Grateful Dead

.....complain about being shut out of the ala carte sale.

A good way to look at it, and you're right.

ok.. at least one D&C show next year.. if I get the chance I am gonna try and venture to see my old friends from the NE.. also, the PNW is on my vacation agenda sometime over the couple years.. I hear the Gorge is nice. I will just make sure this hits the budget as a social adventure.. :D

Be good all.. it's after 12 here meaning we are on the downward slide 'til the weekend.

According to my calculations, which admittedly are being made before my morning coffee is finished, the average ticket cost has outpaced inflation. Per this site, the average ticket price is just short of $100.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/380106/global-average-music-tour-ti…

Seems high to me in general, but not for the most popular groups. Most of the shows that i'm seeing are between $25 - $75. If you inflate $10.00 from 1968 at 3% annually you end up at $46.50 - seems about in line with what i'm seeing.

But for the most popular acts, the business model has changed. Sales of physical music, mostly CDs, have plummeted for the last 20 years.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/186772/album-shipments-in-the-us-mu…

Since the music industry is no longer making any money from album sales, prices live music have been pushed up to compensate. Of course its more complicated than that, but in general that's what happened.

I always think of ticket prices in terms of sushi. When I take my girlfriend out for sushi, we almost always spend about $150. (We always drink, of course.) She loves sushi, while I would be just as content with a six inch tuna from subway, as long as I had a Newcastle to wash it down.

So, that's my tipping point. Is it worth a sushi dinner to see this band?

Orobor - 10-15-83 Was there also,,,, was that you all fucked up yelling, "Alone Again Naturally", "Alone Again",, "fuckin Jerry".

I think JiminMD and I were at a lot of the same shows, 80's east coast. Wish I had caught a west coast show or two.

I can ALWAYS take an "Eyes", best last line, "sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own"

Show cost - yeah, totally agree. I see the prices on old tickets and think wow. But, I remember back in the day when you needed to sent a money order for a tour, for 2 people it added up to a sum that was hard to come by back then.

I wanted to add.. and perhaps you beat me to the punch.. that artists have the right to charge whatever they want for ticket prices and it's up to us to decide whether we want to go. Keeping ticket prices so low post In The Dark encouraged many more people to show up at shows than there were tickets.. which created huge crowd control problems in the later years and ultimately much turmoil, distress and one could argue created a public health issue.. people died. ...but that's really on us fans for being idiots and going when we should have stayed home.

Part of me thinks charging so much will affect the crowd that comes.. and that the crowd won't be the same thereby affecting the entire scene. Partly true, but perhaps AJS is right, the times have changed, the population has almost than doubled since my early show seeing days and the # of venues surely hasn't kept pace.. perhaps a greater evil is TicketNazi and the consolidation of venue owners.. the artists, although culpable, are to an extent along for the ride and subject to market forces and changes in fan behavior.

three angry rants about missing the Daves33 sale.

by 4:00

Gone by 3:00 pm CST.

22000 this year.

What does the winner get? Signed copy of DaP #1?

My perspective and apologies in advance to those I might offend.

I laughed when I heard that the Eagles were charging $300 per ticket. But it makes sense. Bands like that don't tour that often, so folks are willing to pay up. More importantly, they are mainstream. Lot's of people like the music, so you are drawing from a larger pool of suckers.

The Dead were mostly a fringe band with a very loyal following. Out of generosity (or whatever you want to call it), they kept prices low. Towards the end prices did begin to rise as the hordes descended, but they never got really out of control.

Dead & Co. has attracted an entire new generation of fans who are well funded and think nothing of spending $14 for avocado toast. Dead & Co. seem to be pushing the envelope to see what they can get away with. Good for them. You earned it boys. Yup, it does suck for us old-timers who may want to go, but that is reality.

It's just not for me. The music is too slow and Garcia ain't standing up there. It's my choice on how to spend discretionary money.

For the price of ONE general admission ticket to Dead & Co., I can fly to Europe. For the price of those Mexican sandbox shows (which I don't think even included airfare and sell out in days), I can take my entire family to Europe for ten days. All in. Airfare, food, lodging, drinks, museums, etc. Everything. Then at night, I can pop open a nice bottle of Bordeaux or Umbrian red to keep the day's glow going and stream the Europe 72 show that they played in the theater down the street.

I just refuse to pay those prices. There are too many other cool things to do in life and I can still enjoy the music.

Anyone want to predict the over under for later on today's Dave's pre-order. bob t