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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #1861
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    BCT 1972 box?

    Would these shows make a better box than ones from the following four months though, if you had to choose one 72 run over the others? Maybe they would be just as good - I have it in mind that they re-started a bit hesitantly in July, gathered pace in August, then peaked in September and maintained this on through to the end of the year. I haven't checked this theory out listening to all the shows, though, just a sample.

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    I asked Lemieux about this years ago and he replied quickly that not all these reels are in the vault. ..but they do circulate in high quality. I'm not what to make of all this, clearly they were recorded and someone in modern times went through the trouble to clean them up and get them in circulation.

    Dave's Picks 24, 8/24/72 came compliments of ABCD Enterprises, so even though Bear recorded them the master reels must have somehow reside with Betty. Perhaps ABCD still has a little life to give and a deal can be extended to these source tapes? Maybe they are already in the vault or in a banana box on the top shelf somewhere? They are Bear recordings after all. I'd love a box of the remaining three shows. This is one that should be released all at once and not cobbled together as Dave's Picks.

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    My brother went to 8/24/72. It would have been nice if they would have released this whole run as a box set.

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    I listened to the official 8/25/72 last week and was really impressed - short by the standards of the day but powerful. I guess maybe they had lost a fair proportion of their set list with Pigpen, and hadn't quite figured how to fill the gap yet. So I went to the second set of 8/21 straight afterwards - great Dark Star with Keith leading at one point. Pity they couldn't have slipped this in with the relevant Dave's Picks.

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    The soul has illusions as the bird has wings……

    Hey, rockers!

    Pick Of The Day: Berkeley Community Theater, August 21, 1972

    I have realized that the past and future are real illusions, that they exist in the present, which is what there is and all there is……..

    The first night of this very solid four night run finds the band in fine form, playing well, with the usual 1972 gooey Dead goodness, rock and rollers and cowboy songs. The major deadness is the oh-so-interesting Dark Star. I don’t know scales from whales, but interested readers are referred to Henry Kaiser’s spot-on analysis in Deadbase X. The band channels its focally dissonant, focally atonal, A mixolydian selves to produce what might humbly be classified as magic.

    Not as famous as the 24th, and not officially released like the 25th, but a show without illusions, and mighty, mighty good for the soul……

    Therefore trust to thy heart, and to what the world calls illusions……

    Rock on,

    Doc
    Our experience is composed rather of illusions lost than of wisdom acquired…..

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    I was there, so was Spacebro.

    There is pro-shot video of that show.

    Dave,
    CD/Blu-ray combo please.

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    PT Spring 91, 9/9/82

    Ooo, 4/8 does look interesting!
    Looks like good Sunday show, so mañana, on the list!

    I know we hit 4/7 on your recommendation and was a solid show.
    We’ve hit some good ones here on POTD: someone picked 3/25, DV gave us 3/31, Bolo 2/19, and my fav from spring (so far) a fine outing from 4/1 via brother Conekid!

    If/when we do get a 91 outta Dave, I’m guessing 6/22/91 or 9/26/91 since there on his “list” that he’s been chipping away at fairly regularly over the years. Plus, when he goes to these “not Betty, 70s etc” he tends to pick a place with a high population and often shows with big crowd capacity: Giants, MSG, RFK, Boston Garden etc perhaps figuring even if the pick doesn’t fly off the shelf, there’s enough of a potential base that it’ll sell out?

    9/9/82: interesting show, sounded great except a couple of splices, and the speed may have been off, at least at first.
    It seemed a little fast, so perhaps recorded slow, but I don’t think that’s the whole story. I think their playing super fast and the tape just adds to it. Whatevs, their on a mission. Interesting set list, some occasional misses, like the transition back to Uncle Js, but it’s a cool idea and nice variety, and from there on out status quo but generally well played..
    perhaps not the best of the year, but another interesting solid outing from a year of the same!
    Really enjoy these early Strangers, and especially the West LA’s with the alternative lyrics, and hey, a Day Job for good measure.

    Ok, gonna hit a little 11/2/69 before the Other One gets home. Then hopefully some video tonight…
    ONWARD!

    EDIT: VERY GRATEFUL DAY yesterday!
    4/14/78
    9/9/82
    11/2/69
    David Bromberg: tge best of DB out of the blues
    Grover Washington jr: Mister Magic
    Wynton Marsalis: Standard Time Vol I
    6/14/91: Vault View II (video)
    8/18/89: m/o 2nd set on youstoob
    Thanks Conekid, hadn’t checked any of 8/18 out. Was really enjoying it!
    Funny cause I read your post, but thought 7/18, which is what I lamented about missing, so then at 11:30 or whenever I went there, of course I started watching 7/18 before finally remembering (had to go look lol) that you were digging on 8/18. I’m blaming it on age, not the Pioneer Gold lol. So I got a couple tunes from 7/18 too.

    8/21/72: meh, heard that a few times, maybe at work? Nice Dark Star!
    Ooorrr maybe I’ll hit the 22 as I’ve not heard that one?
    First I’m having my morning Joe with PT on 4/8/91!

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    I was at the three-night shows in Orlando April 7-9 Good times, a nice Ruben on the 7th one of the best later year Eyes on the 8th and a good TOO>Wharf Rat on the 9th.
    Bolo, she may not be impressed but I am. Great call.
    4-14-78 I have not heard this show, will have to check it out. I'm gonna stay in 91 for a while with 4-8-91, can't get enough of that second set. Usually when a show starts with Mississippi Half Step and ends with Johnny B Goode, it's a scorcher, and this one is. Then I will check out the 78.

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    I typed the right date but wrong venue, Dooaahh.
    4/12 is a goodin, and this one’s from the 14 is decent, comparatively. Meaning, after listening to most of this tour at least once, I still think 4/15 & 4/11 are up where mama hides the cookies!
    Now that should not imply the others are not up to par, just that imho the 15/11 are Tiger at 12 under comparatively.

    The 14 starts out rippin, then JG has a slight miscue. It’s sorta the same story throughout, good energy and overall tight playing, but with perhaps a more noticeable number of slight miscues etc?

    So though I have just a few more unreleased from this tour that I’ve not hit yet, I think Dave got this one right! Meaning #37.
    Since I sometimes question if he went to the right city/street but wrong house, let’s give credit where credits due!
    I haven’t heard a bad show on this tour yet, which is good because with all those particularly sweet Bettie’s that are complete and in the vault, ya know we’re getting a spring 78 box at some point.
    But I think ole Dave hit an in the park homer with 37!
    37 was perhaps the biggest surprise he’s given me. I was not really familiar with spring 78 when this one landed, but man what an awesome surprise! 43 wasn’t really a surprise, I mean ya knew if he went to 69, chances were high it was going to be fine! But early 78, yawn, what, no, wait, what, wait a minute, yowsa!

    So, yep, nice to change it up a bit, but apologies to Jim. Didn’t mean to pile it on, and hopefully won’t disrupt your 91 dive, as that year has been another pleasant surprise. I’m just trying to stock up on show fixes while I can to make up for the days I’m unable lately, like a squirrel with a jowl full of nuts.
    So Besides several of the summer tour, so far I’ve checked out everything from 8/16 through 11/3, and man I tell ya dars gold in dem dere hills! Spring 91 is still a vast wilderness for me as it’s one of two tours I didn’t see any shows between 84 and 92, and though I’ve heard a few good ones here on POTD, that’s another hill that needs to be mined.

    Was thinking maybe sparking up some 91 video tonight. Can’t decide if I should go with the ridiculous sounding 6/17, or 6/14? Tough choice!
    Conkid I’ll try and catch a little 8/19/89 for extra credit since you say there’s video. Still frosts my ass I had to bail and missed the last night, but, the situation is the boss…

    So, the question is, what now?
    Hmmmm, maybe some 11??, perhaps later as I may get a DHB in…
    Perhaps back to 82 and 9/9/82 from Nola?
    NEXT!

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    I love this show. So much fun to watch the student filmed video and the playing is awesome. A diced and sliced VHS came my way shortly after Jerry passed away. The vibe of complete joy Jerry radiates during Eyes is so very cool. Drums is a hoot and the Truckin simply shreds and damn it Phil is singing!! Been hoping for this show to be released for awhile.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 06:56

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Cool! This is a pick that I have not spun since its release. I am not a huge fan of 78 in general (though the July Box is great,) but I remember thinking that this one was better than I was expecting. Anyway, I am looking forward to diving in and giving it some fresh ears! If I recall, I preferred the 1st set to the 2nd on this one, but I'll reassess today.

BOLO - I threw my (most likely erroneous) hat in the ring and sent you a PM.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 07:03

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I've never heard that before! That made a really nice warm-up for the day, making coffee, and watching the sun come out listen! Thank you! I especially loved the "Gomorrah" - what a gorgeous tune and what a great version!

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GRATEFULGAL7277 - Thanks for suggesting Jerry's only solo acoustic show! I plan to give that a spin today for sure.

Bootleg notes.. A lone voice in the crowd shouts out "Maestro" and that about sums it up!

Supposedly Jerry was terrified and never did it again, the show fills a nice gap in a hot Spring '82 GD tour.. Bob & Jerry would play Letterman together 3 nights later. Love this stuff!

I'm with OTIS - '78 can run pretty hot or cold and the set lists tend to be a bit pedestrian, I don't think I gave this release a lot of attention, it probably got a listen and then I moved on to the next thing.

But from the sounds of the Opening Bertha > Good Lovin' through.. I'm up to Tennessee Jed, this sounds like a hot one! I think most of April is real good?!?

It's gonna be a good day to listen to the Dead!

PS - BOLO24 did you get my guess?
I tried to send a PM with my Fixable Foot Show Guess, being new at this participation thing and all, message system is kinda hooky... Can't tell if it got sent to you or not?

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 07:58

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Bertha> Good Love rocks, Candyman LLR was nice, rest of set 1 was just okay,

Lazy Supp. nice jam, Estimated>Eyes was nice, Drums into NFA love that, Wharf Rat Sugar Mag
OMSN blow out.

Nashville is a fine choice for a revisit, anniversary no less! Cool cover art also, psychedelic river boat and Wharf Rat. Anybody looking for an excellent paddlewheel side trip should take a listen to the album Mark Twang by the late great John Hartford. Gratefulgal - def will check out the solo Jerry show. I saw tail end of a Garcia & Kahn show a couple months later at Auditorium Theater in Chicago. Rowdy happy crowd. End of show, people yelling for Jerry to play Ripple. Then someone yells out loud and clear -"Play what you want!" Jerry looks up, says "Thank you!" and then plays Ripple! As to "Fixable Foot" - i got nothing Bolo.

I'm glad you enjoyed. I love the Gomorrah as well! I think the announcer saying "This is a rare musical experience" is very true for this show. Going Going Gone is also hauntingly beautiful.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 08:37

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....i provided two guesses. Both wrong. I have no idea.
Working today, so unable to listen to the physical Nashville, so firing up a Miller SB of the Archive.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 08:43

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Rare Musical Experience indeed!

I think that's John Scher (promoter) doin' that introduction.

There's a couple of videos of Rubin & Cherise (Spelling seems to be subjective) & Ripple floating around on the interwebs.. They'll definitely bring a smile to your face.

Jerry!

I wonder if the whole set / both sets video is out there somewhere?

I'm diggin' this! Thanks for the tip..

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 09:04

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I sent a reply to your PM - I hope that it went through this time. I don't know what happened to the first one.

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Submitted by gr8fulgal77 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 09:05

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Thank you so much! So cool to see Jerry playing! That song is one of my favs from that set so that was a real treat!

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Submitted by gr8fulgal77 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 09:06

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I sent my answer in last night! I can't wait to see what show it is, such an interesting hint!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 09:13

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Synchronicity

Thanks for the mention > triggered some research > stumbled on video > had to share.

Love that song too, and haven't heard this show in years and years.. so good!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 09:25

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Yay Work! The economy needs you.

Let us know what you listen too.. maybe we'll join you.

Not working & shit, but in spirit you know?

BTW Miller has been dropping some nice Don Pearson Cassette Master Upgrades lately... there's some freshies out there! Especially if you like 1989, 90 & 91... 9/26/91 comes to mind.. I know that run gets pretty panned by history and in McNally's book, but I dug that show the other day... for '91 sounded pretty sweet.

Best wishes.

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Submitted by pkb on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:24

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I sent my guess to your inbox. This is my first time sending a message, so I hope I did it correctly.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:47

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Me too, Looks like PM aren't working.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:54

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Rocking Bertha>Good Lovin! Very nice Candyman (what a great song! This version is stellar.) Donna sounding great on LLR. Tenn Jed - why so sllllooooowwww? It is such a great tune, but at this pace, it is a bit of a bore. Jack Straw is pretty standard, Peggy-O is always welcome, and this one is pretty good- Jerry's singing is solid. Minglewood is high-energy, rock-star Weir, and Deal closes things out nicely. Overall, I enjoyed it... It does get dragged down in the middle of the set with Tenn Jed serving as the the third "slow" tune in a row, then followed by an average Jack Straw and another slow tune Peggy-O. Miglewood and Deal bring the energy back up, but neither are "must-hear" versions, IMO. Overall, a solid 7/10.

"That's it, we quit." Sounded like Bob was actually kinda pissed!

Now onto Set II...

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:58

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I received a PM from Bolo saying that he did not get my original, so it looks like PMs are working (at least in some capacity.)

I replied to his PM, but have yet to hear anything. I think my problem was that the site didn't recognize that I had sent the message to Bolo. The original is in my Messages folder, but I am the only recipient. I know that I typed his username into the "To:" portion, but for some reason, it didn't register.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 10:59

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In honor of our newest release, do to ship in a week may I suggest
a trip to June '74 with Dick's Picks Vol 12. 6/26 - 6/28 1974.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 11:04

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PM Resent, this one includes you on the thread.. so I think it worked.

LMK and Thanks!
Best,
The GOGD

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 11:06

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I like the idea of some '74 pre-partying.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 11:14

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Have now received the missing messages.

No winner yet, although That's Otis was on the right track - he just needed to try a "little bit harder, just a little bit more, a little bit further than he gone before."

EDIT: No, "The Wheel" isn't in the setlist.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 11:28

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Thanks Bolo24!

Dang it.. I knew my attempt was weak 😬 🌹⚡️🌈

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 13:20

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Garcia's solos on virtually every song of that JGB 91 release were immaculate. Whether slow, fast, bluesy or funky, each song was performed darn near flawlessly. Melvin and David were beasts on their respective instruments, with the ladies adding beauty to the vocal palette. A great latter-day release!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 13:39

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Had not listened to this show in a long time. Also on my iPod . Lazy Lightning - Supplication was exciting.
Happy Earth Day 50 today. Was at Central Park bandshell for first Earth Day celebration 50 years ago when I 16. Saw the Jefferson Airplane play a free concert a few weeks later at the same venue.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 13:48

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Hiya Bolo! Sent another PM your way... (fingers crossed!)

Set II for today's listen has been delayed (how is it that I seemingly have more work when I am not at work?!?) Anyway, about to walk the pups and start dinner. Set II will have to be my cooking jams for the night :)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 14:04

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Dave's Picks #15. One more Saturday night in Nashville. Damn right! Like Otis and Strider, I don't listen to this one often, but I should. I usually pull 4/24/78, Dave's #7.
But this wonderful exercise is forcing me to listen to these shows again in full.

Nice first set, yes Otis, that New Minglewood blues really rocks. Bob definitely kicked it up a notch on this one.
I have to say I really like Deal, however, this version and other 78 versions with Donna's high pitch squeal of Deal, just makes me want to turn it off. Sounds like yodeling.
Second set is sweet, great start and I like the Estimated, but Jerry kind of wanders a bit in these 78 versions. Really good Eyes, love the Wharf Rat and great finish with Sugar Magnolia and One More Saturday Night.

These picks have been fun for me people. Thanks!

I think Conekid maybe had some suggestions for next picks? I have a few more as well, but I will wait until others get some more in.

Oh, one more thing, I believe we will be getting another early April 78 release soon.

Be well folks!

Edit, sorry I didn't see Dicks #12. Rats, another one I don't have.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 14:43

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At this point, it's fairly apparent that the odds of someone solving this riddle based on the sole clue provided are pretty low. On a positive note, some of the guesses have been quite clever and somewhat entertaining!

So, below you'll find a further (furthur?) clue. A consolation prize will go to the first accurate guess. I'll save the better goodies for a future giveaway. Again, show your work, one guess per screen name.

Here it is:

2 word anagram, no leftover letters.

Good luck!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 15:49

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"guesses have been quite clever and somewhat entertaining!"

Bolo, I bet you pissed your pants when you saw my answer.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 16:05

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....holee shit Garcia! Tell us how you really feel!! As Jim Carrey said in The Mask, "Smokin!!"

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 16:48

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I'm still trying to figure out Liberace on a ostrich running in a garbage dump in Virginia from last year... I guess i need easier clues, like Alpine Valley is in this state!!! Just kidding... bob t

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 16:55

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Yeah Deadvikes, the pick I was holding on to is 8-13-75. I was looking for a reason to listen to the vinyl copy I have.
But we don’t have to listen to it this week.
Alternatively, maybe we need to throw in a more modern show at this stage of the game. Say, something with Bruce?
Maybe spiced up with some Branford in honor of his father being taken by Covid?
9-10-91 for tomorrow?

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 17:05

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....what was up with that clue last year involving Liberace??
EDIT. 9.10.91 for Thursday? Okee-dokey. I'm easy to please.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 17:52

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Milton the Toaster was a spokesman! Just kidding i have not even come close to guessing a riddle of yours.... be safe everyone... bob t

Well..... That narrows it down.

Narrows it down to what show?
I, for one, do not know.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 19:14

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I can think of at least six shows that fit this bill. The US Festival in 82.. a few Fillmore East shows, Sunsplash '82 and of course the Closing of Winterland just to name a few. None of them contain fixable feet anagrams though.

I think all the clues are carefully documented if you take a magnifying glass and do a deep dive on Blotter Art. That's all I've got. Be safe all.

http://www.key-z.com/special.html

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 04/22/2020 - 22:18

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So, as the whole family is extremely fortunate and working from home and going to school, my 11 year had a very asoute observation. I have been working in our basement and playing a ton of GD. I don't do the headphones due to fear of hearing issues (yes, might be old lame reasoning). "Your music is so loud and annoying." Of course I said, "No it is not and if it was why do you always dance every time you hear it and sing along?"

"I don't like it, it is just stuck in my head."

For AJS and Carlo, Jerry! Jerry Garcia!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 04:17

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Grateful Dead music is highly infectious before you no it you can have symptoms like singing out loud dancing around collecting massive amounts of live shows.

ps. 6/28/74 To Lay Me Down last Jam almost blew my walls out.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 07:41

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About to fire it up.

Deadvikes, don’t let those kids push you around.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 07:55

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https://archive.org/details/gd1991-09-10.mtx.amdig.gems.98132.flac16/gd…
....just started. At work again today, so i will be pausing it here and there, but I'll make in though.
On a side note, the mayor of Las Vegas embarrassed the shit out of herself and our city during an interview on CNN yesterday. Holy cow. I just put both my hands in my head and shook it. Technically, i live in Henderson, so she's not MY mayor. Lol.
Avatar changed accordingly for todays listen.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 08:40

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Hey there!

I've enjoyed reading the back and forth and tripping through these live Dead picks. It's like a smorgasbord:)

Follow Up on Yesterdays listening & comments:
4/22/78 - I agree with everything you all been laying down in regards to that pick and don't have anything better to add, nice work! It was fun to dust it off.. I think it might get dusty again.

4/10/82 - Jerry Acoustic, man is that a treat! Both sets, so intimate and special, flawed and personal. Kinda like the maestro himself a multi-faceted jewel.

I took a detour along the route to today and I'd highly recommend it -
4/22/77 - What a killer show!

After tripping through June '76 box set & DiP V20 - 9/25 & 9/28/76 followed by DaP V15 - 4/22/78 this show lands right in the middle and gives them a run for their money.

The 1st show of the legendary Spring Tour, an AMAZING 20 minute PITB to close Set 1, The 2nd ever FOTM, 1st ever Mojo. It's definitely worth the trip. And... it's so cool to hear the difference between 1976 & 1978. Ever changing ever evolving. It's the same band, but it's not. Check out the solo in IMHBTR (playing right now), wow Good Stuff! The launching point for some of their most legendary shows that will follow in the next coming weeks. This show feels like it's a bit off the radar, can't remember really settling into it before, probably collected in a fever to get everything and.... well check it out!

Alright, sounds like today is packed with more good listening suggestions -
1991-09-10 - 30 Trips
1974-06-26 & 1974-06-28 - DiP V12

I've got my work cut out for me, but I'm hip to the challenge.

Be Well you all and keep the good times rolling!