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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • daverock
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    Bickershaw and repetition

    1stshow -no, I have never heard Hawkwind's set at Bickershaw. Curiously, I have never read anything about it either, not from the band or from people who were there. Simonrob was there - maybe he knows something.
    1972 was the year it all came together for Hawkwind, culminating in the Space Ritual tour in December. In fact - a timely thought - the 11 cd special deluxe edition of Space Ritual is out next Friday. Probably not good value for money unless you are really into it - they basically played the same set on that tour wherever they played - this new set features three of them. I'll be getting it - but the original album may be better value overall.

    Going back to The Dead's repetitive - or otherwise - song lists - they would have played to a different audience every night, for the most part, during E72, so maybe it mattered less than later on if they played the same songs a lot. Maybe that was the case for American gigs at first, too. It wasn't common practice in England in the 1970's to see the same band twice on the run, so I wouldn't think it was in America at first. As teenager, apart from anything else, I wouldn't have been able to afford it.

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    With the exception of Copenhagen and London, they hit these cities just once and my guess is most locals had not had any real exposure to the touring Grateful Dead. Copenhagen is the real outlier, two hits at the same venue and similar second set setlists.

    I always assumed they wanted to make a presence in Europe and knowing people were not as exposed in the US, wanted to paint a strong picture for each city.

    So 51 years later listening to the whole tour, there is lots of repetition. But if you were there then, it was all brand new. That's how I digested it. They wanted to hit Europe with a cohesive picture of what they were doing then not knowing when or if they would return.

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    Yeah they always went heavy on what was new. Guessing partly for their own sanity/interest, and partly for the crowds.
    Not unlike Taylor Swift etc: make an album, go on the road to support it, rinse and repeat…of course like most things, they weren’t that formulaic, thank goodness lol. Plus, they were smart enough to figure out that it’s better to work stuff out on the road BEFORE you go into the studio to record it, especially when you do constantly tweak and re-invent them. So this tour was perhaps a bit of both lol.
    Also, (think we’ve discussed before?) folks didn’t tour so much back then, probably not at all in 1972 Europe?
    So they didn’t have to worry about that like they did later on.
    Sometimes I think they, or someone, just really enjoyed certain songs, so played en more.
    I’d say they played less repetitive in some ways as the years passed and they had more and more songs to choose from.
    Ok, maybe not Bob, he seemed to need to play everything to death lol. Speaking of, why Me&My Uncle every night! I mean they just put it out on the last live album only a year before! With so much new stuff as the Dead, and from WM and AB, AND both Bob and Jers recent solo albums, why Bob, why LOL ; ) Perhaps trying to bring more American “culture”?
    As far as reinterpreting songs, I think they always did that, though some more than others and with various results.
    I guess that’s yet another thing dependent on the listeners taste and chever way yer pleasure tends…
    But I’d bet the biggest factor on this tour was trying to get at least one good useable version of all the new material since they purposely chose this methodology to get the new songs out on a new album. That and mix in some familiar stuff as you never want to do all unknown songs. I could tell ya a story about doing that lol

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    Finishing up as I write.
    Highlights: Dark Star, The Other One, Lovelight (Jerry!).
    The line-up for this festival is astounding. Woodstock level of mud too.
    DR, guessing you've heard Hawkwind's performance. Good?
    Cheers

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    Is that true, though, that there was more repetition of songs during the E72 tour than others in the late 60's and 70's?
    I haven't checked it out, but listening to shows, I always get a sense that they had a core group of songs that they leaned on during specific tours. It was the same listening to the 1973 box that has just come out. There weren't any shows that were wildly different from any other - possibly 6/10/73. That has a different feel than the earlier ones.

    That's not a criticism - the more they played specific songs - especially the ones incorporating jams, the better they got to know them and the more they were able to re-interpret them. Part of the ongoing mystery - especially from late 1971-1974. Maybe.

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    The make up show.
    Yeah 1stshow, there is definitely a looooot of repetition! Lol
    But yeah, all good, perhaps getting a little burnout, though I haven’t had a lot of good, sit down sessions.
    By necessity, some I’ve been just streaming on crappy work device, (or I’d be still doing this months from now and I’m getting itchy for some other Dead ) I’ve tried to hit those shows multiple times.
    5/13 was one, and another first time show.
    I thought it was a mostly well played show, especially considering it was another cold outdoor show.
    Loved JG joking about a movie and playing drive ins lol
    The PITB seemed a little different, and awesome! Oh, loved Pig making Europe sounding police sirens on the organ during the first spacey part of TOO, another beauty. Nice how their starting to work He’s Gone into the flow of the set.
    Don’t have my info here, but believe this might be the first show without a Good Lovin, which no offense, but I am getting burnt on. Have really been enjoying the other stuff, especially Hurts Me Too and Mr Charlie! And I need to learn the rest of the words to ChinaTown Shuffle as I can’t get the chorus outta my head lol.
    In fact slightly light on the grease, perhaps the chilly cold and being on the road, or maybe time limits? This show was a little shorter by E72 standards, more like a “normal” Dead show.
    Wonder if that was due to having to get back on the road, the cold, or…?
    Overall another great show, though if hard pressed I don’t think I’d include in top five or whatnot…
    Kudos to them though in spite of being less than ideal circumstances and this far into the tour etc

    Oh, I think the repetitiveness and lack of certain songs was totally by design.
    Always good to have as many good versions of songs to attempt to choose from. Nothing worse than wanting a certain song badly but only having a so so version…
    They had all those new songs they wanted to get out, or try to, so I can fully understand not doing too many other recently released songs.
    Making the album was a big part of the tour and after hating their studio stuff versus the great live albums, they were trying to make an album, but live in front of grooving people. Same sorta MO they did with In The Dark. Kinda surprises me they didn’t use this approach more often since it obviously worked so well for them.
    And perhaps unknown to some, but even though they played all tracks live, they did go back and clean up and/or sweeten some things in the studio afterwards, so really a sorta highbred album. Same with Skullfuck.
    Ok, on to 5/16/72 and a world radio broadcast!
    Onward!

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    Just started Bickershaw and it occurred to me that 12 shows into the tour there weren't all that many songs in the setlists from either Workingman's or American Beauty. A quick look to verify only found Sugar Mag and Truckin' from Beauty (whoops found a Brokedown too) and five out the eight from Workingman's with two of those played maybe once or twice in the tour. I knew going in to the full EU72 tour I was in for a lot of repetition in the setlists and having glanced at them beforehand saw the order of songs or placements were also similar, i.e. Casey Jones to end many a first set. So maybe knowing they were doing the album they did so many of the same ones to get a better shot at getting one that would be just exactly perfect for the album, more to choose from. Seems a bit opposite to their usual format of no format or you get what feels right that night. These shows are certainly not carbon copies by any means and I'm not complaining at all but just wanted to explore why they all sound a bit the same. Clearly some doing them all in a row impressions happening but not burnout at all. They are all just too good!
    Cheers

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    Where’s Waldo

    Errrrrr I mean Hendrixfreak?
    That’s just it, he was out and about in Montana and was supposed to be back end of August…
    Hopefully he’s just busy, wherever, and there’s no fuckery about?

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    I suspect that he is in the outback freeing his mind and prepping for the Fall equinox.

    Or maybe he went to Burning Man and is still stuck in the mud.

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    #Freethereels!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

I believe that was the decision, but I know GOGD is also jamming the 50th of 5/1/70 today.

This one seems to be missing the 2nd set, but it has 1 and 3, and sounds typical Charlie Miller awesome!
https://archive.org/details/gd1970-05-01.sbd.miller.95683.sbeok.flac16/…

I'm going with Dick's 5, as it was my suggestion, and one of my all-time favorites! Shakedown>UJB Reprise encore? Yes, please :)

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....starts off with Cold Rain & snow, C.C. Rider and Dire Wolf. No complaints so far!

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@VGuy - Dick's 5 12/26/79 is gonna rock!

@OTIS - Nice PICK bro!

Didn't mean to muddy the waters I just had to listen to some acoustic Dead to start my day, anniversary and all.. so I hopped that train.

But that next train be passing later today and I'll be hopping aboard it to join you all fo sure!

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Nice pick and, the best thing is it's Betty Board.

Starts off with CR&S you know it's gonna be Hot!! haha

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Now maybe I can catch up with all theses great picks!

Wait...every day is like a weekend.

Never mind.

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Hot DAMN!

"Alabama>Promised Land" should have ended more sets. Scorching!!!

What a wonderful set - incredibly strong playing throughout. Aside from the closing duo, I particularly liked the opening combo of "CR&S" and "CC Rider," the "Brown-Eyed Women," and Bobby's reading of "LLR."

Got some meetings to pretend to care about, so Set 2 will have to wait for a bit.

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the little brother in the Christmas story...trying to keep up with the bigger kids in his giant snow suite!
But I’m trying, lol

- 5/23&24/69 ✔️ Smoking! Got this a year or so ago. Gets lots of rotation...
RT 2.3 6/16&18/74: do not have yet. I’ve been catching up on the RTs I was missing as they were re-releasesing them regularly almost on schedule with Dave’s. Started at 4.5 and were moving forward until last year then it stopped for some mysterious reason? Started again this winter so I’m up, down, whatever to 3.2, but no news as to when they’ll do next one? This is a bummer because I’ve been drooling for all the volume 2s, which would of been out by now if they’d kept to their schedule. Doooaaaahhh! I have most of vol 1, and at least copies of everything except vol 2...did pick up Dicks 29 and 31 though. Have a copy of 31. Not a big 77 fan but most of 2 shows for $69, WTH....

RT 1.4 10/21&22/78 ✔️ Just went with the chop release, but easy enough with my trusty Album Player SW to put in correct sequence (including bonus disc material). This release is all over the place, but I mostly enjoyed it, and some parts, like most of 10/21 were fuggin ripping! Estimated, Mojo, TOO, and holy shit Batman, forgot how hot that Stella is, patches and all! The rest was ok, though I was preoccupied so maybe missed something. But 10/21 was a pleasant surprise as I don’t normally listen to 78 much. Nice pick, hadn’t heard in too long.
Oh, yeah, that Workd to Give >> A&A was awesome. That song has always been one of my favorite Jer tunes. Yes, it boggles the mind why they didn’t keep playing it? This and Believe it or not, though I like WTG better...I need to check out that 10/17 show as it gives me the “hot” vibe...

Also been sneaking in some E72 shows or at least the good parts. Looking forward to DP 5 12/26/79 today as I continue to sort through great piles of accumulated crap in the lower level. Hopefully get 4/29/72 in tonight on the big boy system. Definetly DP 8 5/2/70 tomorrow. Haven’t heard either of these Dicks in quite a while. Love them both so stoked. So enough rambling, let the tunes begin!
Rock on folks!

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I just got done with set 1 now I have to take a
break to put the fire out, that was blazing.

Takes a whole pail of water just to cool him down.

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I just got the Sting openers from Sam Boyd '93

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DiP 5 was one of the first of the series that I got, and I have been in love with it ever since. The heat of the first set is only enhanced over the course of the next two discs - every tune is a highlight for me. The track after Drums, labeled "Jam 2" is a trip! Sweet "Brokedown", rocking "Around>JGB" (another pairing they should have done more often) and then the awesome "Shakedown>UJB Reprise" encore - just an all around killer show.

This pick is a big reason why I consider the Fall/Winter of 79 to be a pinnacle in the band's illustrious career. Thanks for jamming to this one with me today, and...

Happy Friday, DeadLand!

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You talkin' to me? :)

All 3 nights? I'd like to hear those.

How was Sting at RFK.. you got to see Jerry jam with.

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I only got the last two nights at Sam Boyd and the second night at RFK so far they are from sbd and sbd-aud. The RFK is the one Jerry jammed on so I get to hear it now.

When I was at RFK '93 I unfortunately didn't go in for the openers. I only saw a few Dead show openers, CSN Buffalo '90, Little Feet Giants '91 and Steve Miller Giants '92.

ps. They sound good. Intermission music.
pss. I wish I could get them to you I can only go snail mail.

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Good to see you Oroborous! What burn out?

Bolo, what did you send Jim?

When is the next mind bending contest?

79 has a lot to offer, good pick. Would love to see this one remastered.

Peace folks!

FWB: Nice! I had to look for a minute, but I do have that 5/16/93 opening set after all.

RFK '93: Were peeps raving about it when you got there that Jerry jammed with Sting? Curious

That was trip seeing Donna Jean! She's funny. Bobby Weir and 7/2/89 next week Bro!

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Don't want to say, as I'm not sure he's opened it yet.

Another contest (perhaps) after the warm glow of receiving DaP 34 has subsided a bit.

Does anyone have Dave's #34 yet?

Mine still just says label created, which is not a good sign.

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'RFK '93: Where peeps raving about it when you got there that Jerry jammed with Sting? Curious'

I don't remember people saying much about it I don't think many peep's went in for Sting. I personally was a little worried that last night of the tour I hadn't planned on the RFK shows so I didn't have a plan on how I was going to get home after the show as I was hitch hiking that summer but, I new that I had friends there I tried for two days to find them to get a ride home. So I skipped out during Liberty on a last chance to find them in the lot it was like looking for a needle in a haystack so I started to go up and down the rows in the lot and I hear someone ask me If I would like a cold soda and here it was my buddy I was looking for I was so re-leaved I found them and was not stuck in D C.

Things always seemed to work out at the shows.

12/2679 remaster, I have the vinyl record of this show and that was supposed to be a remaster J. Norman

Have a goodnight everybody see ya tomorrow.

....we saw him the first night in Vegas '93. He was pretty good....Partied a little longer in the lot the second and third shows because we assumed they would be pretty much the same sets (which they were). Sting never sat in either.

FWB: that summer ‘93 story is great! Good times :)

DeadVikes - my tracking stayed shipping notified until today, looks like it might come tomorrow.. hang in there, it’s coming! :)

Reissue 5/2/70 now has CR&S said DL. (Remastered?)
I did not know that..

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There's a lil variety in those set lists, especially the 3rd night

Prob caught wind that he needed to try a little bit harder ;)

Race ya! Portland or Nevada... who gets there first?!?!

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....had focused listening to the first set @ work. Solid. Then phones and clients. Home now. Second set starting. Very familiar with this release, but never got tired of it.

....it was right there! Then they decided to make a left hand turn into a Caution Jam. That then faded into a Mojo jam? (echoes of 10.21.78 sans Lee Oscar's harmonica)....for a few seconds there, is it Stella or a rat in a drain ditch? Ditch it is.

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....good pick dude. Nothing Shaking on Shakedown Street. Ain't that the truth.
12.26.79 gets 8.8 out of 10 goonies.
Harpur College on tap. The cream.
Be safe people. Wash hands. Play Dead.

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Well, I'm ready when you are. In fact I've already listened to half of it.

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Poor Jim was probably sworn to secrecy by agent Bolo to never reveal what the prize was with threat of being put in front of firing squad.

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Thanks man!

The transition from U.J. into Estimated was perfect.

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Perhaps because the Dead are about to blow some college minds wide apart.

Dick's Picks 8, 50 years ago today. Acoustic set for breakfast - very nice indeed :)

Peace

.. sorry for the delay and for getting behind here. It all started a few days ago, when I got a parcel on my front porch addressed from:

Bolo24
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I didn't think much of it.. I set it aside in the part of the front porch where I let mail age for a couple to three days before opening. Then at some point yesterday I got to that stack of mail that had cleared the quarantine period, I opened the package. Now.. I live in a quiet neighborhood for the most part, but immediately upon opening I heard the sound of three large vehicles pull down the street and stop in front of my house. Turned out to be three Lincoln Navigators with dark shaded windows. I did glance briefly at the contents of the package, which was sparse. A change in skivvies, an n95 mask, some minimal food, water a gps device, a high def portable music player with a small graphic of the 5/2/70 Dicks Picks cover, a Visine bottle marked for emergency use only and a new passport with my picture and the name Henry Spencer on it.

After getting in one of the Navigators, we proceeded several miles away to a clearing. When I went to get out of the vehicle, someone placed an ether soaked rag over my face. I am just waking up now from a tranquil dream state, my bed, a thin layer of straw covering the dirt floor. The structure, privative with a thatched roof. There is a stump next to my sleeping space with some items on it including a small laptop with access to the internet somehow.. The bottle of Visine is now empty and I have this strange taste in my mouth. The portable 5/2/70 music player is there, I can hear running water in the background.. rapids of some sort and a small booklet that appears to be instructions. I can hear monkeys howling in the background, something must be going on and it's quite hot and humid here.

Reading the instructions now.. "....barely time to wait.., grab your stuff, put the headphones on, hit play don't forget your passport. Walk out the door ..now. Watch out for the monkey's they are not friendly....." The monkey's all stopped howling in unison, not a good sign. more to co

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Your the tops! Your the tower of Pisa, your the smile on the Mona Lisa...

I don't how you do it but, keep it up brother.

I got to get out today so stay safe and everyone have a great show.

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I Know You Rider, very spiritual ,
Kinda like that feeling I get when I listen to Iggy Pop. Just kidding.
Three set Grateful Dead was a rare bird . 1970 throw in NRPS and one had an awesome , exciting night of music.

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I got a head start on this in the wee small hours this morning, starting with the Dead acoustic set. I realize now this must be my favorite Dead acoustic set. Every rendition here is an all-time favorite. There may be more carefully played "Rider" 's but none more heartfelt and urgent. Well, the whole show is heartfelt and urgent. A half acoustic/electric "Cumberland" - perfect! The crowd is electrified by the "Friend of the Devil". Note the band's half-hearted reprimands when it ends.

Next, the spectacular NRPS set. I didn't realize before that Mickey was still their drummer at this show. It's a treat to hear Mickey as the sole drummer, and I think he's perfect for this music. Marmaduke's vocals are always good for the head. David Nelson's picking is right on point. (dang, I was supposed to see Nelson for the first time last month before the Covid Kabosh) Garcia is tearing it up on pedal steel, you can tell he's having a blast. Here again, the crowd is electrified. McDuke seems pleasantly taken aback by it - witness his exclamation of "far out" after Lodi.

Both sets have a good amount of Dead Freak screams from the audience - like the Aoxomoxoa St. Stephen screams. These are always a welcome addition to the proceedings. For me this cosmic cowboy music is just as deep and profound as the psychedelic electric stuff - next up.

p.s. Jim have you been watching Ozark, or something? :)

Hey y’all! Last night’s show on shakedown stream was a blast! What’s today’s pick? I need to clean my apartment and need some tunes!

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"We're going through some transitions. Our music is not what it was: it's continually changing. What we've been doing in the States lately is having like 'an evening with the Grateful Dead.' We start off with acoustic music with Bobby and I playing guitars, light Drums and very quiet electric bass. Pigpen plays the organ. Then we have a band we've been traveling with, The New Riders of the Purple Sage, where I play pedal steel, not guitar, Mickey plays Drums, and three of our friends from the coast, musicians that we've known for a long time, are fronting the band. So we start off with acoustic music and then The New Riders of the Purple Sage - it's like very snappy electric country-rock, it's kinda hard to describe - and then we come on with the electric Dead, so it keeps us all really interesting, and it's six hours of this whole development thing. By the end of the night it's very high." - Jerry Garcia speaking to Dick Lawson 5/24/70 - England

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For those of you looking for some extra credit on this fine Saturday, here is a link to the Charlie Miller transfer of this immortal show, which contains the full NRPS set and sounds WAY better than the only other version of that set that I can seem to find. It also has the full Dead show, in case some of you don't have the actual release.

https://archive.org/details/gd1970-05-02.138227.sbd.miller.flac1648

JimBo - Letting your mail age for a couple - three days... priceless! I hear the news contained therein gets a little smoother that way. Stay safe out there, and watch out for those monkeys!

Peace

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Tell ya all a Story -
At some point shortly after High School, I got a hold of the Mama Tried, Me & My Uncle & The Weight with Bobby Ace from Harpur College, I think it was from the Grateful Dead Hour in around ’88 (can’t confirm that) or maybe it was just filler on a tape. Anyhow, it wasn't properly labeled and didn't have a date, so it was kind of a mystery. When I heard the harmonies & pedal steel on Mama Tried, MAMU I was mesmerized, what is THIS!?! Then The Weight came on, a song I’d grown up hearing on the radio, so familiar and yet never like this. Is that Bobby & Jerry singing? Is this the Grateful Dead playing The Weight (not sure I even knew the song title). I listened to that tape over and over and over. It was unlabeled, there was no internet, I was just a high school kid in Ohio, didn’t have a good trading connection, got most of my “quality” stuff off GD Hour at that point, would sit in front of my tape deck and anxiously wait & look forward to it every week. I loved listening & thinking about that tape. The tape would remain a cherished mystery for years. At some point I lost the tape, and would think about it from time to time, I wonder where that was from? what the hell was that?…

Flash to today. Well all these years later, on it’s 50th anniversary, I can hear that “tape” in it’s proper context along with the most Amazing evening with the Grateful Dead.

What A Long Strange Trip it’s Been!

Grateful Dead coming on in about 10 - 15 minutes.. Thank you!

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If I had to pick just one Dead show to attend out of all the Dead shows ever played, this would be the one. Only gripe, I wish they would have played the full version of Candyman, like the killer version on 5/15/70. Love the Dire Wolf.