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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #1441
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    Yes.. absolutely. I guess this gets lumped into eras.

    I have my favorites.. but the fact that for most of their 30 years they kept evolving, changing things up and experimenting is perhaps understated. They cannot be accused of being one hit wonders.

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    Maybe just me but I dug the second night much more than the previous. Sweet Scarlet/King Solomon’s, one of my favorite tunes! All around good set list and they seemed more settled in. Dug Jason Crosby on keys as I’d never heard him before. Love Holly but it was a cool change up.

    Sorry Dennis, another foot of snow and errands so just getting to the mine.

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    Change in sound change in life

    Change of personnel was also a factor in the change of the bands sound. Mickey joining in late 67 meant that the sound of 1968 started a few months early. And so on and so forth as people emerged, disappeared..and in Mickey's case came back again. I can't honestly remember now what they sound like, but I would think Keith's last few shows in early 1979 were more like 1978 shows than what are normally thought of as 1979 shows when Brent came on board.

    It is a convenient device, though, splitting lives up into years. But it can be a bit artificial. People get born and die at different junctures - we meet and part at random times.

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    The great task in life is to find reality……

    Mornin’, rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Hallandale, Florida December 29, 1968

    Without art, the crudeness of reality would make the world unbearable…….

    High art? Low art? Grateful Dead art!!!

    The Dead played numerous festivals in the late 60s, this being one of the earliest big East coast ones. Due to the constraints of time and circumstance, the Dead’s “festival sets” from this era sometimes have a shortened, condensed feel. The “all wheat, no chafe” approach, which usually worked well and was well received…………

    Here, the band starts out greasy, then shifts into a big jam sequence that carries through to the end of the set. Things are truly focally shortened, but there’s some decent jamming to be had. Very good recordings of this set circulate, and while there are some edits and drop-outs, it is still worthy of your consideration…………..

    There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other……

    Rock on!!!

    Doc
    Few people have the imagination for reality…….

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    It's convenient to divide the GD by year for a couple of related reasons. They often took January and February off to write and record. While they were busy doing this, the alchemists and wizards were often testing out new equipment which was all rolled out and broken in on the Spring Tour each year.

    So it's convenient to break things out by year, but that's not what drove change, it was the new toys and new music. Wolf. Late '77 was the return of the Wolf, and it sounded magnificent.

    That's my take. We say years mainly because they retooled the first couple months most years, that is until the 80's and as they played larger arenas and demons settled in.. they practiced and recorded less and instrument changes were less frequent / less dramatic.

    Man I really liked the Wolf.

    Oh, and OB - Streaming last nights show as I write this, that is until I fall asleep (won't be long). Cumberland out of the gate was great.. I think the they could use a lead guitar with more thunder. They have two wide body clean guitars at work, they need to add a little Hendrix or wolf and turn it up. Twangy and clean tones, they need something that will part the red sea so they can get on with it. That's my take. Still enjoyable. Time will tell.

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    It often seems to me that 1977 shows from September onwards sound more like 1978 shows than they do 1977shows from earlier in the year. A bit more rocking - more rough and ready and less smooth. Jerry switched guitars in September 1977 to the Wolf, and that one seems to me to have a more overdriven sound than the guitar he used in 1976 and the first half of 1977. And this was the guitar he played on through 1978 too, I think.

    Maybe it's a bit arbitrary, splitting the bands music up into years. I would have thought they carried on regardless of what month or year it was. Thinking of it personally, I can't imagine I will feel any different, or do anything differently next week, just because we will be in a different year to the one we are in this week.

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    From over on the 44 thread. 11-5-77 DiP 34
    Where everyone else is doing anniversaries 12-28-79, 80, etc.
    of some memorable runs.
    His point well taken that this is damn good.
    And hopefully a telling warm-up for DaP45.
    It is just exactly damn good. The Big River smokes!
    Cheers
    Is it my imagination or does '77 seem to get better the closer it gets to '78?

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    Hope everyone is having a enjoyable holidaze!

    Not much Dead for me lately, but I usually take some time off this time of year.
    Didn’t do the 78 as that’s one of the other three Dicks I don’t have yet so I’ve purposely never heard it as I’m saving my virgin listen for Realgone at least to reissue “official” version.
    Down to 3: #13 I have copies, 10 I finally heard here on POTD recently, but the 78 I’m saving!

    Hopefully I’ll start easing back in next couple days…

    Watched Phil last night, sorta…dozed off and missed Cassidy and part of Eyes, and had net drops a lot, especially near the end so…hopefully tonight that will be better?
    Maybe it was just me but I didn’t think they were on last night?
    Not bad, certainly seeing Phil at this point is always cool and enjoyable, but I feel like it was not quite at the superb level of the Colorado shows I watched last year?
    Phil still brings it, but I actually noticed some misses etc that you don’t usually hear with Phil.
    Guessing their just a little rusty and he is getting up there so going off how my fingers are, imagine age might be finally factoring in? Hopefully tonight they’ll be more settled.
    Again, we’ll worth the hassles to see the big guy again.
    Remembering a sweet Mission encore and a Rock Steady, both firsts for me, so cool their still mixing things up!

    Go VIKS, hopefully they can outlast/outrun the damn Cowgirls.
    Philly who knows, they sure look good on paper…
    Bills have a tough road ahead with Bungals and Patsies again, while the Chefs play no one, again…funny how the Chefs and Bucs get such easy schedules when they both were in the playoffs?

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    Sometimes Spring '90 does hit the spot, the Nassau and Knickerbocker runs have some really good stuff going on. I took a deep dive into Deer Creek a couple weeks ago, call it a Spring encore. High productivity music when I am in the getting shit done mindset.

    I'm with you DVikes.

    Been hit or miss with me the last week or so, happy to be a follower from time to time. No complaints with the picks. Travelling, busy, you know.... I'm calling today a catch up day and hopefully tomorrow I can pencil in some time.

    I also just pulled out my credit card and purchased last night and tonight's Phil run at the Warfield. VGuy sent me the Cumberland. Holy shit.. it's cookin' Lot a poor man got those Cumberland Blues.....
    With Holly sitting in on keys.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 11:44

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This 91 show is a real gem! Thanks for posting the link VGUY, I don't have Boxilla, but this Matrix sounds sweet!

Wrapping up Set 1 now! That Cassidy got DEEP! High Time was another highlight, but this has been an overall excellent listen!

Set II of Nashville yesterday went about as I expected. I enjoyed the energy of the LL>Supp opener, I'm always a sucker for Must Have Been the Roses, and then I admit I got a little lost in the Estimated jam, which does seem to just meander around. The Eyes is speedy, which is not my favorite type, but it was ok, then Drums, which in 78 is almost always too long, NFA, Wharf Rat (late set highlight) Sugar Mags, OMSN - all fine versions, but not too exciting. I think I do like this pick slightly more than DaP7 - Normal, but I agree with GOGD, it was nice to dust this one off, but I think it'll get popped back on the shelf for a while.

Also, Good Ole - I am planning on checking out that 4/22/77 show - I just DL'd it and I think I will cue it up after DiP12, though I know that one so well I may just pop in for some highlights (of which there are MANY!)

Loving this new board! Good vibes all around!

Gotta go - they just opened set II with Help On the Way!

Peace

...er, a, I can’t keep up! The posts, the POTDs, pant, pant, this is becoming like a job....so I’ve had to miss a few. That’s ok, I didn’t need to hear some of those.
Did dig the JGB live, always a favorite. Top shelf all the way; Audio, tunes, and the band is definetly peak period.
DPs 12: yeah, haven’t heard this one much, prolly too much other competing new stuff to constantly chase? But I’ve always loved this one. I don’t necessarily mind some of the chopped picks when their sort of sequential and/or make sense flow wise. Don’t dig the “cut up” method.
9/10/91: this will be next fo shure, whenever that might be! I might be a couple a few Mississippi Halfsteps behind, but I’m with ya! Rock on folks!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 14:34

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... God, I love this song.
Engraved on my wedding ring - "I'd rather be with you."

Peace

EDIT: What an overall wonderful show! Great pick! What's on for tomorrow?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 15:50

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Yeah, I was bored.

I wanted to see how the audio spectrums reacted to Slipknot!

Thanks for watching!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 19:01

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Good show with B. M. Love the Shakedown opener, C.C Rider is good and that Dylan song was different. Help, Slip, Franklins was strong as well for that era. Definitely a change of pace. Thanks.

I think we owe FourWinds a pick?

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 20:17

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....I've done two. I don't wanna bogart the joint here.
I'm in PST. At eleven, if there isn't a pick, my hand will be forced.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 21:17

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The Pick will come.

By the way Bolo, what was the answer to your contest?

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 04/23/2020 - 23:07

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....looks fun!! No clue how fixable feet plays into it, but looks fun nonetheless!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 05:54

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Dave's Picks 3: 10/22/71 and filler from 10/21/71

Disc 3 from 10/21 only, Dark Star> Sitting> Dark Star and a St, Stephen> JBG

Thanks All

Maybe will here from Doc.

ps. Shake IT, Shake It, Sugaree!!!

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Submitted by Zomby Woof on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 06:13

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Bolo24, you didn't show your work!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 06:29

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Morning!

Alright, got some good stuff peaking out here today. Nice Work You All!

FOURWINDSBLOW picks 10/22/71 & 10/21 Filler - Gonna Jam That

Also Mentioned: 04/29/80 - The Famous “Fixable Foot” show! (Wink, wink, nod, nod BOLO & Haha @Zomby Wolf)

Recorded by none other than famous Taper Joani Walker.

I’ve got a lot of tapes with her name on it as the source, not just the shows she recorded, but lots of 1st Generation SBDs!

It’s an honor to spin one of her recordings this morning.

And if this Jack Straw is any example of where this show goes… hold on to your hat!! WOW!

You’ve done it again people, another good day to listen to the Dead:)

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 06:53

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Yea bolo..

Didn't show your work, …… No Prize For You!

Now that I see the show, the clues were so obvious. Fixable Foot. Fixable, seven letters, 4/29/80 was the seventh performance of 1980

01/13/80- Oakland Coliseum Arena - Oakland, CA
03/30/80- Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ
03/31/80- Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ
04/01/80- Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ
04/05/80- NBC Studios - New York City, NY
04/28/80- Boutwell Auditorium - Birmingham, AL
04/29/80- Fox Theater - Atlanta, GA

Foot. This involves a little history of the Fox Theatre. You see, when the theatre was built, the owners also purchased the “Mighty Mo”, the 3,622-pipe Möller organ or Foot Organ, "that remains the largest Möller theatre organ in the world even today. "

So simple.. of course, the fixable foot show. I can't believe we missed this. I am going out to amazon right now and ordering some of those processed from jellyfish memory enhancement pills. This sheltering in place stuff is making us all weak.

Have a good day all.

es·o·ter·ic
/ˌesəˈterik/ - adjective

1. intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest.

Wow... That's amazing.

BOLO24.. @JIMINMD should get some kind of consolation prize?

Reading that made my morning.

So impressed.. and this Fox 4/29/80 show is good!

I think Jerry partied on the set break though, he seems to have forgotten some of the words...
but he still knows how to play and PITB Jam is super Cool sounding!

Thanks @JIMINMD for showing me how it's done!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 08:51

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9/10 a elegant show played very loud,
6/28 a rockin' show played very loud.

hahaha

Listened to the first few songs last night. That MNS starts off clunky but then really picks up. From what I heard last night it sounds more like an 84 than an 83. Will finish the show today.

While listening last night I remembered that a few days earlier I realized that I have video of that show. It’s partial and includes a few songs from 9/4. It’s a VTS folder which is used for burning DVD-R’s, but the file can also be mounted on a computer desktop and viewed that way.
If anyone wants a copy let me know, I already uploaded it to Google Drive.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 09:36

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This was another show I had in mind. Is it okay if we do this instead or for tomorrow?

I think I remember this show was pretty good.

ps. Jeez check out Phil on Bird Song don't know if I ever heard it played like that.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 09:41

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Maybe I had to much too fast.

Here's an Updated list of what's come before through today 4/24/20 (I think):
1967-10-22 - Anthem 50th Bonus Material (2020-04-06)
1968-02-23 & 24 DiP V22 (2020-04-09)
1969-01-24, 25 & 26 - Aoxomoxoa 50th Bonus Material (2020-04-12)
1970-04-15 - 30 Trips (2020-04-15)
1971-10-21 & 22 - Dap 3 (2020-04-14)
1972-04-16 - Europe 72 Box (2020-04-16)
1972-04-17 - Europe 72 Box (2020-04-17)
1972-08-25 - Dap V24 - (SUGGESTED for 2020-04-25)
1972-11-15 & 17 - DaP V11 (2020-04-07)
1973-02-26 & 28 DiP V28 (2020-04-18)
1973-11-30 & 12-02 - DiP 14 (2020-04-13)
1976-09-25 & 09-28 - DiP 20 (2020-04-20)
1978-02-03, 04 & 05 - DiP V18 (2020-04-06)
1978-04-22 - DaP V15 (2020-04-22)
1979-12-26 & 28 - DiP V5 & RT 3.1 (2020-04-07)
1980-04-29 - Audience by Joani Walker (2020-04-24)
1980-11-30 - DaP V8 (2020-04-19)
1983-09-10 & 11 - SBDs (2020-04-08)
1989-07-12 - RFK Box (2020-04-15)
1990 - JGB Released 1991 (2020-04-21)
1991-09-10 - 30 Trips (2020-04-23)

The following shows were also Mentioned
1969-04-21
1973-02-09
1973-02-15
1973-09-08
1973-12-01
1974-06-26 & 28 - DiP V12
1977-04-21
1977-06-07
1979-09-01
1980-09-02
1980-10-10
1982-04-10 - Jerry
1983-04-16 & 04-17
1984-04-20 & 21
1985-11-01
1989-07-13
1989-09-12

I’m listening to 10/22/71 now, as I don’t think I jumped on this thread until around 4/15 ish.. yeah the Days & the Dead are starting to blend together… it's the supplies!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 09:46

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....Don't Ease as a second set opener is pretty fun!! Passenger kicked ass!
8.25.72 for Saturday sounds grate. It even features a OMSN!!! Just exactly perfecto!
GOGD....Daves 15 was 4.22.78 not 77.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 09:58

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Jim's answer is better - that took some work (and a slightly unhinged thought process - I like that!). I agree, he deserves a consolation prize, just for including the umlaut in Möller! Jim - send me your address and I'll shoot something your way.

OK, here's the original solution. The only two-word anagram for Fixable Foot that uses all the letters is Lifeboat Fox. A quick Google search would show that Oscar-nominated "Lifeboat" was the only film made for 20th Century Fox by Alfred Joseph Hitchcock. And, of course, Sir Hitchcock met his demise on April 29, 1980. But not at Atlanta's Fox Theater - he left in disgust after Jerry had that major brain fart during Terrapin Station!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 10:03

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That sounds good. Thanks.

4/29/80 Jack Straw!

Thanks for the list.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 10:11

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Bolo24 - Amazing & Funny in one post.. Nice Work!

VGuy72 - Gotta Love a Good Editor!! Thank you, Edit made.
My thoughts on Don't Ease & Passenger Exactly!
BTW Nice work keeping up on the Avatars, I'm enjoying that. Well Done

FOURWINDSBLOW - I think that Jack Straw is ultimately the best song played that night, SMOKER!
And Nice Pick... Anything '72 will do..
Lemieux sounded like '72 is essentially his favorite year, I mean I'm reading between the lines in his comments, but yeah.. that's what it sounded like.

And this 10/22/71 is sounding super GOOD, I love a '71 Black Peter, might be my favorite year for that song.. not sure about that.

This is fun you guys!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 10:11

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Sorry was not trying yo ignore you brother. Great pick!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 10:15

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No harm, no foul, no worries :) Dave's 3 is one of my favorite of the series!

I really tried to get Bolo's game, but after seeing the rationale, I was not on the same plane of reasoning. Would have never gone the Hitchcock direction. I did originally get Fox Theater though!

So, is Bolo's "Fixable Foot" show, 4/29/80, today's pick?

Peace

Edit: It looks like the answer to my question is "yes." Firing it up now! Happy Friday, DeadLand!

Ditto on FOURWINDSBLOWS post

I think you said it perfectly yesterday -

Loving this new board! Good vibes all around!

And I gave special attention to SOTM yesterday in your honor :)

....but you are savage sometimes with these contests. (Lifeboat is a great movie btw). 4.29.80 is the pick of the day. I missed the Dave's 3 pick, so that will be next so i can ketchup.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 10:35

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Dave gets paid to do this.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 10:46

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laguna seca 5.9.87. Touch of grey video shot that night. Dog took drummers leg/foot. Roadie put it back.
That was my first one.
Googled fixable foot. Brought me to club feet. A foot is 12 inches. Club Twelve. A non-profit. Which happens to reside in San Antonio, Texas. San Antonio Civic Auditorium. 11.12.71.
That was my second one. I, apparently, need to think outside the box (of rain) more often for these.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 10:51

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Mind Blown... Just Think!

Wow... I do it for free, I'd def do it for money.. but even BETTER!

@VGUY72, @OTIS @FOURWINDSBLOW, etc.. Dave's 3 is the SICK!

Early Comes A Time.. so good, extra verses, Jerry's reading of it, gots to be my favorite year for that song. So much good on this here release..

I'm glad this came on today cause it sounds just exactly perfect!

My 1st was 10/29/85 - Anagrams of Fox (Theater) and TOO - this show is at the Fox, has an Other One, and a Brokedown Palace (ref. something "fixable.") Also, the first set was cut short due to technical difficulties, another "fixable" problem.

Second guess was Lyceum 5/26/72 - It is the show that TOO was taken from to make-up the "Epilogue/Prelude" sections of the original E72 Lp, which prominently features a foot in need of fixing on the cover. I went this way after Bolo's comment that I needed to "go a little bit further" than I had before, so I went across the Atlantic.

Now I see that both guesses were woefully simple. Still, a fun game!

As to today's show - this raging Passenger is a perfect follow-up to that gorgeous Peggy-O! Another day, another great pick!

Peace

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 11:14

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Just wait til' you get to the "Dark Star>Sitting On Top of the World> Dark Star>Bobby McGee"! One of the best segments of any Dave's Pick so far, in my (very) humble opinion.

Glad you're digging on it! Forensic Doc's love of 71 inspired me to check it out more, and now it is one of my favorite years for the band.

Peace

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 11:34

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Can't wait, 10/22 Rocked!

Early Keith TIFTOO Kills.. It's unreal that he'd just joined the band.

Hitting up 10/21 after lunch, can't wait!

'71 is special
One of my first bootlegs was 4/29/71, I played it to death.
When I got back into collecting Dead after a long break, I got a hold of that Houseboat RT release and the China > Rider brought tears to my eyes as I realized what I'd been missing.

It's not my go to year cuz there's just so many other great years.. but it'll always be special to me!

What a Year, What a Show, What a Band!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 11:38

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....i think i speak for all of us that we would have all been a sweaty mess. Nice Playin' jam in that second set too. I give this show 7.2 goonie birds out of 10. (if you went to shows in '88-'89, you know what i mean).

I got a Goonie Bird at my first show in '86.. It was totally Goonie, I wasn't sure if what I was seeing was real or not.

I agree.. that Bertha is full on!

Man, seeing a show. Those were the days.

I think it's a young persons game, but I was young and dug it!

Hi-Five!

You beat me by 2 1/2 months, went to Riverbend 6/30/86 shortly after my 16th birthday:)

I remember going into the place it looked like an amusement park or something, again I was having trouble trusting what I was seeing, it was super hot and there was tie-dye everywhere and that goonie bird..

I can't remember a lot of things, but I've got some memories from that day that I always smile about.

There was a running dialogue all day I kept picking up on. It went something like:
Man it's Hot Out, You got your ticket?, It's Gonna Be a Good Show.. Man it's Hot Out, You Got your ticket? It's Gonna Be a Good Show..

I'd check my pockets every time. It's funny what you remember.

EDIT: Supplication Jam > Let It Grow!! You lucky Dog You!

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Submitted by unkle sam on Fri, 04/24/2020 - 12:22

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I was at this show, soundboard was taking up our reserved seats so they pulled out some nice padded chairs and put us right at the soundboard. I would have never guessed this was the pick. 2 word anagram, was that part of the clue? Missed that. What I remember (almost 40 years now) about this show was the Jack Straw opener, always loved a Jack Straw opener, got the crowd into it right off, the Passenger being really good, but I'm bias, I've always loved that tune. The second set with Don't ease as the opener, we all looked at each other and went "odd", the Lost Sailor>Saint being very nice. Of course the most remembered part was the awesomeness of the Fox Theatre itself, what a beautiful place and the planetarium ...wow, the sun went down the band came on, it got dark, the stars came out and we went to space and the band played on as the dawn approached, all inside that beautiful theatre. I do believe it is the nicest venue I have ever seen a band at, early 20th century decor, that carpet and those drapes, those bathrooms with the attendant, just so cool. Maybe not the best dead show, but I will never forget it. I've got the ticket stub around here somewhere, sparkles on the Grateful Dead lettering, if I find it, I'll post a pic of it.