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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    What are we listening to??

    I am not sure. Something off the beaten path perhaps..

    Somebody was blasting Staying Alive from a raft on the river Friday (decent, loud portable waterproof speakers are seemingly everywhere these days). Something as far away from that horror movie of a song as one can possibly get. I spent the last 30 years trying to get as musically far away from that sound as humanly possible. Yet.. once a year or so someone decides it's ok to play? argh.. :D

    Primal? Something with It's a Man's Man's World? 91 with Bruce or do we concede to disco GD style and pick something with a rippin' Shakedown?

    I actually don't care so long as it's not disco. Any show's anyone has been itching to hear?

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    Modified Wolf

    I think Jerry got the Modified Wolf back in Fall '77 so it's probably the inlayed Wolf you're hearing :)

    10/11/77 is killer, I might keep playing it. As I only gave it a cursory glance yesterday. Tempo on LIG is crazy time, they're hard charging.

    Also for any geeked out collectors like.. all of you.
    Dave L posted some uncirculated SBD portions of 4/29/77 on Taper's Section this AM.

    At least 2 tracks haven't circulated before from what I can tell.
    4/29/77 is a hot show and DL seems to be a fan.
    He's been playing bits and pieces on the Taper's Section for years now and I've been trying to gobble them up as soon as I find them and have done.
    3 Tracks are also on Digital Download Series Volume 1.

    I think that'll be getting a play today.

    What you all gonna listen too?

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    Relistened to 10/11/77

    I forget.. is Jerry playing the Travis Bean or the Wolf on these shows? I think the return of Wolf but I forget.

    Listened on two different systems. I am sonically dyslexic tonight.. I cannot determine if sounds too thin or just right and I need to wake up the family to truly enjoy it. My headphone listen did not help..

    I also think this release would benefit from a remaster, but it could be my ears and my equipment.

    I also stand behind my early to mid 80's comment. He is a man possessed at times.

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    10-11-77 Let It Grow

    yes, a favorite version - as you say "absolutely cooking" - a highlight from that release. Got me thinking that I didn't recall any from spring tour and sure enough they took a break from song from early Oct. '76 until Fall Tour '77. hadn't picked up on that gap before.

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    A great song.. I'm a big fan from all era's. I do like the intensity in Jerry's playing on some of the later versions. Mid 80's and 89/90 come to mind. I also like how the midi can work with that song when they tweak it just right.

    Anyway.. agree, great tune with or without the WRS intro.

    Edit, I would add if you judge the song simply on Jerry's playing this one's similar to Jack Straw. Up to a point, the more it got played the more ferocious and incendiary the guitar. In one of my early shows, forget which one it was the Let It Grow that I left me slack jawed and scratching my head when the dust settled after the first set. And about six months later I got either the same tape or one from the same tour and I just couldn't get enough of it for the next 8 to 12 months.

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    For me it's probably a toss up between the DP 33 Franklin's Tower and the Go To Nassau version, which was my first. Yeah, they're all good, but Jerry is particularly loud and animated on these two performances. Good suggestion on Day at the Green.

    Speaking of Help / Slip / Franklin's, today is the anniversary of the last one they played in the 70's (Road Trips '77). I think this one went out with more of a fizzle than a bang, at least as far as Slipknot! was concerned (there's not too far to go in 4 minutes - possibly an all time short after '75) . I think the Franklin's Tower is decent, and actually has a great jam /solo toward the end, but there were a lot of steamrollers prior to 10/11, so it had those to live up to by comparison. They didn't play the triad much at all compared to Scarlet Fire (almost double) or Estimated-Eyes (I didn't count this pairing but I'm pretty sure it received a lot more play). This is odd to me, but they did a lot of odd things with their song rotations. But there you have it - this is the day. I was lucky enough to catch them play Help /Slip / Franklin's for the last time with Jerry up in Albany, June 22, 1995. Funny thing about that show is I had no idea Jerry was in poor health and I though it was great. The video doesn't confirm this, but it just goes to show you how much different it is being there.

    Speaking of 10/11/77 - the Let it Grow absolutely cooks - top 3 post-hiatus versions for me. Go figure.

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    Lao Tsu said..

    When nothing is done, nothing is left undone.

    Suits my personality to a tee!

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    Glad I’m not the only one!

    Jim, sounds like we use similar methodology: I really don’t feel like doing this, but I have too, and I don’t have much time, so let’s mess things up rushing, so now it can take three times as long as going slow and doing it right once, lol
    You should see my Swiss cheesed basement. Had to move my surround wires, thought, meh, 2 three holes with the 6” hole saw, pop em back in and mud em, no problem....cue the Gilligan island song!

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    Ooops.. I forgot

    I forgot we did Day on the Green already. Just rolling with the flow. I am behind anyway.. pesky work and bad cuts for my exterior trim means I have to both do my day job a little and redo some work I did earlier in the week. Redoing always longer than just doing things right in the first place. Argh.. I knew better and in the interest of expediency, I am taking a project that was time consuming enough to begin with and quadrupling the time it will ultimately end up taking.

    But at least I have good music to listen to when I unwind tonight.

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    Not sure I’m familiar with 10/9/82, 10/10 has always been a favorite. A top LL Rain fo sho...

    DP 33, just did this, but it’s new for me so I’ll try in sneak er in...

    HAMPTON 89: still reeling from last night. After doing 10/8 again during the day as I continue to make a big mess of my basement theater room lol. Did 10/9 at night, proper, including a little chocolate for the first time since this darkness. Too nervous too get that loose I guess? Haven’t felt comfortable freaking freely...Man it’s funny how fast your tolerance can go away lol. Same with beer as I didn’t partake of any alcohol for 8 weeks. Had 2 last Friday and felt like five! It’s starting to come back again, like riding a bike lol, but I’m going to try and keep it on low. Shit is just getting too hard on the worn out organs etc. Anyway, got in a real nice warm groove and listened on the big boy system, smooothh indeed!
    Forgot how great these shows are, though I can understand how some folks see em similar to Cornell regarding the hype. Meaning their great shows but if you weren’t there or didn’t know anything about them you might not be quite as enthusiastic? Sorry, not coming out right? But I totally don’t understand how so many are nonplussed by these shows? I do feel that similarly to say 3/27/88 or 10/14/83, the recording doesn’t quite do the show justice...if I hadn’t been there I’m sure I wouldn’t feel that way, but it just seems a little compressed? Doesn't breath enough?
    Though I wasn’t at Jersey, I still think maybe 10/16 is overall at least the best show released so far, if not the best of the tour? That of course is subjective/debatable, but I listened to the 10/16 Dark Star immediately after Hampton and I think it sounds better audio wise at least. Definitely think I like the Hampton Dark Star better, including the 10/26 which I went to following 10/16. The first two are technically better, and Jer flubs the second verse a bit on 10/26, but man that last 10 minutes of weirdness that follows is awesome! So much psychedelic gooey madness on this tour. It amazes me how this tour kinda goes under the radar? Summer 89 and spring 90 get all the love, but I’ll take fall 89 anytime. Summer is obviously great as evidenced by all the releases, and Weir has always spoke highly of it. And Spring 90 needs no props, but it’s almost too clean, too perfect if you will. The pinnacle of the rise, while fall their still reaching for it. Fall 89 has an element of danger, especially with the midi and effects. It’s not so new that their still figuring it out, but it’s still new enough that their going for it, experimenting, and learning to normalize it like any other technology in their arsenal. I think Gollum or someone kinda touched on this. It’s such a good tour, I’m really looking forward to getting to know all the shows.

    GENNY CREAM ALE: too funny! Genessee was the main stream working mans swill, our fathers generation, we wouldn't touch that shit. (We were hardcore PBR fans)and the Cream Ale was worse, everyone in WNY wouldn’t go there for fear of the dreaded GENNY Screamers lol. For decades it was at the stadium, concerts, they had all the big contracts. Kinda like how New Belgium is here now. Now GCA is micro brew at micro brew prices! Supposedly they’ve made some significant changes. In fact my cousin was at the Brew Pub back in Chrotchfester a few years back and they said it was awesome. Great place and many of the beers were excellent. Not sure he tried the Screamers though?
    So DHBrewer, curious how you liked it?

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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This 91 show is a real gem! Thanks for posting the link VGUY, I don't have Boxilla, but this Matrix sounds sweet!

Wrapping up Set 1 now! That Cassidy got DEEP! High Time was another highlight, but this has been an overall excellent listen!

Set II of Nashville yesterday went about as I expected. I enjoyed the energy of the LL>Supp opener, I'm always a sucker for Must Have Been the Roses, and then I admit I got a little lost in the Estimated jam, which does seem to just meander around. The Eyes is speedy, which is not my favorite type, but it was ok, then Drums, which in 78 is almost always too long, NFA, Wharf Rat (late set highlight) Sugar Mags, OMSN - all fine versions, but not too exciting. I think I do like this pick slightly more than DaP7 - Normal, but I agree with GOGD, it was nice to dust this one off, but I think it'll get popped back on the shelf for a while.

Also, Good Ole - I am planning on checking out that 4/22/77 show - I just DL'd it and I think I will cue it up after DiP12, though I know that one so well I may just pop in for some highlights (of which there are MANY!)

Loving this new board! Good vibes all around!

Gotta go - they just opened set II with Help On the Way!

Peace

...er, a, I can’t keep up! The posts, the POTDs, pant, pant, this is becoming like a job....so I’ve had to miss a few. That’s ok, I didn’t need to hear some of those.
Did dig the JGB live, always a favorite. Top shelf all the way; Audio, tunes, and the band is definetly peak period.
DPs 12: yeah, haven’t heard this one much, prolly too much other competing new stuff to constantly chase? But I’ve always loved this one. I don’t necessarily mind some of the chopped picks when their sort of sequential and/or make sense flow wise. Don’t dig the “cut up” method.
9/10/91: this will be next fo shure, whenever that might be! I might be a couple a few Mississippi Halfsteps behind, but I’m with ya! Rock on folks!

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... God, I love this song.
Engraved on my wedding ring - "I'd rather be with you."

Peace

EDIT: What an overall wonderful show! Great pick! What's on for tomorrow?

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Yeah, I was bored.

I wanted to see how the audio spectrums reacted to Slipknot!

Thanks for watching!

Good show with B. M. Love the Shakedown opener, C.C Rider is good and that Dylan song was different. Help, Slip, Franklins was strong as well for that era. Definitely a change of pace. Thanks.

I think we owe FourWinds a pick?

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....I've done two. I don't wanna bogart the joint here.
I'm in PST. At eleven, if there isn't a pick, my hand will be forced.

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....looks fun!! No clue how fixable feet plays into it, but looks fun nonetheless!

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Dave's Picks 3: 10/22/71 and filler from 10/21/71

Disc 3 from 10/21 only, Dark Star> Sitting> Dark Star and a St, Stephen> JBG

Thanks All

Maybe will here from Doc.

ps. Shake IT, Shake It, Sugaree!!!

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Bolo24, you didn't show your work!

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Morning!

Alright, got some good stuff peaking out here today. Nice Work You All!

FOURWINDSBLOW picks 10/22/71 & 10/21 Filler - Gonna Jam That

Also Mentioned: 04/29/80 - The Famous “Fixable Foot” show! (Wink, wink, nod, nod BOLO & Haha @Zomby Wolf)

Recorded by none other than famous Taper Joani Walker.

I’ve got a lot of tapes with her name on it as the source, not just the shows she recorded, but lots of 1st Generation SBDs!

It’s an honor to spin one of her recordings this morning.

And if this Jack Straw is any example of where this show goes… hold on to your hat!! WOW!

You’ve done it again people, another good day to listen to the Dead:)

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Yea bolo..

Didn't show your work, …… No Prize For You!

Now that I see the show, the clues were so obvious. Fixable Foot. Fixable, seven letters, 4/29/80 was the seventh performance of 1980

01/13/80- Oakland Coliseum Arena - Oakland, CA
03/30/80- Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ
03/31/80- Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ
04/01/80- Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ
04/05/80- NBC Studios - New York City, NY
04/28/80- Boutwell Auditorium - Birmingham, AL
04/29/80- Fox Theater - Atlanta, GA

Foot. This involves a little history of the Fox Theatre. You see, when the theatre was built, the owners also purchased the “Mighty Mo”, the 3,622-pipe Möller organ or Foot Organ, "that remains the largest Möller theatre organ in the world even today. "

So simple.. of course, the fixable foot show. I can't believe we missed this. I am going out to amazon right now and ordering some of those processed from jellyfish memory enhancement pills. This sheltering in place stuff is making us all weak.

Have a good day all.

es·o·ter·ic
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1. intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest.

Wow... That's amazing.

BOLO24.. @JIMINMD should get some kind of consolation prize?

Reading that made my morning.

So impressed.. and this Fox 4/29/80 show is good!

I think Jerry partied on the set break though, he seems to have forgotten some of the words...
but he still knows how to play and PITB Jam is super Cool sounding!

Thanks @JIMINMD for showing me how it's done!

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9/10 a elegant show played very loud,
6/28 a rockin' show played very loud.

hahaha

Listened to the first few songs last night. That MNS starts off clunky but then really picks up. From what I heard last night it sounds more like an 84 than an 83. Will finish the show today.

While listening last night I remembered that a few days earlier I realized that I have video of that show. It’s partial and includes a few songs from 9/4. It’s a VTS folder which is used for burning DVD-R’s, but the file can also be mounted on a computer desktop and viewed that way.
If anyone wants a copy let me know, I already uploaded it to Google Drive.

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This was another show I had in mind. Is it okay if we do this instead or for tomorrow?

I think I remember this show was pretty good.

ps. Jeez check out Phil on Bird Song don't know if I ever heard it played like that.

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Maybe I had to much too fast.

Here's an Updated list of what's come before through today 4/24/20 (I think):
1967-10-22 - Anthem 50th Bonus Material (2020-04-06)
1968-02-23 & 24 DiP V22 (2020-04-09)
1969-01-24, 25 & 26 - Aoxomoxoa 50th Bonus Material (2020-04-12)
1970-04-15 - 30 Trips (2020-04-15)
1971-10-21 & 22 - Dap 3 (2020-04-14)
1972-04-16 - Europe 72 Box (2020-04-16)
1972-04-17 - Europe 72 Box (2020-04-17)
1972-08-25 - Dap V24 - (SUGGESTED for 2020-04-25)
1972-11-15 & 17 - DaP V11 (2020-04-07)
1973-02-26 & 28 DiP V28 (2020-04-18)
1973-11-30 & 12-02 - DiP 14 (2020-04-13)
1976-09-25 & 09-28 - DiP 20 (2020-04-20)
1978-02-03, 04 & 05 - DiP V18 (2020-04-06)
1978-04-22 - DaP V15 (2020-04-22)
1979-12-26 & 28 - DiP V5 & RT 3.1 (2020-04-07)
1980-04-29 - Audience by Joani Walker (2020-04-24)
1980-11-30 - DaP V8 (2020-04-19)
1983-09-10 & 11 - SBDs (2020-04-08)
1989-07-12 - RFK Box (2020-04-15)
1990 - JGB Released 1991 (2020-04-21)
1991-09-10 - 30 Trips (2020-04-23)

The following shows were also Mentioned
1969-04-21
1973-02-09
1973-02-15
1973-09-08
1973-12-01
1974-06-26 & 28 - DiP V12
1977-04-21
1977-06-07
1979-09-01
1980-09-02
1980-10-10
1982-04-10 - Jerry
1983-04-16 & 04-17
1984-04-20 & 21
1985-11-01
1989-07-13
1989-09-12

I’m listening to 10/22/71 now, as I don’t think I jumped on this thread until around 4/15 ish.. yeah the Days & the Dead are starting to blend together… it's the supplies!

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....Don't Ease as a second set opener is pretty fun!! Passenger kicked ass!
8.25.72 for Saturday sounds grate. It even features a OMSN!!! Just exactly perfecto!
GOGD....Daves 15 was 4.22.78 not 77.

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Jim's answer is better - that took some work (and a slightly unhinged thought process - I like that!). I agree, he deserves a consolation prize, just for including the umlaut in Möller! Jim - send me your address and I'll shoot something your way.

OK, here's the original solution. The only two-word anagram for Fixable Foot that uses all the letters is Lifeboat Fox. A quick Google search would show that Oscar-nominated "Lifeboat" was the only film made for 20th Century Fox by Alfred Joseph Hitchcock. And, of course, Sir Hitchcock met his demise on April 29, 1980. But not at Atlanta's Fox Theater - he left in disgust after Jerry had that major brain fart during Terrapin Station!

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That sounds good. Thanks.

4/29/80 Jack Straw!

Thanks for the list.

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Bolo24 - Amazing & Funny in one post.. Nice Work!

VGuy72 - Gotta Love a Good Editor!! Thank you, Edit made.
My thoughts on Don't Ease & Passenger Exactly!
BTW Nice work keeping up on the Avatars, I'm enjoying that. Well Done

FOURWINDSBLOW - I think that Jack Straw is ultimately the best song played that night, SMOKER!
And Nice Pick... Anything '72 will do..
Lemieux sounded like '72 is essentially his favorite year, I mean I'm reading between the lines in his comments, but yeah.. that's what it sounded like.

And this 10/22/71 is sounding super GOOD, I love a '71 Black Peter, might be my favorite year for that song.. not sure about that.

This is fun you guys!

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Sorry was not trying yo ignore you brother. Great pick!

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No harm, no foul, no worries :) Dave's 3 is one of my favorite of the series!

I really tried to get Bolo's game, but after seeing the rationale, I was not on the same plane of reasoning. Would have never gone the Hitchcock direction. I did originally get Fox Theater though!

So, is Bolo's "Fixable Foot" show, 4/29/80, today's pick?

Peace

Edit: It looks like the answer to my question is "yes." Firing it up now! Happy Friday, DeadLand!

Ditto on FOURWINDSBLOWS post

I think you said it perfectly yesterday -

Loving this new board! Good vibes all around!

And I gave special attention to SOTM yesterday in your honor :)

....but you are savage sometimes with these contests. (Lifeboat is a great movie btw). 4.29.80 is the pick of the day. I missed the Dave's 3 pick, so that will be next so i can ketchup.

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Dave gets paid to do this.

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laguna seca 5.9.87. Touch of grey video shot that night. Dog took drummers leg/foot. Roadie put it back.
That was my first one.
Googled fixable foot. Brought me to club feet. A foot is 12 inches. Club Twelve. A non-profit. Which happens to reside in San Antonio, Texas. San Antonio Civic Auditorium. 11.12.71.
That was my second one. I, apparently, need to think outside the box (of rain) more often for these.

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Mind Blown... Just Think!

Wow... I do it for free, I'd def do it for money.. but even BETTER!

@VGUY72, @OTIS @FOURWINDSBLOW, etc.. Dave's 3 is the SICK!

Early Comes A Time.. so good, extra verses, Jerry's reading of it, gots to be my favorite year for that song. So much good on this here release..

I'm glad this came on today cause it sounds just exactly perfect!

My 1st was 10/29/85 - Anagrams of Fox (Theater) and TOO - this show is at the Fox, has an Other One, and a Brokedown Palace (ref. something "fixable.") Also, the first set was cut short due to technical difficulties, another "fixable" problem.

Second guess was Lyceum 5/26/72 - It is the show that TOO was taken from to make-up the "Epilogue/Prelude" sections of the original E72 Lp, which prominently features a foot in need of fixing on the cover. I went this way after Bolo's comment that I needed to "go a little bit further" than I had before, so I went across the Atlantic.

Now I see that both guesses were woefully simple. Still, a fun game!

As to today's show - this raging Passenger is a perfect follow-up to that gorgeous Peggy-O! Another day, another great pick!

Peace

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Just wait til' you get to the "Dark Star>Sitting On Top of the World> Dark Star>Bobby McGee"! One of the best segments of any Dave's Pick so far, in my (very) humble opinion.

Glad you're digging on it! Forensic Doc's love of 71 inspired me to check it out more, and now it is one of my favorite years for the band.

Peace

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Can't wait, 10/22 Rocked!

Early Keith TIFTOO Kills.. It's unreal that he'd just joined the band.

Hitting up 10/21 after lunch, can't wait!

'71 is special
One of my first bootlegs was 4/29/71, I played it to death.
When I got back into collecting Dead after a long break, I got a hold of that Houseboat RT release and the China > Rider brought tears to my eyes as I realized what I'd been missing.

It's not my go to year cuz there's just so many other great years.. but it'll always be special to me!

What a Year, What a Show, What a Band!

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....i think i speak for all of us that we would have all been a sweaty mess. Nice Playin' jam in that second set too. I give this show 7.2 goonie birds out of 10. (if you went to shows in '88-'89, you know what i mean).

I got a Goonie Bird at my first show in '86.. It was totally Goonie, I wasn't sure if what I was seeing was real or not.

I agree.. that Bertha is full on!

Man, seeing a show. Those were the days.

I think it's a young persons game, but I was young and dug it!

Hi-Five!

You beat me by 2 1/2 months, went to Riverbend 6/30/86 shortly after my 16th birthday:)

I remember going into the place it looked like an amusement park or something, again I was having trouble trusting what I was seeing, it was super hot and there was tie-dye everywhere and that goonie bird..

I can't remember a lot of things, but I've got some memories from that day that I always smile about.

There was a running dialogue all day I kept picking up on. It went something like:
Man it's Hot Out, You got your ticket?, It's Gonna Be a Good Show.. Man it's Hot Out, You Got your ticket? It's Gonna Be a Good Show..

I'd check my pockets every time. It's funny what you remember.

EDIT: Supplication Jam > Let It Grow!! You lucky Dog You!

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I was at this show, soundboard was taking up our reserved seats so they pulled out some nice padded chairs and put us right at the soundboard. I would have never guessed this was the pick. 2 word anagram, was that part of the clue? Missed that. What I remember (almost 40 years now) about this show was the Jack Straw opener, always loved a Jack Straw opener, got the crowd into it right off, the Passenger being really good, but I'm bias, I've always loved that tune. The second set with Don't ease as the opener, we all looked at each other and went "odd", the Lost Sailor>Saint being very nice. Of course the most remembered part was the awesomeness of the Fox Theatre itself, what a beautiful place and the planetarium ...wow, the sun went down the band came on, it got dark, the stars came out and we went to space and the band played on as the dawn approached, all inside that beautiful theatre. I do believe it is the nicest venue I have ever seen a band at, early 20th century decor, that carpet and those drapes, those bathrooms with the attendant, just so cool. Maybe not the best dead show, but I will never forget it. I've got the ticket stub around here somewhere, sparkles on the Grateful Dead lettering, if I find it, I'll post a pic of it.