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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #2591
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    Any impressions I have on the music are based on my last listening - and are open to revision on my next one. Not really that healthy to see the same thing the same way twice. If you do, it might be time to move on to something else.

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    I always thought we aged well, like fine wine.

    With GD music I have learned not to trust my initial reaction of shows unless I really liked it. How much we like a show is so subjective.. your mood, the sound, distractions, is there an issue floating around in your brain that is consuming you.. something unresolved where you just cannot just let go. Some of these barriers are made smaller by mood enhancement, psychedelics tend to blow them up. But we are all human, what we get out of a show or a relisten depends largely on whatever is going on in our heads at the moment.

    In a way getting into a good show is like meditation. If you are under the influence of the trance, if you are able to let go completely and become absorbed it all clicks (or doesn't in those cases the show doesn't cut the mustard). If you cannot clear your mind you just don't know yet.

    Sorry for rant, this conversation reminded me of something very specific hard to explain.
    The last one I listened to or the one I play tomorrow are always the best ones.

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    I guess old guys

    shouldn’t multitask lol.
    Yeah I may have over generalized a bit on 8/24. My apologies.
    I still think JG takes a little time to? It’s not that he’s off, just not fully on, if that makes sense?
    Like Sugaree, ok, but it doesn’t sound like he’s fully on vocally. His solo in BIODTL is not tight either.
    The harmonies at the end of Bird Song are ruff on an otherwise great version. Someone hits a big clam on the end of Jack Straw. Mostly small stuff as there is no such thing as a perfect show, but add em up, and pile on the horrible chorus vocals on an otherwise decent Half Step, and I think there’s enough evidence that my previous discussion was at least worth consideration? I think the vocal mix is part of the problem, but think they have Betty’s so…

    Personally, the Dark Star alone makes it worth the price of admission, but I would think that folks with more 72 knowledge then myself could argue there are better choices! Which goes back to if there’s more great shows available than possible outlets/releases, then would some of these shows perhaps not be good enough, compared to other 72s?
    Ok, I guess I’ll compare the 25th next.

    EDIT: 25 miiight be a little tighter overall, but I still like the 24 better, hey a DS/Dew trumps most others ; )

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    Well, I’ll have to try it again?
    Definitely strong finish, I just felt like there were more worts etc early on then you’d expect from a release, and especially from 72., at least comparatively to the intensity, majesty, and near perfection of Europe, which is a pretty high bar to match.
    I’ll have to give er another spin, and then I should probably hit the 25 to compare, lol. One step up and two back!
    Was going to go with Dicks 26, the twofer from 69, but I guess that’ll have to wait?
    ONWARD!

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    Five dancing bears for this show. Strong show from start to finish. We get a nice Birdsong, end the first set with a Casey Jones. Early Miss Half Step, Truckin Dark Star Dew... really enjoyable. Sing me back Home OMSN and UJB. What a show. Would love to see it released.

    I think July and August 72 are both good months. A lot of good shows, I don't hear a let down at all. Check out 7/21/72 as an example, from the Paramount in Seattle, download series #10.

    Would love to see them release more shows, but they seem pretty set in their current pattern and I am sure it doesn't help when their box sets don't sell out like LTTR.

    We are supposed to crack 30 here today in MN, so need to get out and enjoy it.

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    Picked a little at this because of Oro.

    Not sure what "copy" of this I have, but it's top shelf. Listening to Dew, GREAT recording, GREAT I tell ya!

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    Oro-I've always had that feeling, that summer 72 is a bit of a lull between the twin peaks of Europe and Fall.

    I like that idea about future boxes too-a few cherry picked shoes from a year then all the rest in a big box. It would be nice to see a change of pace ( an accelerated one, obviously!) in the way shows are released. I think the times call for it

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    I had it on cassette and really liked it. Thus, (and wrongfully so) I was disappointed when Dave picked 8-25-72 for release.
    So I’m listening to 8-25-72 now.
    This weekend I’m planning on processing some torrent files and will get 8-24-72 into the system of audio formats and HD’s, and will then give it a listen.

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    2/24/74: yep, one of my top Dave’s favs, Skeletor Skater, right up there with the Scooby Doo house!
    I didn’t partake though as I’m going to wait and follow 42 with it when it comes. “Anticipa-a-a-tion, it’s making me wait”.
    8/24/72: as much as I bitched about why did he not pick this one etc when DaP 24 came out, I can now maybe see why. This one starts out, good, but perhaps not necessarily the finely balanced starship of early 72? Is it me, or is summer 72 kinda a no man’s land of 72? Good, but not great comparatively (to the rest of 72? ) Perhaps just a tad mellower?

    But as is often the case, they eventually start shifting gears and into the second set really get hold of the old Spockein mind meld. Even DG gets better after a shaky start. Suppose it’ll get released someday, just wonder how?
    I mean we’re getting to the point where at the current lumbering pace, there’s only going to be so many more shows released. Say double what we’ve already received? Now that’s a decent output, but when/if you start to really look at things, you can start to wonder how many of these good, but perhaps not great shows, will get chosen instead of some great ones?
    Now before y’all gather a lynch mob, look at it this way. Think about how many 72 shows will actually see the light of day, a relatively small number?, Then think about how many great or good ones there are left, and you can see they probably won’t all be resealed. So that means the coach has to make cuts cause there’s only so many uniforms.
    So that becomes the uncomfortable part, who’ll make the team and who won’t, at least based on past choices etc?
    Now multiply the same scenario of X shows over other Prime years, and perhaps you can understand the logistics, and why I wonder if some of these shows will get out or not?
    So with that logic, I wouldn’t necessarily pick this as a single release compared to X number of other 72s, but I could see it included in some kind of box package? That HAS been an MO, package some B, B+ shows in with some A+ etc.
    I guess the point I’m trying to get at is, if ya crunch the numbers, this dribbling out single shows with one smallish box a year means questionable choices/cuts are going to get made, and a lot of good stuff will not get out, based on taper bias.
    Yes, Fortunately we have streaming options, but why not get a little more aggressive: why not drop what’s left of certain years with perhaps limited worthy/available shows in one fell swoop i.e., say he saves/pulls one or 2 p, or 3 single release worthy shows from 74 and then releases what’s left in a 74 box. Boom, one big year complete. Rinse and repeat with say 68, 69, 76, 77, Save a few big appropriate choices from those choice years to save/have for DaP etc, to doll out, but drop the rest of the best from each year, that doesn’t have a ton of unreleased available shows?
    You could probably also do the same with the later years eventually? But The rest of the years/stuff, who knows what or if anything will happen?
    Sure some of these might get big and pricey, but not everyone will want say a big 77 box. But the freaks who really dig 77 would love it. Some might grumble about the cost, but most of the truly 77 faithful would do it.
    That way the rest of folks, some who might feel they have enough 77, could still get a cherry picked couple of 77s Ala DaP, but could skip the mass release. This would free up more single and other pics and boxes for more variety AND to help ensure that some of these good/great “borderline” picks don’t get skipped over for more headscatchers.

    Like 8/30/83, is a GOOD show, (you should check it out DV), but is it a top pick for 83, and thus release worthy? I think this is the taper bias problem again. Many shows are picked because at one time, that was one of the few from that time that had a good tape! So we’re picking today, because of limited choices/tapes from the past, instead of which shows are best, if that makes sense? How could a truly fantabulas show be great, if no one’s heard it?
    How many times have we checked out an unknown show here on POT Day, that blew us away, but that relatively no one’s ever heard of?
    With the archive and the huge amount of shows that ARE now available, why are we still picking shows based on the limited knowledge/tapes available forty years ago?
    Best illustration of this: 5/8/77. Great show to be sure, but best ever? I think if folks had the internet and access to better quality tapes BITD, maybe Cornell would be considered differently? But since there was no net, and it was one of the few great tapes of a great show, the legend/myth grew?
    Just a theory, sorry to ramble, but it’s the one thing about this culture I don’t like, taper bias!
    Hey HF ain’t the only one with theories! ; )

    Ok, going 6/25/92 just cause…

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    Another one of my personal Summer/Fall '72 favorites.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

If we are going to do 11/8/69, I am going to have to carve out the requisite amount of time like we did Saturday.. no distractions, no cell phones, no texts, no questions, no one tapping me on my shoulder.. and not the dreaded words, "one more thing" .. and of course get in the proper frame of mind beforehand.

Honestly.. these two shows, add in 2/14/68, 2/13&14/70, sprinkle in FW 69 for good measure and I have taken a liking to 1/2/70 + Bonus disc and an honorable mention for what I think of when I want to get in the transportation business.

Boy does listening to these shows take a lot out of you.. perhaps that's why they wrote AB & WMD.. to slow things down just before we careened off that cliff and into mental oblivion.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 05/04/2020 - 14:55

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GMLSG sounds as smooth as butter,,,

re, Well... I just hit play but, I paused it. Jim, when is a good time for you I'll wait??

The planets seem perfectly aligned this Thursday. That seems enough time to plan.

That will give us some time to switch things up too.. play around the calendar, pick shows from different periods too.

Does that give us enough time to plan?

That's a pretty nifty number ya got there!

I am all for Dick's 16, but if we need to pause on it to soak up Jai-Alai, I get that too. Let's keep this thing going! I am all for GD from any era!

Today was a good day for 74 Dead around here. Shortly after my early morning Dave's 34 was delivered (at 6:30 am!) I got another package from Real Gone containing Dick's 31, which I looked into after all of the discussion around these parts.

I hope I don't over do the 74 stuff - wait, I don't think that will ever happen.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 05/04/2020 - 16:19

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....and the sound is already impeccable. And to quote Bobby "Its the real thing".
Just like Billy Sunday in a shotgun ragtime band. This pick came at the right time.

We can pause while the WOS gently peels the plaster from our ceilings.

Whatever works.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 05/04/2020 - 21:07

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Okay on the pause for the Picks. I will keep my own going tomorrow as my #34 is still in CA.. Okay, no whining here, that gets old.

Oh yah I might have chased a couple women around..., the waiting is the hardest part.

Week eight of this crap, be well people.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 05/05/2020 - 05:05

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No problem all good. Those who have received the 34 happy listening!

"New ones coming as the old ones go"

Alright, sounds like the Pick of The Day is in hold pattern as we wait for & listen to the Pick of The Dave.

#34 to be exact - 6/23/74 & 6/22/74 Bonus Disc

Roger that.

I'll proceed accordingly...

Sherman set the Wayback machine to June 1974, we're going to listen to the Wall of Sound.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Tue, 05/05/2020 - 06:52

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I love the overlap of old ( psychedelic ) & new ( country/workingmans ) . It’s the palindrome 69 major phase shifting. The sound of small venues compared to larger halls or outdoor concerts all have different ambience . Same goes for instruments ( Jerry’s guitars) . Gibson SG in 1969-70. A whole slew of different axes in 1971. Wall of Sound 1974, with Doug Irwin Wolf Guitar.
Suggesting different eras of GD has been educational, even heard / seen fresh, and in 2020. Who would have known fifty years ago.

RE: STRIDER 88

Interesting observation and I believe you've tapped into something.

Hypothesis:
Does inspiration then lead to a love of learning?

I would venture to guess.. Yes!

Prediction:
Being inspired by Grateful Dead music, if I listen to the Grateful Dead from many eras over and over and over, through the course of many days and years, I'll want to learn more and will be loving it!

Test Prediction:
Continue listening to lots and lots of Grateful Dead from many different eras and discuss with friends.. ad infinitum

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 05/05/2020 - 07:36

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Perfect timing. I got an amp and speakers on the way. Had to take advantage of the 30% offer. I got the speak's for half price and ac line filter for free. I'll be putting off listening to 34 till I get set up.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 05/05/2020 - 08:45

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Carson, CA 5.5.90. 30th anniversary.My final Brent shows.
https://archive.org/details/gd1990-05-05.141262.sbd.miller.flac2496/05S…
Rumors were rampant these shows that Timothy Leary was backstage dosing everyone. The band does sound "fat and juicy", so I can see where it could be true. Phil was turned WAY up.
I remember hanging out with some hare krishnas after the show eating free rice.

Strider...I think Jerry started playing a strat at some gigs in 1969, and on through 1970, as well as the mighty SG. This always seemed to me to be a signifier of the bands gradual shift to a more country based sound. As you indicate, they could still turn on the psychedelic power in 1969 and 1970 - but the times they were a changing .

Whew.. saved from an 11/8/69 induced nervous breakdown.

Edit: Saved for now. It's always the bats that start these things. Well, a melty PITB, then the bats. Look out for Dark Star>The Other One>Dark Star's too. A sure sign that society is in collapse.

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Submitted by simonrob on Wed, 05/06/2020 - 07:00

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Bats have got themselves a bad reputation lately. Hunter knew it long ago.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Wed, 05/06/2020 - 09:40

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DaveRock , I can only go on photographs before 1970. I believe you’re correct, Jerry would use a strat for some late 69-70 songs. Of the ten times I saw them in 1970 I only remember the Gibson SG. 1971 was all over the map. Starting with seeing the SG my last time same night as Mickeys last show 2/18/71. The next few nights was the peanut Alembic experimental . By April Jerry was playing a Les Paul and then the peanut some nights. First time I saw Jerry play a Fender Stratocaster was at the Felt Forum 12/4/71. Then 2-3 strats through 72/ 73. The Wolf was a real game changer.
This is a fresh way of listening the good ole Grateful Dead.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 05/06/2020 - 11:41

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Strider...I am only going off photographs of course-I have nothing like the first hand experiences you are talking about. It must have been amazing to see them in 1970-1971-truly a mythical time. The photos I remember of him with a strat in 1969-70 are mainly in the Taping Compendium. Jerry is holding a sunburst strat in the picture accompanying the Feb 70 shows.
Its always interested me which guitars he played at shows-and Bob too, to a lesser extent. I watched the Festival Express dvd a few weeks ago, and Jerry is jamming with...a band who's name escapes me...but he is playing a tele. I don't think he played one of those very often.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/06/2020 - 11:44

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Good call Daverock, I need to watch that this weekend

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/06/2020 - 14:30

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Thanks for joining in on this one Vguy and Jim. Loved the cover last night Vguy. Recording is Multi Track excellence as all these shows are. Have not listened to this show in maybe three years. Of the three Omni shows, I usually pull 4/3/1990, maybe because of that glorious Shakedown opener.
Anyway, Vguy, agree with you on this show. Great first set, with a great Althea, to Lay me Down, Music Never Stopped. Even the Victim is good. China Rider, what did that guy say last night about Ship of Fools??
Great Truckin, Stella, Sugar Magnolia and one of favorite encores, It's All Over Now Baby Blue. Great show.

Check it out if you have not listened in a while.

Be well all!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 05/06/2020 - 15:29

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....Victim -> Lay Me Down -> MNS is solid. Raucous Sugar Mags. And who doesn't like a Baby Blue? I know this guy does!

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Submitted by carlo13 on Wed, 05/06/2020 - 16:09

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I'm half way through 4/1/90. Althea was playing on our boombox at a motel room at an airport at the giants show in '89 with my friends. Like anyone would care.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Wed, 05/06/2020 - 16:14

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He called us fools talking about potholders and other normal things. Strange.

I didn't make it through the whole show.. but made it beyond the Victim/Lay Me Down. Let it be known I LOVE To Lay Me Down, but the Victim was so much better ( a song I don't normally adhere to).

Anyway.. just had to comment. Not coherent enough to add much more than that.

Who's fucking idea was it to watch Festival Express anyway.. a great yet terrible idea all at the same time. Thank god nobody drives cars anymore. My liver and my lungs both suddenly hurt both at once.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Thu, 05/07/2020 - 06:25

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Man, it was HOT down there!

Anyway, just catching up. I did dabble with disc 2 of Dick's 16 the other night... that is some mind-altering stuff. It looks like yesterday was 4/1/90 - just started "Touch" now.

Today is Three from the Vault? Sounds good to me :)

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 05/07/2020 - 07:34

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Sounds grate, and it’s not even Plangentized.

Smokestack Lightning! Grease it up.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 05/07/2020 - 08:36

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I’m there. And was there.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Thu, 05/07/2020 - 12:18

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I loved that Omni show! I didn't get either of the Spring 90 boxes, so this show was new to me (at least for a good, quality sit-down and listen.) I LOVED it! The band is so hot, Brent in particular was on fire, the Bobby tunes rocked, and there were so many high-quality Jerry ballads. I mean, a show that has a "Candyman" "To Lay Me Down" "Ship of Fools" "Stella Blue" AND "Baby Blue" - c'mon... all played very well too!

Just started on 2/19/71 - the first Billy-solo show. Was this chosen to celebrate Billy's b-day? Good choice! I haven't listened to this one in a while!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 05/07/2020 - 13:11

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I remember from 2/19/71 was, “where’s Mickey?”. Was disappointed at the beginning of the show. The level of musicianship had greatly evolved since 1967 or last time as five piece. They blew the roof off the Capitol Theater that night. Jerry played his Alembec experimental “peanut” guitar for the first time on 2/19 and continued to play it the next several nights.I went Thursday through Sunday nights. I vaguely remember Weir commenting on Sunday as it being slow. As I remember it was sold out all nights. Unlike November 1970 shows in Port Chester when I could buy tickets night of the shows at the box office. Fillmore East was harder to get Dead tickets and February 71 shows sold out in hours . I bought tickets by getting in line at 5 am on a December (1970) Saturday morning. “What’s become of the baby that cold December morn”. Blair Jackson was in that same ticket line. 70/71 was quite the phase shift. Keep em guessing.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 05/07/2020 - 14:14

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Strider...do you remember much about the ESP experiments at these shows?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 05/07/2020 - 14:38

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Nice pick Conekid!.
Always thought it was odd this came out in 2007 and with no real explanation why it took so long to get it out.

Great recording with A+ sound quality. Really good Truckin, Dark Hollow, China Rider. Really liked the Greatest Story, early Bird Song. Did somebody say, Easy Wind? This was great and I wish this got more play as well as New Speedway Boogie.
Great finish!

Strider, you were there, really cool.

Good to see you here Oroborous, I thought a Spring 1990 pick might peek your interest.

Otis, as a huge Brent fan, you should consider the Spring 1990 box sets. Highly recommend.

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 05/07/2020 - 15:11

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I think this is the thread where Jim mention Victim -> Lay Me Down (1990-04-01). I'm a huge fan of Victim, this is a great one. I think this is the depths that, Just a Little LIght, Blow Away, Foolish Heart (if Jerry could remember words when he came out of jam :-) ) could have reached. Picasso Moon probably didn't have much too go! :-) But I really like a good Corinna.

Great Victim though, thanks for pointing it out.

Is there a better "Just a Little Light", than Dozin' at the Knick? Come on? Is there? Just took it off , best.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 05/07/2020 - 15:44

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Only that it was a random image , not all the time. I do remember Bob and Betty being set up on a side balcony booth. Saturday night was the major rave up night. NRPS finishing their set w Honkey Tonk Woman and the crowd going bonkers, balcony shaking. Weir, Pigpen and Pigs girl friend Veronica watched the end of the NRPS set from back stage right, Bobby shaking his head as if to say”tonight’s the night”. Highlights from 2/19 for me are Smokestack Lightning. Jerry’s use of the Alembec experimental peanut guitar looked amazing after he used his Gibson SG the night before. The peanut guitar was very small in its size but belted out a sweet big sound that was especially evident during Johnny B Goode, that had most of the audience up dancing. A few people at my high school would go one night only , but I was completely consumed.
Too bad there are not many (any)more 1970 tapes. Anything from either 1970 or 1971 is no less than spectacular .