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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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August 22, 2022 - 8:37am

#1861

Forensicdoceleven

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The laws of morals and the laws of music are the same……

Hey rockers!

Pick Of The Day: Fillmore West, August 22, 1968

Clean cut but morally corrupt, the Grateful Dead………..

If 8/21 wasn’t primal enough for your ears, wait a day and try this on for size!

On paper, short. In music, long. “Only” ten songs, but such much!!! Especially the gargantuan Alligator, more massive than the ones in Florida. Dark Star, The Eleven, Midnight Hour, I shall take it all in and give thanks!!! You should too!!!!!

The esteemed Mr Miller did a fine job with this one, check it out!!!

In morals, truth is but little prized when it is a mere sentiment, and only attains its full value when realized in the world as fact…….

Rock on,

Doc
I don't necessarily set out to teach or say anything in particular in my writing, morals and themes come out as I'm telling the tale……
August 22, 2022 - 3:53am

#1862

daverock

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BCT box

I'd still buy it in a shot, of course, and it would be great news if it did come out.
August 21, 2022 - 6:14pm

#1863

JimInMD

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BCT

I'm partial to the BCT shows, I think they are great.. but truth be known, I have big holes in my Fall 72 listening. The Texas stuff is fantastic also.

Good points, time will tell I guess. Owsley recorded a lot of the late 72 shows, and now that the Banana Box mystery is starting to unravel.. we might get our answers. Of the great stuff we know exists, there are a lot of 69 shows that were recorded and have not been released, but most do not sound as good as the last Dave's Picks, and there are a good bit of 72, 71 and 73. 68 and 74, not so much.. 67 almost nonexistent which brings us to post hiatus where 76 and 78 have a lot to chose from and beyond that, enter the cassette / PCM era.

Still, I stand by the BCT shows. They are worthy. I thought the BCT and Fox were the unreleased gems of 72 from the shows I had listened to anyway... This being before the STL box and Dave's Picks 24.

So where were we?

Edit: I really have to wonder both how many times these master reels were played back in the day which would lead to degradation. On the other side of the same coin, I wonder just how much better Mr. Norman is to spinning 50+ year old polyester tape into gold. To me the turning point in his prowess of all things GD was the 5/15/70 Road Trips, adding in the WOS and Big Rock Pow Wow for good measure. He stepped up his game during this period. I have to wonder how good Dicks Picks 1, 3 and 16 would sound if he remastered them today, god forbid E72. These later day releases are like pennies from heaven to me. 43 wowed me. It was an in the park home run.
August 21, 2022 - 12:45pm

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daverock

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BCT 1972 box?

Would these shows make a better box than ones from the following four months though, if you had to choose one 72 run over the others? Maybe they would be just as good - I have it in mind that they re-started a bit hesitantly in July, gathered pace in August, then peaked in September and maintained this on through to the end of the year. I haven't checked this theory out listening to all the shows, though, just a sample.
August 21, 2022 - 10:43am

#1865

JimInMD

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The Great Mystery of BCT 1972

I asked Lemieux about this years ago and he replied quickly that not all these reels are in the vault. ..but they do circulate in high quality. I'm not what to make of all this, clearly they were recorded and someone in modern times went through the trouble to clean them up and get them in circulation.

Dave's Picks 24, 8/24/72 came compliments of ABCD Enterprises, so even though Bear recorded them the master reels must have somehow reside with Betty. Perhaps ABCD still has a little life to give and a deal can be extended to these source tapes? Maybe they are already in the vault or in a banana box on the top shelf somewhere? They are Bear recordings after all. I'd love a box of the remaining three shows. This is one that should be released all at once and not cobbled together as Dave's Picks.
August 21, 2022 - 7:28am

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billy the kiddd

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8/24/72

My brother went to 8/24/72. It would have been nice if they would have released this whole run as a box set.
August 21, 2022 - 7:28am

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daverock

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Berkeley 1972

I listened to the official 8/25/72 last week and was really impressed - short by the standards of the day but powerful. I guess maybe they had lost a fair proportion of their set list with Pigpen, and hadn't quite figured how to fill the gap yet. So I went to the second set of 8/21 straight afterwards - great Dark Star with Keith leading at one point. Pity they couldn't have slipped this in with the relevant Dave's Picks.
August 21, 2022 - 6:24am

#1868

Forensicdoceleven

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The soul has illusions as the bird has wings……

Hey, rockers!

Pick Of The Day: Berkeley Community Theater, August 21, 1972

I have realized that the past and future are real illusions, that they exist in the present, which is what there is and all there is……..

The first night of this very solid four night run finds the band in fine form, playing well, with the usual 1972 gooey Dead goodness, rock and rollers and cowboy songs. The major deadness is the oh-so-interesting Dark Star. I don’t know scales from whales, but interested readers are referred to Henry Kaiser’s spot-on analysis in Deadbase X. The band channels its focally dissonant, focally atonal, A mixolydian selves to produce what might humbly be classified as magic.

Not as famous as the 24th, and not officially released like the 25th, but a show without illusions, and mighty, mighty good for the soul……

Therefore trust to thy heart, and to what the world calls illusions……

Rock on,

Doc
Our experience is composed rather of illusions lost than of wisdom acquired…..
August 20, 2022 - 3:42pm

#1869

icecrmcnkd

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6-22-91

I was there, so was Spacebro.

There is pro-shot video of that show.

Dave,
CD/Blu-ray combo please.
August 20, 2022 - 1:30pm

#1870

Oroborous

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PT Spring 91, 9/9/82

Ooo, 4/8 does look interesting!
Looks like good Sunday show, so mañana, on the list!

I know we hit 4/7 on your recommendation and was a solid show.
We’ve hit some good ones here on POTD: someone picked 3/25, DV gave us 3/31, Bolo 2/19, and my fav from spring (so far) a fine outing from 4/1 via brother Conekid!

If/when we do get a 91 outta Dave, I’m guessing 6/22/91 or 9/26/91 since there on his “list” that he’s been chipping away at fairly regularly over the years. Plus, when he goes to these “not Betty, 70s etc” he tends to pick a place with a high population and often shows with big crowd capacity: Giants, MSG, RFK, Boston Garden etc perhaps figuring even if the pick doesn’t fly off the shelf, there’s enough of a potential base that it’ll sell out?

9/9/82: interesting show, sounded great except a couple of splices, and the speed may have been off, at least at first.
It seemed a little fast, so perhaps recorded slow, but I don’t think that’s the whole story. I think their playing super fast and the tape just adds to it. Whatevs, their on a mission. Interesting set list, some occasional misses, like the transition back to Uncle Js, but it’s a cool idea and nice variety, and from there on out status quo but generally well played..
perhaps not the best of the year, but another interesting solid outing from a year of the same!
Really enjoy these early Strangers, and especially the West LA’s with the alternative lyrics, and hey, a Day Job for good measure.

Ok, gonna hit a little 11/2/69 before the Other One gets home. Then hopefully some video tonight…
ONWARD!

EDIT: VERY GRATEFUL DAY yesterday!
4/14/78
9/9/82
11/2/69
David Bromberg: tge best of DB out of the blues
Grover Washington jr: Mister Magic
Wynton Marsalis: Standard Time Vol I
6/14/91: Vault View II (video)
8/18/89: m/o 2nd set on youstoob
Thanks Conekid, hadn’t checked any of 8/18 out. Was really enjoying it!
Funny cause I read your post, but thought 7/18, which is what I lamented about missing, so then at 11:30 or whenever I went there, of course I started watching 7/18 before finally remembering (had to go look lol) that you were digging on 8/18. I’m blaming it on age, not the Pioneer Gold lol. So I got a couple tunes from 7/18 too.

8/21/72: meh, heard that a few times, maybe at work? Nice Dark Star!
Ooorrr maybe I’ll hit the 22 as I’ve not heard that one?
First I’m having my morning Joe with PT on 4/8/91!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

Orange Sunshine

I remember Buffalo '90 we had motel room like right across the street from the stadium I know it was in walking distance. Anyway we went up a day ahead and went to The Anchor Bar for wings and pizza. Then we went to The Falls Canadian side my buddy had family up there. That night we got back to the room we took the bed spread off the beds and went down where they were camping and stayed up all night eating Orange Sunshine and drinking Fosters.

1969-05-23 - Road Trip!

I know it’s a surprise, but the Highlight = Dark Star > St. Stephen > Eleven > Lovelight

The Infamous Dark Star Suite of ’69!

Dark Star
If I waxed poetic, I’d go on and on about this Dark Star, but mostly I wanna say, it’s got the Vibraslap, and I love the Vibraslap, especially in Dark Star, and therefore I love this Dark Star.

St. Stephen!
Can’t beat a Classic Version like this. You get the Xylophone, Cannon, William Tell Bridge, it’s all there. This is a great St. Stephen of old.

The Eleven
It’s good! Crazy good you ask? Well.. Crazy good might be a bit much, but it’s good I say!

Turn On Your Lovelight
Sir Ron McKernan aka Pigpen with his blues and soul. I’ve come to feel that Pigpen is a tragic figure, and the band would forever change with his passing, but here he is young and alive and that’s how I like to remember him.
Cause she’s got Box-backed nitties… what’s he say?!?!? (Let’s leave that for the scholars)
Calm down Bobby.. it’s no time for screaming like that!

Alright, well.. that was fun.
I guess I should put on the next show and follow my bliss.
5/24/69 you’re up next…

Note:
When they rehearsed and played St. Stephen with regularity, like in 1969, it was such an amazing song.. alas Jerry would remark that he felt that the song was a cop and due to that and less time spent rehearsing, St. Stephen would leave the garden.

If you watch the Grateful Dead Movie with the director’s commentary, Susan Crutcher tells a pretty fascinating story about how, she wanted to include St. Stephen in the section with the photo montage and Jerry was like, we don’t even play that song anymore, and Susan said yeah but it’s sooo good. And while listening to the song repeatedly during the editing process, Jerry’s interest got peaked and that led to the band resurrecting the song in 1976. The story holds water as they were editing the movie in ’76 when St. Stephen came back. Not to mention Susan strikes me as a cool person who would have no reason to embellish a story like that. I found that to be pretty cool and wanted to share.

I love St. Stephen of old!

FOURWINDSBLOW: How much of that there Orange Sunshine did you eat? That's the question...

GOGD-OSS

Enough! That's all I'm saying.

There were just the three of us out of ten that went to the camping site, we were the crazed of the group. The next morning when we went back to the motel room waking everyone up with a hearty breakfast of Orange Sunshine.

Good Show! CSN and The Dead! We went in early and sat right up in front of Jerry.

RE: OSS

FWB - That sounds like Good Times!

You seen that Doc on Orange Sunshine? Pretty fascinating.

That and Heads by Jesse Jarnow.

So much info. Such a Taboo subject... You gotta love it!

Oh Yeah

I just remembered that right before set 2 the band on the stage and the camera rolling a camera guy center stage got me giving the thumbs up as he panned the crowed I know he saw me cause he smiled. Hope it makes it on the official video.

7/16/90

Check out Bucket> Half Step if ya wanted to listen to more that would be okay.

https://archive.org/details/gd1990-07-16.sbd.miller.95782.sbeok.flac16/…

I have a cool story about taking mexican quaaludes at a show....

....I'll fill you in later.
I have a pick to throw into the ring. It's not official, and I'm sure most have you have heard it, although maybe not in a long time (like me). 10.16.81 Club Melk Weg. Amsterdam. Bobby's birthday. One acoustic set. One electric. Borrowed instruments. High AF on hashish. Lovelight bustout after nine years. It's a really fun show. My two sense.
https://archive.org/details/gd1981-10-16.sbd.miller.110351.flac16/gd81-…

Taboo Subject, Let the Good Times Roll

Not sure why this would be a taboo subject here.. the band certainly didn't try to hide it. Besides.. most of this is folklore by now, happening between 55 and 25 years ago. It could be just because I am old and in the way.. but you don't see or hear of it that much these days.

I enjoy reading peoples stories, most of which (probably all that are told on these threads) by far predate any statute of limitation. Like it or leave it, this is American and World History. Let the good times roll (deja que los buenos tiempos pasen, deixe os bons tempos rolarem, laissez le bon temps rouler).

Edit: Speaking of LSD, I finished discs 1 and 2, 3 later. Still one of my favorite 69 releases behind FW and Fillmore Auditorium. I agree with the Good Ole GD.. disc one probably delivers the goods and is the highlight, but my favorite is disc 2 simply because He Was a Friend of Mine > The Eleven speaks to me... As for disc three, I have never met a Morning Dew or an Alligator I did not like. Even the squatty little yeller one with no tail.

vguy 10/16/81 Melk Weg

There was a video of both shows on Youtube, a few years ago, don't know if it is still out there!!

Back to Pow Wow....

....i never met an Alligator i didn't like, and i really like this one. Love the Feedback as well. Great show!!

Mmmmm.....Melk Weg

https://youtu.be/WvvYChZTXMw

https://youtu.be/b4p1zBuqYDk

5-23/24/69 Pow Wow RT 4.1(?)

I actually was awarded this for a prize back in 2010 for the inaugural version of 30 Days of Dead. It was on the 5th day and the song was Playing in the Band from 5/20/73 UCSB. As I recall it was a totally random guess! Funny the things we remember (and what we forget!)

Re: Pow Wow

Couldn't have happened to a better person.

Pow Wow Wow

Had a good time listening to 5/23 & 24/69 today.

The opening Lovelight almost seems to be a prankster response to the rookie mc telling people to be seated... never trust a prankster.

All the banter is fun. The difference between the closing Lovelight & opening Lovelight was interesting as well.
The opening Lovelight seemed to be much more exploratory with different themes being introduced, especially around 14:30, Jerry gets into a cool groove. The Drums > St. Stephen transition was a trip too.

Good stuff all around.

Milkweg is cool, I like Milkweg

11/17/73 Dap 5 is calling me too, I can feel it's pull.

WILFREDTJONES - 30 Days, look forward to it every year, and that's a good prize! Thanks Dead.net for being cool.

JIMINMD - I agree! That subject should not be taboo. May the human exploration into the cosmos and beyond continue!

Alright you all, keep on rockin' looking forward to the next pick here and in my mailbox.. shipping noticed received!

Be Well

Tomorrow's Pick

What's on tap for tomorrow?

Jimbo, good to see you over here. Time for a pick. Send us one.

Still no shipping notice here.

Pick

Oh,.. the pressure. I am not good at this. But since we are on the best sounding of the road trips. I would humbly suggest either the WOS road trips (6/18/74) or the 5/15/70 Road Trips.

If I had my way.. I would pick Louisville 74 in honor of the eminent release (Road Trips Vol 2 No 4). One other ask.. on or about the first received date of the next Dave's Picks. Would it be possible / make sense to hold this show open for a week so both the folks that get it first have time to comment and the folks that get a day (or six) later have time to participate? Seems reasonable to me. So a week and day of 1974?

Pick

We could do 'From Egypt With Love?' Mix it up a little.

Real great Stella Blue even with the audience patch.

Pick TOO

I want to pick a show Vguy saw. It was his second and it cooks!

Jim's Pick

Good choice, let's do The RT.2.3. Shows from 6/16 and 6/18 74.

I like your idea for Dave's #34.

FourWinds, let's hit up The From Egypt with Love RT tomorrow. 10/21 and 10/22 78. I have not listened to this one in a while.

Thanks guys.

Deadvikes Egypt with love tomorrow

How funny i was grilling last night and I listened to half of the first CD!! Now i have a reason to listen to the rest.. bob t

orange sunshine

there was orange sunshine in the 90's? I only remember it back in the 60's and early 70's and it was the bomb, 4 way hits, which meant you only needed to take a quarter of a hit and they were kinda small, so it was quite easy to take a bit too much. :o fun times indeed. Did some yellow sunshine back then too, it was suppose to be 8 way, never did more than a crumb of that stuff, talk about mind blown. They don't make it like that anymore.
Mexican quaaludes, mandrax I think they were called, not the same as 714's but still lots of fun, they had an antihistamine in the mix to help keep you awake the first 30 mins or so, then it was all fun and stumbling and falling and laughing and feeling invincible, sure wish they hadn't outlawed that drug, one on my favorites. Ever try ludes and acid together? wow, what an experience that was, add some black nepalese hash on top and you are now in heaven. Back in those days, it was ok to have a trove of drugs, like Hunter Thompson said in fear and loathing:
"We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers...and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can." and push it we did.

O S

If it wasn't O S it was very good and very clean. After our first dabble we stayed up all night looking for the girl that had it bought a bunch and ate it all day. Don't want to put misinfo out there but, thats what she called it, we had a good time.

6.18.74 sounds most excellent (Wyld Stallyns guitar riff)....

....cueing it up now on the Archive (i don't own the physical copy). Avatar updated. Four winds says he wants top pick a show i saw? I recently listed my attended shows if you want to look. Just don't choose 5.19.95. Yuck. Vocal drop outs during the Freedom Hall Promised opener. Good ole Wall Of Sound.

Vguy

Check your PM.

Wall of Sound

Many happy Road Trips over the years. Just finishing 5/23/69 lovelight . Amazing all the changes from live-dead era into Workingman’s era , nothing short of phenomenal creative drive.
There were a few lackluster Dead shows in the 70s ,but I never went to one back then that was less than amazing.
Would like to see a board tape of UCSB May 74 with Great American String Band set official release. Maria was real hot also. 74 was a banner year.
Seminole Powwow kicked ass. Dark Star was super improvisational . The 11 was exciting . Love-Light was also reflective of the youthful vigor of the band at that time.
Miss Indian World ,Cheyenne Kippenberger 2019-2021, is from the Hollywood , Florida Band of Seminole Tribe. Met her in Albuquerque during Gathering of Nations Powwow a year ago. She’s a real good person from one of the strongest of all the tribes in the country.
I still nominate 5/2/70 for this Saturday on its 50th anniversary .

Vguy

I suggested the 2nd ever show you saw. I thought this show had some unique Jerry playing on it especially for the time period. If we don't get to listen to it I'll understand but, maybe you can give your take on it I thought it was good for the time.

Ps. Fun fact, though I've never counted till today I got 28 of the 39 I saw on video.

You mean Anaheim Stadium?....

....it's View From The Vault 1. Maybe a video of the day with discussion is in order?
6.18.74's Ramble-On Rose was so good, i played it twice!!
pm checked

Meet Up At The Movie

Quarantine style. Sounds good!

Pick has Started = Contact High

Alright, firing up 6/16/74 and already WOW on Sound Quality and playing on China Cat..

My Completist OCD has prevented me from frequent listening of this & from Egypt with Love.
It might be cool to hear them both again in their compilation order... already struggling with the whole notion of rearranged songs.. Deep Breath.. they sound good.

Talking about Orange Sunshine, Mexican Quaaludes, Ludes & Acid, HST gave me a nice Contact Buzz!

Thanks UNKLE SAM & FWB for that.. Keep ‘em coming.

I was still tripping from the Great Pow Wow! Both nights rocked real good. I dug that.

He Was A Friend & Death Don't were real good too hear again, along with all the rest of that psychedelic stuff.

Good times!

Meet Up At The Movies Quarantine Style sounds Awesome!

Shake up the Shakedown Stream.. with a little bonus footage:)

This Eyes sounds real nice..

EDIT: And 5/2/70 Anniversary sounds promising as well!!

The Logistics....

....to have everyone cue up View From The Vault at the same time would be incredibly incredible. Zoom Meeting?!

RE:VGUY72 - Zoom Meeting

Bad Ass!

ZoooooooooooM!....

....I'm considered essential, but I'm off this Saturday and Sunday. jUSt SaYIn'.

6/16

Eyes, Playin. Nice! Nobodys Jam, now were going old school. Love it!

RE: Zoom Vault View

VGUY - Saturday works for me! PST

And 6/16 Eyes > Stronger Than Dirt > Big River is super!

Keith's piano... is he using a pedal or what's going on there?

Video pick?

If nobody has interest in the '87 Anaheim second choice would be in honor of the resident care-taker of the Vault, the man on the inside. With Dave's very first pick 'Truckin' Up To Buffalo' '89.

RE: Video Pick?

FWB - 4/10/20 - Shakedown Stream was "Truckin' Up To Buffalo" but 7/7/89 "Crimson White & Indigo" might have you in the crowd somewhere? Haven't seen that in awhile.

I'm down for View From The Vault V1 or '87 or whatever, just maybe something other than "Truckin' Up To Buffalo" as I just watched that recent. Just sayin'

DL said this week Shakedown Stream would be Closing of Winterland.

Alright, stoked to hear this 6/16/74 PITB for 28 minutes, but gotta wait till later and take care of some business first...

Be Well you All

GOGD

Yeah I forgot they did the '89 show but , The one I was talking about that i could be on film was Buffalo '90. Sorry for any confusion. JFK '89 we were in the bleachers half way back Jerry, Brent side.

I have the opener and the main act on audience video from Buffalo '90.

6/18/74

Had to cue this one up on archive too, (and will tomorrow's "From Egypt" pick.) I really don't know why I slept on these Road Trip releases - I guess I was put off by the cut-up nature. Oh well - LMA is a-ok with me :) Just now on "Roses."

I had to run out for my weekly grocery trip yesterday, and Sirius was playing "To Lay Me Down" from Jai-Alai - sounded very good, though I am not sure if it was the soon to be delivered version or not.

I know that many here already know this, but if not, the Freedom Hall show "Eyes" is the version that Holly Bowling does on solo piano. She apparently transcribed the whole jam. I have never directly compared them note for note, but her version is really great!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voLdRQ-19dc

EDIT: She actually does her own "version" of the verses, but the jam is transcribed. On "BTW" and it looks like the WoS has settled in and is sounding better - still some vocal drops, but the band sounds incredible!

Peace