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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #831
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    “Hey Rocky, watch me levitate Garcia”

    Per your suggestions, doing the 9-18-87 anniversary.

    I suspect that everything in the Vault that sounds good will get digitized, and a lot has probably been done already since the tapes are degrading and the job needs to get completed. Also, storing digital copies at various geographic locations can be an insurance policy against things like the Universal Music warehouse fire, California Earthquake(s), etc. Futhurmore, I assume that when Dave is perusing potential releases he listens to a digital copy, not a cassette copy, then he picks a few shows to discuss at the next business meeting.

    Some will get the Full Norman.
    Some will even get Plangentized.
    Everything that gets digitized will be available for download and/or streaming in the future, we may just not be alive to spend the money on such.
    The Vault will become the Catalog.
    We are financing the digitization of the Vault by buying the new releases.
    So bust out Dennis’ wife’s credit card and keep buying.
    (Well, at least Dennis can bust out the credit card)

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    Misery loves company, JK

    Yeah 1stshow I hadn’t planned to do it.I mean I’ve been meaning to, but, like many things nowadays, always low on roundtoits ; ). Reminds me of this guy we picked up on Ziggy Marley tour doing merch back in 96 I believe.
    Flew into DC, met PK from Jersey, counted stuff in at the 9:30 club, then just tried to keep up with ole PK. Out on town all night, then immediately had to drive to next show etc…
    Dude knows everyone everywhere and can get you ANYTHING you need in almost any city!
    Damn Rastas were asking him to get them weed everywhere as he had better connections lol
    Been a road dog forever! Anywho, somewhere in the mayhem we ran into a buddy of his from Virginia who decided one show wasn’t enough fun. He only ment to go to the next one, and every night kept saying “ok, this is the last one, then I have to get back”…we’ll this went on for over a week until finally, after Panama beach show we literally had to make him get on a bus and go home lol. Guy was helpful and we all had big fun, but the poor bastard was wearing the same clothes etc and didn’t have anything with him, totally spontaneous trip. Think after a couple daze we bought him some fresh underwear and gave him a couple tour shirts to change into lol.
    So that’s kinda how I started E72 this time, ok, I’ll do one more. Finally, though this isn’t a good time, time wise etc, figured, fug it, buy the ticket, take the ride! So, always more fun with a tour buddy!

    Yeah, I’m with you on 5/3. It is a damn good show, but I didn’t get as blown away as some…
    But I’ll need to reacquaint with it…top five, good luck. I can’t do it. Their all so good, sure I like some perhaps more, but their just different enough I can’t pick a top dog…
    Yeah, what a surprise, the French were the most vocal lol

    Yeah DV, im worried about the VIKS, Bills too, though they seemed like their old selves again this week. But like the Viks, ya never know what’s next lol. Rootin for underdog Lions, and Falcons, though I really like this kid Field with Da Bears…
    I’ll have to try and find that Dave article. He always says that and he doesn’t do it all the time, and they have mostly stayed clear of anniversaries, but he has been dipping liberally from that early possibilities list he mentioned back at the start of DaP.

    Those all sound familiar Jim, but I’m on a job site so can’t look up in my Db.
    Tempting all, but I’m on tour in Europe with ole 1stshow and don’t like to listen to other Dead until the trip is over…
    1970 is perhaps last frontier I haven’t really got the toe wet yet. Need another roundtoit!

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    Hey OB, not off to a good start here in MN, but actually not that surprised. Go Bills!

    There is an interesting article in Relix with Dave L. that was posted last week I believe. Check it out.
    Dave claims there is no list and they don't generally release shows or box sets based on anniversaries. This year's box was just a coincidence. So, what does that mean for 2024? Not sure. Would love to see that October 74 Winterland box released. Who wouldn't?
    I thought the 74 Winterland shows were recorded by Bill Wolf as part of the Movie production agreement with United Artists. I believe everything is there and based on the material from the 2005 soundtrack, and bonus material, it is fantastic.

    Madison Square Garden 87. Those are some good shows Jim. Might have to join you on 9/18 as I have that 30 Trips show handy.

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    Huge and another damn near perfect show with 3 Other Ones! The crowd seems more engaged and yelling a bit more than some of the more polite audiences. And interestingly they didn't understand that the show wasn't over at set break. Read attendee Bob Welle's review in DeadbaseX and his cool viewpoint of having been cruising around EU and just luckily caught this one, wondering who are these new people on stage.
    After all these good ones in a row it's hard to see the almost Barton Hall fervor over this one though. I'm having a tough time doing a top 5 of the first 11 shows they are all so good but this one is certainly in there. Onward indeedy! Didn't expect anyone to join in my insanity to do them all so good on ya' Oro. Had to do it once in a lifetime, lol.
    Cheers

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    I was talking about a mini box of Feb '74 before they released 2/24 (and now 2/23), but I like the way you think.

    I always assumed, probably incorrectly, that there were problems with the recordings of much of the October 74 run. I know Owsley was very vocal that they had excessive bleeding from mic to mic, etc.

    As for something to listen to today.. not that I am strictly a Today in GD History person but 9/18/70, 9/18/74 and 9/18/87 were all excellent shows. 9/16/87 was surprisingly good for the period also.

    That's all I have for now.

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    Ok, back to Europe

    Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
    5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
    I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
    Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
    Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
    Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
    Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
    I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
    Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
    But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
    The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
    Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
    Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
    Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
    Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
    Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
    Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
    Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
    ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?

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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 04/25/2020 - 10:59

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Beautiful sunshine morning, fresh brewed coffee, and DaP 24, with its extra dose of Phil. Love this show, one of my favorite releases in the Dave's series. Can't wait for other shows in the run to be released.

So many excellent picks suggested in this thread. Thank you! A lot of them outside my general rotation, maybe years since last solid listen, and its been super fun to rediscover, or in some cases, finally really actually "get it". I'm sort of freestyling through, hopping and skipping - if not able to listen right away, then mental note to follow up. Listened to Disc 3 on DaP 3 yesterday, with that first Keith Dark Star and man was that a sweet journey to lose oneself in. That whole release shines. DaP 8 '80 Fox is def in the queue, maybe later today.

As some fellow travelers have noted, that first night at Alpine '87 was something else. I wasn't sure what the freaking heck was happening when suddenly all sorts of crazy jungle sounds were pouring out of the speakers during that jam out of Eyes. And yea, that Watchtower, completely and totally unexpected for most of us, was one of the more hair raising musical moments I ever experienced. Wowza. As to Alpine '88, for me it comes down to that final night, with that first Believe it or Not and the aura-shooting-out-of-the-top-of-your-head Morning Dew (10th row (?) in front of Jerry for that wonderful spiritual spirit-filled night.) Yes, it was on GD Hour that Healy's back and forth panning of the board tapes from that show was discussed. I know he did it for the first night of the run also. Doesn't bother me much but ultimately you have to wonder what the heck he thought he was doing. My word-on-the-street understanding was that the ultramatrix boards Healy made at Alpine in '87 were unlistenable. Love to to find out otherwise. His boards during the spring tour seem to have been hit and miss.

Thanks everybody for all the fun and musical goodness served up here. An oasis of good vibes during a dark and difficult time. Stay safe and healthy everyone.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Sat, 04/25/2020 - 11:26

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It is very weird how the Healy ultramatrix recordings or what is in the vault from '87 mostly spring tour don't sound that good and the Don Person ultramatrix recordings sound great. C.M. says the recordings were made on the same kind of cassette deck but his sound better.

Fun post & nice to Meet Ya!

I agree about the Thread, it's been a real nice Alternate reality.

DaP 24 & DaP 3 have been great listens for sure. There's magic in them there tapes.

And thanks for the Alpine stories.. it's fun to hear other travelers feedback on that first night in '87, it wasn't just a dream! Good times.

Thanks for the input on the tapes, I figured if they haven't come out yet, they probably aren't listenable. I know experimentation was a thing, but I wish it wouldn't have been '87 that all that UltraMatrix experimentation was happening. Those were magic shows and to have clean boards of some of those... alas.

Yeah Morning Dew '88 and then we got that BlackBird encore that was nice, real nice. A lot of new songs during those 4 shows.

Good Stuff!

JIMINMD - Alpine memories made you flash! write it down..

9/3/72 Folsom Field is getting a dust off over here and SBD has got issues, but is also pretty cool so far:) PITB coming up after some Godchaux introductions.. gonna listen

Thanks all.. and what else are you gonna listen to this weekend?

For sure the Don Pearson Upgrades are the best sounding yet. There were some good Joani Walker cassette masters too.

I'd love to know more about both those players. Sounded like Joani met Healy and was running the Cassette taping for awhile there, and Don Pearson was part of the crew.

So yeah, who's got the scoop on all that?

Jesse Jarnow are you writing a book on Taper's? That would be cool.. especially if it was like Heads!

Fun to think about. BTW 9/3/72 PITB is DOPE! (sounds a little rough, but not as bad as some of the UltraMatrix we be talking about)

EDIT: Oh and with the Spring Matrix, Healy was going way heavy with the ambient mic making them sound like Audience recordings, I believe is the big diff.

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Right? That's been happening a lot lately.. Dead magic ;)

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 04/25/2020 - 14:57

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Skipped the 80 show for now to do 4/24/72 yesterday. But need to check that out ASAP. Oh, of course had mind properly blown by 4/24/72....listened to most of disc three three times!

9/10/91: not sure if I got a round to this one before, but it’s going in regular rotation now! Listened to second set twice! Jinxees Shaggy that was awesome! Great choice!

Doing 8/25/72 now. Haven’t heard this one much either? Mostly when it came out. So much dead, so little time etc. need to spend more time with this one...

DaP 3: yeah that DS sequence is a real Bobbie Dazzler!

4WINDS/87 UM: interesting!...haven’t dived deep, but had similar thoughts on the Pearson recordings...that’s the dream catcher I was referencing days back: could there be useable Pearson tapes or some possible combo that might provide something? useable..

Don Pearson: .FYI for whomever ever asked. Don was with Ultra Sound, the Dead’s PA company supplied/supported by Meyers Sound etc. Don, and Howard and a few others were like regular crew guys with the Dead but working for the PA company or something along those lines. Don had Black hair and a mustache (I think?, so long ago..,) and could be seen hanging at the board working in conjunction with Healy...

SHOWS ATTENDED: yeah, setting that up was fun, but beyond convoluted...luckily I did that years ago at a job that I couldn’t get started on...so at least I got paid to do it, lol.

6/30/86: great first show! Always have felt this was a top tier attended show. Think I ate a whole garden of veggies that tour, and that night, phheewwww, remember the barge and river boats that came at exactly the right moments, like it was orchestrated, during Big River, then Ship of Fools, whhhoooaaa, still freaks me out! One of the few times I got good seats from GDTS, I think only indoor Amp tix? Just to the right of right isle, about 15 rows back, sweet!

ALPINE: there 86, 87, and 2 outta 3 in 89. Don’t remember anything about 86 except camping in that sweet lot next lot over in the shade next to the trees, and that we got way the fug out at those shows...like I say that whole tour, hell that whole year is a real blur. 87 it was too hot, crowded, and all that MTV/TOG phenomenon was in full swing so good shows but didn’t dig the scene like 86. 89 is a whole legend unto itself...

Yeah, 8/25/72....need to get better acquainted with this one..”oooo, water bong so smoooooth!” name that quote?

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 04/25/2020 - 18:10

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Shoot chip, gonna have to do that disc 3 (at least) again later! That was like Dark Star sheet der mon!
But first: A little Frampton Comes Alive, assorted Clapton, and some Stones (needed to change it up so Lovey won’t knife me in my sleep)

Such a laid back show, and that stellar start with Cold Rain and Snow. Nice He's gone, Black Peter is really good. FOTD, boy did they change this up when they returned in 1976, I sometimes forget how different the early versions were. Bird is hot, Playing. Solid Truckin and great finish. Sound quality in this release is A+. Another release courtesy of ABCD LLC. Thanks gents.

What is on tap for tomorrow?

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 04/25/2020 - 20:26

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....this He's Gone is something else. And that Cold Rain opener was 🔥. I agree with the Minnesotian.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 04/25/2020 - 21:00

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....Black Peter Jack Straw.
Jerrys tone is dialed the fuck in. Keith is all over it on FOTD. You know, these guys are pretty good!

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....and then; whoosh. The exits are here 👈, and here👉. In case you get scared. - GD flight attendant Donna Jean Godchaux. Pilot Jerry takes control at the 8:30 mark and assures the safety of his passengers. Co-pilot Phil bouncing bass bomb radar pings ahead. Hopefully we have enough parachutes. Dodging storm clouds. If the thunder don't getcha....
The sky clears at thirteen minutes. Haven't seen the sun in awhile.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 04/25/2020 - 21:44

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Not really going on a limb here, but in honor of #34 coming soon, let's give 7/31/74 a run. Dave's Picks #2. I hear the bonus disc is also super good. I still have never heard it.

What do you think Vguy?

Would be interested in hearing all of your opinions on this release.

Be well.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 04/25/2020 - 21:58

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....lets check out that limb. Been a while.
Newsflash! No. Its not covid related. Phil solo at the 13:30 mark of Truckin'. All good. Aaaand he spills his bottom end splurge into a Spanish Lady. Way to go Philster!! 👏👏 Stud

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 04:50

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That Stella out of that E.T. space was nice!

On to summer 74. Scarlet's killing it out of the gate!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 06:38

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Almost a bookend indoor version of Veneta. Bird Song is as beautiful as it gets. 1972 versions are my favorite anyway. Interesting that Folsom Field was the following Dead concert after Oregon.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 06:39

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This ain't Kentucky Man... It's Berkeley!

Stellar Show, Top Tier in my opinion, especially after a focused re listen yesterday. (Two maybe Three-ish)

Not sure there’s much to add about the music based on what’s been said here already.

So I’ll just lay out some of the facts:
Last Show of a 4 Show run at the Berkeley Community Theater
First Hometown Shows since Europe ’72
Bear Recorded it (freshly released from prison)
Looks like it didn’t circulate in it’s entirety before it’s release in October 2017
(Incomplete in Dead Base through DB 50 Updates, Taper’s Compendium list only through El Paso)
Nice Bill Graham Introduction
1 of 7 Cold Rain & Snow openers in 1972
1 of 5 Black Peter in 1972
Bird Song candidate for best of ’72
PITB earns it’s place with the other greats of ’72
Truckin’ > The Other One is Epic!

Set 1
Closes with Bird Song (11:30), PITB (16:48) & Bertha (6:40) - Only Time Played in this Order (Credit: FOURWINDSBLOW)
35 minutes of completely wonderful music.
Those 3 songs alone are worth admission (and in that order, wow!).

Set 2
Opens with Truckin’ (16:02) > TOO (28:03)
44 minutes of completely wonderful music.
Upper echelon Truckin’ > TOO! The Jam from Truckin’ into TOO is worth serious exploration and Phil’s contributions up to the Spanish Lady, I could listen to that a lot and will.

There’s a few stumbles in Bertha made up for with some sick Jerry shredding @ end (as mentioned by all)
Stella is different…
This show is GREAT!

Under the radar likely due to two factors:
1. Lives in the Shadow of Veneta Oregon 8/27/72
2. Full Show didn’t circulate until 2017

I absolutely love this show, and will be listening to it much more often.

Really really really enjoyed this pick!!

Thanks for making me re listen, it’s my favorite pick here as of today:)

7/31/74 you say? Onward…

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 07:03

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Just starting to listen... and can you believe it, it is raining in Rhode Island!!! There also is another Dillon Stadium show from 7/16/72 that features some of the Allman Brothers.. and there is only one version on Internet Archive, I always forget about it when we are talking Watkins Glen or 6/9/73... enjoy your day everyone and be safe.. bob t

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 07:23

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Set 2 sounds real good!

ps. Bird, Playin, Bertha. Only time these song were played in that order.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 08:12

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Spent a good portion of yesterday afternoon on the front porch, drinking Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, doing some light reading, and soaking up my newly acquired DiP28. I made it all the way through the Nebraska show, and just that alone assured me that my money had been well spent. The "NFA>GDTRFB>NFA" to end it all is killer! GOGD, you were right about having some good listening ahead of me. I think I will try to sneak in the Salt Lake show today, but no porch sitting, as it's raining here in Baltimore... (isn't that a song from the 90s?)

Yesterday's BCT show was absolutely eye-opening. Again, I have no idea why it didn't click for me when it came out, or why I have neglected it for so long, but that is another top-tier pick for sure!

Just fired up DaP 2 (7/31/74) for today's listen. Another great pick, and another standout in the series. The bonus disc is my favorite of the series, and serves as a delicious and heady dessert to the Dillion show main course.

I hope everyone is safe and happy!

Peace

EDIT: Man, this "Me and My Uncle" is SWINGING, BABY!

Happy Indeed!

Haven't even looked outside yet.. but there is a light source out there:)

To distracted listening, reading and talking GD!

Yesterdays trip through 8/25/72 came in waves...
First Listen, Break and Exploration of 9/3/72 - Recommend checking out DiP V36 bonus material at least.. SICK!!!
Back to 8/25/72 this time outside in a sun break around 4:20.. new colors, shapes, textures appeared.
It began to stand out in totally different ways.. as it does!
Another listen to selected parts later in the evening as I dug into Taper's Compendium, Dead Base, interweb to find out more. Loved it all a new / old Favorite! Great Choice!

OTIS - Stoked for you man, them's some good tunes!

7/31/74 - China Cat > Sunflower sounds so good right now, Wall of Sound, Jerry riffing with Phil on lead up to IKYR, that jam they used to do right there, big smiles, heady stuff..

Another Fun Day in Dead Land!

PS - VGUY - I dug that article:)

Speaking of Billy
He's killing it all over the place on this WOS show.. his playing started to really grab my attention during S2 Big River, but then Eyes!! He's a monster, best year for Billy's playing? '72, '73 or '74.. dude is such a sick drummer.

And the separation between the instruments in this recording.. The crew and the band.. the things they did.

Wow!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 09:27

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"Row Jimmy" gets too much flak, IMO. I for one am always happy to see it on a set list, and this version is quite lovely. As was the "Roses", as is this whole dang first set.

Peace

Set One, down the hatch! Two more (and a bonus) to go!

Jerry liked it too, so do I.

All this talk about '73 makes me think of the first two shows.. 2/9 Maples Pavilion and 2/15 Dane County Coliseum.

I am quite sure we will another dose of '73 this year in one way shape or form. If not, 2021 will be 73 heavy.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 11:43

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Opening with "El Paso"... that's an interesting choice. I love this song, but I wonder if it ever opened a set before or again.

Set II - LOVED the "Big River" (Billy DOES kill it on the skins!) The "Eyes" was nice and juicy, and I loved the "China Doll" "Around and Around" "Ship of Fools" run. I'm noticing how many really strong ballads are in this show... Still have a "To Lay Me Down" to come too!

I know that I've said it recently, but I really like this new thread! It is fun to know that folks are listening to the same stuff - even if it might be at different times. Also, the overall attitude around these parts has been overwhelmingly positive, which I really appreciate.

Set III awaits as I prepare Sunday dinner (Beef Bourguignon - one of my personal faves!)

Peace

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:26

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I am! I am! I am! I am!

Seems so fitting.

I thoroughly enjoyed listening to that show.

Billy was an all-star throughout.. and his drums were big in the mix, which personally, is not a bad thing at all.

The Ballad's really shine:
IMHBTR, Row Jimmy, China Doll, Ship, TLMD.
Jerry's voice is so sweet.

If you get TLMD that's pretty much a good show IMO, but if you get TLMD and everything else in this show? Wow!

Too many highlights to list Three Sets worth!
But here's a few I remember:
Big River
Eyes
Loved WRS
Real nice Mind Left Body Jam
US Blues ('74 best year for that song?) - seems fitting
Uncle John's Band
All the Ballads

That was fun!

Gonna go read the reviews on Veneta '72 in the Taper's Compendium and listen to Dave's Picks 2012 Bonus Disc.
(Despite being out of date, the Taper's Compendium is still really cool and informative)

It's sunny out here, hope it's nice where you are, be well and enjoy the Dead!

OTIS - Rockin' Thread & Row Jimmy fo Sure!
JIMINMD - 2/9/73 Row Jimmy is my favorite all time version, first one I ever heard, and still my fave.

Keep on Rockin' You All!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:36

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....high of 90 today. Where are you at GOGD? Location?
7.31.74 later. Still have GarciaLive 13 to play. But, I need to disinfect and don my PPE. Gotta make a grocery store run. Current listening? Something Else by The Kinks. Spotify/Galaxy Phone/Pocket/Buds+.
RIP last roll of Cottenell. Onto Scott's. A distant second.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:44

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Bonus disc, Bonus disc, Bonus disc.

ps. Let me tell ya about the time we went to Kentucky in '93.

We left N. E. Pa. about 10 o'clock the night before four of us in a 1969 Buick Electra with a broken bench seat and a hole in the gas tank. Having to stop every hundred miles to get gas cause we could only fill to half and only me and the guy whose car we took had a license to drive. So half way through Ohio he ask me if I could drive I said sure so I got in the car now he was a bit taller than me so the broken bench seat was no problem for him. I on the other hand had to lift up to see over the door panel so we went on our way before too long everybody was asleep I just kept driving every time a car came passed they had to think there is nobody in this car until I lifted up and looked at them over the door panel that really must have been something to see. So we get to Freedom Hall finally and wouldn't you know it they book a "Wing Ding" convention on the same days as the shows. Honda Gold Wings as far as the eye could see it was funny and the guy who owned the Buick Electra was a real Harley guy he was loosing it all day having to look at all these Honda's. Show was okay couldn't get a room for a 50 mile radius so we slept at a rest area got up the next day and those guy's drop me and another guy off at the hall for night two they headed home. After the second night we hitch it to a camp ground and then to Deer Creek the next day.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:49

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Finally have a real solid chunk of "free" time.. what are we on, DaP 2? I'm half tempted to go back in time and pick one of the shows I missed.. DaP 2 will do. ahh.. 1974 the comfort food all things music, dovetails right into the Zen of bicycle maintenance and that's my afternoon in a nutshell.

...add to that some nice fresh roasted organic Ethiopian Sidama Shantawene Village coffee, full city ++, just exactly perfect.

VGUY - TIGHT Avatar today, just noticed... Jerry!

Portland, OREGON in the house!

Personally, I kinda like Scotts... less shed.

But yeah, going to the Grocery Store straight sucks these days (didn't like it before, like it way less now).

Put on that PPE, don't touch your face, be quick and Good Luck man!
Wash your hands when you're done.. cause you got some listening to do!!

Be Safe bro

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 13:07

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Epic!! Got to read that Tale from Summer ‘93 while listening to this sweet sweet Sugaree..

Do road stories ever get old?

I wonder if Jer knew how right he was when he said going on the road with the GD was the last chance for grand adventure in this new lame America.

Oops that’s kinda depressing... WRS to the rescue!!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 13:46

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...is the exact reason the Goddamn Grateful Dead are the best band to grace our lives. They're not only just the best at what they do, they're the ONLY ones that do what they do.

1974 : Of all the years combined, this one may be my favorite. Summer in particular was pure FIRE!

What's on-tap for Monday, folks?

Peace

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 13:50

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I had to look up that beef dish.
Looks pretty good in the pictures online.

Guess I’m lazy, I’m just doing a sirloin tip in a Dutch oven at 300 for a couple of hours.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 14:12

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It is an involved dish, but nothing too technical. In fact, after getting and prepping the ingredients, most of it is just letting it cook for a few hours, which gives a lot of time for "other" activities. That being said, it is not a weeknight/busy kinda meal. Also, avoid those recipes that call for too much - it's basically a beef stew with a lot of wine :)

That being said, your dinner sounds great too!

Now, on to that bonus disc. I see another "Truckin'" and Spanish Jam in my future, but this time, with a "He's Gone" and an "Other One" thrown in the mix. Oh, and that "Sugaree".... :)

Today has been a grand Sunday, thanks to you all!

Peace

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 14:21

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....kinda tough to do when the Dead keep stealing it. Ha!
Home safe. One thing about everyone wearing masks. Forces one to focus on people's eyes. Indeed, the eyes of the world.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 14:22

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Otis - Hold on to your hat!!!

There’s whole new worlds and galaxies of goodness contained within that disc.

I just got rocked.

Dare I say it’s better.. oh but terms such as better are useless when describing the Dead. It’s yet another cosmic voyage into the places the music takes us!

Been reading too much Dwork.. he’s a really good writer!

And your all’s cooking is making me realize I need some new recipes. Maybe that’s another thread we need to start ;)

Oh man, I’m excited to hear what you think.. I’m speechless.

So good!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 14:25

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Whoa Trippy!!

Eyes of the World 👀

So glad you made it!