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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #831
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    Bickershaw and repetition

    1stshow -no, I have never heard Hawkwind's set at Bickershaw. Curiously, I have never read anything about it either, not from the band or from people who were there. Simonrob was there - maybe he knows something.
    1972 was the year it all came together for Hawkwind, culminating in the Space Ritual tour in December. In fact - a timely thought - the 11 cd special deluxe edition of Space Ritual is out next Friday. Probably not good value for money unless you are really into it - they basically played the same set on that tour wherever they played - this new set features three of them. I'll be getting it - but the original album may be better value overall.

    Going back to The Dead's repetitive - or otherwise - song lists - they would have played to a different audience every night, for the most part, during E72, so maybe it mattered less than later on if they played the same songs a lot. Maybe that was the case for American gigs at first, too. It wasn't common practice in England in the 1970's to see the same band twice on the run, so I wouldn't think it was in America at first. As teenager, apart from anything else, I wouldn't have been able to afford it.

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    Repetitive, Sort of..

    With the exception of Copenhagen and London, they hit these cities just once and my guess is most locals had not had any real exposure to the touring Grateful Dead. Copenhagen is the real outlier, two hits at the same venue and similar second set setlists.

    I always assumed they wanted to make a presence in Europe and knowing people were not as exposed in the US, wanted to paint a strong picture for each city.

    So 51 years later listening to the whole tour, there is lots of repetition. But if you were there then, it was all brand new. That's how I digested it. They wanted to hit Europe with a cohesive picture of what they were doing then not knowing when or if they would return.

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    Yeah they always went heavy on what was new. Guessing partly for their own sanity/interest, and partly for the crowds.
    Not unlike Taylor Swift etc: make an album, go on the road to support it, rinse and repeat…of course like most things, they weren’t that formulaic, thank goodness lol. Plus, they were smart enough to figure out that it’s better to work stuff out on the road BEFORE you go into the studio to record it, especially when you do constantly tweak and re-invent them. So this tour was perhaps a bit of both lol.
    Also, (think we’ve discussed before?) folks didn’t tour so much back then, probably not at all in 1972 Europe?
    So they didn’t have to worry about that like they did later on.
    Sometimes I think they, or someone, just really enjoyed certain songs, so played en more.
    I’d say they played less repetitive in some ways as the years passed and they had more and more songs to choose from.
    Ok, maybe not Bob, he seemed to need to play everything to death lol. Speaking of, why Me&My Uncle every night! I mean they just put it out on the last live album only a year before! With so much new stuff as the Dead, and from WM and AB, AND both Bob and Jers recent solo albums, why Bob, why LOL ; ) Perhaps trying to bring more American “culture”?
    As far as reinterpreting songs, I think they always did that, though some more than others and with various results.
    I guess that’s yet another thing dependent on the listeners taste and chever way yer pleasure tends…
    But I’d bet the biggest factor on this tour was trying to get at least one good useable version of all the new material since they purposely chose this methodology to get the new songs out on a new album. That and mix in some familiar stuff as you never want to do all unknown songs. I could tell ya a story about doing that lol

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    Finishing up as I write.
    Highlights: Dark Star, The Other One, Lovelight (Jerry!).
    The line-up for this festival is astounding. Woodstock level of mud too.
    DR, guessing you've heard Hawkwind's performance. Good?
    Cheers

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    Repetition

    Is that true, though, that there was more repetition of songs during the E72 tour than others in the late 60's and 70's?
    I haven't checked it out, but listening to shows, I always get a sense that they had a core group of songs that they leaned on during specific tours. It was the same listening to the 1973 box that has just come out. There weren't any shows that were wildly different from any other - possibly 6/10/73. That has a different feel than the earlier ones.

    That's not a criticism - the more they played specific songs - especially the ones incorporating jams, the better they got to know them and the more they were able to re-interpret them. Part of the ongoing mystery - especially from late 1971-1974. Maybe.

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    The make up show.
    Yeah 1stshow, there is definitely a looooot of repetition! Lol
    But yeah, all good, perhaps getting a little burnout, though I haven’t had a lot of good, sit down sessions.
    By necessity, some I’ve been just streaming on crappy work device, (or I’d be still doing this months from now and I’m getting itchy for some other Dead ) I’ve tried to hit those shows multiple times.
    5/13 was one, and another first time show.
    I thought it was a mostly well played show, especially considering it was another cold outdoor show.
    Loved JG joking about a movie and playing drive ins lol
    The PITB seemed a little different, and awesome! Oh, loved Pig making Europe sounding police sirens on the organ during the first spacey part of TOO, another beauty. Nice how their starting to work He’s Gone into the flow of the set.
    Don’t have my info here, but believe this might be the first show without a Good Lovin, which no offense, but I am getting burnt on. Have really been enjoying the other stuff, especially Hurts Me Too and Mr Charlie! And I need to learn the rest of the words to ChinaTown Shuffle as I can’t get the chorus outta my head lol.
    In fact slightly light on the grease, perhaps the chilly cold and being on the road, or maybe time limits? This show was a little shorter by E72 standards, more like a “normal” Dead show.
    Wonder if that was due to having to get back on the road, the cold, or…?
    Overall another great show, though if hard pressed I don’t think I’d include in top five or whatnot…
    Kudos to them though in spite of being less than ideal circumstances and this far into the tour etc

    Oh, I think the repetitiveness and lack of certain songs was totally by design.
    Always good to have as many good versions of songs to attempt to choose from. Nothing worse than wanting a certain song badly but only having a so so version…
    They had all those new songs they wanted to get out, or try to, so I can fully understand not doing too many other recently released songs.
    Making the album was a big part of the tour and after hating their studio stuff versus the great live albums, they were trying to make an album, but live in front of grooving people. Same sorta MO they did with In The Dark. Kinda surprises me they didn’t use this approach more often since it obviously worked so well for them.
    And perhaps unknown to some, but even though they played all tracks live, they did go back and clean up and/or sweeten some things in the studio afterwards, so really a sorta highbred album. Same with Skullfuck.
    Ok, on to 5/16/72 and a world radio broadcast!
    Onward!

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    Just started Bickershaw and it occurred to me that 12 shows into the tour there weren't all that many songs in the setlists from either Workingman's or American Beauty. A quick look to verify only found Sugar Mag and Truckin' from Beauty (whoops found a Brokedown too) and five out the eight from Workingman's with two of those played maybe once or twice in the tour. I knew going in to the full EU72 tour I was in for a lot of repetition in the setlists and having glanced at them beforehand saw the order of songs or placements were also similar, i.e. Casey Jones to end many a first set. So maybe knowing they were doing the album they did so many of the same ones to get a better shot at getting one that would be just exactly perfect for the album, more to choose from. Seems a bit opposite to their usual format of no format or you get what feels right that night. These shows are certainly not carbon copies by any means and I'm not complaining at all but just wanted to explore why they all sound a bit the same. Clearly some doing them all in a row impressions happening but not burnout at all. They are all just too good!
    Cheers

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    Where’s Waldo

    Errrrrr I mean Hendrixfreak?
    That’s just it, he was out and about in Montana and was supposed to be back end of August…
    Hopefully he’s just busy, wherever, and there’s no fuckery about?

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    I suspect that he is in the outback freeing his mind and prepping for the Fall equinox.

    Or maybe he went to Burning Man and is still stuck in the mud.

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    #Freethereels!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Now when I go shopping I look like the uni-bomber hood up glasses on mask I'm afraid to go to the bank.

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One typo, 3-22-93 was in ATL not Oakland. Don’t know how this site got that wrong.
Oh wait, not surprised that this site has errors.

7-31-74, Promised Land just ended, I have a lot to look forward to while cooking. Probably time for some beer.

....es no bueno. Plenty of alcohol though. Whew!
11.10.73 Bob T says? Twist my joint.
The Kinks were incredible. Every album is different! You go Davies Bros! Reminds me of another band. Too bad they fought so much.

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....is a pic from the 7.31.74 booklet. Look at Garcia leaning back and blowing everyone's minds!! Yup. Kinda like that! Lookit him loving on Wolf.

I wasn’t saying to listen to it tomorrow, I was saying “Hey Dave, how about 12-18-73 for DaP36?”
But that doesn’t mean that you can’t listen to it tomorrow after 11-10-73.

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You’re so lucky to live in a cool state.

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....list shows attended. Pour some good bourbon, light a preroll and go!
Nevada is a cool state, Vegas mayor notwithstanding.
Prepping the grill for ribeyes.
I fear for my home city though.
I still have Primus tix for July in Vegas.
LMG says 10.6.20 will be a date to focus on. Kept it short and sweet. We shall see.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 15:56

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My vote is for the Winterland show, though Curtis is incredible.

Maybe some Pig and/or Brent shows going forward?

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 16:45

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Bolo so incredibly envious i think is the word.... 11/10/73, first show wow!! Playing>Uncle John's>Morning Dew>Uncle John's>Playing, I think I would have passed out!!! Did you go the next night??? bob t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 16:57

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Still working my way through this monster. Love the Scarlet opener. Great first set. Nice China Rider. Love the Eyes, WPS.

Every time I listen to this show, I always think the fidelity is just a little off. Doesn't seem to match some of the other 74 releases like Dick's 31, RT2
2.3 or Dave's 9, the May MT show, which are all A+ in sound quality. What do you all think? Do I have a bad copy?

Winterland 73, wow Bolo that is pretty cool that was your first show.
I am in on 11/10/73 for tomorrow.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 18:00

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....I'm representing the Big Rock Pow Wow 5.23-24.1969. Road Trip Vol 4. No 1. I was one year old. Makes sense to me. Music to be birthed by.
You want the grease? There ya go.
Jimbo is especially fond of this release. Hard to argue.
If there are rules to this endeavor, I might have just broken them.

....was ahead of the curve.
Nuances. Jerry flutters the strings at the 1:50 mark of BE Women.....getting settled here.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 07:20

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11/10/73 - Fine start with Bertha, Jerry's solo says it's gonna be a good night out of the box.

BOLO tell us a first show story!

And when you say "official" show, is there un-official shows? Just trying to be hip, on all the jive;)

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 07:44

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Bertha grooving I can see Bolo dancing, Jack, Loser into a beautiful LLR, Deal still climbing, nice Mexicali, wonderful Tenn Jed & El Paso, Fair Thee Well I want to cry, BIODTL, hoping Row J, and Weather Report takes me home.

Set 2 dives right into the deep end. Stella Blue, Truckin' are they teasing Nobodys Fault, psychedelic Wharf Rat

I remember listening to this run when I first got it 11/9 I thought was great, the 10th was okay some nice parts played very well. I think they were holding back some so they could blow everyone's minds on the 11th. It's played with enough energy to carry from 9 into the incredible 11.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 09:04

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... As you can see, being a rock n' roller ain't no bed of roses.

Love these guys! 11/10/73 commencing.

Peace

Set 1 was a real nice trip.

iTunes is telling me I haven't listened to this since 10/11/13 @ 12:41pm & I'm thinking I was probably pretty toasted then based on the time..

I'm really getting a lot out of these revisits... so many days between.

Crazy to think that in 2008 this was the 2nd big Box Set of a run of shows released. Previously planned for 2006 release, who remembers waiting?

Brokedown Palace 1 of 7 from '73.. real good.
Weather Report Suite was so good too.
(little tape flutter I'm hearing in there?).

Time for a Set Break.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 11:05

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What show are we doing today, Winterland 73 or Big Rock Pow Wow? I'm so confused...

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 12:17

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I would be right at home at this one. Can't wait till tomorrow.

This site thinks I'm a robot. Do I look like a robot?

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 12:21

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I got a rabbit sits out front of the house everyday listening to the tunz. Them must be some good picks.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 12:39

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Dillon Stadium had some kind of dynamic effect on the band. Exploratory China Cat /I Know you Rider . , think about 50 year anniversary of Harper College May 2 next Saturday . Considered one of the most amazing Dead concerts of all time.
Mark me down for Seminole Powwow, Alligator land.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 14:56

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November 73 is so damn good. This show is awesome. Again, the focused listen to get through the whole show in one day is fun. I will be checking out 11/9 and 11/11 again this week as well.
Sound quality is A+. First Plangent Box, what a great job and partnership with Dave and crew.

Always like hearing a Brokedown Palace. Of course the Playing/UJB/Dew/UJB/Playing sandwich is epic.

Great finish. Big River, Stella Truckin, etc. Casey Jones encore.

And you were there Bolo, wow! What a unbelievable first show.

Great Pick!
Thanks a lot folks.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 15:43

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The sea was angry that day, my friends.

My brother and I arrived at the corner of Post and Steiner, queueing up to enter the vaunted Winterland Arena. It was my birthday present from him, and the first time I'd seen the Dead since 1/14/67, the Human Be-In (thats a whole 'nother story).

As we're waiting to go in, my brother ran into a college buddy of his, Dell Furano, who was working for Bill Graham at the time. He and his brother would go on to form Winterland Productions with Graham the following year.

Anyway, Dell decided that we should see the show from a unique vantage point - a wooden light/camera box perched on the side of the wall with a great view of the band, stage right. We had to climb up a less-than-stable wooden ladder mounted on the wall, and I'm pretty certain we and other friends of the Furanos exceeded the legal weight capacity of said box by at least 200%.

As the show went on, any beer that was confiscated at the front doors mysteriously found its way up to our little box. It was a pretty steady supply for the duration.

During the set break, we found ourselves in the middle of a spontaneous drum circle in the lobby. We were chanting and banging on anything we could find - trash cans, empty beer bottles, etc. After several minutes, a rather large security dude came toward us and pulled a wooden baton out of a hip holster. I thought we were in for it, but he just joined in, banging on a concrete column and grinning widely. The whole scene was as cool as one could possibly imagine - complete bliss!

After the famous Playin' sandwich to launch the second set, well, that was it for me. Plaster from the old ceiling was literally raining down on us as Phil dropped bomb after bomb, and I was in heaven - I'd officially found my seat on the bus!

After the show we hung around for a bit with a few folks, waiting until I felt it was OK to drive. I remember leaving through a side door, and I paused for a couple seconds and peeked out the door, because I wasn't entirely convinced that I was walking outside to the same planet Earth I'd departed a few hours earlier. Turns out my instincts were correct - the world would never look or feel or sound the same to this day. I, like all of you, was granted the extreme privilege of peeking behind the curtain. The soundtrack to my life had been established once and for all, and it's been a glorious journey ever since.

The End.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 16:33

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From where I was standing, I could see directly into the eye of the great fish.

A Great and Well told story!

You just can’t beat that, thank you sir.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 16:54

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"Mammal." "Whatever!"

11/9 Takes most of set 1 to get it dialed in, some roughs spots here and there China> Rider, Playin' pretty good. HCS to open set2.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 17:38

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The "Brokedown" is gorgeous, that whole 2nd disc is great, and the "Wharf Rat" is glorious. It was fun to dive into the boys towards the beginning of 73 (DiP28) and towards the end. What a great year!

I have (surprisingly) never listened to Big Rock, as I missed nearly all of the Road Trip series on the original go through, but I have found a way to stream it - looking forward to hearing what all of the hype is about!

Peace

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 20:27

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....consists of beer brats with medium cheddar wrapped in crescent rolls and portobello mushrooms in a butter/garlic sauce with thyme and parmesian.
Looking for a chateau, 21 shrooms and one to go.
It works.
I'm no cook, but I spent last night at a Holiday Inn. Evens out.
Onto the second set.
Oh. And a merlot.

11/10/73 - Kidd Candelario’s tricked out 2-Track recording of Winterland ’73 along with Bolo24’s wonderful tale and copious recounts and reviews from GD scholars & fans took me there!

Said to be “maybe” the best 2-Track recordings from ’73 in the Vault quality wise

Set 2 Absolutely Rocks and the 1st of 3 PITB > UJB > Morning Dew > UJB > PITB palindrome is definitely the highlight. The rest of the set really sparkles too.
Really rockin’ Big River, nice Stella, top notch Truckin’ > Wharf > Sugar Mags, OMSN.
One of my favorite moments you ask?
Right before the Encore you hear a fan call for “Casey Jones!” and then “Drivin’ That Train…”
Ah.. Winterland that hallowed hall, I wish I knew you!

Ask and you shall be rewarded, right Bolo24?

Such a great first show story. Thanks again for sharing, I liked that firsthand account as much as the revisit, and the two together… Extra Sweet!

Yet another reason ’73 is mentioned as a “best” year for the GOGD.

Alright, onward you say? 5/23 & 24 of 1969 you say? Well, well, well…

After yesterdays revisit of '73 I'd like to hear that 11/11/73 Dark Star again & 11/17/73 DaP V5 Palindrome #2 again

So I’ll toss those two out to the wind and let’s see if they make it into our little revisit list..

But until then I will go with you all to the cosmic year of 1969!

PS - If no-one wants to listen to the two shows mentioned above 11/11/73 & 11/17/73 then, lmk cause I’ll listen to those in my “spare” time;)

ICECRMCNKD - 12/19/73 Complete Show Re-Issue / ReMaster. YES Please!!!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 07:57

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Commencing now.

"Hard to Handle" right outta the gate!

Looking forward to this one... I'll be sure to keep my hands out of my pockets.

Also, got my shipping notice for Jai-Alai - looks like delivery by end-of-day Friday. Good stuff.

Peace

EDIT: Just saw that according to our friend Doc, 4/28/71 may be the best show in GD history. Well, I know what I am going to put on after the Pow Wow!

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Submitted by unkle sam on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 08:43

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What a show the 23rd is, how many times did they do St. Stephen>the Eleven outta Dark Star? This is a really good Dark Star and a very nice Morning dew, what's not to like. Plus I think this is the first Casey Jones. I have been to the Seminole Indian Reservation, went to the Phish show down there for the 1999 new years run, but that's a different story. I can only imagine how desolate and out in the middle of nowhere this show must have been, must have been a gas to drive on Alligator Alley to get to this show. I've also seen Alligators and Indians and have experienced Orange Sunshine, just not all together at the same time :)

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 11:42

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10 was dialed in so from Bertha on the sound was there maybe a few tweaks here and there, they were really able to hear each other very well kinda like 8-24-72 where you can hear all the nuances, and the band played very well. I made it to Eyes from the 9th it was late and things didn't seem to be clicking.

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Submitted by bob t on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 11:43

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Pigpen just heckles the shit out of the announcer.... "You ain't if you don't shut up!!" Listen closely if you never have... I threw a quote out from this show when i requested to listen to the Dave's Wichita 72 show, "Don't be programming it baby let's just get it on!!""" bob t

Running a little late, just getting into Set I of of 11-10-73. Bolo, that's quite the Origin Story!! Such a fun vivid picture to have painted for this collective listen. Wow, the sound is dialed in from the get go. Gorgeous. Another great pick o' the day. Disc 3 from the next night was in the road music rotation for a good while, but even that seems like ages ago. Looking forward to the Big Rock Pow Wow - that sequence with He Was A Friend Of Mine is sweet!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 12:00

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The Spirit's are alive! The Katcinas here.

This show sound dialed I can hear everything twice the band is playing great, Dark Star through the roof. What i like most about the era is it goes right into it. Bear was The Sound Man I guess everybody else learned it from him.

When life gives you lemons you go put on Pow Wow from '69.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 12:00

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I enjoyed today's listen - though I must admit that I did not do the back-to-back 30~min. "Lovelights."

"Death Don't" is a track that I need to listen to more often - one of my favorites from the earlier days, and I thought this one was haunting and perfect.

I too was at the Phish 1999 NYE shows in the Everglades, and yes, I did see some gators. What a trip it must have been to be there in 69.

Good stuff. And yes, the band really did seem to give that announcer hell.

Peace

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 12:19

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Sounds real nice. I hope that the 24th sounds good too but this Lovelight is pretty good.