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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • stuman
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    don`t feel bad man
    You explained your intent from the very start of your shn/flac vine series .crap it saves a TON of money on postage ! I had to step away from the NNWL vine because someone converted it , Luckily our freind Andy sent me the dvd`s for that one . And I have been walked through Traders little helper and I have walked others through it too . And I am more then happy to help even more understand it and how it works . Just shoot me a PM I`m more then happy to help anyone ..
  • marye
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    the Grateful Dead has never been a one-size-fits-all experience, and neither is the Vineyard!
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    WAV folks
    I feel a little bad now. As everyone probably knows, I am not trying to exclude anyone. I guess that sometimes once you finally give in and do something, you get to thinking that everyone else has already done it. So when I finally decided to start doing lossless, I figured everyone else did it (or could do it). If you don't have a DVD reader, you can't do it, and if you don't have a burner (a la Hippy) it makes it difficult as you have to burn onto CDs, which hold a lot less. But if you do have a DVD burner, let me tell all you luddites (technophobes) it is SO EASY. People use different software, but I highly recommend Trader's Little Helper. One download. Free. All you need. I don't even have an IPod. I don't have a flat screen. I have a mini stereo system (which ONE DAY will be massively upgraded). I am not into technology. And I did it. Many of the 73 shows I have in my lossless vines have already been vined, either by me in my early Cream Filling vine (11/14, 11/17, 11/20), by Bob in his 73 Eurovine (4 Sept shows), or by others (3/28, 3/31, 5/26). But I am willing to start a few WAV vines containing 3 shows each. WAVers should post here the shows they want vined and I will do that. As for 1977, I am going to let someone else do that. Again, much of 1977 has been vined in WAV (Stache Rides 77, most of the May shows, Winterland 77, Fall 77 Parts 1 and 2). I do feel the need to tell you that from MY EXPERIENCE, it will behoove you to make the switch. I wish I had converted to lossless earlier as I am now slowly trying to replace the WAV shows that I have. The number of people who trade WAV is rapidly shrinking, just as cassette traders have in the past. If you just want to have a small collection, WAV is probably fine. If you want a lot of shows, you definitely should do lossless.
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    I`m with dstache & JackstrawfromCo...
    I have no interest for much of anything in wav format , however i will be adding to a vine here soon that will be in wav format . I don`t have a dvd burner at this time . But yes if someone wants to convert from a large dvd vine , and make a seprate vine out of it thats cool . Maybe just use part of the name of the dvd vine in the name of the wav vine . like 3-18-xx wav from shn/flac #x or something like that . that might help clear some confusion on the folks signing up for the same shows twice thing . I dunno , just a thought .. But yes we can`t exclude the flacless folks here . I beleive dstache has mentioned that once before ..
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    I was going to wait a bit for the smoke to clear from the last new vine installments but am ready to start a May 1981 sbd vine here really soon. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    Marye - That's a tough one
    I have noticed that the larger vines usually contain shows that have already been vined as smaller versions. The only problem with that I see is that you end up signing up for and receiving the smaller vines without realizing that you already have or will have it from the larger vine - so it's kind of a waste in that sense - waste of postage, time etc. That's why I have created my own spreadsheet to keep track of all the shows I have to avoid repeats. I personally enjoy and look for flac/shn vines. I don't really care how big they are as long as it is flac. But for the folks without flac capabilty (and really it is the folks without DVD-roms because it is so simple to convert flacs, that should not be the problem, it's not being able to read the DVD's that's the problem), I understand that they should be able to enjoy these vines too. So I think the only way around that is like Marye suggests (and dstache has mentioned this too) for someone to take the flacs and convert them into smaller (separate) audio CD vines. Problems I see: 1.How would we know someone wants a particular show converted to wav? How would we know to start a new, separate wav vine? Which shows do you convert? 2. You could have a bunch of small vines come off of one large vine - that seems like it could get chaotic, like someone would need to manage that.. 3. There's really no feasible way to convert an entire flac vine into wavs - going from a couple of DVDs to a stack of CDs, that would be an insurmountable amount of work and postage. If I could find a full time job that would pay me to do that ... hmmmm :-) "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    I am all for someone taking a vine, selecting the best shows, converting them to WAV, and vining them. I have asked that my recent vines be lossless ONLY so that the vines will be less cumbersome and expensive to post. But by all means, please convert these vines to WAV and start a NEW vine. If someone does SHN/FLAC, but can't handle a 4 disc vine, I suggest PMing someone who did sign up and offering to trade. I have lost interest in WAV trading but I am always up for lossless trading. I am especially looking for Fall 79, early 80's and Brent 1990 shows.
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    Folks, I'm sure I speak for all of us in giving amazed thanks to dstache and his merry crew for the lossless mega-vines they're putting together. Community, collaboration, and love for the music at its best. Way to go! Some folks have privately expressed concern that these huge vines will stifle the growth of smaller ones and we'll lose folks who aren't set up to handle the big ones--maybe they can only handle CDs, maybe they only want a show or two, and the shows will only be available in the huge collections. I'm not telling anybody what to do here, but it seems to me the fix for that is fairly obvious--someone gets the big vine, excerpts it, and vines that. I'm pretty sure no one here is interested in keeping fellow Vineyard folks from vining in the format of their choice. I mention the issue because it's come up once or twice in the background lately. What you guys want to do about it is up to you! Thanks! ME
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    After checking, I do not believe I am up soon on any vines. I will be out of town 7/31-8/15 and 8/22-8/30. If I lag (more so then usual!) that is why. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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    I looked over my list (this is the smallest its been in months - 26!) and came across vines that are totally dead, trust me, and need to be re-seeded in order for them to continue: 1) 3 from 82 and a 78 too (dead only 3 into the list, sad) I did pm gdhead77 about a re-seed 2) Augusta 10/12/84 3) Buffalo Springfield 4) Santa Fe 83 Then the ones held up by gratefulmikes: 1) Summer 82 2) Greek 84 3) Jimi HendriXmas I spoke with him about a month ago and he was back from being on the road and was going to send out the pile of vines in his possession. Now its a month later and still no movement/communication. Come on gratefulmikes help us out bro! This is just the ones on my list. The overall list is ridiculous. I think dstache has one but I'd also like to consider non-Grateful Dead vines too. Can anybody help re-seed the first 4 on my list?? Please, I'd really appreciate it! I'm always willing to re-seed any lost vines, I just don't have a copy of these yet :( Thanks for your help!! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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I have been away for a couple of months dealing with a very unexpected death in our family. Being the oldest of 3 I had to handle the details of which there were many in a very unorganized fashion. The storm has finally passed thank (insert whoever you belive in here). I believe it is safe to resume vining. I apologize for not posting here sooner,but I'm sure everyone here will understand the situation. It looks as if there are some really cool vines in the mix. I think I have two vines, that I will find out who is next in line and send off asap!! I apologize for the delays and will repair my surely tarnished vining reputation stat!! Kevin
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Kevin. Sorry about ur loss and no worries. There are a few of us here who have been having issues as of late. I hope smileydave still doing alright. Thanks again for the update. As we all know communication is a must in this lil place.
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That stuff is always very hard. Don't worry, your reputation is just fine here brother! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Sorry for your loss, Kevin. Glad to have you back.
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Sorry to hear of your loss .. welcome back .. " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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Thanks for the support guys. I have sent off one vine (New 90's Pt 1) and I cannot locate the other that I was supposed to have (Capital Center '91) I posted to the vine offering blanks if someone would re-seed. That should have me up to date. If anyone knows of vines that I was the death of let me know and I will try to help. Again thanks to eveyone in this community for your understanding of life's ups and downs and for all you do for the vineyard. Especially those who have vined with me for years now and always have the back of a brother, as I wil always have yours when you need it.Kevin
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starting to turn arond here, slowly though. I will try to get working on some of these vines, jst depends on how much stamina i have. thanks all for your well-wishes and patience
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It seems a few folks have been through some hard times lately and they have received nothing but kindness and understanding. Here's some good springtime wishes to all of you! I think the members of this vineyard really must be one of the nicest groups of people anywhere on the web.
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We rock! Hang in there Matt and take your time! Anybody going to Furthur Sunday night? "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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A very special place indeed. Sure wish I was going to be in NY this weekend... ahh well .. Matt - Great to hear that things are getting better! Please take your time with vine turn around. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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There is a chance that I may be moving by April. If I do or not I will let you know. Hopefully I can still vine but if life gets in the way the vineyard would have to be put on hold for me. If this is the case I will mail any remaining vines that haven`t been signed up on to JSFC to hold onto.-Jake
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at least I hope so - good luck with the move as for me - I'll be back in Calif. Tuesday night I got a couple vines with me that I may get out on Monday the ones waiting for me in Sunnyvale will be turned around within a day or two of my return THANKS ALL!!
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Without sounding too hyperbolic, last night's Furthur show (3/27) at Radio City was far and away the best post-Jerry show of any type I have seen. If you get the chnce, check out the setlist and even more check out the guests, Elvis Costello, Diana Krall, etc, etc. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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Set I: Samson & Delilah Chest Fever (w/Larry Capmbell) Tennessee Jed (w/Larry Campbell & Elvis Costello) Friend of The Devil (w/Larry Campbell & Elvis Costello) Ship of Fools > (w/Larry Campbell & Elvis Costello) It Must Have Been The Roses > (w/Larry Campbell & Elvis Costello) Ship of Fools (w/Larry Campbell & Elvis Costello) Cassidy Ripple (w/Larry Campbell, Elvis Costello & Diana Krall) Set II: Throwing Stones Sunrise (w/Teresa Williams) St. Stephen > Radio City jam > St. Stephen > What's Become of The Baby > (w/Teresa Williams) The Eleven > Uncle John's Band... (w/Larry Campbell) Unbroken Chain > The Wheel > Morning Dew > Sugar Magnolia Encore: Donor Rap Days Between Encore II: Phil Banter Jam > (w/Larry Campbell, Elvis Costello & Diana Krall) Fever (w/Larry Campbell, Elvis Costello & Diana Krall) Encore III: Phil banter/intros Attics of My Life (w/Elvis Cosello & Teresa Williams) Does anyone out there know if the Dead ever did "Whats Become of the Baby" live? "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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I think it was last played by the GD in 1969. They did one on 4/26/69 in Chicago. Of course Furthur did it at FurthurFest last year. I agree that they are firing on all cylinders so far in 2011!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Keep a song in your heart. higher i never did care for the crowd noise.
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for the well wishes...what a helluva past 6 weeks. now that all the crap is behind its time to start burnin' and turnin', spinnin' and grinnin'......will try to keep posted but be on the lookout for packages from wisconsin!!!
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It's called vibe vault, I can download shows directly to my phone from archives.org .. This is awesome since I can't find a flax player for Android or a download manager that actually works .. just thought I would share this with you all ... Take care .... " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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I will be stayin at my current address for a little while longer it seems.
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i'm not 100% yet but please contact me before shifting me around in order on vines. it was grately appreciated, but i can handel a few vines. and just to update, i just "beat on this round the big C"......total remission, am weak but gettin by. and besides now that the snow is gone, ain't nothin' better than a walk to the p.o......thanks again all!
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Take care brother. That is great news and man, I'm sorry you are going through that. <> "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Anyways, it was supposed to say inside the <> ... positive healing wishes and vibes to you "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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The positive vibes will continue to be sent your way from the Vineyard. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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sorry about crazy stupid rant , no excuses , was on mushrooms bad , i am sorry if i ever said anything bad about anyone personally
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I have been investigating different ways to store files on line, that would be accessible by more than one person. I have put some shows on a skydrive. The files are downloadable, no passwords are needed. If any of you want to try it out, feel free and PM me to let me know how it worked. (or didn't work) Here is the address: http://cid-0908c9749ff4b1b3.skydrive.live.com/home.aspx?sa=795624458
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I will be vining the 1969 Lossless Project composed of 5 parts by the end of the month. I will being posting multiple parts at once. I ask that once these get the go ahead, no one has more than one vine at a time, please. So if you sign up first on more than one, I will be sending it to the person after you. Don't take it as disrespect I just wanna keep this music moving. That being said, enjoy this healthy dose of Pigpen and 1969.
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So, Jake, are you including the shows that were vined as Early 69 (which included most of Jan-Apr) in the 1969 Lossless Project? I don't know if there are 5 parts if you don't include those shows. I am very interested in all the shows not included in the Early 69 parts. Thanks!
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Cancel that, just saw your post in the Early 69 thread. Makes sense. Looking forward to the later shows!
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Glad to see everyones excited about these vines. Ive been wanting some shows from this great yr in lossless for some time now as the majority that have been vined here were on cd that I signed up on forever ago it seems. Listening to the Lovelight from an old Woodstock Bootleg many years ago got me to be a Pigpen fan. Thanks to Rick for sendin me the shows and I hope you all enjoy these as much as I do. You can never have too many Dark Stars, The Other Ones, or Lovelights IMO. Long live the vineyard and happy vining to all.
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Rick? As in Ltapilot? It's because of him the '67 vine is out there...Thanks Rick
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LTAPilot behind the scenes!! Thanks for everything Rick =) If I remember correctly he lives like 30 min from me ... "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I have been able keep things mostly organized since being part of this community. I am at a total loss. I got some Feb-Mar 2011 Further stuff in the mail, and I have been up and down the threads, and I don't see a 2011 Further vine. I am sure it's right in front of my face. Is there a 2011 Further Vine?
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Not a Furthur Vine. Just a couple of shows to share. Best Wishes-Jimmy
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Well it appears I need a new burner. I wont be able to get one for a lil bit so I`ve sent all my original 1969 DVDs from Rick to kwitt so he can burn and turn instead of me risking more DVD issues. Everyone should be getting replacement discs and Parts 4 and 5 should be sent soon.I apologize for the hangup but I promise its worth the wait.
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No problem Jake, thanks for all your hard work on this one! And thanks for stepping in, Kwitt!
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The original DVDs arrived today. Will burn and turn each of the five vines ASAP. Thanks Jake!
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I have re-burned all 5 vines although it looks like JBH69Flyer fixed #1. The remaining 4 will ship tomorrow. I'll update each vine list once they ship. Thanks to Jake for providing well organized info. Great stuff here folks!
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Thanks kwitt for the great job on fixing the 1969 Vines. Yes, I was able to DL the needed shows to fix the 1969 Vine Part One. Planning to send zepthompson my fixes and then send the vine out to the next person on the list. Thanks again to Jake R for starting this vine and kwitt for the fixes. Great Stuff!! Best Wishes-Jimmy
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Keith and Jimmy side note headed out of town later this week I'll try to update any vines where it looks like I should be knocked down a notch or two gone for one week - should not be a big deal thanks again every one!
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I wouldn't worry about making any adjustments to lists ... we can wait =) Have a good trip! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Thanks to all involved in these vines - LtaPilot, Jake R, Kwitt and JBH69Flyer. What a very awesome effort! Cheers =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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It's been a while since I posted anything so I just wanted to check in and say hello . Looks like I am stuck in salt lake city for the weekend ,, :-( Anyway, hope all is well with everyone !! Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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FYI-I will be shut down for a few days while I replace my internal hard drive. Hope I can get it back and be operational by the end of the week. Your patience will be appreciated. Best Wishes-Jimmy
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earlier todayhome tomorrow will catch up and get out what I got by Tuesday :D
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i'd drop inand wish everyone a festive and safe summer season......be well all