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I have just watched the first episode of this, and am very impressed. The photography is beautiful and much of this music and history is unknown to me. This episode featured The Carter Family and Jimmie Rodgers, and towards the end of the programme they showed stills of musicians influenced by Jimmie Rodgers. Great big pick of old Jerry in there !
Tempting to go fishing..and the JSP 4 cd boxes of the 1927-early 1930s years seem the best bet for both artists.

Bear Family may be the best...certainly the most exhaustive reissue label for American music that I have come across..but their 12 cd Carter Family might be a bit tough to digest.

Back to my own personal good old days tomorrow... seeing Hawkwind for about the 50th time. Crazy!

Still waiting for DaP 32. Over time, you should learn to be patient over here in Europe. The strange thing is that now and then, dead.net teases us with a super fast delivery (DaP 30!). But then that's immediately followed by something like the DaP 31 disaster, just to put things back into perspective. (I still can't understand why UPS couldn't sort that out properly - "Well, we've got the same problem with orders from one single company. Do we really have to deal with these cases individually? Do we really have to send all of these to our lost & never found again nirvana?") While I was waiting for the Giants Box, I honestly thought about setting up tent in front of my local UPS pick-up point. But then, I'm a high school teacher and students passing by might have found that a little odd.
Anyway, a great year for releases. A great year for variety. Love the Jerry releases as well ("Electric on the Eel"! "GarciaLive 11"!). And there is even one more to come. Skipped three years of Dave's Picks after buying Boxzilla. Back again in 2019. And a last minute early bird subscriber for 2020 (what a relief that was). Whatever may come, it won't come without new Dead music. If there's one post I will remember from these boards in 2019, it will be KeithFan's about "the true malady": "I had what I thought was enough Dead."

Finished with Feyline Field 11/25/73 and just put 12/1/73 on. Have't listened to for over a decade. Usually just play the Dick's picks compilation shows and forget that they left a complete show out... bob t

P.S. so totally forgot about the banter between the songs about the aisles being fire hazards!!!! sound quality is amazing on internet archive!!

11-25-82 from the Bob Marley Performing Arts Center in Negril. Yah Mon. Its an upbeat, peppy show --- not a mind melter --- but perfect for enjoying at home during your day off when your spouse isn't there to complain about how loud you're cranking it.

There's a terrific Charlie Miller-ized board on the archive. Sounds as good as some official releases IMHO.

After that I went for 11-18-72, the RSD release from awhile back. That Playin' . . . lawdy. Then I went back to the archive for the last two tracks that aren't on the CD. Again, really good sound from my laptop through my big boy speakers downstairs.

Then I noticed 11-19-72 has a Miller-ized copy on the archive. A full show and then some, probably to make up for the abbreviated set from the previous night. Mmmmmm.

Concluded my Grateful Day with my From the Mars Hotel vinyl. That's a really good album. The Dead don't get enough credit for putting out quality albums, with good songs that are very well produced. Well, except for that choral chanting part of Terrapin Station :)

Since Thanksgiving is about being thankful, and grateful is more or less synomonous with thankful, I'm declaring it Grateful Week at the Roguedeadguy estate. There is so much good November material. Ima try to get to it all.

Grateful Week it is.. all week long here too. Nice connection.

I had the news on last night as I was making dinner in the other room. Someone made a comment, like I was there in 1974 or something.. without skipping a beat the interviewer said like you were at a dead show at the Fillmore? and the interviewee said, no I only went to one dead show and it wasn't at the Fillmore and it wasn't 1974. I thought that was interesting.. Should have said Winterland.

Just got back from a 3 week jaunt to the Nepal Himalaya to visit my wife's family in Rasuwa, land of the Tamangs. As a result I have not been able to keep up with posts on here. When I got back I found my copy of Dave's 32 waiting for me. Together with the Giants box, which I have not yet had time to listen to in its entirety, and 3 weeks worth of 30 Days to download, the next days should be just great. I see GarciaLive Vol. 12 is coming - Garcia-Saunders, my favourite! I did see a couple of posts about retirement on here. Tomorrow being my birthday means that I then have just 4 more months working for the man before I can retire - in their infinite wisdom the Dutch government has set the retirement age for people born in 1953 to 66 years and 4 months (?). What on earth am I gonna do with all that free time? Sleep late and listen to more GD of course.

What about GAINESVILLE?????

I cheated and broke it out a few days early and listened to this second set on the way in today. It is fantastic for an aud, but we all know this. Although, now that I am looking at the lineage on this link, it appears it says SBD but that can't be, can it? I have't listened to this one in the moment as I am at work....

https://archive.org/details/gd1980-11-29.139321.set2.sbd.miller.flac24

I think Simonrob wins the internet for his travel destination....wow, the Himalayas.
Any Yeti sightings?

Sixtus

6/10/73?
11/19/72?
7/2/88?
Gainesville? (of course. Even Alexander the Great, destroyer of the Gordian knot, would be perplexed about this)
3/21/73?
3/16/73?
many shows from October and November and December 72?

what about flushing CAPTCHA?

Nope, none, but the village where we were staying has a serious bear problem. Not nice when the toilet is outside and you need to go there in the night. We survived.

Yes.. any Yeti sightings? Or did you happen to cross paths with any Yeti trackers? Lemieux? :D

..yes, Sixtus, the second set does circulate, but except for wilfredtjones hearing what he thought was a soundboard recording of Althea (??) from one of Lemieux's programs (30 days? Jam of the Week??) I haven't heard hide nor hair of a first set soundboard.

It's an enigma wrapped in a mystery wrapped in an enigma. What is the deal with Gainesville? Did it even occur or is a cruel hoax manufactured in the studio just to mess with us?

ah.. Simon. I can relate to bear problems, are they aggressive or do they just dig Himalayan Carry-Out?

I really dislike when people come on here and complain... as if someone is really listening. But now I understand that it must be therapeutic for those who truly have a gripe.

I am truly appalled with the fact that it's November 26th and I still haven't received Dave's Picks 32.

I've been ordering from Grateful Dead since the 90's with Dick's Picks Volume 3. I have been a subscriber to all the subscriptions, bought all of the box sets, etc. And I'm very grateful for the amount of quality product put out by this organization.

However, the situation I've been going through to get something I paid for over a year ago as part of subscription is just really discouraging and an example of the type of horrible customer service that should not be associated with Grateful Dead.

The first part of this situation that bothers me is that other people in the Chicago area had theirs on time, so why would it just be me that don't have the product for?

The second part that bothers me is the slow response time via email, with only the excuse (which has been an excuse for a LONG time) being that they are moving warehouses. Okay, so why could you ship to my neighbors, but not me?

The third part that was completely discouraging was the first time I called customer service, the lady was rude and didn't help me figure out what was going on. When it gave me an option to take a survey, there was no survey and it hung up on me. - The next time I called, there was a much more friendly lady, but she wasn't able to help much more than assure me that I'll "eventually" get the disc.

The final thing that is really pushing me over the edge, more than 2 weeks after my initial email I received a response stating "they'll send a replacement disc in 6-8 weeks". Really? 6-8 weeks, it doesn't take that long to ship initially. Plus there is no explanation as to WHY. AND this is not a replacement disc. This is the INITIAL order that was never shipped, confirmed by the lady I spoke with on the phone. No particular reason it was never shipped.

So anyway, this is how a long-time customer gets treated in the 2019 market place. It's sad. All I want to do is listen to some great music, that I paid for or at least an detailed explanation as to when and why I will get this music.

6-8 weeks is going to push us into 2020 when I should be anticipating the next year's subscription disc, not waiting for my last one to come.

I get the state of the music industry and I get how it can become chaotic to move a warehouse (even if I don't see how it can possibly take this long and disrupt so many aspects of the business) but what I cannot understand is the lack of care for the customers, because without us, there is no business and EVERY company I have ever worked for has always believed that and tried to make things right when the customer is wrong.

I hear from others that this is an excellent Pick, I'd love to give my endorsement and maybe someday I will be able to. But I know it doesn't matter much to anyone and only hurts myself, but if I have to go through this even one more time, a long time customer will be gone for good. After all, I have countless box sets, An entire Dick's Picks Series, an entire Road Trip series, vault releases, view from the vault releases, Dave's Picks through 31, bonus discs for all the above, if it's going to be a stressful, painful experience, then I'll keep my money and enjoy all that music I already own.

The bears are indeed aggressive, particularly if you try to tackle one, as one villager found out to his cost. They break into houses to steal potatoes and drink chhang, the local home brewed beer. Himalayan bears are quite a bit smaller than their north American cousins but still big enough to be a serious problem.

You are correct, GD/Rhino does not give a shit about you personally, they just crave your money. They are basically testing the waters to see how extensively they can screw us over, while still getting us to keep sending them money.

The warehouse excuse is just that, an excuse for ripping you off while trying to place the blame somewhere else so that you will continue to send them money.

If the GD Organization did actually care about us, the fans and paying customers, they would issue a statement apologizing for the repeated screw ups, and a commitment to improve the situation going forward. But they are totally silent.

And Rhino is laughing all the way to the bank......

Maybe that will get Rhino’s attention.

Saint Rhino strikes a pose
in and out with our dollars he goes
shipping problems, grumbling w' pain
with every release at least one'll complain

or something like that

Derpsareuss Shipping Company, how may I delete your call?

sorry for the problems y'all

please let it never happen to me

Well, we can't blame them for liking beer. Honestly.. that sounds like a cool trip.

Definitely a head scratcher on what is going on at Dead.net. Bottom line is this is no way to run a business, we all know that. I have been bit by this bug as well and won't bore you with the details, but it falls in lines with the others here. No delivered product and no responses from customer service. This is a Rhino issue and not a Grateful Dead Productions issue, as they sold their rights to Rhino to run all aspects of this business. Clearly, this is not running well.
Crap, I can remember not too long ago I could hop on the phone and talk to Dead.net customer service and have them explain to me the differences between Flac files and Alac and how to manage both. Now, no way, they can't even tell you why you haven't received your order.

Of course my fear is that some day they will just throw their hands up and say the end is near. I hope that day never comes because there is so much more great music to release.
On that long note, peace to all!

I heard a bear joke some time ago. Guy goes into a gun store in Montana and tells the clerk he wants the biggest, most powerful revolver they have. The clerk asks him what he plans to use it for and the guy explains that he wants in case he runs into a grizzly bear while hiking. The clerk shakes his head and says, no, what you want is a really small revolver for that. The guy asks how that makes any sense and the clerk explains, well, you want something small because after you shoot that grizzly with your revolver, he's gonna take that gun and shove it up your ass.

You've got real bears in MT. MD bears like honey and beer.. they'll even hang out if you let em..

I lived in a rental when I first moved here that had a bear problem.. probably from decades of slackers not dealing with their trash. I would see them every day, it's usually fine unless you scare them or they scare you. I did get charged twice though, freak run-ins.. I found fireworks make great bear prophylactics.. they don't like whistling bottle rockets especially when you aim that at them. Of course these are gentle Eastern black bears and don't have the temper of the browns....

My father was an inveterate wildlife feeder and the black bears would come up on his deck, balance gracefully on the 6" wide railing and munch the birdfeed. My father was not inclined to discourage it and there were no problems, but I have some pictures of him standing on the deck a couple feet from the bear sitting on the railing and that was not an unusual occurrence.

In re-reading my last bear post, it sounds a bit cruel.. so some explanation might help. I was afraid that the bears would become too accustomed to people which ultimately invites harm to both species. My friends kept trying to convince me to get a gun.. I thought fireworks would instill a little fear of humans into the bears without causing any harm. So it was with the best of intentions I purposely aimed whistling bottle rockets at the bears. I think it worked out pretty well in the end, no bears were harmed. Also, for what it's worth, the bear that charged me ended up being euthanized as by the time I got to him, he wasn't too afraid of people and kept charging them (us). But there were a lot of cubs that hopefully grew up with either a fear of humans or a love of fireworks.

Those colored ones, our mascots......
Those are the ones I like. They’re always super friendly and ready to party.

As a kid I saw a show bear (might have been at Autorama in early 80’s), don’t remember if he danced, did tricks, or both. But at the end he got a 12 oz glass bottle of Pepsi which he guzzled in 2-3 seconds.

That’s where I think Customer Service moved. Bangkok.

It would be funny if the spambots started using Rush references to get KF’s attention.
KF = potassium fluoride.

Got me again Jimbo. I'm as gullible as they come.

Speaking of bears, my daughter asked me when the Grateful Dead bears became part of the Grateful Dead culture. I don't rightly know. I don't know if that is how today's discussion got started but I only turned into the last couple posts here. I know the Steel Your Face logo is been around since the early 70s, and obviously Bertha AKA skull and roses has been around for just about as long. I assume the turtles came along with Terrapin Station, not that I've seen one on the front cover.... Wait that's Shakedown Street nevermind. Don't mind me I've never listened to a studio Dead record except for the 5.1 surround sound American Beauty that Uncle Gary gave me. And of course I've heard the three big ones off of in the dark and I love them, as well as Foolish Heart. But I'm way off track here.

What I came here to say is there is Les Dark Star in the 46 minute version from December 6th 1973 than there is from this Philly Spectrum show. I listen to that puppy twice through today and with the exception of about two or three minutes of the first verse, the rest of it has no more to do with Dark Star then the Philly Jam track that precedes the 4-minute Dark Star on this new Dave's Picks. It had been a while since I put that one on and I decided I was going to get down with it today. It's still 43:33 minutes of pick my face up off of the floor Fender Rhodes / Wolf extravaganza. Plus a few DaP 9 Jim-type nightmarish atonal meltdowns (sequentially speaking they weren't that far off from each other).

I'll tell you what else I did. And stop me if I mention this because I did this last week wants too. I listen to the other one, Parts 1 2 and 3 in sequential order with crossfades in between so that it made one big other one. May 3rd 1972. It's a different kind of experience. You should try it sometime. Naturally I proceeded it with Trucking and succeeded it with Wharf rat so it was all good.

Bear’s Choice, the album.
The bears are on the cover.

Bear got his nickname because he was a hairy, hairy dude.. he was also (I think) a trained dancer.. so when he twirled, which he did.. there was a bit of a strange aura about it (imagine that). A psychedelically, awkwardly graceful twirler perhaps. To Cone Kids point, the dancing bear was born first appearing on the cover of Bears Choice.

If I got any of this wrong.. feel free to add

Customer Service, Train Wrecked to Bangkok?

‘Train Wreck’ has only good memories.
Ask KF.

What this mess needs is Jimmy Buffett.

“Wasting away again in Customer Service land.
Searching for my lost package of DaP32.
Some people say there’s a warehouse to blame.
But I know, it’s not my damn fault.”

Ha

Can't argue with reason.

I'm a major train guy.. how could I not see that?

....who doesn't get the 30 Days Of Dead? I mean. I just don't get it.
Jim. Still on the Rush references. Lol.
Regarding bears. Went camping years ago with a friend in Yosemite. Packed his boombox (yeah. That long ago) into our tent. I asked him why? "Because bears don't like loud music."
Sure enough, a bear was snuffling around in the early hours. I smelled it before I heard it. Cue Metallica's Ride The Lightning. Bear gone. Vguy checking his shorts.

Makes a hard man humble

80s pop song reference

What dont you get vguy?

Juss askin

Good stuff

Listening to spoonful by cream. Just found it in an old CD box. I'm so glad, I'm so glad, I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad.

They did address the issue, finally.
For those who didn’t read or get the email, here’s a portion of it.

———————
Cause when things go wrong, wrong with you, it hurts me too

It's been quite a year and we know how patient you have been, how patient you still are. It has always been, and will always be, our mission to provide the best service to you, the fans. As you are more than likely aware, a complex warehouse move resulted in a significant backlog of orders and while that warehouse is working as quickly as they can to deliver, we've turned 100% of our focus and dedication toward a new facility which promises to restore peace to the Dead.net community in the next few months. Trust us, this steam locomotive is rolling down the track!

—————-
A train reference too Jim.

Now, how about fixing the CD manufacturing process so that when the goods are in fact delivered, that they are not defective.

This Thread has been an amazing and actually a quite typical morphing discussion over the past 24 hours.

Simple mention of a potential Yeti sighting has turned into a full-blown Grateful Dead dancing bear history lesson, complete with visions of actual swirling bears, as well as so many other bear stories and personal references it's extremely insightful and very amusing.

Also I almost fell off my chair when I saw that the GD team has actually acknowledged the issue with the shipping per that copy/paste from Icecreamcone Kid (and then saw in my own email inbox) and they are actually paying attention here! Well done people. Stuff that one in your turkey and enjoy it.

Happy Thanksgiving to All In Deadheadland!
Bears and Yetis should play nice and turn up the GD to 11.

Sixtus

Owsley's bears are not dancing, they're marching.

My brother-in-law is a Jersey City boy, born and raised. At some point many years ago we went camping with my wife's entire family in northwest Massachusetts. My brother-in-law has never been camping and is worried about bears. My father-in-law who grew up in that part of Mass. says he's NEVER seen a bear there in his 50 years and that Bob needn't worry. First day there, out walking around and bang there are a couple of bears just walking down the road towards us. Till this day Bob will bring up the bears that "didn't" exist!

Off to Jersey for bird-day and a wedding (who the hell gets married the day after thanksgiving!!!!)

Hope all enjoy their birds.

Never a big fan of the GD dancing bears, except one time

Too cutesy, in my haughty opinion

I like skull/skeleton GD imagery

but anyway

I had a sticker of an orange GD bear holding a rose on my walkman

One special day in the woods (ok, a park) that bear smiled at me and started dancing

So dah bearss are ok, after all

Listen to crimson and clover by tommy james and the shondells

If you're going to play some Tommy James & the Shondells, include Crystal Blue Persuasion on the playlist. Crimson and Clover is cool, but Crystal Blue Persuasion...it's a new vibration.

...Stuck In The Middle With You now only reminds me of Reservoir Dogs, Crystal Blue Persuasion now reminds me of Breaking Bad.

A Simpsons episode

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Blue-Haired_Persuasion

https://youtu.be/DY_DF2Af3LM

Minnesota has Black Bears. Not huge, not small, not dangerous, not un-dangerous. My aunt and uncle were honeymooning on the North Shore (Lake Superior), and camping, although tenting wasn't something either had really done before. Sure enough, the first night, some bear visits their campsite and ends up falling into the tent, with both my aunt and uncle in it, cowering. All parties escaped unharmed, but my relatives spent the remainder of the night in the car, and never camped again.

Grateful Thanksgiving, all!

I once heard a comment that went something like "I feel sorry for anyone whose favorite song was not at one time 'Crimson and Clover.'"

Here's a version by Prince, from his Lotusflow3r album... and as usual with that guy, it slays. (He mixes in a little "Wild Thing" too...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iNX1m9JnPU

Peace, and HAPPY THANKSGIVING, DeadLand!

So true.. I found another video where dancing looks like marching. I think the guy to the right is both a trained dancer and tripping.. likely on Owsley acid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6dB30Z0nHs

(this always cracks me up)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjQucCX7e8o

In the second the guy on the left is likely starting to get off but the guy on right doesn't feel the effects until halfway through Fire. The same thing has happened to me on more than one occasion.

I keep coming back to 12/2/73 Set II. Wharf Rat to open the second set is just mind blowing and the Mississippi Half Step to follow is my favorite from 73, if you are too busy just listen to the" across the rio grandio" refrain and listen to Keith, Jerry and Bill it is amazing........ it is around 6 minute 29 second part that I just wished lasted forever!!! Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, we have a thunderstorm going on in Rhode Island right now!!! bob t

Icecrmcnekid thanks for the heads up on the first appearance of the Bears, dancing bears that is. Can you believe I never saw the back cover. I checked it out a minute ago and sure enough there they are. I just expected it to be more red white and blue. I wouldn't have guessed they were around that long.

If anyone else also mentioned it thank you I just haven't had a chance to go through the last few posts. I guess I've mentioned my stellar experiences with Trainwreck, huh? I didn't realize how popular it was until I started running into you fine folks here on dead net. There is even train-wrecked the dude on here who I have a feeling derived his name from just such a commodity. Yeah those were the days. I was involved in a poker game at a guy's house who lives next door to an NFL player who played with us every week. Even caught a Super Bowl touchdown pass. Anyway there was train wreck and blue dream and Sour Diesel and Juicy Fruit and so on and so on. Good Times.

It's Dick's Picks 11 for this drive home. I only have 80 minutes so aIcherry pick them and put them in some kind of Bobby Jerry order. In this case we're starting off with Promised Land and going right into Bird Song (just the way we get it on DP 36). There's a Dark sSar in here, a Brokedown Palace I can't wait to get to; not to mention there 's an Attics of My Life and a China Rider (featuring that crazy out of tune or broken string situation).

Pizza and suds for Thanksgiving. I usually go to family dinner but this year it's pizza and suds and a chick I know. Very thankful.