• Post reply
    8,077 replies
    marye
    Joined:
    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

Comments

sort by
Recent
Recent Oldest A to Z Z to A
Reset
  • #1221
    icecrmcnkd
    Joined:
    Alpine 88

    Listened to:
    6-19 UM.151602
    Not terrible, not spectacular. Jerry forgot the words to Knockin’, Brent stepped in.
    I liked Drums/Space. Good sounding UM.

    6-23 UM.142398
    Good sounding UM too. Source says UM->DAT.
    Got distracted during Dew and had to restart. I can see minds blown then. Blackbird was a nice fit.

    I also have:
    6-20 UM.151614

    6-22 set 2 119780.sbd.miller.
    Will need to go get the whole show.

    100 degrees is rough. Maybe Jerry was getting close to heat stroke.

  • #1222
    bluecrow
    Joined:
    Alpine '88 etc

    DV - JeffSmith's post below will get you to my old scribblings, take a closer look.

    I camped both '87 and '88. Minimal gear. Lawn tickets '80, '82, '85. Had mail order pavilion tickets '87 but seats for first 2 nights were worthless, way down low and literally on the outside, no sight line, poor sound, so we were up on the lawn, which was just perfectly fine. Never knew anybody who drew any of the true front of stage seats. Seats I had last night '88 were best by far, aisle slightly to outside of Jerry side 5 or 6 rows up.

    There are relatively new ultramix uploads for Alpine '88. Healy was definitely f*cking with the sound every night at Alpine, panning the board feed from side to side, wasn't just 6/23. sbds still conspicuously missing for Met, Buckeye, and Pittsburgh from what I see on relisten. Like I said, really enjoyed going back to 6/20 for what was essentially the first time in all these years.

  • #1223
    icecrmcnkd
    Joined:
    Nice story Bluecrow

    I’ll have to check if I have the newest versions of those shows, if not I’ll get them.

    My only time to Alpine was my second show, 7-17-89. Was on the lawn. Very cool place. Camped at Bong.

    Tinley Park the next year wasn’t as cool. And instead of clogging up a two-lane road in a small town the Deadheads brought I-80 to a complete stop the first day (don’t know about the following days because we came in the back way those days). The small parking lots of Tinley Park filled up early and since the venue was close to the highway people double parked on each side of the highway and walked to the venue. I know someone who did it and he said his car was still there after the show, didn’t get towed. We were on an overpass looking down at the mayhem on the highway. We got to the venue and a cop told us to pull onto the side of the road and park there.
    We camped at Kankakee State Park and drove up I-55, then came in the back way. And came early so we could get in the lot before it filled up.

    Made it to all 9 Soldier Field shows, on the floor for 7, with rows 13 and 25 the closest, both Jerry side.
    I liked Soldier Field because it could absorb the masses, that parking lot was huge, with a big Shakedown Street.
    Was back in 2015 for all 3 FTW shows and that place had really changed. The parking lot was gone and a space ship had landed on top of the coliseum.

    Been working my way through a lot of torrent files lately:
    GD 1982-03-14 139382.sbd.miller.chastain.waddell (playing now)
    GD 1976-07-18 pre-FM.remaster.miller (cool Let It Grow)
    GD 1982-03-13 set 2 112858.sbd.digitalrbb.miller
    GD 1972-03-22 136682.sbd.sirmick
    GD 1972-03-21 136670.sbd.sirmick
    GD 1982-04-17 set 2 141100.sbd.dalton.miller.clugston
    GD 1972-07-22 updated.betty.pcm.composite.dalton.miller.clugston (rough in spots, I can see why only a portion of the show was released)
    GD 1976-07-12 150658.cm.cass.miller
    GD 1973-02-22 Fries remaster of 111169
    GD 1973-02-09 Fries remaster of 150166 (distortion on Casey Jones)

    I’ll get Alpine 88 onto my music player soon.

  • #1224
    DeadVikes
    Joined:
    1988

    Hey Bluecrow, in fours years of going to see the Dead at Alpine 86-89, I never made it into the Pavilion. We were always in the lawn, which was still a great unbelievable time. Yes. OB, the scene definitely changed after In the Dark, and the fact we could stay on the grounds the whole time. Love Wisconsin. As other spots across the country it was huge party scene.

    Yes, the heat was something else. And the shows were so much fun. A true experience. Where did you stay Bluecrow?

    Where can we find your write up from Gans BC?

    I think there are some newer transfers of these shows from Miller via Pearson.

    I will have to check these out at some point.

    Oh and enjoyed the 3/30/88 OB, recording was good, always enjoy a Hey Pocky Way, West LA Fadeaway, Big Railroad Blues, Nice second set, from the Shakedown opener to the BMR. Great show. Thanks.

  • #1225
    bluecrow
    Joined:
    A gift lost will soon be recovered

    Words to take to heart.

    Thank you for tracking that down Jeff! A few years before I became Bluecrow here.

    Who knows where the time goes.

  • #1226
    JeffSmith
    Joined:
    A gift lost will soon be recovered.

    Hey Bluecrow, I think maybe this the Grateful Dead Hour show you were featured in? Nice! Thanks!

    dead dot net/features/grateful-dead-hour-no-555

  • #1227
    bluecrow
    Joined:
    Alpine '88 cont.

    I streamed rest of 6/20 - really really enjoyed it. Big fat old Terrapin > Drumz > Other One at the heart of it. The Other One probably bent a few brains, including mine, back then.

    Yes Oro, it was miserably hot and I didn't manage heat well back then (that came when I moved out to the southwest.) Buckeye more of the same. I think Maine was a huge relief for the band and any heads that did the full tour. 7/2 probably show of the tour except for the things that made 6/23 special.

    6/23 needs to be understood in context of 6/22 and all that heat. "A gift lost will be recovered." I wrote up my recollections and Gans posted it as part of a gdHour years ago. I'll see if I can find it. Blackbird>Brokedown was a truly remarkable musical gift to cap that night and that run. Totally off the cuff move. It was a thank you from the band and a blessing. Not so much bragging rights but just the feeling of how lucky we were to be there.

    Alpine '89 was what it was musically because of Alpine '88.

  • #1228
    Oroborous
    Joined:
    There were shows,

    and there were shows, and there were shows between.
    Like this lil nugget (3/30/88)!
    Really enjoyed this. Great opening trifecta, couple different era songs for variety, nice Cassidy. We get a Shakedown, fun inverted Uncle J/PITD/Uncle J, and a nice post drums sequence to ramp up the vibe!
    Love to check out these shows that fall between/around official ones!

    Enjoyed it so much I hit 4/3/88 for extra credit. Jers starting to get the dreaded spring north east tour bronchitis, but not the whole show? Next night I recall he sounds worse? Decent show, but I dug 3/30 more.

    So then I through on Dicks 30 while doing some chores, but didn’t get to the second set, though I did catch the fun BD bonus stuff from 3/25. So not a DHB but a grateful day none the less!

    Summer 88, sighhhh.
    Was all stoked, armed and ready for the last six of tour, until I broke my ankle…
    87 Alpine was such a hot shit show as it’s rep had blown up and like all good places it seemed to get too big? So we figured Maine would be the laid back alternative to freak freely and it surely was! When we got to Buckeye the general consensus was that besides the Blackbird bragging rights, folks were writing the whole scene off as miserably hot, too many people, and the band didn’t play that great overall?
    I don’t know, I wasn’t their, that’s just the vibe we were getting.
    I do know that Buckeye seemed like more of the same though I thought they played decent. Over tge years I’ve really come to enjoy this show, the first set with early Bruce encounters etc, and the three new songs to open the second was cool. But being at that venue in those conditions on crutches and still pretty sore even with enough analgesics for a platoon, it was a ruff day. Pittsburg was a god send comparatively, with no adventures through the countryside and seats to keep off the leg. Don’t recall much of that one cept maybe a good Cumberland and the first of only 2 Start your Engines, which we liked.
    We’ll long/short I’d had an unfortunate incident involving ambulance and hospital before the tour started that time has led me to believe was related to excessive acetaminophen in the analgesics? So had to skip Toga, gulp, yep, that one still really hurts, but had to go back to hospital for upper GI and testing. One of the few shows I had a ticket fir but had to get rid of : (
    Crotchfester was a good show, and nice flat soft baseball lawn which combined with a week or so of healing made things more fun and less hassle. Another very crowded show and a really muggy day.
    So when we got to Maine the night before and it snowed it was quite the change lol.
    Maine was a blast all the way around. Things came together and a good time was had by all, though the long slog home on the fourth after all those shows etc was ruff and rememberer it felt weird not seeing then on the fourth.

    So since I’ve never heard any of the 88 Alpines (that I remember), figure I’ll fire up 6/23/88 in BC and DVs honor!
    ONWARD,

    PS: yeah BC those Hampton shows truly were mind blowing. 3/27/88 is definitely one of the best shows I was fortunate to be at, though 3/26 was the only show I went to that I didn’t get in…
    Sometimes you eat the Baaarr, sometimes the baaarrr eats you ; )

  • #1229
    bluecrow
    Joined:
    Alpine '88

    Yep, I was there too DV. So I have a fair amount of memories about these shows. Some of its already out there. One of the most powerful Dead concert moments was the Morning Dew last night of the run (6/23). that, and the Believe it or Not earlier in the set. But some aspects of this run were a struggle. Damn was it hot. did Buckeye and Pittsburgh afterwards. my last Midwest shows until 7/8 and 7/9/95 at Soldier Field.

    Without a doubt one weird thing going back to the tapes is that Healy seemingly recorded the entire run with strong panning across the sound stage. I have never heard anything like it on any other SBD. Question came up on the GD Hour many years ago regarding the panning on the SBD source for 6/23. At the time I had never gone back to listen to the other nights, but 6/23 tape I knew very well. I replied that I thought maybe the panning was a one-off and gave the context. But no, It's there 1st night 6/19. and it's on the Jam of the Week first set 6/20. "Sort of" cool in some ways and sort of a big WTF was going on with that guy. Just odd stuff. Truly.

    I had 2 mail order pavilion seats each night. sold the other to a friend who in the end only made the last night. 6/20 was near soundboard to left. Great sound. "kids" next to me proceeded to stub in 20+ of their friends on what were like 4 seats worth of tickets - completely freaking rude, asinine, and ridiculous - literally forcing myself and others out of our legit seats as more and more of them got ticketed in. I was already overheated by Day 2 and not very tolerant of that thoughtlessness. sort of still pisses me off, though I write that with something of a dream time memory smile on a beautiful rainy morning here in the high desert some 30+ years later. at set break I was wandering the lawn and ran into some other folks i knew from OH (school/home at the time) and when Set II rolled in I was like F*** the pavilion I'm hanging up here, and we danced our asses off upper hill right end. It was great. Super fun. Remember an awesome Terrapin. I'm not sure if I have ever heard 6/20 since, maybe once. listened to JOTW 1st set last night and now again listening this morning. It's a great 1st set. I'm like, Box of Rain song 2??!! Band is on. Guessing Dave will feed us the whole show JOTW but probably will stream the whole show today.

    Academy of Music 3/26/72 DaP 14 - great to hear that one again (has been very much neglected in this household.) Thanks Daverock!

    Will have to check out 3/30/88. Was at Hampton right before this and that was some mind blowing music.

  • #1230
    DeadVikes
    Joined:
    Hey Firstshow

    Interesting Dave had the Alpine 88 shows as well as the 88 Met Center show in the Tapers compendium. To be honest, I don't look at that to much.

    I was at these shows as a wild eyed 17 year old. Great times. The Alpine shows were 4 shows in five days in the hot sun. We had a crazy drought that summer. Our crew rented RVs for those shows and we were able to camp at Alpine. Crazy times.
    I am hoping someday we get the Alpine box set 87-89, would be a fun ride.

user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Submitted by marye on
Forums
Currently Listening To...
Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months

Submitted by Strider 808808 on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 11:14

Permalink

The YouTube video is mildly entertaining. A Canadian once told me he lived in northeastern Alberta. I asked him what it was like and he said it’s boreal forest (stunted trees) ,just like the word sounds, boring .

Oh yeah... it seems a bit twisted. So that instantly gets my attention.

Whad'ya say JIMINMD?

Boooreal Ridge adventure trip = it might be better than that crappy warehouse job

Was it 5/19/77 at the Fox?

Listened to that awesome show last week. Loved the bonus tracks from the fall of 77. Always thought that was a cool idea.

What is on tap for today? Would like to see more official releases as Bolo I believe originally intended.

Peace folks.

user picture

Member for

8 years 10 months

Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 07:03

Permalink

What about 3/24/90?

3/24/90 - Dozin’ At The Knick (13 songs) & Spring 1990 Box (6 songs) & Postcards Of The Hangin’ (1 song) & Without A Net (1 song OMSN)

It's spread over a few releases which makes me curious to check it out again as it's definitely been awhile.

RE: DEADVIKES - Yep, yesterday BOBT picked 5/19/77.. awesome show for sure.

One of the Best from '77?

Worked my way through it late yesterday, Wow!

user picture

Member for

8 years 10 months

Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 07:42

Permalink

Mind Meld Left Body Jam

Spring '90 here we come!

Who woulda thought that 30 years later.. Oh, let's not go there...

Sherman, set the WABAC machine for 3/24/90 the Knickerbocker Arena in Albany, NY.
We've got some music to listen to!

… isn't that across the Whitestone or Triborough Bridge?

Nice Dave Bromberg vid. Made me check my Bromberg, I'm light in that guy, couple of shows and only an album or two. Guess I need to get more.

While Bromberging, saw Mean Mary on the right side of youtube. I like her a lot. Any Mean Mary fans out there?

Be kind, mention less new music, I can't afford no more!!!

user picture

Member for

11 years 11 months

Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 08:22

Permalink

Recent talk of headphoning.

Certain albums have ALWAYS shined through the phones.

Great headphone album I've been melting my ears with the past week. (over, over and over some more)
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine. What an angry album, angry and sad. Has stood up well for me since it's release. If you can skate as fast as "Sin" you're doing great. 120 on a crouch rocket with this song, wow!

Ok, two more headphone albums I love. Dr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band & Operation Mindcrime.

user picture

Member for

8 years 10 months

Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 08:30

Permalink

LTGTR > Help On The Way (Transition was tight) > Slipknot! (Short & Sweet) > Franklin's (These Multi-Tracks be sounding GOOD!)

I'm a likin' this already :)

For those who wanna play it through in order, here's what you need -
Set 1:
Majority - Spring 1990 Box (2012) - Disc 12 - Bonus tracks from March 24, 1990, Albany
Walkin' Blues - Dozin’ at the Knick (1996) - Disc 1
Desolation Row - Postcards Of The Hanging (2002)
OMSN - Without A Net (1990)

Set 2
Dozin’ at the Knick (1996) - Disc 2 & 3

Enjoy!

PS - Do peeps play this stuff off disc? Just curious how you peeps be doin' it, yo

Tight, I figured every body has their own work around.

I was curious how people do.

I add all audio files to my music player and control the spaceship from there.

CDs are def not my preferred medium for this here music.

Believe we had ventured to the lower seats behind the stage. Can’t remember why? Probably to meet folks and fire up during D/S, so most everyone thought the usual meh, here cones D/S etc, but no....they start going into this jam and it sounds like something??? But none of us knew exactly. Anyway, it was pretty special especially from that different perspective of being behind the band but close, and at the same time you can look out at the crowd and all that energy. Sorta like the roadies view. Anyone who has ever spent much time on stage while a band is getting it on with the crowd knows what I’m talking about...
Anyway, those were great shows!

DENNIS: tell your wife I’m sorry for making you need more Bromberg LOL 😃
But come on, it’s Danger Man!

user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months

Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:11

Permalink

I ripped it all to the trusty ML 9600, edited as needed and burned a HC Disc then ripped it to the server. Or I could easily shuffle correct order via Album Player. I should check out that matrix for different perspective. First I’ll have to see if Dozin is how I remember: having extra ambient mics in the mix? I seem to recall I’ve always really liked the sound on that one because of the enhanced live feeling?

user picture

Member for

8 years

Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:18

Permalink

During the quarantine I have been mainly listening to CDs in my basement with the old school wired hifi suround sound system.

I also have a Sonos system linked to iTunes with a lot but not all of my CDs ripped.

It is hard to use these Sonos systems when the whole family is home working and going to school. Each speaker uses something like 5 Mbs of bandwidth.

I rip everything lossless, then listen from file. If I get around to today's pick.. and I might just be able to fit that in.. I will be re-arranging and re-ordering the songs from the best available sources. A giant pain in the ass if you ask me.

When I first set up the house I live in after the move.. I put all the CDs, etc. in the office and when working at night I would play right from the CDs.. for quite some time. ..but I got tired of staying in my office for ungodly hours each day, and my work now seems to involve less data crunching, analysis, etc. so I am not quite as trapped to my office and get to escape. I have almost freed myself from swapping discs.

rip em once, play em plenty.

user picture

Member for

8 years 10 months

Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:49

Permalink

Nice! It's cool to hear the different set ups people are using.

OROBOROUS - That Alesis ML 9600 sounds pretty dope!

DEADVIKES - CDs in the basement are cool too, specially with some nice speakers.

JIMINMD - Agree, I like to have my music where ever I go these days, but definitely started grounded with CDs.

I back up my CD masters, then add to music player, in this case iTunes and organize from there.

If I need to retrack or splice it up I'll take the master file into Adobe Audition and work with it there.

ML 9600 peaks my interest for sure.. looks like it's discontinued though.

As a Tape Kid, When I got back into collecting in 2010, I definitely had no idea what I was doing.
Which has become apparent when I re-listen to some of these old picks and what not.
This Pick Of The Day trip has been great for finding out what I was doing 10 years ago in regards to collecting.

It's been educational for sure, and apparently we just never stop learning.

Dozin' definitely appears to have some extra ambient noise mixed in verse the Multi-Track recording from Spring '90.

Pretty stoked GDR released these bonus tracks.

Walkin' Blues made me miss Brent-Ski and this Loser is SICK!

Stoked on this show so far.

PS - All Audio geek info is highly encouraged, Best Methods etc... Might need to be a new thread ;)

user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months

Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:50

Permalink

Deadvikes: if at all possible, hard wiring your Sonos network will improve both it as well as free up valuable WiFi! EDIT: professional tip of the day: always hard wire your net stuff unless you can’t!
Depending on how old your house is and what they used to wire for phones, you may be able to cobble together enough wire to do this. Often they’ll use cat 5 for phone outlets, so anyone who has cat five, even if only one per location, can do this. The only tricky part is terminating some RJ 45s, but you can source tools and supplies online or even at many big box stores, and of course you can learn how to do most things on line these days.
NOTE: as long as you don’t need any conductors for landline...I’m assuming most folks don’t use landlines anymore....

EDIT: GOGD, normal methodology is rip immediately to Server, carefully put disc back in case, put case on shelf as future backup.....unless the discs fall apart in ten years 😉 Occasionally, I’ll make a hard copy of combined or reordered stuff like 3/24 on the ML, or a road or mix copy, but I never play the source discs. Funny though back in the day before all this highfalutin’ tech, I did play Dicks etc in the car, but have never had a disc go bad.
....ok, I can hear Dennis now...”what’s that about playing with Dick in your car” yuck, yuck...

Yeah, this show is ringing my bell today.

Totally fell off my radar.

Sounds super good and the playing is tight.

Really solid Set 1.

OROBOROUS - Nice 3/24/90 Story.. And DAMN, you saw a lot of shows!
Would love to swap Hampton '87 stories sometime, those were my favorite shows that I got to attend.
The energy in that place for those shows was just Awesome!
Also down to hear more about your server & music set up at some point.

But till then, stoked thinking about wandering around the Knick while this here music plays.. cause this sounds killer.

PITB is dreamy

EDIT: OROBOROUS - Haven't heard from Dennis yet... but that's funny.
Thanks for the haps on the craps, yeah I rip 'em and run. I'm interested in that ML-9600 and server set up. Got everything on an External Drive currently but am thinking I could use a better set up. I might bug you about this some more down the road if that's cool. In the meantime, thanks for the tips and that joke. Hahaha!

user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months

Submitted by pkpotter on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 11:15

Permalink

Love DP 18. Madison Wi. And The Wheel, and fond memory of an old friend telling me his story about hanging with Jerry at the Madison Holiday Inn...

user picture

Member for

11 years 11 months

Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 11:55

Permalink

For those who care, spackling coming along fine.

ML-9600 - intrigued me enough to look also. Went to their web, yes, appears discontinued. I read their description and thought, "shit, that's gonna be a few bucks." Was shocked high price I saw (for ten seconds of looking) was 300 bucks. Still don't think I need one, but a lot cheaper than I had in mind. I was thinking 1-2k. Why I'm not on the price is right.

Home network/wi-fi/wired - two cents on this. My wi-fi sucked for a sundry of reasons. Found these thing by EERO, they replace your current wifi. I bought the 3 unit box. They talk to each other and can balance the load. Also learned about "switches" (I think that's the name). Stupid little cheap boxes that act almost like a usb hub. Run a cat 5 wire out of router, plug into this thing and bang you got 6 more holes you can plug cat 5 wire into. So one cat 5 wire into attic, into switch and then a cat 5 to each room. The switch I got runs off 5 volts. One of my cat 5 wires goes to eero box 2, other side of house in tv room. Box 1 is connected directly to router. Box 3 in other end of house, close enough to box 1 to run wi-fi between them, but communication between 1 & 2 are wired.

Got that?

I've always liked Dozin, my era I guess. I go with the crowd mike added in. But the recording I think is great. Used to listen to the disc a lot when first came out on good stereo. I need to splice the 2 "spaces" into 1 space, just because.

Playing Dick in car!?! I would never complain, I'm an Auto-Erotic. Owned a repair shop for years, fixed cars long time.

Back to spackle.

that’s where I am now, oh yeah!
Always loved LTGTR opener, usually a good sign and set a kind vibe..but did not expect a H/S/F after. Phil’s killin’ it on the intro to Help, and they nail the start, shit their nailing things like a damn carpenter all over this! Always loved that Loser! Nice OMSN end of set change up. Smooth spacey, but tight, Playin’, awesome jam and transition into UJB, then like a Swiss watch, Jers not messin’ around, head first into this smooth Terrapin etc, and of course that sweet jam. Moments like that were what kept me still going after all the years....And all this goodness even before a great 90 D/S midi fest, it’s a shame Lee eSdee and I weren’t hanging out at this time..
Wheel, Watchtower when it was fresh, Stella...oh Stella, sigh, Oh to be able to hear Jer live bring it all down, way down, like during a Stella or Dew one last time, to lay me down, sigh.
I probably felt like at the time like “shit, another NFA, had to wreak a near perfect show” lol, damn picky dead heads!..but it works, I mean what else to cap this awesome show, Dew? Well, ya knew they’d be saving that one...no, it probably had to be NFA, with the still fresh and always welcome (to this day) Bid You Goodnight!
Yeah, you had me roped in instantly on this one even though I just limped through the 30 year spring 90 thing back in March! Big thanks to the picker, Brillant Mate!

Yes, unfortunately out of production. Best gear I ever bought! List was around 2K, I got mine back around 02-93? Think I paid around 1200 at Full Compass, which used to kick ass, great prices and no secondssold as new like muscians friend...
Ive always been a gear geek. BITD no matter how poor i was, hell I often didn’t have a car, but from high school on I always had me at least a decent stereo. So I’ll talk gear or tell stories with all y’all anytime, but I fear there are many here among us who feel this is but a joke!

user picture

Member for

8 years

Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 13:13

Permalink

Oroborous, interesting information on Sonos. You have peaked my interest on hard wiring the speakers. Could you elaborate on that? I thought the whole point of Sonos was plug in anywhere, no wires, which my wife loves, and run it through WiFi?

Appreciate your expertise as I know this is your profession.

user picture

Member for

8 years 10 months

Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 13:33

Permalink

What's the origin story of that title?

I'm gonna blame that title for me always blowing off this release.. cause it's a bad ass show.
And it's not a snooze fest even if it's marketed as one!
(This is all tongue in cheek btw, keep up the good work Dead.net and see comments below about Fade In & Out Tracks if anyone who produces these great CDs read this stuff)

I thoroughly enjoyed all of that.

The Set 2 PITB > UJB > Terrapin > Mind Left Body > Drums is a spring '90 highlight!
Inventive, fresh, strong singing. Damn these people that release this stuff might be on to something:)
Space > Wheel > Watchtower real nice, usually tire of later Watchtowers, but this was played with some real gusto.
Stella Blue even caught my daughter's attention, she said "this one is really good Dad, did Jerry write this?"
But got pissed when I told her that NFA was a cover, she mentioned that should be a Dead song.
AWBYGN is always a treat and Jerry sounds like he's really enjoying delivering this one.

Far OUT!

I'm stoked that came up, thanks to DEADVIKES for keeping us on course with releases and Thanks to the GD for breaking that one up all into pieces so that I didn't really want to listen to it that much and could really enjoy it today!

RE: JIMINMD I agree that trying to patch up fade in & outs is a pain for real.
If the power's that be read this stuff a couple of separated Fade In & Fade Out tracks placed at the beginning and the end can easily be added to any CD to keep continuity and easily deleted by the consumer to create seamlessness for the hardcore freaks. Just saying.. that'd be great!

RE: OROBOROUS Tech talk rules and I appreciate the Gear info and hopefully we can continue this... but the hour is getting late, hey!

user picture

Member for

9 years 9 months

Submitted by Jack Baller on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 14:14

Permalink

Given the album cover and Albany's proximity to the Catskill Mountains, "Dozin" is a reference to the Rip VanWinkle story. Deeply ingrained in those of us from Upstate NY!

user picture

Member for

8 years 10 months

Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 15:25

Permalink

Ah-ha! Now that makes sense.

Thanks JACK BALLER!
I now know with the help of your response and a quick google search that Rip Van Winkle is one of the Great Northern Catskills best-loved figureheads.
That makes so much sense, and the regional touch is really cool.

This came out in 1996 and I've always questioned the marketing angle as the first thing I thought of was why would they release this if they thought it was a snooze fest?

But lo!! It's quite a bit more clever than I.. and it's pretty keen.
(I didn't recognize ole Rip in the bushes and thought that was just some stoned hippie laying there;)

That clears up a lot and makes me like this release that much more.

DAVE ROCK: Dosin' at the Knick ain't bad either as I'm sure there was a lot of that too...

Well, you just can't beat that.
Good music and I learned a few things.

The Good Ole Grateful Dead strikes again!

user picture

Member for

9 years

Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 17:53

Permalink

Excellent advice Jimbo.

I listen to new CD arrivals to confirm that they are not defective, then make a disc image on a HD. I then type in the track names and make any necessary edits (removing those stupid overlap transitions between CD’s), and export the files as Sd2f. The Sd2f file is then used to make copies in various formats: AIFF, ALAC, FLAC, AAC-320 (each format on a separate HD).
The ALAC files go onto micro SDXC cards for my iBasso music players (DX80 and DX120), and into iTunes for my iPod 5 Classic which a few months ago I upgraded to 1 TB using an iFlash Quad.
The AAC-120 and FLAC files are for playing from USB drives in cars.
With the AIFF files I burn 2 copies to CD-R as backups (glad I started doing that now that the CD rot issue has been brought to our attention), and listen to one of the copies to confirm that the files on the HD are not corrupt.

I then make multiple HD backups

Where do I find the time?
I don’t play video games, I don’t go to movies, and I watch very little TV (no Netflix or other subscriptions). I do watch a lot of hockey but I can see and hear the TV from where my computers are, so I try to have the computers running and converting audio files/burning discs while watching hockey.

I do get to listen to a lot of GOGD.

Great choice, I was able to listen to I believe everything except Desolation Row. Still have my Dozin copy from 1996 and the first Spring 1990 opening tunes. Top shelf!

I will throw out another 90s release for tomorrow, 8/13/75, One From the Vault.
I have two copies of this, the original 1991 release and the remastered release from 2007. The upgrade is awesome.

user picture

Member for

14 years 11 months

Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 18:55

Permalink

...On behalf of the group"

Pretty much have this whole show memorized, as it's always in heavy rotation. What the heck, in the interest of supporting my Deadhead brethren, of all genders, races, political leanings and creeds, I'll cue it up tomorrow and play it LOUD on the big boy system!!

Unless my wife is home, then it's headphones.

user picture

Member for

13 years 4 months

Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:21

Permalink

Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

user picture

Member for

13 years 11 months

Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:22

Permalink

in the queue...

user picture

Member for

15 years 1 month

Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:42

Permalink

Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

user picture

Member for

17 years 4 months

Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:48

Permalink

To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
- Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
- Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
- Research and get best Router you can
- Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

Nite all.

Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

Oroborous, appreciate the information.

Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

user picture

Member for

8 years 10 months

Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 22:34

Permalink

Good stuff!

JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

Fun Discussions tonight all.

Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

Until then be well

user picture

Member for

10 years 1 month

Submitted by daverock on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 01:49

Permalink

An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

user picture

Member for

16 years 11 months

Submitted by bob t on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 03:27

Permalink

This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t

user picture

Member for

11 years 11 months

Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 05:57

Permalink

Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

Goog the name. The things we can learn here.

user picture

Member for

8 years 10 months

Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 07:39

Permalink

Sleigh Bells Ring, are you listening?

I can still remember how excited I was when they announced One From The Vault

When I got the 2 CD set (which is next to me and has very small print that I can barely read now, but no "Disc Rot";) and listened to the music contained within it was a revelation:

This show is amazing! And it's complete and sounds incredible! This is how it could be! This could change everything! I could get all the shows sounding like this! They might release like a show a month or something! It's going to be off the hook! How will I afford it all?!?!

1991 the flood gates opened
with a trickle..

pretty cool

PS -
The Sleigh Bells in Slipknot!
The Harmonies in The Music Never Stopped..
Oh Boy!
I love this show:)

Be Well All, got some Fun Listening to do today.

What a First Set!!

Can only imagine what it was like to see this band back then, literally :)

That's gotta be up there with greatest ever Set 1.. if there is such a thing
EDIT: Forgot 3/2/69 in my excitement.. so never mind the "greatest ever" language, Great Set 1!

Dammit Jim, now my secret is out....part of why they put me in that dog getup, easier to contain!

VAULT 1: what GOGD said “Thanks UA & Rackow: yeah, I member all the excitement when the first stuff started trickling out, and the quality, Oy! Funny now how we critique many of the earlier generation releases now, but back then it was like gettin some when you were young!

DEADVIKES: if you have the wire in your house, id try just hardwiring stuff and adding a net switch. That shouldn’t cost you that much and it should help. Later you can always upgrade the other components if you want, but hardwiring stuff will help with any application. (To see what wire you have find your phone distribution point. There should be a at least one wire per room. If there is several of the same type, it should be marked on the side. If it’s cat 5 or better your good to go.

Ok, now time to fire up 8/13/75!