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Agree w/ all comments on this one. Of course I missed the original incarnations, and there are some true barn burners. it's virtually impossible for me to pick a favorite. You have to give it to Phil (who wrote the music) for bringing this back with a vengeance.

It was a high water mark of many of my post GD shows. In fact.. all those old songs they brought back that most of us never got to see were perhaps the high point (for me) of the post Jerry incarnations. If you missed the original, these recreations are the best we are going to get and the closest we will ever come. Add Viola Lee Blues to that list of 60's redux songs. Man.. to have been at some of those back in the day.. Set the controls for 1968.

Here's one for historical content.. the Owsley show at Radio City. The entire first set was pre 1968. RIP Bear, Shine on you crazy diamond.. and it's a pretty clean soundboard. The viola lee is especially fun and bouncy.

https://archive.org/details/furthur2011-03-26.sbd.official.113515.flac1…

AJS; thanks! Hard to phantom it was all those years ago....
That Visions was a Bobby Dazzler for sure. Was fortunate to see the first one in Hampton, (along with the Box Rain), and the last one on 7/8/95. Not as good, but still powerful in another way. Seeing Visions and Ballad of a Thin Man were definetly “career” highlights for this freak.

7/16/90; didn’t see much of CSN due to pre-show routines etc, but have seen them a few times going back to early 80s? Used to think they should have released this one as “Truckin’ up to Buffalo”, as the actually played Truckin’ in Buffalo, and I used to think it was a better show. But as I’ve become more familiar with the shows, the 89 show has really grown on me, not just compared to the 90 show, but compared to the whole Summer 89 tour...
90 was one of the last times we hung out with Lee Esdee. Was with that 20 year old I’ve spoke of in the past, so definetly a fine day for sure. That summer tour was pretty good. I think it was on the slight backside from the peak of Spring tour, with perhaps a touch more slop than spring, including unfortunately Brent’s decline, but still a great time in GD touring history. Someday perhaps we’ll get something from that tour; maybe some video?

Here, here, yaassss, thanks Phil for all the great “post” versions of this, Viola, Cosmic, New Potato etc. Will always have a special place in my heart for the Phil Denver Philmore shows, but man I really dug Further.
Still think they should have had John, Warren, Jimmy, et el play parts of the Fare Thee Well shows. No disrespect to Trey, I think he did a mostly decent job, especially since they really didn’t rehearse much, but I think they would have been better shows with the guys who actually knew the tunes and had played them with the band members...but I digress....
Have seen some good D&C versions of the 11 etc, a hot version from Boulder a few years ago stands out in my minds eye, but I think the Further ones were my favs?
Speaking of the Philmore shows; that was a nice time in “GD” history. The Other Ones and Futhur fest were cool and kept things going, but I rember feeling like “yeah, this is more like it, this is the shit” the first few stands at Denver. Man the time they played Keep on Growing etc with a very Pregnant Tedeschi and Trucks, that whole set, phewwww, need to look that one up some time! Such a cool venue too, not big, but not too small. The venue, the band, all those great old tunes, it was definitely a great renaissance period.

I was with an old Korean War veteran at that time and he took the minute or so for silence. He was the same age as Willie Nelson (3 weeks younger) and smoked as much weed. He was on a B-29 in the USAF. Also interesting to note he was very much anti-war. He used to go to Grateful Dead concerts several times a year. And he was one of my all time best friends.
I only saw the Dead perform the 11 once, 12/26/81. No words , just the cord progressions.
As far as Dark Star, St. Stephen, Lovelight -9/19/70 was a standout. (pigpen-thank you). 1970 was a wonderful time to be a teenager going to Grateful Dead concerts.

...."These go to Eleven" - Nigel Tufnel

Thanks for jamming me again.

It has been well documented that I missed the Hampton Warlocks at the fault of everyone else in my group who, for some unknown reason, placed a higher importance on graduate school than a historic concert. I also spent another night in Hampton listening to Ballad of a Thin Man in the parking lot. One of only two shows where I made the trip and was not able to grab tix.

It's all good boss.

I'll throw in "She Belongs to Me" for my most cherished memories of shows. Lot's of wonderful music, but those two stand out for sure.

It's funny. I bailed on the band for 15 years. Sure, I saw The Dead, The Other Ones, Phil and his collection of buddies whenever they came within a reasonable distance of town. Nothing seemed to get the juices flowing again. Then came Furthur and something just clicked when they played The Eleven. Kadlecik wailing away. It was great.

Saw Furthur a few more times, but they were never able to capture that moment again for me. It did, however, motivate me to get to the Capitol Theatre to see a bunch of shows. Phil and his boys were the clear stars down there. Among the many highlights were Viola Lees Blues, Doin That Rag and a half hour long H>S>F encore.

Back in 2016 a long time tour friend reached out to me with tickets for the first Dead & Co. show at Fenway. So, I went. Two things I will say, the sound itself was unbelievable and Mayer is the best fake Jerry to date. We had an unbelievably good time. First set H>S>F. St. Stephen, Dark Star, Morning Dew, Casey Jones.

Unfortunately, these days Dead & Co. isn't getting it done for me. I realize that lots of folks here enjoy it, but the tempo is just too slow for my ears. And the tickets are way, way overpriced.

So, I am back to the old formula of seeing them in my backyard. Bob rolled through a year or so ago with the Wolf Brothers. Again, a little slow for my liking. Got to see an acoustic Deep Elem Blues, Easy to Slip and Ripple. All were outstanding. I kinda wish he would just stick to acoustic. To me it is far more enjoyable at that pace.

Sorry for the rant, but you got me motivated to break out some old versions of The Eleven.

I think Further were their best from 2009 through 2012 (at least that's my take). I believe Bobby was expending extra efforts getting traction in the later years, something he seemed to address after they disbanded.

That's right.. the played a one-off of Visions in Hampton '86. I know I was at the Break Out of Box of Rain (which in doing some research was on a Friday night). Visions was the night before and I'll be damned if I can remember if I was there or not.. I think the answer to that depends on whether or not this was during Spring Break or if we drove down Friday after the early classes??? Oroborous.. I can only hope we crossed paths at one of the apparently many shows we seem to share in common.

Caught one She Belongs to Me too (Richmond).. what an emotional powerhouse that was.. when I hear it to this day I stop what I am doing and the emotions become my own. ..but I'm a sucker for the Jerry Ballads..

i thought today was the order day for Dave's 33.

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A friend and I always say that The Eleven was the best thing the Grateful Dead ever did.

I LOVED Futhur. I have enjoyed Dead & Co., but the size and price of their shows means I likely won't see them again. CAN I afford to attend?--yes. But at some price point it feels wrong to me.

I bought my ticket that day at the box office. My seat was in the very last row. When I went up to my seat, there was a women up there with a handful of tickets, she handed me one and said "you can go down there and have a seat". I went down and sat in the second row. The Dead opened up with Box of Rain and then did Visions of Johanna. It was really cool.

AJS; sorry to “stir it up” yuck, yuck. I bet anyone who went to a decent amount of shows has some tale of regret.
I had tix for Toga 88 but had to deal with medical shit and an upper GI that day sohad to sell tix. Probably 4 or 6 other almost/what if’s, but “goes to show....” Perhaps that’s what made the “super” shows we did get to so special.
SHE BELONGS definetly a Bobby Dazzler. Saw a few of those and Believe it or not, which to me was like a cousin, or “Jerry” version of She Belongs. I love She belongs so much I used to play it. Also, don’t feel bad, the first night of Hampton 88 was the only time I went to a show but didn’t get in. I know Stir it up and Visions aren’t quite the same, but it still sucks. The part that really sucked was not knowing that the show was being broadcast in some (hotel?) parking lot. Dooooo! Heard the next day it was a hell of a party...
JIM; yes, seems we were at many of the same shows...great minds think alike, lol
Hopefully some day I’ll have the pleasure of meeting some of you nice folks at some shows! But,
PRICES ETC; agree, tix, especially with all the bullshit charges are getting steep and the cost/benefit ratio ain’t quite what it used to be. That and/or I’m just another old bastard that wouldn’t leave the house much if I didn’t have to!
So like many, I’ll still go as long as I’m able, it’s easy, and it’s close....very fortunate in Colorado that we have awesome venues and they come round fairly often...

BILLYKID; that’s one hell of an opening, and I’m guessing all around show!

You're right.. they did it at BCT too. I forgot about that.

Brewer, I'm with you on ticket prices. It scared me away for many a show too, again, not because I can't afford it. The pricing and the way that pooped on the fan preorder = a real WTF are you guys doing factor. Couldn't they modernize GDTS or something? Perhaps Ticketmaster and LiveNation have too big a stranglehold, but the process leaves me feeling dirty.

....I have one. Monterey '88. Missed the Friday show. Look it up. Dammit!!
Another one. Shoreline. 10.1.89. Good show, but to bust out so many relics a week later at Hampton? Back then i was mad. Now I'm just sad. I looked at it like a big Fuck You to the home crowd. Rant over.
10.1.89 presently spinning. A Jack Straw opener is always welcome.

deadheadbrewer its not that it feels wrong. It is wrong. When a band has a loyal following since the beginning and a member (jerry) has a moral stand on pricing and that person dies the price should morally drop. Some people say that inflation is the reason. Bull. I'm pissed because I saw a person on this site mention they had tix for dead and co.years ago on a swap thread And they wanted to sell them for cost since they had a illness and everyone bailed. $1000. I thought they were crazy so I looked up the prices for the show date and location for seats and the person was right. $250.00 per ticket. I could not believe my f***ing eyes. And the worst part was those were not the most expensive tix for that show. $$300.00 per person for floor seats..we all know that back in the day general admission was all we cared about. It dont matter where as long as your there, right? How could they sleep at night knowing that deadheads are being charged this price by hippies from Haight/Ashbury. Look what pearl jam did in this situation. They called their own prices. But I digress.

....lost in the shuffle i guess.
$300 for floor??? If Jerry was playing, a solid maybe. For $300, I better have a chair to sit on! Or stand on if they bust out an Eleven.

So I was in town today for an MRI...afterwards I went over to the local used book shop...they also carry a section of used CD's and I found a copy of Dick's Pick 11 (Ironic que no?)...asking price was $30 which was pretty reasonable but I didn't want to spend any cash for it because of some recent purchases I had made...I had planned going back to Flagstaff this weekend with a hefty book trade in that should easily bring about $100 to $120 in store credit...what to do what to do...they only hold stuff for 24 hrs so I did the sleazy thing and hid it in the soft rock bin...hopefully it's still there late Friday afternoon when I go back...sigh

That is a good question. What about ramble on rose. It's a great one. Same with mr. Charlie but little talk on either.

....guilty as charged here.

....its all Dark Star this, Help On The Way that, She Belongs To Me somewhere in the middle. Give me a break. Lol.

Yes.. you did. I have it on good advisement that VGuy is scouring the soft rock section of all the used book stores in CA as I write this. After all.. the last song on disc 2 is Ramble On Rose.

And what's wrong with Help>Slip!>Franklins? (kidding)

Just checked.. there's a used/mint copy of DP11 on eBay for $28 + Shipping @ the "Buy it now" price. Nobody talks about that one anymore.. I bet if it came out as Dave's Picks 35 people would go ape shit over it. They'd be talking about that killer second set Ramble On Rose as it sells out in minutes.. :D

What I find most disturbing (and most everybody has forgotten), is that the artist responsible for the 500% (or more) price rise in tickets is......wait for it......Barbra Streisand. You can look it up. After no live performances for quite a long time, she thought she could get $300.00 for tix. And she was right!! But who do you think came in right behind her to jump on this bonanza?? That's right, The Eagles. You can look it up. After these two, the horse was completely out of the barn. I will NEVER pay more than $100.00 for a ticket, and luckily, I saw many, many shows for $12.00 or less. Then, when they DID get expensive, they were $25.00. I was still willing. I have paid $65,$75,$85 for tix, but triple digits is an insult to my standards of respect for your fans.

Rant is over.

The Dude abides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1WJqKWqUHQ

I just tore down the four by two foot Yentl poster in my room. Thanks for allowing me to finally see the light.

I remember my dad taking me to see the Orioles when I was a kid.. ticket's in the bleachers were $, 1.50 or something like that. Colts tickets were like $7. The last time I paid for a ticket to see any professional sporting team was in the 1980's.. they lost me when they started to Streisand their ticket prices. Screw em.

Anyone want to predict the over under for later on today's Dave's pre-order. bob t

My perspective and apologies in advance to those I might offend.

I laughed when I heard that the Eagles were charging $300 per ticket. But it makes sense. Bands like that don't tour that often, so folks are willing to pay up. More importantly, they are mainstream. Lot's of people like the music, so you are drawing from a larger pool of suckers.

The Dead were mostly a fringe band with a very loyal following. Out of generosity (or whatever you want to call it), they kept prices low. Towards the end prices did begin to rise as the hordes descended, but they never got really out of control.

Dead & Co. has attracted an entire new generation of fans who are well funded and think nothing of spending $14 for avocado toast. Dead & Co. seem to be pushing the envelope to see what they can get away with. Good for them. You earned it boys. Yup, it does suck for us old-timers who may want to go, but that is reality.

It's just not for me. The music is too slow and Garcia ain't standing up there. It's my choice on how to spend discretionary money.

For the price of ONE general admission ticket to Dead & Co., I can fly to Europe. For the price of those Mexican sandbox shows (which I don't think even included airfare and sell out in days), I can take my entire family to Europe for ten days. All in. Airfare, food, lodging, drinks, museums, etc. Everything. Then at night, I can pop open a nice bottle of Bordeaux or Umbrian red to keep the day's glow going and stream the Europe 72 show that they played in the theater down the street.

I just refuse to pay those prices. There are too many other cool things to do in life and I can still enjoy the music.

Gone by 3:00 pm CST.

22000 this year.

What does the winner get? Signed copy of DaP #1?

three angry rants about missing the Daves33 sale.

by 4:00

I wanted to add.. and perhaps you beat me to the punch.. that artists have the right to charge whatever they want for ticket prices and it's up to us to decide whether we want to go. Keeping ticket prices so low post In The Dark encouraged many more people to show up at shows than there were tickets.. which created huge crowd control problems in the later years and ultimately much turmoil, distress and one could argue created a public health issue.. people died. ...but that's really on us fans for being idiots and going when we should have stayed home.

Part of me thinks charging so much will affect the crowd that comes.. and that the crowd won't be the same thereby affecting the entire scene. Partly true, but perhaps AJS is right, the times have changed, the population has almost than doubled since my early show seeing days and the # of venues surely hasn't kept pace.. perhaps a greater evil is TicketNazi and the consolidation of venue owners.. the artists, although culpable, are to an extent along for the ride and subject to market forces and changes in fan behavior.

Orobor - 10-15-83 Was there also,,,, was that you all fucked up yelling, "Alone Again Naturally", "Alone Again",, "fuckin Jerry".

I think JiminMD and I were at a lot of the same shows, 80's east coast. Wish I had caught a west coast show or two.

I can ALWAYS take an "Eyes", best last line, "sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own"

Show cost - yeah, totally agree. I see the prices on old tickets and think wow. But, I remember back in the day when you needed to sent a money order for a tour, for 2 people it added up to a sum that was hard to come by back then.

I always think of ticket prices in terms of sushi. When I take my girlfriend out for sushi, we almost always spend about $150. (We always drink, of course.) She loves sushi, while I would be just as content with a six inch tuna from subway, as long as I had a Newcastle to wash it down.

So, that's my tipping point. Is it worth a sushi dinner to see this band?

According to my calculations, which admittedly are being made before my morning coffee is finished, the average ticket cost has outpaced inflation. Per this site, the average ticket price is just short of $100.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/380106/global-average-music-tour-ti…

Seems high to me in general, but not for the most popular groups. Most of the shows that i'm seeing are between $25 - $75. If you inflate $10.00 from 1968 at 3% annually you end up at $46.50 - seems about in line with what i'm seeing.

But for the most popular acts, the business model has changed. Sales of physical music, mostly CDs, have plummeted for the last 20 years.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/186772/album-shipments-in-the-us-mu…

Since the music industry is no longer making any money from album sales, prices live music have been pushed up to compensate. Of course its more complicated than that, but in general that's what happened.

A good way to look at it, and you're right.

ok.. at least one D&C show next year.. if I get the chance I am gonna try and venture to see my old friends from the NE.. also, the PNW is on my vacation agenda sometime over the couple years.. I hear the Gorge is nice. I will just make sure this hits the budget as a social adventure.. :D

Be good all.. it's after 12 here meaning we are on the downward slide 'til the weekend.

.....complain about being shut out of the ala carte sale.

....30 minutes till all hell breaks loose for the DaP 33 release page commencement.
As others have noted, expect internet breakage and sadness as it evaporates into thin air in seemingly no time. Followed by sage words such as "subscribe" and "subscription".
Dekalb = a fantastic show and I've had a crisp copy of this one ever since the Now and Then Shop heyday in New Hope, PA. The copy I found back then is as good a copy as I have ever heard, but there are a few very minor patches that I would like to see cleaned up.

Jimmy - I know someone in NE who would welcome your presence for D&C.

Sixtus

P.S. - ha, sames, ConeKid

I paid in that range 3 times from 2010-2017.
It was worth it because I wanted to be on the floor where people usually remain standing, and you don’t get yelled at for dancing.
Up in the seats people just sit there and tell you to sit down.

Last time I saw D&C, Nov. 2017, I think I only paid $99 for GA floor.

... on this morning's local news, they had a quick story about the cheapest ticket to this year's Super Bowl: $4400... for the CHEAPEST TICKET! Some other tickets are going for over $20,000... Now, I love football as much as the next guy, but that is ludicrous.

Phish at MSG tix were just under $100 face. Not sure how much GA floor was. They've gotten much more expensive too, but I think the prices were higher because it was a New Year's run.

Is it Friday yet?

Peace

Costs have gone up, including transportation from city to city.

Visuals have definitely improved compared to the screen saver visuals we got in the 90’s.
Of course, the 90’s screen savers were better than the oil, water, and food coloring in a glass dish on an overhead projector like you see in videos from the 60’s.

So, at least some of the higher price we are paying is going to better visuals and good quality sound equipment.
Got to give it to D&C, the sound quality was always good when I saw them.
And FTW had great sound, and loud too. They sound checked Althea on that Saturday and Sunday and I could hear it clearly at least a half mile away.
Roger Waters had great visuals and perfect sound.

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The DaP33 page says release on 1/24/2020

looks like a Phil fest

I still have not received my subscription copy of Vol. 32. How many out there are in the same boat? Will Vol. 33 beat Vol. 32? Is Dave outraged but this lack of service?

January 22, 2020 - 3:22pm

and most recently received an email stating that replacement stock for Dave's Picks #32 is now being sent back to the Rhino office for distribution.

https://www.dead.net/forum/30-trips-around-sun-music-only-edition

Someone here called Mayer "the best of the fake Jerrys." Well, he most certainly is. Slow tempos or not, that's a great band with the best live sound I've ever heard in a larger outdoor venue. So ticket prices are high, yes - they've got to pay themselves but they've also got to pay Mayer.

On official D&C recordings, it says "John Mayer appears courtesy of Columbia Records." Columbia is undoubtedly getting a little something off the top for their "courtesy."

I won't dig it up now, but you could find it - John Mayer earns substantially more per show as a solo artist than he does with Dead & Co. I'm not sure how much crossover there is between audiences - I really can't stand most of his solo work, but love him in D&C.

I would really like John to be in the band for the duration, at least for as long as all the current members remain playing together. That has to be less than ten more years and it could, in fact, end any time.

So I'll pay whatever to see what is without a doubt the last best live version of the Grateful Dead, along with the best of the fake Jerrys for as long as I possibly can.

Bob is the best fake Bob out there...haaaa!!!

Got same message --- and my 33 came today. Not a happy camper.

How can this persist so long? Just meaningless email responses. Ship Vol 32! I have to believe if there was a warehouse problem then someone must be holding on to the CDs to get a bill paid. We're caught in the middle. Or what? At least give us an explanation. How can Dave not be getting to the bottom of this and fixing this mess by now? It's his namesake, so he should care.

2/4 and still no copy of 32. Received Vol 33 which is great, but still nothing on this one. Original copy was sent to the wrong person (hope he is enjoying it), but where is my copy?? Paid in full but nothing to show for it. HELP ME!

Silly me...here I was all excited about finding a used copy of Dickus Pickus # 11 after hiding it for a week in the soft rock section of a used bookstore, when lo and behold I found a copy I had no memory of getting in a box of stuff I was sorting through over the weekend...sent if off to a friend who is unwise in the way of dead.net so it will be enjoyed but still...guess I gotta come up with some sorta spread sheet in my phone to avoid situations like this...silly me

I feel your pain. Me too. Still no Vol 32 and tracking showed the one they sent in the FAll went to multiple locations until it wound up somewhere in Indiana. I live in Ohio.

I live in Sweden, in Stockholm. I had problems with Dave´s Picks Vol. 31, as many others, but it worked out well in the end. It took a long time to get vol. 32 - and I had to write once to the Dead - but now I received it today. I received Vol. 33 a week ago so hopefully this will work out fine in the future. By the way - Vol. 32 is terrific! A fine show from my favorite year.