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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #861
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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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    Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

    Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

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    Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

    Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
    With all the video included.

    I’ll take mini-Boxes.
    3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
    Sounds like a grate plan to me.

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    Agree..

    Can anyone tell me why we did not get a Winterland '74 Box Set? The box design would, of course, been a mini Wall of Sound.

    Wars have been fought for less.

    Oh, the horror.

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    Would you like yours in a mini or mega? 1972, 1977, 1978 still ripe for the picking. Added together that equals mega I'd say. Taken alone some fine mini ones there. I think there's a New Year's 1971 available yet to add...

    P.S. Currently spinning the space jam from 10-18-1978

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    Stuck in the mud…

    Made through 5/4 and sorta first run of 5/7 (on crappy device while working) But got bogged down this week with mucho fuckery and distractions so lost my pace and mojo, hoping I can catch up this WE…
    ONWARD!

    NO MORE MINI BOXES!
    Every piddly little release is one less possible future box! Like most things there’s only so many, nothing lasts as the pranksters say…
    We’re running outta time so we need huge boxes with the best remaining 20 shows from each year.
    Perhaps more from years they’ve been stingy or ignored.
    This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no foolin around…
    Seriously, sales are flat, saturation for some has set in, old heads don’t want any newer stuff and/or are dying off etc, yeah, this could all go away sooner than later. We need to demand more output for the faithful, and stop worrying about the picky folks who only buy limited things. I totally understand not buying things you won’t use, but if we don’t support these releases, eventually, they’ll just stop!!
    They need to quit dicking around, otherwise,…..Smithers, release the hounds, it’s time to quit screwing around and storm the vault! Where the hell is Keithfan anyway? Thought he was getting close? Hear sound of foot tapping…AND,
    Hey Mickey, what happened to “everything’s going to get digitized and you’ll be able to order almost any show” (paraphrasing).

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    Maybe they could do that with vinyl releases, like they did with The Lyceum shows. Although I get the impression it didn't sell particularly well.
    I tend to segment them myself, when I listen to them, although I'm glad the cds were released in that mammoth box. I listen to most of them every year - but I couldn't do it consecutively, one show another in one chunk. I take all year about it - then come Spring in the following year...start again.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Now when I go shopping I look like the uni-bomber hood up glasses on mask I'm afraid to go to the bank.

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One typo, 3-22-93 was in ATL not Oakland. Don’t know how this site got that wrong.
Oh wait, not surprised that this site has errors.

7-31-74, Promised Land just ended, I have a lot to look forward to while cooking. Probably time for some beer.

....es no bueno. Plenty of alcohol though. Whew!
11.10.73 Bob T says? Twist my joint.
The Kinks were incredible. Every album is different! You go Davies Bros! Reminds me of another band. Too bad they fought so much.

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....is a pic from the 7.31.74 booklet. Look at Garcia leaning back and blowing everyone's minds!! Yup. Kinda like that! Lookit him loving on Wolf.

I wasn’t saying to listen to it tomorrow, I was saying “Hey Dave, how about 12-18-73 for DaP36?”
But that doesn’t mean that you can’t listen to it tomorrow after 11-10-73.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 15:38

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You’re so lucky to live in a cool state.

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....list shows attended. Pour some good bourbon, light a preroll and go!
Nevada is a cool state, Vegas mayor notwithstanding.
Prepping the grill for ribeyes.
I fear for my home city though.
I still have Primus tix for July in Vegas.
LMG says 10.6.20 will be a date to focus on. Kept it short and sweet. We shall see.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 15:56

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My vote is for the Winterland show, though Curtis is incredible.

Maybe some Pig and/or Brent shows going forward?

Peace

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 16:45

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Bolo so incredibly envious i think is the word.... 11/10/73, first show wow!! Playing>Uncle John's>Morning Dew>Uncle John's>Playing, I think I would have passed out!!! Did you go the next night??? bob t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 16:57

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Still working my way through this monster. Love the Scarlet opener. Great first set. Nice China Rider. Love the Eyes, WPS.

Every time I listen to this show, I always think the fidelity is just a little off. Doesn't seem to match some of the other 74 releases like Dick's 31, RT2
2.3 or Dave's 9, the May MT show, which are all A+ in sound quality. What do you all think? Do I have a bad copy?

Winterland 73, wow Bolo that is pretty cool that was your first show.
I am in on 11/10/73 for tomorrow.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 04/26/2020 - 18:00

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....I'm representing the Big Rock Pow Wow 5.23-24.1969. Road Trip Vol 4. No 1. I was one year old. Makes sense to me. Music to be birthed by.
You want the grease? There ya go.
Jimbo is especially fond of this release. Hard to argue.
If there are rules to this endeavor, I might have just broken them.

....was ahead of the curve.
Nuances. Jerry flutters the strings at the 1:50 mark of BE Women.....getting settled here.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 07:20

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11/10/73 - Fine start with Bertha, Jerry's solo says it's gonna be a good night out of the box.

BOLO tell us a first show story!

And when you say "official" show, is there un-official shows? Just trying to be hip, on all the jive;)

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 07:44

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Bertha grooving I can see Bolo dancing, Jack, Loser into a beautiful LLR, Deal still climbing, nice Mexicali, wonderful Tenn Jed & El Paso, Fair Thee Well I want to cry, BIODTL, hoping Row J, and Weather Report takes me home.

Set 2 dives right into the deep end. Stella Blue, Truckin' are they teasing Nobodys Fault, psychedelic Wharf Rat

I remember listening to this run when I first got it 11/9 I thought was great, the 10th was okay some nice parts played very well. I think they were holding back some so they could blow everyone's minds on the 11th. It's played with enough energy to carry from 9 into the incredible 11.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 09:04

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... As you can see, being a rock n' roller ain't no bed of roses.

Love these guys! 11/10/73 commencing.

Peace

Set 1 was a real nice trip.

iTunes is telling me I haven't listened to this since 10/11/13 @ 12:41pm & I'm thinking I was probably pretty toasted then based on the time..

I'm really getting a lot out of these revisits... so many days between.

Crazy to think that in 2008 this was the 2nd big Box Set of a run of shows released. Previously planned for 2006 release, who remembers waiting?

Brokedown Palace 1 of 7 from '73.. real good.
Weather Report Suite was so good too.
(little tape flutter I'm hearing in there?).

Time for a Set Break.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 11:05

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What show are we doing today, Winterland 73 or Big Rock Pow Wow? I'm so confused...

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 12:17

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I would be right at home at this one. Can't wait till tomorrow.

This site thinks I'm a robot. Do I look like a robot?

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 12:21

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I got a rabbit sits out front of the house everyday listening to the tunz. Them must be some good picks.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 12:39

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Dillon Stadium had some kind of dynamic effect on the band. Exploratory China Cat /I Know you Rider . , think about 50 year anniversary of Harper College May 2 next Saturday . Considered one of the most amazing Dead concerts of all time.
Mark me down for Seminole Powwow, Alligator land.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 14:56

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November 73 is so damn good. This show is awesome. Again, the focused listen to get through the whole show in one day is fun. I will be checking out 11/9 and 11/11 again this week as well.
Sound quality is A+. First Plangent Box, what a great job and partnership with Dave and crew.

Always like hearing a Brokedown Palace. Of course the Playing/UJB/Dew/UJB/Playing sandwich is epic.

Great finish. Big River, Stella Truckin, etc. Casey Jones encore.

And you were there Bolo, wow! What a unbelievable first show.

Great Pick!
Thanks a lot folks.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 15:43

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The sea was angry that day, my friends.

My brother and I arrived at the corner of Post and Steiner, queueing up to enter the vaunted Winterland Arena. It was my birthday present from him, and the first time I'd seen the Dead since 1/14/67, the Human Be-In (thats a whole 'nother story).

As we're waiting to go in, my brother ran into a college buddy of his, Dell Furano, who was working for Bill Graham at the time. He and his brother would go on to form Winterland Productions with Graham the following year.

Anyway, Dell decided that we should see the show from a unique vantage point - a wooden light/camera box perched on the side of the wall with a great view of the band, stage right. We had to climb up a less-than-stable wooden ladder mounted on the wall, and I'm pretty certain we and other friends of the Furanos exceeded the legal weight capacity of said box by at least 200%.

As the show went on, any beer that was confiscated at the front doors mysteriously found its way up to our little box. It was a pretty steady supply for the duration.

During the set break, we found ourselves in the middle of a spontaneous drum circle in the lobby. We were chanting and banging on anything we could find - trash cans, empty beer bottles, etc. After several minutes, a rather large security dude came toward us and pulled a wooden baton out of a hip holster. I thought we were in for it, but he just joined in, banging on a concrete column and grinning widely. The whole scene was as cool as one could possibly imagine - complete bliss!

After the famous Playin' sandwich to launch the second set, well, that was it for me. Plaster from the old ceiling was literally raining down on us as Phil dropped bomb after bomb, and I was in heaven - I'd officially found my seat on the bus!

After the show we hung around for a bit with a few folks, waiting until I felt it was OK to drive. I remember leaving through a side door, and I paused for a couple seconds and peeked out the door, because I wasn't entirely convinced that I was walking outside to the same planet Earth I'd departed a few hours earlier. Turns out my instincts were correct - the world would never look or feel or sound the same to this day. I, like all of you, was granted the extreme privilege of peeking behind the curtain. The soundtrack to my life had been established once and for all, and it's been a glorious journey ever since.

The End.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 16:33

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From where I was standing, I could see directly into the eye of the great fish.

A Great and Well told story!

You just can’t beat that, thank you sir.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 16:54

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"Mammal." "Whatever!"

11/9 Takes most of set 1 to get it dialed in, some roughs spots here and there China> Rider, Playin' pretty good. HCS to open set2.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 17:38

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The "Brokedown" is gorgeous, that whole 2nd disc is great, and the "Wharf Rat" is glorious. It was fun to dive into the boys towards the beginning of 73 (DiP28) and towards the end. What a great year!

I have (surprisingly) never listened to Big Rock, as I missed nearly all of the Road Trip series on the original go through, but I have found a way to stream it - looking forward to hearing what all of the hype is about!

Peace

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 04/27/2020 - 20:27

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....consists of beer brats with medium cheddar wrapped in crescent rolls and portobello mushrooms in a butter/garlic sauce with thyme and parmesian.
Looking for a chateau, 21 shrooms and one to go.
It works.
I'm no cook, but I spent last night at a Holiday Inn. Evens out.
Onto the second set.
Oh. And a merlot.

11/10/73 - Kidd Candelario’s tricked out 2-Track recording of Winterland ’73 along with Bolo24’s wonderful tale and copious recounts and reviews from GD scholars & fans took me there!

Said to be “maybe” the best 2-Track recordings from ’73 in the Vault quality wise

Set 2 Absolutely Rocks and the 1st of 3 PITB > UJB > Morning Dew > UJB > PITB palindrome is definitely the highlight. The rest of the set really sparkles too.
Really rockin’ Big River, nice Stella, top notch Truckin’ > Wharf > Sugar Mags, OMSN.
One of my favorite moments you ask?
Right before the Encore you hear a fan call for “Casey Jones!” and then “Drivin’ That Train…”
Ah.. Winterland that hallowed hall, I wish I knew you!

Ask and you shall be rewarded, right Bolo24?

Such a great first show story. Thanks again for sharing, I liked that firsthand account as much as the revisit, and the two together… Extra Sweet!

Yet another reason ’73 is mentioned as a “best” year for the GOGD.

Alright, onward you say? 5/23 & 24 of 1969 you say? Well, well, well…

After yesterdays revisit of '73 I'd like to hear that 11/11/73 Dark Star again & 11/17/73 DaP V5 Palindrome #2 again

So I’ll toss those two out to the wind and let’s see if they make it into our little revisit list..

But until then I will go with you all to the cosmic year of 1969!

PS - If no-one wants to listen to the two shows mentioned above 11/11/73 & 11/17/73 then, lmk cause I’ll listen to those in my “spare” time;)

ICECRMCNKD - 12/19/73 Complete Show Re-Issue / ReMaster. YES Please!!!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 07:57

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Commencing now.

"Hard to Handle" right outta the gate!

Looking forward to this one... I'll be sure to keep my hands out of my pockets.

Also, got my shipping notice for Jai-Alai - looks like delivery by end-of-day Friday. Good stuff.

Peace

EDIT: Just saw that according to our friend Doc, 4/28/71 may be the best show in GD history. Well, I know what I am going to put on after the Pow Wow!

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Submitted by unkle sam on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 08:43

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What a show the 23rd is, how many times did they do St. Stephen>the Eleven outta Dark Star? This is a really good Dark Star and a very nice Morning dew, what's not to like. Plus I think this is the first Casey Jones. I have been to the Seminole Indian Reservation, went to the Phish show down there for the 1999 new years run, but that's a different story. I can only imagine how desolate and out in the middle of nowhere this show must have been, must have been a gas to drive on Alligator Alley to get to this show. I've also seen Alligators and Indians and have experienced Orange Sunshine, just not all together at the same time :)

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 11:42

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10 was dialed in so from Bertha on the sound was there maybe a few tweaks here and there, they were really able to hear each other very well kinda like 8-24-72 where you can hear all the nuances, and the band played very well. I made it to Eyes from the 9th it was late and things didn't seem to be clicking.

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Submitted by bob t on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 11:43

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Pigpen just heckles the shit out of the announcer.... "You ain't if you don't shut up!!" Listen closely if you never have... I threw a quote out from this show when i requested to listen to the Dave's Wichita 72 show, "Don't be programming it baby let's just get it on!!""" bob t

Running a little late, just getting into Set I of of 11-10-73. Bolo, that's quite the Origin Story!! Such a fun vivid picture to have painted for this collective listen. Wow, the sound is dialed in from the get go. Gorgeous. Another great pick o' the day. Disc 3 from the next night was in the road music rotation for a good while, but even that seems like ages ago. Looking forward to the Big Rock Pow Wow - that sequence with He Was A Friend Of Mine is sweet!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 12:00

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The Spirit's are alive! The Katcinas here.

This show sound dialed I can hear everything twice the band is playing great, Dark Star through the roof. What i like most about the era is it goes right into it. Bear was The Sound Man I guess everybody else learned it from him.

When life gives you lemons you go put on Pow Wow from '69.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 12:00

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I enjoyed today's listen - though I must admit that I did not do the back-to-back 30~min. "Lovelights."

"Death Don't" is a track that I need to listen to more often - one of my favorites from the earlier days, and I thought this one was haunting and perfect.

I too was at the Phish 1999 NYE shows in the Everglades, and yes, I did see some gators. What a trip it must have been to be there in 69.

Good stuff. And yes, the band really did seem to give that announcer hell.

Peace

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 04/28/2020 - 12:19

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Sounds real nice. I hope that the 24th sounds good too but this Lovelight is pretty good.