, to at least some degree, with a greater potential for failure.

    Amazon makes clear that they are using this approach to save on warehouse costs and to make it possible to offer out of print releases in very limited quantities. That's great, seems like a good use of the technology. My problem is just with amazon selling CD-R copies of new releases that have an actual CD release available, or I as I can't help but feel, selling me a slightly inferior product when the full quality version is readily available. My apologies to any bored by my rambling OCD diversion into CD-R technology and the ethics of CD-R sales.

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    Perhaps, but as you suggested we are getting an inferior product basically at full price. If they are going to do this, spend the extra money and get a professional quality machine and do it right. We pay the same price, get an inferior product and Amazon likely makes more money per CD than they do selling a standard CD that was made using the standard, higher quality manufacturing process.

    It's a slipper slope, how long until Dave's Picks start coming to us as CDRs. I'm against it. I will pay an extra fifty cents or a dollar to have a real CD.

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    Good one.

    That DaP 5 is probably the best. The only real challengers for me would be DaP 23 (1/22/78), 29 (2/26/77), 11 (11/17/72), 17 (7/19/74), and 25 (11/6/77). But then there's 15 (4/22/78) . . .

    I recently went looking for an old Chet Baker CD, and it's only available now as a download, or as one of those CD-Rs from Amazon. Seems legit, as it's licensed by the estate of Chet Baker. The cost of keeping a CD in print is prohibitive when the demand is low, but if one still wants a physical product with all the liner notes and cover art, then Amazon will burn you a copy for a few dollars more than the download. I think a Bob Seger CD I was looking for can be printed that way too.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Convenience factor

    For someone who doesn’t want to do digital downloads or doesn’t have a burner, then on-demand CD-R might be the way to go.
    Maybe some bands are going to ditch their record label’s CD factory and use digital downloads with the option of an on-demand CD-R.

    Bears.......

    beat the Lions.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    On-demand CD-R’s

    Not really any different than selling a digital download.

    They just need to make it very clear that it is a CD-R, because CD-R’s are not the same as CD’s. Anybody who claims that they are the same is lying.

    CD-R’s store data with organic dye molecules which will slowly break down over time, but it depends on storage conditions. I have 20-year old CD-R’s that still play.

    Factory made CD’s store data on a thin film of metal. The data is pressed into the metal film with a negative, very similar to how vinyl is pressed. This allows for a rapid stamping process and mass production.
    But, as demonstrated by Rhino with every GD release, if you half-ass the process and don’t use quality control there will always be a batch of defective discs sent out to customers.

    I would not buy an on-demand CD-R, only factory pressed CD’s.
    But, if there was something that I wanted and it was only available as an on-demand CD-R or a digital download, I would do the download and burn my own CD-R.

    Also note:
    DVD+/-R uses organic dye.

    DVD M-Disc uses a ceramic and/or glass layer that is supposed to last for 1000 years when stored properly.
    United States Patent US008389095 B2
    Date of Patent: Mar. 5, 2013
    OPTICAL DATA STORAGE MEDIA CONTAINING SUBSTANTIALLY INERT LOW MELTING TEMPERATURE DATA LAYER

    BD-R HTL (high-to-low reflectivity, the burned area is darker) is also a type of ceramic and/or glass and averages the equivalent of 500 years in simulated testing.

    BD-R LTH (low-to-high, burned area is brighter) is organic dye similar to CD-R and DVD+/-R.

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    If they are licensed then it would seem the artist get some sort of cut. Perhaps it's a way for artists to get around labels and bring CDs to market at either less cost or by giving up less of a share to corporations.

    Then the issue becomes one of the quality. If this is the direction music is heading, it really makes digital more viable and the physical product that much less desirable??

    In any case, very interesting.. thanks for sharing. It gives us something to be on the lookout for.

    Edit: I finally found the 'hidden in plain sight' language on the Flaming Lips CD. I had to look several times. Sneaky. I guess it's legit. Weird though. I need to give this some thought. Do they look the same as CDs (i.e. have artwork or professional images and detail on them or are they like the ones I make.. with the title hand-written by a black or blue sharpie?

    "Note: This product is manufactured on demand when ordered from Amazon.com. [Learn more]"

    Giving this more thought.. I agree with Cone Kid's comment (above this), this is a lesser quality product and should be significantly discounted, not $12 a CD. I guess the advantage, assuming they are being honest, is they are more eco-friendly?? but are the really? I gut tells me we should demand higher quality. If they had professional equipment instead of an industrial version of my CD burner.. wouldn't that be equally eco-friendly? Methinks we are getting an inferior product and Amazon wins the consumer loses.

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"Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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Just when I thought they had mined the Jerry Merle cat pretty well they come up with a very interesting release. Got it and the poster too

It’s a ploy do get us all to switch to streaming.

Blank CD-R’s are also thinner.
CD-R plastic used to be polycarbonate with BPA in it. Maybe when BPA was removed from all products was also when the switch to thinner CD plastic was also made. Maybe bulk polycarbonate costs more to make when it doesn’t have BPA in it, so to balance the additional cost the CD was made thinner.
All speculation, I don’t know for sure.

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There's a title to a post called Re: Moving Pictures that has nothing to do with the Rush album, and there is another title to a post called Dark Star that has nothing to do with the song.

Streaming - not for me at this time. I only listen to the Dead and there is nothing that can replace my phone system where I have every release in chronological order plus soundboards in a second chronologically ordered list. To my knowledge there's still a ton of Grateful Dead limited edition material that you just can't get on the streaming services. Once in a while I'll pull out something different, but it doesn't make up for nearly the time I spend listening to the Dead so it would just be a waste of money. My last phase was the Rolling Stones leading up to 50th anniversary. That went on for about two years before I re-engaged the Grateful Dead.

Would love to know how artists and record companies make money anymore with all the streaming in piracy. It doesn't even sound possible to me but maybe I just needed properly explained. If I had to guess, I would say there is a direct correlation between streaming and piracy, and the high price of concert tickets. I have a feeling artist don't make nearly what they used to off of their recorded music from the studio oh, so they have to make their money on the road. But as far as I'm concerned I've seen all the good groups and I'd be surprised if a new one came along that caught my interest.

Dick's Picks 23 is rocking my optimal right now. Bobby comes through loud and clear on me and my uncle, and Tennessee Jed is no slouch either. And there's a 40-minute other one coming up... And then I'm going to listen to November 14th 1971, because I rarely go to that one and the ravings are out.

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On this day in GD history, they only played four shows...

1969 Lanai Theater, CA: Pig-fest with an Easy Wind, Next Time You See Me, Boss Man, Good Lovin', and a 48min Lovelight, for those into that sort of thing. However, I can't seem to find a decent recording - even the Charlie Miller transfer sounds muddy and warbly.

1971 Austin, TX: So hot, they released it as a Road Trips... Fall of 71 is smoking! 1st set Dark Star>El Paso>Dark Star, interesting and well played 2nd set that just EXPLODES into NFA>GDTRFB>NFA!

1972 OK City: Fall of 72 - the greatest period of Dead ever? I don't know, but I know it's in the conversation... All around solid show - 1st set begins with Bertha, Beat It On Down the Line, Bird Song...BBB... Bobby is mixed WAY high in the beginning of Bertha, and you can't really hear the rest of the band, but it's pretty cool to hear Bobby isolated, and the mix settles in about half-way through. 2nd set features a 30-min Playin, followed by Big RxR, which I think is a pretty great spot for that tune. Good stuff. Here's the link:

https://archive.org/details/gd1972-11-15.sbd.miller.110631.flac16/gd72-…

1987 Long Beach: 2nd Set - Scarlet>Fire>LLR>He's Gone>Drums>Space>The Other One>Morning Dew>Around Around>Watchtower E: Black Muddy River - That's a hell of a good looking set!

Happy Friday all... Hope everyone has a rockin' weekend!

Peace

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No, but thanks. :) Wait. Unless that goes into a 20-minute Victim and then one of those super-slow Terrapins with no jamming. :-O

I used to dutifully slog my way through every Lovelight, until the recently-released one where Pigpen talks about getting a gun to shoot a woman while he says something to this woman about, "Get out of here, C#%T!!" That put me off "Love"light (and to an extent, Pigpen) for good.

And yes--I, too, have had some damaged/defective discs the past few years, after having nothing but good luck for decades.

This October through December of 1973 stretch might be the Dead's best ever, to my ears. My notes for DaP 5 (11/17/73) ask if disc 2 is the best hour of GD EVER. I'm seeing a lot of 'A+' marks in my notes for this fall run.

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thank you all for the good reads, Vguy, good vibes sent your way, hang in there. I too have had a bad couple of months with family in the hospital. All is better now but the bills, over a quarter of a million for hospital stay, how can they justify these prices? one bill is for a nurse, not a doctor, to visit weekly, she is here for about 10 mins, that will be 189.50$ please. Medicaid, here we come. Never in my life have I not been able to pay a bill, but this one I guess the state will have to pick up. In this state, you can't have any assets over 3,000$ to qualify for Medicaid, so now we must become wards of the state. nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile and thank the universe that all pulled thru. Unfortunately, the prognosis is not that great and there will be many more visits to the specialists and the primary dr that will only increase this financial burden, but how do you put a cost on a loved ones life? You can't. I guess this will be the last year that I will be able to justify the expense of a Dave's Pick subscription, the state only accepts expenses that are essential and necessary, and according to them, the calming, therapeutic effect of Grateful Dead music does not qualify.
One thing is for sure, if you do not have insurance in this country, do not get sick, it will ruin you plus you will receive sub standard care, as you are now officially a "charity case". How did it get this bad? Why have all the health care professionals let this happen? What's worse is everyone knows it's all fucked up, but yet, they allow it to continue and do nothing but say "it's all messed up but that's what we have to work with". I do believe that the one candidate that stands up and says enough is enough about this health care crisis would win any election hands down, unfortunately, the insurance companies and the drug companies and the medical professionals will never let that happen, all in the name of greed.

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(Sam, sorry to hear about your plight!)

Yesterday was Give to the Max Day here in Minnesota; people are encouraged to use that site that day to give money to various MN charities and non-profits. So that day always reminds me to come on here and gently encourage people to go make donations to The Rex Foundation and Archive.org, two non-profits near and dear to Deadheads' hearts. Thanks for considering it!

First.. USam, I'm sorry to hear this news.. the silver lining is they seem to have been discharge from the hospital.. Let's hope for as full, complete and speedy recovery as possible and sending positive vibes your way. I get what you're saying though.. these issues affect us all, no one is immune and hospitalization often leaves us at the bottom of a valley with a huge financial hill to climb. My dad spent a couple months in the Neuro ICU a few years ago, the final bill was more than $1M. He's ok now though thanks to a very skilled neurosurgeon in Richmond (and the resulting proud owner of my Fillmore West 69 the complete recordings box set, we called it even St. Stephen [kidding of course]).

KF.. sorry to disappoint, but I as an avid Rush fan myself, I am ok with the twist on words.

Enjoying the positive vibes here lately too, and some I think very honest and on point reviews of recent releases. Nice deep dive on '73. I see the points made on the good and not so glowing comments too.. there is some unevenness to '73, especially in the first sets. Sometimes they seemed to somehow fit ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag (or more accurately 4 1/2 hours of music on a three disc release). 1973 always has that work in progress feel to it, but it also opens the door to some of the more creative, free flowing jammy GD that grew that year and seemed to peek (at least to me) in 74, losing some of it's luster during hiatus. 73 contains it's own bag of tricks..

Finally.. just delving into the song list on the January 73 Jerry release announced this week. I'm salivating.. there's some takes on songs I have never heard them play here.. and it's a Rex/Betty multi-track? Say what! These had to have been returned as part of the lost stash. Aren't we a lucky bunch?

Wishing all a very good weekend and sending positive thoughts to the family members suffering and recovering out there.

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I wake up each morning, eagerly hoping to learn of a release from 1968, so imagine my disheartenment(?) when I saw that the Origins graphic novel special edition would have unreleased music from 1968 ONLY IN LP FORMAT! I hope that the powers-that-be see fit to make a CD version of the Origins set, or release the music on a disc. Please!

The artwork on the singles collection is so beautiful and original. I have purchased them all, even though I don't have any means to play them! Perhaps one of those artists could be hired for the Dave's Picks series, or the mandate (if it exists--I doubt it) that the DaP art must be skeleton-themed could be relaxed? Or maybe there could be beards on the covers, but no skeletons? :) First-world problems, to be sure . . .

Thanks VGuy.. my first taste into Garcia Live Vol. 12.

Holy crap is the sound good on this one. Very sweet indeed, thanks for the uplift in my spirits. This will carry me into the weekend.

..and how about Sarah Fulcher's backup vocals? Wow.. super excited for this one.

Edit: I plan on randomly adding Rush themes to the subject of my posts. Nothing wrong with having a little fun with KF2112, right? It's hemispheres weekend after all..

Keep smiling folks..

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Early bird has 1-1/2 days left.

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Mine still shows processing. I’ve had a subscription forever and never had one take so long. Anyone else or is this just me for some reason? Thanks.

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Perfectly delivered by DHL under a furios storm! Oddly it has no number, there's a blank space beside the limited edition tag. What a funny thing I have an unlimited edition!

Have a grateful day dead freaks

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LOL Jimbo you got me again with The Trees. You'd think I'm an idiot, but it's really just the weed :D

Unkle Sam sorry for your troubles man!! The cost of basic shit DOES seem a bit high. I realize people need to make a prophet - we all gotta eat - but even with health insurance, the costs are going up and the coverage is going down. Well, I could go on, but this ain't place.

Had a good time with DP 23 today, and finally listened to that 40 minute Other One. Twice. Good stuff. I say screw all this waiting around and just start producing and pressing CDs. Start with the Dark Star shows. Then the Bird Song shows. Then the rest of 68 - 74..........Well, I could go on, but this ain't gonna happen.

Sounds like another instance of having to make more copies to replace the ones that disappeared at the warehouse.
Maybe other people who are still waiting will start getting theirs.

Well, When in Rome, yours in Italy arrived the same day as mine, stateside. Also with no number! Hmm, what’s that all about, y’all? Scott-O, this is the longest it’s ever taken me to receive a subscription copy.

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I've been on a little prog-rock kick lately, Yes and Rush have had a bit of play, good stuff. Sometimes that sound hits the spot for me.

I've picked up a few new cds recently and was thinking that I would need to have some time to give everything a few listens before getting anything else, and then I see the references here to Garcia Live 12 and that idea comes to an end. That looks smoking.

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After finishing listening to Disc 3 of Dave's whatever from 11/17/72 Wichita, that has 5 songs from the show before, 11/15/72 Oklahoma City, I realized that i had 11/18/72 Hofheinz Pavilion on CD (I think a record store release). It's not the full show and only one disc..... Could we see a 11/19/72 Hofheinz Pavilion release which is an amazing show, for Dave's 34 with the bonus disc being from 11/18/72 or 11/15/72 of songs that haven't been released yet?? Over served in Rhode Island... bob t

....flies under my radar as well Bob. Not because of the contents, but because of the thin-ness. I recall it having a strong He's Gone. Time to revisit this skinny release. The cover art is strong with this one. (By artist Gary Houston. Coincidences be damned!!).
Anybody seen The Mandalorian yet? Nerd if you did. Nothing wrong with that.

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There are no tapes in the vault, and will never be, from what I know. Everything that was released from the prior night is everything we will ever see from those two shows. Sad but true.

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Everytime I see that bear with that mug of suds it makes me thirsty.

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What about in the returned reels?......(fingers crossed)

Lot of good anniversary listens available this weekend.

Started 11-15-72% on the drive home from work yesterday, but got home while in the middle of Playing. Will finish that show today while running errands.
Last night in the living room did 11-14-71% and 11-15-71. I can see why Doc likes ‘71.

On deck
11-17-71
11-17-72
11-18-72%
11-14-73
11-17-73
11-21-73 later in the week.

This is awesome! We have so many official shows available now to listen to and more on the way.
It used to be that there were a few good releases, which I burned into my synapses by listening to so many times, to supplement my hissy tape collection.
I now have 4-5 TB’s of SBD’s from the torrents, but hardly ever listen to them because I have so many (but still not enough) official releases. There are so many (but still not enough) official releases that I don’t have enough time to burn each one into my synapses (but I’m definitely trying).

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But as far as I know, there won't be any late-1972 tapes returned. That era's tapes never disappeared; the Dead either had them on hand, or they did not exist.

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Somewhere in the past i recall dave saying

Not in vault..not in vault..not in vault..

Aha! DAVE'S the robot they keep looking for!

THE ROBOT IS CALLING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE, MARYE!

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The one that got away

I will hold on to my unofficial version

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Please dave
PLEASE

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Greek box

Not one Greek show has been released.

A (Greek) tragedy, if there ever was one.

Back to reality, my fellow Deadheads.

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....the series every Star Wars fan needs, but doesn't deserve. Liking Disney+ so far. Oooooh. They have Swiss Family Robinson?! One of the first movies I remember growing up. Excellent.

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sorry... I almost didn't. Especially how i completely chocked on my prediction of Dave's 34 with 11/19/72 Hofheinz prediction, thought it was in Vault especially with the Soundboard that has been out there forever!!! I will wear ribbons of shame!!!!

Listening to motorhead the other day on phone youtube

New album comes on
Motorhead covering other bands

The trooper by iron maiden

That tune has taken residence in my head

Earworm

Thats a great band name
Earworm

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....my mom visited Amish country with my late dad. Said her eyes were opened.
Edit. Saw Bob T's post. My mom loves Neil Diamond. Took her to see him three years ago during his last tour. Presently, he was correct. No Diamond tours currently. (It was a really good show btw).

In the late 90’s someone (not a Deadhead, but a young person that listened to rock n roll) told me that Neil Diamond put on an excellent show.

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Unnumbered Dave's are promo copies typically for employees and should not be sent out to people who subscribe or purchased a la cart. But given the way things are going around here, I guess you take what you can get.

By the way, where is Bolo, did he get lost in the Warehouse?

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.....blessed with a great voice and awesome stage presence. His band was always top notch. How could you refuse to back him? You couldn't.
Grateful to see him live for sure ❤️
Thanks Mom.

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Remember in Trading Places when Dan Aykroyd goes to the door where he lives, "Coleman, there is no Coleman here you made a mistake"

There's a big Amish/Mennonite presence where I live, mostly farmers and craftsman. For the most part, they still use horse drawn buggies (black with orange reflective triangles on the rear). You see them from time to time driving their buggies on the roads to town or to church on Sundays.. pretty cool flashback, you have to slow down to like 8 miles an hour until there is safe passage. On a related note, one of my friends from college decided not to join the rat race after school and started an organic farm that still uses horse drawn plows, etc. Not much difference except he uses electricity, listens to a lot of Reggae and GD and as dreads instead of short hair and Amish beards.

Sort of cool, I doubt if many Amish are Deadheads though.. except maybe that one in the movie Kingpin (Randy Quaid).

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Did you happen to walk up to one of the tougher young men in the buggy and smoosh his ice cream cone on his nose and forehead? I once saw a documentary on the Amish in Pennsylvania where that happened. By Amish law they are not permitted to respond with violence, however if one does, it is perceived as a mating call. An Amishman who brakes this law can expect at least one pretty young Amish woman to expose her breasts while washing in an open outdoor bathing area.

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