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    "Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

    As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

    Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • Cousins Of The…
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    Vguy, I saw Slayer during the South of Heaven tour in a small theater in Mountain View...pretty wild, last time they booked a metal show there.
    Roy Orbison at the Old Waldorf in SF in '82, terrific show in a very small club; the original Byrds at the Boarding House in SF, superb show in a 400 seater or so.
    Saw BB King in '69 at the Olympia in Paris, Fats Domino in Paris in 73, Bill Haley & the Comets also in 73. Made 11 of the 15 1980 Warfield shows, and a slew of Jerry shows at Keystone Berkeley, Palo Alto and SF
    Sadly, I did not go to the Last Waltz because of ticket price($25)

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    …...Are always more special for me. 5 of my faves:
    XTC at Gaston Hall(A Georgetown U. lecture hall)-Jan.1980
    Billy Joel at The Bayou(famous DC club long since destroyed)-during "Songs In The Attic" recordings for LP-July '80
    Frank Zappa at Painters Mill Music Fair(2500 seat "in the round" venue)-Nov.'81
    Prince at Warner Theater(2,000 seat old time Theater)-Nov. '81
    The Cars(also at Painters Mill-just as 1st LP was released, they opened)-June '78

    Oh, can't forget The Ramones At Martin's West in Woodlawn MD, (a popular Wedding Venue!!-all those chandeliers!!)-Summer '78

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    I saw Elizabeth Cotton at the Sweetwater in Mill Valley, very small bar. At the original Freight & Salvage over in Berkeley, I saw John Fahey , Peter Rowen, David Nelson & Frank Wakefield ( I taped that show), this was a super small place. One of the cool things about The Freight & Salvage , there is a great bbq joint right down street called Everett & Jones, 2am right after the show we would go down there and eat some of the best bbq on the planet. Saw B.B. King at The Saddle Rack in San Jose . Saw Jerry Garcia at the Keystone in Palo Alto a bunch of times. Of course, saw The Grateful Dead at The Warfield & Orpheum theatres up in S.F. quite a few times. The Warfield held over 2000 people, the Orpheum under 2000 people, so they were way larger then the places I mentioned above, but still smaller then The Greek Theatre & Frost Ampiteater , where I also saw the Dead play a bunch of times.

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    Hey Carlo, I saw Pat Travers at an old movie theater converted into a concert hall back during the "Boom boom, out go the lights" days, always liked the double attack of Pat Travers and Pat Thrall, snortin' whiskey and drinkin' cocaine indeed. I was working at a record store back in the early 80's in Fla and Pat Travers lived in Longwood, a short distance away from the store. One day, he walked in, he was looking over the blues and old rock lp's and picked out a Johnny Winter blues record and came up to pay for it. I recognized him and pulled out Crash and Burn from the bin and had him sign it. He liked to cruse small record stores looking for treasure. Nice guy, very humble and very shy.
    My best shows have also been at small venues or bars, caught Crack the sky at a bar, caught Cactus at the aforementioned old movie house, caught DSO in a bar before they got big, caught Traffic in a 1000 seat place back in the early 70's when they were still around and big. Saw Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush at the same movie house. Saw Aerosmith at a bar before they were even known. Jethro Tull at a house of blues, Yes at the same house of blues, Joe Walsh at the same place too..... Saw the Stones in a small venue in 75 and the Police at Tomorrowland at Disney. Caught Ratdog at several small venues in the 90's, man, I miss that band, they were the closest thing to the Dead back in the day. I have a small treasure chest that is full of old ticket stubs, one day I will go thru them and maybe post some pics if I can figure out how to do that. :)
    First post of the new year so Happy New Year all you deadheads out there. Pretty heavy 50 year anniversary this year, 1970 was a pivotal year in ending the Vietnam War. 50th anniversary of the Kent state killings this year. Lets not ever go down that path again. Janis and Jimi 50th anniversary of their passing too. Heavy times for sure.

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    Snortin whiskey. This would have been a great band to see back in the day.

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    ....saw Slayer and Poison at small halls in Vegas. Circa 84 and 85 respectively. Max Cap 375ish. Good shows.
    Another good one. Dio @ The Huntridge in Vegas '89ish.
    The roof caved in during a rainstorm. Postponed for three days. Ronnie came out and kicked our asses!!

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    Mhammond, I think the debut of both Beethoven's famous 5th, and magisterial 6th (the Pastoral) wins. That's amazing to think two of his biggest and most diverse works debuted the same night. And the 6th debuted before the 5th, which was obviously a second set symphony. The 6th is more like Here Comes Sunshine, it can open a show. The 5th is The Other One steamrolling over you in the middle of the second set. 12/22/1808 should be added to all music nerds internal calendar of important dates!

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    I had my fun at big venues and festivals too.. but those days are behind me.

    Perhaps my coolest small venue thing was seeing Widespread at a place in Baltimore call Max's in Fells Point. My date was a cutie that went to school with and knew all of them.. so we did dinner at Bertha's before hand and partied a good bit before, during and after. This was way before they were big.. there was probably 40 or 50 people there.

    Fav dead venue was the Greek.. only got there once, but what a nice place to see the dead.

    If I could go back in time.. I'd have to agree with mhammond and put Monterrey Pop where you get Hendrix, Janis and The Who, plus the Dead with Pigpen. I don't know about the rest.. perhaps I would blow it off and smoke a fatty with Da Vinci and hope he doesn't make a pass at me. Maybe hang out with JC for a bit and keep Hitler from getting a hold of that brown acid and be sure to make it back by daylight.

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    Bowie
    Zappa
    At least one more Motorhead
    Pink Floyd
    and that Santana set at Woodstock

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    The eww factor...

    My "little glass friend" fell and broke last evening after years of companionship. C'est la vie.

    But...the clod i found inside the main chamber...

    Naaaaasty. Sure gave me pause.

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"Cause it's always like that with the Dead, you know - it's always the whole thing." - News Journal

As we close out the 2019 Dave Pick's series, we deliver on our promise to give you the "whole thing" with the complete performance from The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 3/24/73 and what a show it was! An upstanding "musical eulogy" to the recently departed Pigpen, the Grateful Dead conducted a potent study in contrasts on this bittersweet night. They found easy balance between tidy jams like "They Love Each Other," "Wave That Flag," "Playing In The Band," and introspective moments on "Stella Blue," "Sing Me Back Home," and a poignant "He's Gone." It was all laid down with a discipline and a polish unheard of in any of the truly exceptional shows that had come before it. Yes, you might say, they cleaned up nice to carry on the legacy as Pig would have wanted.

Limited to 20,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 32: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA 3/24/73 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the 7" and 10" reels by Jeffrey Norman.

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*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Today I finally ripped Dave's Picks 32, Ready Or Not and downloaded all of the 30 Days mp3s. Kind of like binge watching a TV series.

The days listening started with the 12/2/73 portion of Dick's Picks volume 14 ( highly recommended if you don't have it), pretty much while downloading and ripping. Now I'm up to Corinna from R.O.N. and it's an interesting compilation. Liberty is decent. Eternity is kind of an averaging version. Vince sounds pretty good on it. Jerry is decent enough, but there are definitely better versions. Lazy River Road is solid. For the first time I thought Samba In The Rain grooved, until they lost it in the jam. Jerry was all over the map on that one. Too bad, as it could have been a pretty good song after a little more time on the road. So Many Roads is pretty good, mainly the ending crescendo. Acceptable, but better versions are out there (I see the version from Copps Coliseum 92 made it into 30 Days and I was there. Could make a nice companion the the first night that was released in Boxilla). I attended the 92 Deer Creek run so saw Way To Go Home in person. Not much to say about this song. It's decent, but not much room for growth or development. Corinna has a nice jam that gets cut (bummer). Had a nice recording of the 93 Spectrum show with Easy Answers for years and I think that full show would make a splendid release. Tubular Bells Space and Dark Star. Actually that 92 Deer Creek show would be nice as a release. Days Between just came on as I'm typing. Wasn't this December 94 run when they started using teleprompters? Ornette Coleman play at one of these as well?

Needless to say....if only Jerry could have reigned in his health issues.... ;(

Next on queue....Dave's Picks 32. Sure, I'll listen to another 73 show today...why not?

2020 subscription is in. Dekalb 77 next up, then ???

Quick edit - The Days Between is nice, but they cut the big jam at the end like they did with Corinna.

Have to think Dave will go back to the early 1970s for #34. 70 or 71. I also think this year we will see something from early April of 78. Maybe one of the Fox Theater shows.
Of course, Dave likes to mix it up from time to time, so maybe we all be surprised.
I think there are something like 5000 copies of the RFK box left. Great stuff, can't believe they have that many left.

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So I’ve been a little busy last month and just realized my vol. 32 never arrived. My order shows it has not shipped. Anyone got info before I have to read all the posts or call Customer service??
Sorry for being out of the loop.

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Bit late to the party I know. I have been travelling for work all around the world for the last 2 months and finally got home and around to listening to this. It is a truly magnificent release; just breathtaking and sounding so good. Thanks GOGD, Dave and the production team

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I had the same issue. Send Mary a pm and give her your order # and she'll sort it out for you.

I agree with most of the sentiments here. This is truly a great release. A few rough patches here and there and a couple of bum notes but overall its a great slice of the dead at or near their absolute peak.

I was lucky enough to be in the Canadian Rockies last week for some early season turns and let this one play all the way through uninterrupted. It proved a great soundtrack to Lake Louise skiing.

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I pre-ordered the NRPS 5-cd box last week, and already got a shipping notice. Wow!! They had an early bird price of $40.00, not sure if is still available.
Dennis, I DO need that Zappa box, like I need Oxygen, Food, and H2O. Can't wait to get it.
On the Dead front, while waiting for #33, my wife has informed me that I need to attend a 12 step program foe people who buy too many cds. I'm starting to think she may be right, but at least I can't die from an overdose.
I may, however, get in a sh*tload of marital trouble. Starting to have merch shipped to a friend's house. It's only a matter of time before I get found out.
Note: I'm smiling as I type this, marriage jail can't be THAT bad!!
I hope everyone has a safe and joyous Holiday season (whatever you celebrate)…..Peace

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Is “Mary” their username on here? Trying to find the members list......

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Rex Foundation, Internet Archive, Electronic Frontier Foundation (John Barlow).

'Nuff said.

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That is an excellent read. Love the part about when he got the letter back!

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Done and done. Hopefully she gets it/hopefully I sent it right.

It is odd that most here seem to have their order—with the exception of international—but me and at least one other Midwesterner on here... I’ve been ordering since day one and have all box sets and all release...and this is the first time I’ve gotten wrapped up in one of the shipping debacles. First time for everything!

As related as I can get, I just broke out the Winterland ‘73 boxset the other week, for the first time in years. Good stuff! That massive playin’>UJB>Dew>UJB>playin’ is indeed killer... but I forgot how raw and rockin’ that Dark Star was from the 3rd show.

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My wife also thinks I need some sort of 12 step program to slow my roll on the disc purchases Mr. Ones. I will consider your initial post and this response as my first meeting, feel free to do the same. Funny thing though, this initial meeting has just reminded me about the upcoming NRPS box, so maybe this whole 12 step thing has the potential to backfire...

Revisited the 5/5/77 and 5/7/77 from the GSTL box over the last couple of days, reminding me once again how much I like everything from May '77. Planning on listening to the rest of that box in the next couple of days. Spinning Blood, Sweat and Tears first album Child is Father to the Man now while doing a little reading and man is it hitting the spot. Not to further sabotage the whole 12 step thing, but if you don't have Child is Father to the Man it is worth checking out...

I can quit anytime. Sipping on a nice decaf download series 6, 3/17/68 as I write this.

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..as they used to say "up North." Just seems a bit cheeky of Dead.net to print holiday deadlines for shipping when some people haven't received orders they have already made. I think they may be aiming a little high with this one.

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I am supposed to receive my NRPS cd s from the Owsley foundation tomorow. They look really cool. I bought 2 copies, one for me and one for my brother.

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I too may have to reign in my musical purchases since my job and me came to the conclusion to let me go. I told them (on my application and in person interview), when asked what my "greatest" and "weakest" strength were. I told them my greatest was my honestly, my weakest, my honestly. In the end they didn't like my honestly :-)

Everyone wants the truth until they don't like the truth.

Also,,,, my new riders have shipped also,,, yay!

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I always thought when i saw this show in Deadbase VI that some songs must be missing out of the second set, sort of how they were for the 12/6/73 show. Checking out Internet Archive i saw that they were hours late for the show. So if you have the Winterland 73 Bonus CD most of what is worth listening to is on the Bonus disc. I just finished listening to the archive version. The Eyes of the World is the highlight with the jam after into Sugar Magnolia. 4 song second set had to make you a little angry if you were there... bob t

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Just got home from work and found my Owsley Foundation 5-disc NRPS box set in my mail box!! Did not see that coming. It looks great(the box material is VERY thin, but everything else is superb). I gotta start listening, hope everyone is enjoying this day.
Dennis, sorry to hear about the job. I think in the long run, you'll end up with something better. We got to think positive to keep the karma good. And just noticing what I've purchased in the last week, It sure looks like I have a cd problem. Hmmmmm......didn't see that coming.
P.S.-the last track on disc 4, Death And Destruction is 13:32, might play that song first!!

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Thanks for the thought on the job front. In the end I don't NEED the job. It was something to fill time. It was a fun job in that I worked with kids and could drink, trip and smoke all night long. As I said to fellow employees many times, "never hire a man who doesn't need the job",,,, we're way too fuckin honest! (if not giving a shit the same as honest? :-) )

I will not be looking until next year regardless. I probably will re-tile my kitchen first. ( I will save more money then I would have made working and the job will be done to my satisfaction! )

On the Owlsey front,,,, mine has been shipped. I was surprised, didn't think it was being released until next month.

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Dennis, all contributed to a crowdfund PM MaryE sent out this morning and bought the shop, it's in your name.

Show up tomorrow, give them all a piece of your mind and fire them.

Hope this helps. Enjoy.. let us know how it goes, perhaps put together a YouTube so we check out their reaction when they get the news.

On a related note.. we need a new release. February? and with the surprise already gone. argh... How about a one disc wonder from '68 just in time for the holidays?

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What a great name, but not as good as Mr. Eggsandwich, classic name.
Speaking of names, where have you gone OROBOROUS?

Going back to the PNW box again. Listening to 6/26/73, so good.
70 shows in 73, just think how many more they could release. Oh, and this box is still available. I would have jumped on the 20% off on this one if I was missing it.

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....there's an NRPS box? Best ship that one to my work address. Lol.

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Someone mentioned this the other day, so I googled/Amazon'd and it lead to me a box set of their first (I think 5) albums at a special price.. said, pass, I already have it. Then today's posts lead me to Bear's Sonic Journals.. so I had to get it.

Then you guys got me all paranoid that I have this CD addiction and I need to hide it from everyone in my house.. so I opened up a new P.O. box under the name Tom Banjo and ordered the puppy licketty split.

I bought a trench coat and fake glasses w/ a mustache and a hat so no one will recognize me when I pick them up.

Got it all figured out.

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Thanks.

What makes a little smile on my face is the owners of the store (father and daughter) have both been sentenced to 3 years in Federal pen on a mislabeling charge stemming from a huge government case over spice. So I'm not there, but they aren't either!

Google "the gas pipe" "dallas" and you can read about the case that dragged on for about 5 years,,, just finished last month with the owners finally being sentenced.

Also on the plus side, my buddy who owns a shop, wants to sell it, move to an up and coming area and open 3 stores at once to 'corner' the market. He wants me to come in with him. Maybe? I've done the own business thing, no sure if I got the get-up-and-go anymore. Takes a lot to do and maybe my wife is ready to retire and travel. Will see what the future holds.

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I would join, but I don't want to be cured. Discs have been arriving here daily lately, sometimes two or three per day. I have been reading Jazz by John Fordham, and a few times a day I read about a disc he loves, put down the book, go order the disc on Discogs, then come back to the book. Not only do I not want to be cured, but I don't NEED to be. My wife happily puts up with my CD purchases, allows huge Magnepan speakers to sit in our living room, allows more Magnepans around the t.v., and allows bookshelf speakers on stands in the kitchen. She never says a word when I replace the stereo and speakers in a newly-purchased vehicle. Love her!

And along the lines of too many CDs, today not one but TWO copies of Ready or Not arrived separately--I only ordered one! No sign of the bolt Seapa/footbag or calendar I ordered, and those two items are now not appearing on the order, although I got charged for them. Grateful Dead Merchandising sure is a hoot these days . . .

Stoltzfus--that was my second show, and I made the decision the other day to finally start listening to the shows I attended, in order. (Haven't been certain that they will hold up to my memories . . . ) I only made it through my first (6/24/91--HOT!), and now I need to get on to 6/28/91. I did not attend the second of the two Sandstone shows back in 1991; I didn't know how to properly do the Dead when I first started.

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I have become increasingly addicted to cds with each passing year. Its great. For the last year or so, my eyes have lit up at the mention of box sets. I decided I wasn't going to buy another one this year, but I broke down last night and ordered the Duane Eddy box, Twangin From Phoenix - or some such- via Discogs . Its on Bear Records, and there are boxes are sumptuous.

Also last night, listening to the amazing, and only Magic Sam Live cd I have-from 1963 and 1969, I decided I definitely needed more by him - and wouldn't you know it, there are several individual cds available-one of which will hopefully come plopping through my door before the week is out.

As well as being addicted to cds, I am also addicted to books and guitars. Although with guitars I am more of a recreational user. Small house, too. Small but full.

Dennis-sounds like an exciting time whatever direction you decide to go in.

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Good to see some what appear to be serious FZ fans. I'm going on 52 years. Neck and neck with the Dead. Good to see at least the 1 way superiority doesn't affect the fans as it did Frank and Gail

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Where is the 25 days of Christmas calendar this year?

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[I've been in fast-forward lately, so if this has already been covered here, my apologies – just keep on scrollin'!]
In case you haven't stumbled across this year's 31 Days of Dead, you might want to check out Ed Martin's efforts at:
https://linernotesmusicblog.wordpress.com/2019/12/01/31-days-of-dead-in…

Even if piecemeal extracts from whole shows aren't your cup of tea, Ed's commentaries on each day's selection are extensive and full of cool observations and obscure tidbits. This is the tenth year he's followed up November's official 30 Days of Dead with an unofficial 31 Days of Dead in December. He's dedicating this year's volume to Robert Hunter. It's only Day 5 and there is already over 2 hours of music revolving and evolving around Robert Hunter and his magical songwriting.

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That's a great box set! Love Bear Family. I saw Duane Eddy at the Guitar Geek Festival maybe 10 years ago, played a grey Gretsch Duane Eddy signature; awesome tone! Not sure if he still performs(he's in his 80s), but he's worth seeing live.

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Original copy on Ebay for a mere $3403. Doesn't come up too often; surprised to see they gave Jerry songwriting credits on both sides...wonder if they were in in Public Domain.

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Ha-haaaa not the Pink Floyd variety, but those were the words that came to mind.

Slipknot! DaP 28, June '76 - upper echelon. Bearly a better one out there. Ha-haaaa bears again, undeliberate.

I love rumble strips.

The Other One DP 18, Feb '78 - post hiatus nothing comes close that I've ever heard.

Jeff Smith thanks for the link. I forget about this guy who does the 31 days every year.

I didn't even really pay too much attention to this year's 30 days of dead on this site. Any dark stars are bird songs? Any rare gems from the 60s or 70s that sound so good you can't believe you didn't have them already?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube…

P.S. - if you haven't listened to the playing in the band from Dave's Picks 18 in a while, it's time. They really just get into some fantastic Jam territory.

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FYI to some fellow WhoHeads on this board ....Tomorrow they are releasing their latest Album. Some of the cuts are pretty good for a couple of 74 year old guys. Cheers !!

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I just came on here to see if anyone knows what time Amazon or iTunes puts an album on sale. Like, is it going to be available for me to download in 40 minutes?

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For me it's always been the case that if I want to read through the latest comments, I just open the website, go to where I want to go and there all you folks are. I didn't used have to sign in to see that stuff.
Today for whatever reason, there are no comments to click on when I go to the Dave's 32 page or say the subscription page. No comments section even listed. WTF?
I was only able to find comments by signing in and clicking on someone's prompt on the opening page where "community" things are mentioned. If I'm not signed in, the last thing I'm able to read on the Dave's 32 is the comment from Dennis where he is thanking Jimbo for the crowdsourced store. Very fun by the way.
Have they disabled regular, easy access because of all the HONEST TALK about the FUCKING HORRIBLE "customer service" during the hopefully high sales holidays?
I hope this is not the case. Website glitch? Hopefully. I'm probably wrong. Issues for this website do seem to be a repeating problem through the years....

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Yes, I saw him last year in London-it was advertised as his 80th Birthday Celebration. And he was superb. As at the show you saw, he played a beautiful signature Gretsch 6120 hollowbody which sounded glorious. He came over as a really nice man, as well - nice sense of humour. It was quite an inspiring evening all round.

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Thanks to folks that offered I contact marye about possible help with my missing vol32 subscription order. Unfortunately, I didn’t hear back from her... I’m suspecting any window she had to help people is past and there are issues out of her control of possible influence.
If I was to guess... Since some reported discs failing to play, and other being told 6 to 8 weeks for a ‘replacement’, when they were clearly calling about not receiving their initial order, that these may be related and Rhino is having to get the run reprinted/pressed/spun/whatever. Just a thought.

Happy Friday folks
Jason

I noticed that too.. I went through the history on my browser to get here. Weird.. I sent MaryE a PM, and it looks like it sent just to me. There's something weird going on here...

I would be surprised if they removed comments, but who knows..

Happy Friday all.

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....JRF & Jimmy noted that the comments section is no longer visible from the main CD page for DaP32. This is true for me as well - the only way I was able to find this section was because I had bookmarked it. Seems we are running incognito at the moment then? Weir'd.

Take a moment today (nay, many moments) to enjoy today's Dark Star from this date back in '73. Also a great HCS, China > Rider and Eyes. Hell, it's all fantastic. I mean, it's fall '73.

https://archive.org/details/gd1973-12-06.sbd.miller.105560.flac16

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Good call.

For what it's worth, I think PMs are not working at all either.

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Good call.

For what it's worth, I think PMs are not working at all either.

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At first I thought it was just a glitch.. but it is quite possible comments and PMs are going away.

I can see the big year-end presentation to the board at Rhino going something like this:

- Strategic initiative to remove comments: Complete
- Strategic initiate to remove PM's: Complete

Next exciting progress on product and customer complaints, Complaints sent to MaryE via PM's have been virtually eliminated. Quality excellence bonuses have been approved. Great job folks!

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