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marye

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In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.

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May 8, 2011 - 3:24am

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TigerLilly

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???

What is POTUS please??********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
May 7, 2011 - 7:45pm

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Dew_Lover

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Anyone else find it interesting?

Watching as the POTUS mimics "W" with this whole "war on terror" thiing...
April 24, 2011 - 2:36pm

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marye

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short answer

all of the above and it's complicated. Entire conferences are held on this subject regularly.
April 24, 2011 - 1:54pm

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re - book publishing - Marye

Forgive this old author if I'm wrong, but didn't the publishing business use to work a different way? Editors were paid to read manuscripts presented by agents (one pile) and by he authors themselves (the slush pile). If they liked it they signed you to a contract and gave you an advance and made the manuscript into a book and promoted it to a degree (to what degree was always the problem). Now, anybody can do desk-top publishing and it's all like a vanity press except you did all the work to make it into a bonafide book. If you distribute yourself, you keep a lot of the money. If they distribute and promote they make about 5/6ths of the cost of a book. How much space is their at Borders and Waldens and other book chains, not to mention Wal-Mart? Only so much room for a few best-sellers. Am I missing the boat or isn't that a difference in the way authors at least get paid and promoted? And what difference has desk-top publishing made? I guess I wouldn't know if something I picked up is desk-topped or not., and desk-top authors make more money, I guess, minus their promotion and reproduction expenses. Feel free to move this to another thread.
April 24, 2011 - 1:36pm

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Happy Easter to you Graceful

Hope you enjoyed the meaning of the day with loved ones. Still, you pose an interesting question: "How could one be grateful to be dead? If "dead" is not the end.." It is my opinion the some of the tunes Hunter wrote, almost the entire genre, were about people who died sadly, violently (Jack Straw, Me & My Uncle etc.) and according to which part of religion you belong to (or not) you might believe some of them condemned to hell for eternity. That ain't my religion. Mine probably has more hells than yours, just not eternal. There was a guy who used to post here who freaked out at "Friend of the Devil" (star_sleeper?) regularly So, without going uber-philosophical here, You could ddefinitely be grateful to be Dead, especially if it's not the end. Maybe it seems dark to you, but there are things in this world you do not know exist, and don't wanna know. Still. wish you all the happiness this day is meant to bring.
April 24, 2011 - 12:42pm

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Graceful_Dead

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Graceful-Wolfbat

Marye, lamagonzo, thanks for watching for an even keel; but no harm.Built to last? Yes, going on 2,000 years this morning. How could one be grateful to be dead? If "dead" is not the end.
April 20, 2011 - 10:35am

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marye

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>They'll publish anything and pay you if somebody buys it.

this is a change how? Nonetheless, as the forum moderator, to say nothing of the editor of a friend's recently published novel having nothing to do with the Dead, I would note that this is, in the words of one of the band's cover tunes, drifting too far from the shore here, and let us stick to religion, spirituality and Deadheads here rather than promoting one's fiction or slagging the state of the current publishing marketplace. Thank you. I would encourage Brendan to promote said fiction in the Grateful Dead Library or Your Own Storefront topics...
April 20, 2011 - 10:10am

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The novelist scene has changed...

They'll publish anything and pay you if somebody buys it. Still, one wonders about :...Rose Dawn, an underage, pregnant radio clairvoyant prone to sneezing fits.
April 19, 2011 - 9:29pm

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Brendan McNally

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Friend of the Devil, a novel

Friend of the Devil is a novel about a reefer-smoking 1930s jazz musician, on the run from the law. He is on his way to Del Rio, a Texas border town rolling in dough, thanks to a quack doctor whose ‘goat-gland cure’ brings in well-heeled suckers by the trainload. And just across the river, the Doc’s got a million-watt “border blaster” that he uses to advertise himself along with yodelers, pitchmen, preachers, mystics, and singing cowboys. There, Herbert figures, he can hide out in plain view. But then Herbert does a favor for a stranger in a jam who turns out to be the Devil himself. Now the Devil owes Herbert a favor, something Herbert, a fervent atheist, has absolutely no interest in collecting on. Next thing Herbert knows, he’s stuck in the middle of a convoluted wager between the Devil and God, both of whom seem to take his refusal to acknowledge their existence personally. Herbert vows revenge. Luckily he finds an ally in Rose Dawn, an underage, pregnant radio clairvoyant prone to sneezing fits.
April 16, 2011 - 5:42pm

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drc32-0

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thanks marye

I've followed this thread from the beginning and I have really admired your even-handed moderating.As we all know,this is a topic that can really get out of hand,but you have been able to help keep it civil while still giving everyone a chance to speak their thoughts. Only a group of deadheads could have a 65 page thread on religious beliefs and only have a few posts that requires the moderator to step in.It makes me proud to be a deadhead. Thanks

In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.

Anyone else find it interesting?

Watching as the POTUS mimics "W" with this whole "war on terror" thiing...

???

What is POTUS please??********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde

POTUS

President Of The United States And the road goes on forever.... BobbaLee

OH

DUH! Silly me! thanks BobbaLee********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde

Thanks

I found this entire thread interesting, entertaining, and inspirational. My own spiritual beliefs have changed over time. I used to belive that heaven and hell were places beyond the earth that we would all arrive at sometime after we passed on depending on how we lived our lives. I have come to believe that the ideas of heaven and hell are metaphors for what we feel or become as a result of our actions while we live here on earth together. Entheogens gave me a new perspective; I felt a palpable "kinship" to everything around me. My mind told me that I was connected to everything else because I and most everything around me was composed of mostly carbon and water, that all of the atoms I was made of came from something or someone before me, that all I was made of would pass on to someone or something else eventually, atomic soup. My first mind-blowing ego-busting experience with entheogens carried me into another realm of awareness which I can't put into words, though I try. I believe that beyond the physical being, somewhere between dreams and hope, there is a pure light inside of all of us. I miss the joyful glorious Grateful Dead Shows! Thanks to all those who have shared their experiences and beliefs. -sludj

re: above, I too am "Fixing A Hole"

Artist: The Beatles Lyrics to Fixing A Hole: I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in And stops my mind from wandering Where it will go I'm filling the cracks that ran through the door And kept my mind from wandering Where it will go And it really doesn't matter if I'm wrong I'm right Where I belong I'm right Where I belong See the people standing there who disagre and never win And wonder why they don't get in my door I'm painting my room in a colourful way And when my mind is wandering There I will go And it really doesn't matter if I'm wrong I'm right Where I belong I'm right Where I belong Silly people run around, they worry me And never ask me why they don't get past my door I'm taking the time for a number of things That weren't important yesterday And I still go Fixing a hole where the rain gets in Stops my mind from wandering Where it will go **************************************** And after fixing this whole, nothing lies in between! I'm taking the time for a number of things...

It' a beautiful day

I don't know how many millions Harold Camping spent on billboards advertising today as "judgement" day but I know it would have been much better if he had just donated the money to soup kitchens. See you tomorrow.

Actually, it would not have been "judgement day"

just the occurrence of the "Rapture". Actual judgement day comes later, after the Apocalypse....of course, nothing has happened yet, and only He knows when it will, but yeah, dude shoulda made better use of his money..

Amen. brother Johnman!

From a Christian perspective Jesus said that no one, not even him, knows the time except God the Father. That's why I don't get Christians who predict the end of the world! Whatever you believe you should be spending your time loving yourself and your fellow human beings "as yourself". That way it doesn't really matter! I plan to be checking back in tomorrow!

Only The Terminator can declare Judgement Day

And Ahnult is rather busy right now with his five kids, nanny & Maria Ave, Ave, Ave Mariiiiia! Been chipping up rocks from dawn till doom While my rider hides my bible in the other room

Yeah, you go right ahead and worship Arnold...

I have other plans...

Sorry....I know it was just a joke...

and I just lost my temper. But I don't feel it's right to belittle anyone's spiritual or religious views.....this forum should be for honest discussion and sharing, so please excuse my response..

johnman's got a point Anna

groundrules pretty clear in this topic, please don't do this stuff here. Thanks. In current events, have at it, within reason.

Humor is the best medicine

Now I remember why I don't go to church. Equate religiosity with being grim if you want. Banning others from doing so is just fascist and adds to your own ego. Been chipping up rocks from dawn till doom While my rider hides my clown mask in the other room

Humor is one thing

I love a good joke as well as the next person, but humor at the expense of other's beliefs just feels wrong to me. My apology came from the heart, I'm sorry you can't accept it in the spirit it was given, please excuse me.

:)

I can vouch for Johnman enjoying a GOOD joke! :) Here's a cooky.********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde

Thanx, pal..

I'm not a facist, and my ego is too small to bother feeding...and I AM sorry. Forgive me, please, Anna??

Anna

The point is that due to the difficulty of this thread topic, we have done a good job thus far (mostly) with keeping it interesting, civil, and kind. Perhaps Johnman was nerveous that if we start making cracks in here, all hell could break loose. This is really about the most delicate thread on this site. Crack all you want-but it would be wiser to do so in other threads :) As our mod marye said, the news and current events thread would be the better place for Arnold comments. The spiritual thing to do would be to accept Johnman's apology! :) ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde

To be clear, there are plenty of places on this site

to wave your ego around or stir the pot and call it humor, within reasonable and non-abusive limits. This topic is not it. Thank you.

now in current events

it would've been a pretty hysterical post. But context is everything. Hey, it doesn't belong in tape traders either.

words,words,words

What we need to do is to wrtite out what you're thinking, and then go explain what you meant by each and everyone of those words. Because even if you just want to keep the train rolling,and are doing it with a loving and egoless heart, or just trying to be funny, some people are just going to look for the worst in everything. If I thought about all the possible meanings people would come up with for everything I post before I posted it I'd never post anything. Forgive and forget,tomorrow's another day,

words...

I should have said, sometimes people are just..., instead of "some" people... happens when you have a lack of communication, I've done it too.

true enough

about the moving along and tomorrow being another day.

God Bless Everyone Here

No Exceptions!!!

Imagine no Relgion

Too bad Dead,net can't, don't ever remember religion being a big topic at Grateful Dead shows, thank God.,But if you ever want to divide people,great forum.

C'mon, maaaan

read the title piece.....we come in all beliefs, or none....and that's the point...believe it if you need it, if you don't jus' pass it on...makes perfect sense to me..........

exactly

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ah

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:)

am also curious. Find the idea of Jeans for Jesus to be absolutely bizarre!!!!!!!********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde

at least I am sure

that I can think of several jokes about this company's name. Jeans so tight you see God when you wear them? Also the spam is very poorly written-maybe while they were designing True Religion jeans they forgot their English? ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde

I have a feeling

that was not the idea, but I am not exactly hip to these fashion trends.

not

that one cannot be concurrently into fashion and Jesus, but it hardly seems respectful, as others have pointed out, to go around wearing one's preferred sacred symbol on one's butt.

Indeed, marye

guess I am not hip either, cuz never heard of this brand before today!********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde

hi everyone

Hello to johnman, tigetlilly, maryeI miss my extended GD family here. Peace and love is the answer no matter what the clothing of belief system they wear. Still Missing Jerry. Furthur coming to Missoula in Sept., got tickets. How rare for any form of the Dead to appear around here. But they are. Hope nobody throws a beer bottle at them, which is what happened the only time the Grateful Dead came to Missoula. Well those plastic cups don't make very good missles, so they should be safe If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake