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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #4411
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    I got busy and missed the 21st....

    ....life sometimes gets in the way.
    Happy Birthday to Vince. 🍻

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    Moving right along, 2/21/71

    2/21
    Overall, Relaxed, but in a good way..

    The question with these 71 shows for some of us less initiated is; why? Why no more jams, short country or country like songs, etc....why did they stop doing what the proverbial “I” liked (think early 69).
    Why, because it’s actually what they need and wanted to do! Lesson here perhaps is to not compare too much between different “dead’s”, but consider what dead THEY were at or after, at that time? The tunes, the length, the tone and style, the AUTHENTICITY they seemed to continually be after with most different styles, sometimes completely so.
    So the trap is to not compare styles, or apples to oranges, but rather concentrating on how well they assimulated and perfected the style du jour! Of course it all ended up gumbo style, flavoring the whole.
    What ever their current focus, identity or style, without being over the top, they would throw themselves totally into, while always maintaining just a bit of the “old” former styles, until it was time to go furthur, and try something else. That trying to avoid the whole closed in thing JG speaks of...think how much they, especially JG, would delve/deep dive into some of these styles;
    Blues
    Psychedelic
    Folk, Americana
    Jazz, free form, just to name a few...and now shoot em up, straight ahead Bakersfield country bar rock. Yee haw pass me a longneck and let’s get rocking!

    Cold Rain &Snow opener, followed by a Bobby McGee; tight, but JG hits a few clams, though he has nice feel.
    Loser: well played, already not like a new song, except JG solo, still searching for the sound there...
    Easy Wind: prime grease, and though he flubs, he actually recovers nicely and improvs outta it. Nice solid, relaxed jam, no ones in a hurry, JGs on now, nothing stratospheric, just G.O. 71 GD!
    Playing in the Band: progressing, Phil better every version? See now why they didn’t use any of these shows for Skull Fuck; probably wanted some of the new material on the live album but most of these just weren’t there yet compared to the versions they did use from April...
    Luckily we get the multi-track snapshots of this historic little run anyways...Sure we’ll get more... : )
    Bertha: progressing nicely. more of the nice relaxed energy versus forced. ....and then....damn tuning.
    Eventually, the advent of tuners was a blessed event for them as well as us!
    But in the mean time, ahem.
    Nice if perhaps apprehensive electric version of Ripple with nice harmonies, including Phil, whom I haven’t noticed so much this run? You can feel the confidence build with the music and with the energy of the crowd.
    Lied Cheated: : after perhaps stepping outta their comfort zone a tad, it’s back with some solid straight up, bacon, no chaser! Again that relaxed, confident, comfortable, we own this shit and thus are in no hurry vibe.
    Same with another nice countrified Sugar Mag.
    Greatest Story: still not fully entraining on this one. Not bad for a new tune though, but another example of the infancy of some of these tunes..
    Interestingly, it seems like Garcia’s songs are a bit tighter and more formulated with the band then Bobs new songs...
    Nice one 2 punch with rocking JBG to close the set. Rocking, but still that nice in control, what I’ve been calling relaxed vibe, not the frantic, slightly unsteadiness sometimes found

    China Cat/Rider: Phun Phil messing with the intro! before they slid into by now an old regular, Really feeling like this version of the band is better served by one drummer. Just as I believe the psychedelic stuff was better with 2 drummers. Nice solid, familiar versions of these including nice Phil harmonies.
    Bird Song: smooth and getting smoother by the version.Blows me away that this is only the fourth version!
    And it’s got a Cumberland, a second set Cumberland!, though that wasn’t really a thing back then, but boy it’s just right for typing! More settled in/relaxed vibe.PROPER!
    King Bee: please pass the napkins cuss there’s a grease hog buzzin’ around my brain! And just like that they tap back into the blues band of yore. And the folk band with, BIODTL by request? is another by now fun, old chestnut. It’s like they’ve done the heavy lifting by this point on a “Sunday” and are just having fun cruising now on some familiar, so easier terrain toward their day off?
    RAT; well, maybe not just yet..though by this point it doesn’t sound new. Besides Bob being a little outta tune, it’s pretty damn tight! Another that blows me away knowing this is only the fourth version. Diggin the stand alone versions too.
    Trucking: amusingly starts a little slow but they quickly bring up to the M.O. that is this evenings nice relaxed, smooth vibe. A band comfortable with who they are and where there going.
    Cool to think several of these Working Mans/AB tunes aren’t really all that old on this night, but already sound like tight old classics.
    HA! New York’s got the ways and means, but just won’t let you be, makes me think of ole Strider able to have the means to just hop on the subway, and no big deal head down to the Capitol, but almost gets jumped in the alley!
    More of the nice “status quo” of many of the above, on Casey J., and of course got ta keep on moving on up and pushing’ on. Pig Fest!
    Like y’all have had your drinks, appts.,soups and salads, but now it’s time for the main corse..the greasy BBQ simmered to fine perfection by this point in time! (I can see BTK drooling out there ; ) ready for some Cherry pie now!
    And then, like a 80s brokedown to close a run on a Sunday, a nice UJB, unfortunately marred by the damn tuning issues. It must of been really frustrating to be so hampered, but such was life back then. Guess that’s downside of not hiding behind a wall of distortion like many other guitarist of the time.
    When I first heard this show when released last year, I hadn’t heard any of these shows except the 19th. But now that we’re going in order, it fits in just right in the overall flow. Nice Sunday, relaxed, confident, feeling of achievement? Like we did what we had to do, now we get a day off, then 1,2, end of the run and onward.
    I’d have a tough time picking wether I liked this one better than the 18th, but I liked it more than the 20, but not as much as the 19th? So far...
    Like the band, I’m ready for a day off. Might not listen to any dead at all tomorrow to keep my reference inside this run, but allow a cleanse elsewhere...
    But really looking forward to the last 2 on Tuesday and Wednesday as I’ve never heard either.
    Until then amigos!

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    Agreed Oro

    2 20 is ok, not stratospheric

    2 23 71 is stratospheric

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    Another fine show but it didn’t quite...? It seemed just a pinch....less? Words aren’t working, it’s a feeling...maybe I was influenced by Bobs opening Hangover comments, cause that’s how it felt (projecting my own experiences); they killed it the night before, now settled in after two big shows, breaking out 7 new tunes, whilst dealing with inter organizational turmoil, it’s Friday night, their in NY, after the big show they relax a tad and blow off steam, perhaps a lot of steam, only to find themselves right back up there before ya know it in a mere few hours and well, time to go to work boys!
    It’s subtle, but they seem to have to ease into it slightly, versus turbo charged on all cylinders out the gate?
    They start out ok, but the first part of the first set their not quite there yet, good, but not great; a little slop, more tuning issues I.e., Bob in Loser...Bertha and Playin perhaps sound more like new songs then the first two versions. Hard to Handle, similarly to 2/18 is again good, but not quite the preacher come to meetin’ fire and brimstone compared to say some 70 versions?
    But by Bird Song they seem to be settling in, like after that first drink/joint and a few tunes under the belt, and away we go. Big Boss then into a nice Cryptical suite, if not the big launchpad it would become, a good rendition of the times I.e., Skull Fuck etc, and they seem to have shook off the cob webs. Another good rookie outing of the Rat, followed by a nice Maggy closer. In some ways I like these Sugar Mags not being the full drawn out beast it could become. They have that more country flavor and like many of these songs, that sorta short and sweet vibe. Like Doc says of these early Bird Songs.
    I guess I’d call the second set “status quo”, not in a bad way, just typical songs, played according to the times.
    Perhaps some of my feelings about this are situational? Though i might of been influenced by the drop in audio quality from those first two official releases with all that voodoo, I did listen to most of this on the big system versus the first 2 we’re mostly on the lesser living room zone.
    Not sure why it’s nagging me to come up with “words” but I can’t, just a feeling. A good show, but I’d take the bling and set list of the first night, and 2/19 overall, so far...
    This is where doing the whole run comes in. If I hadn’t moved in order, I might have felt different about this one, so I’m sure much of my “feeling” was influenced by the previous two...
    2/21/71: back to the multitrack full treatment goodness!
    Onward!

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    It was as high energy as I remember being there. I do remember during the end of the New Riders set while they were playing Honky Tonk Woman the crowd was going wild, Bob Weir, Pigpen and Veronica Barnard ( Pigs girlfriend) stood backstage on the right side checking out scene. Bobby was shaking his head in the affirmative. The balcony used to shake during the more rocking songs. 2/21/71 tonight.

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    Much like George Foreman.. all my kids (and turtles) are named Charlie Miller.

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    Capitol Theatre- How cool does Phil's bass sound

    That's all. Bob t

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    2.20 relisten options....

    ... I just closed my eyes and picked one.
    Shall we go??

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    Miller High Life

    Both seem ok? I listened to parts of Loser from all four, think the fourth is better than the first, and the third is better still, but the levels are low so I’m going with the Miller. It seems to breath a bit more in the High end like you said, more clear/transparent, the ole difference between a clean window and a dirty window...I.e., you can hear the crowd trying to clap along at the start of Loser better...though the Miller does have some artifacts, but as you say it hsas the Mark just as plain as day, so will hedge our proverbial bets on that horse!
    Sounds like somebodies still hungover LOL

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    What's Become Of The Betty's

    Speculating:
    To my ears the 2006 Betty's circulating sound like some Dolby application happened (says Dolby A)
    the 2011 CM doesn't mention any Dolby info.
    Possibly same original source just different transfers.
    Charlie would know for sure ;)

    EDIT: Could be a personal pref thing, comparably they both sound good. I'm not sure I have the pro jargon for what I'm hearing. But I guess I would say, Miller has more high end / dynamics. But curious how would you describe it?

    EDIT2: Now I'm worm holing, but almost sounds like the 2006 is close to clipping as well and potentially a pitch correction needed. Now I'm really curious to hear what you hear ;)

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 19:47

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....12.27.79 was the show where Jerry forgot an entire verse of China Doll. It happens. Not dissing Garcia. Just proud of my recollection. Grate show. Grate Terrapin to end.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 21:16

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The return of China Rider!. Terrapin!
Would love to see some of these older releases remastered, although this is very unlikely to happen.

Where have you gone Bolo?

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 03:47

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Speaking of which, how about an old-fashioned Saturday doubleheader assignment in the hopes that we may actually see some baseball being played one of these days? I'm getting a little tired of watching games from 10 years ago, especially since I bet on the outcome and still lose!

So, Weir's "Ace" album (Saturday is the 48th anniversary
of the release date) and Garcia's first solo effort? A good set of headphones highly recommended for this listen. PITB on Ace is an absolute tour de force - the quiet section coming out of the jam is pure sonic butter. And the pedal steel work by Jerry on his album is some of the finest ever recorded, IMO.

Hope y'all are in good health. Stay safe as we ease back into "real" life, or some semblance of it.

48th Anniversary Weir & Garcia Double Header Saturday sounds fun.

Sounds like good music to come down on after friday's 5/15/70 50th Anniversary Trip!

Not seeing a pick for today, so I'm gonna pop in 5/13/72 this AM to get the anniversary theme trip started.

What about you all?

Mine arrived yesterday, so that was my pick of the day followed by another run through High-Life Frodo.

So, 5-11-77 and/or 12-29-77 for today.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 07:19

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The Garcia/Weir doubleheader is a great idea. I've never spent much time with either album, even though I know I should love both. Also, I just got a pair of quarantine-headphones and this will be a good opportunity to give them a run. And a 5/15/70 friday -very sweet.

....I can't recall the last time I cranked Ace. Forgot BT Wind had horns. LOL. It's a good record to turn to 11. Garcia's 1st and 5.13.77 to follow. Then 5.13.72 if time allows. In that order.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 08:17

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Yo bro, you're supposed to save Ace & Garcia double header for Saturday...

Start cranking 5/13/77... and then 5/13/72 today;)

BTW I listed to 2/11/89 I had those Drums marked with 4 stars from back in the day.. I bet that helped you along in your situation!!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 08:21

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....you're correct GOGD. Changing course. Inputing coordinates.
edit....let's throw Mickey's Rolling Thunder in the Saturday mix as well!!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 08:28

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Roger, just want to keep you on course my friend, gotta keep the travelers traveling in the right direction.

Edit: Doh, The Thunder Machine is broken over here, I need the Thunder, Hmm...

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Submitted by Elbow49 on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 09:37

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I don’t always keep current here but have we ever had a consensus as to who Bolo24 is?

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:07

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What, is the question!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:24

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75-minute work phone call.

Now it’s 61 with blue sky and sun, and my dog wants to go outside and pee on all the neighbor’s mail boxes.

So, I’m going to wait for 5-13-77 until later today when happy hours start.
Sorry for the false start.

Anyway, people have been mentioning about recording the GD Hour as a source of cassette recordings. I only had one tape of GD Hour (I wanted full shows, even if the sound quality wasn’t as good) and it was a partial of 5-13-77, which included the Jerry solo/noodling and Other One. I was never able to find a tape of the whole show in good sound quality, so I was pretty happy when the Box came out.

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Submitted by CaseyJanes on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 13:48

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Bolo24 is Bolo24...of course!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 14:10

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Happy hours have started.

I going with a giant Mojito, which is a Mojito made in a 1-liter Paulaner Octoberfest mug, and sitting in the sun on the deck. It’s 65 and sunny now, was snowing last Saturday.

Woo Hoo!

You don't have to twist my arm to listen to this show. Of the two Chicago shows, this one kicks ass.

Bob T, regarding the banter before TMNS, are we missing some of the banter in the official release? Pretty soon we will a full band here. Dr. Shot, DR. Beechwood. So great.

Man, these guys had fun, that much is for sure.

Yes, just loved the way they played Jack A Roe in May of 1977.

Love the FOTD, finish the set with the Scarlet Fire! Come on.

Second set later.

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 14:44

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Bolo? Bolo is the person that makes little kids smile and giggle. Bolo is the person who strikes fear into the hearts of evil doers. Some say Bolo comes like the light of the morning. And like a wind, they have a name; Bolo. Around the fire at night, folks will speak of the time they met Bolo. Some in worried whispers. They're the person who gave Jerry a drink of water after an incredibly hot Fire on the Mountain. This one I know is true because I was there. Where ever you find a person looking for a “miracle” ticket, Bolo is there. Wherever a person is hungry Bolo is there with a soy burger. When you’re setting up camp the night before the big show and realize you forgot the coasters for your beer, Bolo is there. When you’ve hitchhiked for 2 days in the rain, that person that picked you up and handed you the fatty; Bolo. Bolo is an elemental being, hanging for a while in the flux between then and now. Most will be better for the chance encounter and probably will not realize who they just met.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 15:58

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I am not entirely sure who or what Bolo24 is. The only thing I am sure of is.. is that he is the one with the Nuclear Codes.

A bit of related trivia.. they only just recently released the identify of Bolo23.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 17:00

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Vguy ups the ante this weekend with Rolling Thunder? I'm in! I've never really listened to that one but it's some of our favorite San Francisco hippies in Mickey Hart's barn circa 1972 - what could go wrong? Surprised to see it's still available on iTunes.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 18:13

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Dark Star, and you get to hear Weir say "Thanks a whole hellav a lot" after he gets hit with a cup before encore??? Also a smoking Not Fade Away into an awesome Going down the Road... If we are burned out from Jai Alai Fronton I get it.... Bob t

Holy shit Bob T! Yes, for sure.

I have only listened to Dave's 34 once and it is really good. Such a unique show.

The MT May show from 1974 is probably now the second best 74 Dave's Picks released.

74 is so good. Certainly wish some of the early Dick's and RT trips were not complications but most of them are still so good. I get why some don't like going past 74.....
Anyway, for Friday we should try to do something other than an anniversary show......
How about 7/17/76?? Dave's #18, with bonus disc, with 7/16/76.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 10:34

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Now your talking. Have to spend time in the stereo room/office today so perfect, I can listen on the big boy system!
Finally did 5/7/72 a coupe days ago and wow I had forgotten what a beast this show is. Their ripping the whole show and man what a grease fest! The DS is good too, but I still like 5/11/72 better. Finally got to that yesterday. I don’t think the first half of the show is as good as others, but the last half is hard to beat, and I’ve akways had something for that DS....I had the loveliest time listening last evening; the light at that time of day, the sound and treats all dialed in, just a wonderful little respite from the current madness. A few hours of bliss. Dug it so much I stayed a little longer and broke out most of V2 Disc 2. Vault 2 has always been a favorite; awesome TIFTOO, New Potato and that monster Phil Jam....remember the first time I heard that, total mind fuck!
So yeah, I’m in for 5/14/74 today, thought all y’all were doing 5/15/70 tomorrow? and the three solos on Saturday?

I think that the plan was to listen to 5/15/70 tomorrow - Road Trips 3.3. It was mentioned by someone earlier in the week, then seconded by a number of other folks.

That being said, I am all for 7/17 and 7/16 1976 - 7/16 is my birthday, and I happen to love that release! As tomorrow is a Friday, perhaps we can squeeze in both, or save the 76 show for Saturday.

Peace

Edit: Oh yeah, Ace, Garcia, and Rolling Thunder are already lined up for Saturday... folks are jumping on dates early round here! :)

....Is in full swing.
They Played a lot of good shows on this date. This Vegas one was good.
https://archive.org/details/gd1993-05-14.140129.sbd.miller.flac2496
Was at this show. People got struck by lightning in the lot. Good times.
They also played this nifty show at the Greek Theatre in 1983. Good Rango Aud cleaned up by Miller.
https://archive.org/details/gd1983-05-14.fob.sonyecm220t.keshavan.mille…
Merramec Comm College 1970. This includes the NRPS set.
https://archive.org/details/gd1970-05-14.sbd.warner-evans.28716.sbeok.f…
Yes. May 14th delivers.
The Montana Scarlet -> Roses is fine stuff indeed. Must Have Been The Roses was the first song i heard after Jerry passed (in was on the cassette in my car at the time driving home from work), so that song has always had a special place in my heart since.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 11:24

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That is right, my mistake. How can I forget that? That was Strider's pick.

Let's do the 76 show(s), Dave's 18 next week.

Wow, 74 is good!

Be well folks.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 11:29

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Thanks - made my day!

Although I'm a little creeped out as it appears you've been stalking me for quite some time.

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 12:01

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Not stalking, watching your back.

Vguy
>>>>Was at this show. People got struck by lightning in the lot. Good times.

Maybe needed a little something more before "Good times".
…...so besides that Mrs. Lincoln.....

PS - on the plus side most of us HAVE been struck by lightning on the inside! Lazy or otherwise.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 12:32

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Sting was on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno back in the 90s when Leno commented about Sting opening for the Dead in the next couple days in Vegas. “It’s amazing how the Grateful Dead control the weather, every time they play there’s a cloud above the audience”.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 13:03

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I was listening as this is a fifty year anniversary. Any acoustic Dead is rarified.
I only saw the Dead once in Nevada, the two days in April 91. Santana was awesome as a double bill. The jam with Carlos during Bird Song the second day stands out as a high point.
I used to have all my shows listed here on Dead.net when they mysteriously disappeared a year ago or so. Lucky I have my own record marked in the 50th year Dead Base that came out somewhat recent.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 14:07

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Started out the day making a 50th Anniversary compilation of 5/14/70 and then devouring it!!

RECIPE:
Just grab some bread and slap in shnid=34165 Acoustic SBD, shnid=136645 Electric SBD & Road Trips Vol 3.3 Bonus Disc and JAM! It's super Tasty and I highly recommend it.

Just about to head into some 5/14/74 WRS... Donna's double Yowl at the end of PITB startled me, I wasn't expecting two!

Looking forward to 5/15/70 tomorrow, only in Grateful Dead land would 5/14/70 be an average show..

What a Year, What a Show, What a Band!

Be Well All

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Submitted by itsburnsy on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 14:17

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I was at the Vegas show when people got struck. I was also at RFK '95 when some heads got struck (hanging out under a tree of all places). Coincidently, I was struck by lightning in 1975, so the whole thing really freaked my parents out! Not a fun experience people, but to this day it doesn't scare me at all.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 17:03

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They have fixed the shows attended feature. You can update those in your profile, provided you are able to remember. (Would be tough for me, if it were more than one show...lol)

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 22:06

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....of the Big Sky Dark Star is when things start to get....dark. Three minutes later, it's a jazzy primordial ooze. 1974 doesn't fuck around.
And that China Doll 🥰

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 05/15/2020 - 05:26

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I love the Montana recording. I lived a few years in Montana starting in 1975. The University of Montana student newspaper the Kaiman ran a full page piece titled “we asked the Grateful Dead what they think about playing in Montana”. It had a photograph of mostly the roadies giving the finger to the camera.