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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #1261
    DeadVikes
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    Hey Bluecrow, not sure if we ever listened to this show from the Uptown Theater in Chicago, 11/18/78?
    I have it going now, sounding good so far. I still have 78 on my brain.

  • #1262
    rockthing
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    Oh, my. My 1973 homework is…

    Oh, my. My 1973 homework is cut out for me. A(nother) very weak period for me.

    What can I listen to immediately?*

    I can cue up 2/28, 3/24 (Oh yeah, that's a good one! Looks like I snagged a Betty reel before the dark times)... Heart marks from He's Gone all the way through Sing Me Back Home. Another in the first set for Playin', and 5 stars for the Loser that precedes it. Nothing else is marked, but a first set Stella Blue? Sure!

    Getting into summer/fall, 7/28, 7/31, 8/1, 9/8, 9/17, or 12/4 and I actually have Dicks Picks Vol. 1, for a change. lol :-)
    Some of those I really haven't listened to much. Roosevelt Stadium seems to have had some mojo, but I think I only listened to Jerry's birthday show for the first time last year, and then probably only once.

    *Btw, my Internet was down for 24hrs yesterday. First there was electrical work being done on the building, so no power from 9 to 5! Then, they managed to screw up the phone lines and couldn't get it fixed until well after 9am this morning. So glad I don't depend on Spotify! lol... or streaming from the Archive ;-)

    I had a taste of that mind bending Playin > Wharf Rat > Playin' from 6/8/74 last Sunday, which must be somewhere in the ballpark of the 73 scene we're about to get into. I can't even remember when that had been Pick of the Day.

    Sorry, my listening notes are now way out of sequence as I'm trying to keep pace.

    In the meantime I have been thoroughly obsessed with the 2/22/69 Dreambowl. That was a fantastic pic.
    It's almost been on repeat. Someone needs to make a meme with the (apparently) famous guy on TV getting more and more blown away in each picture. Cool. early '69 show... An acoustic set! ...Mountains of the Moon, too... Mountains of the Moon sequeing into an interplanetary Darks Star... back to back with The Other One!!!!! Mind blown.

    Whole show is excellent. Many many thanks for the "liberating" experience, too.

    Also, RE QC at Deadville... I discovered last year that nugs net has 16b441 downloads of a ton of official albums, some not even available for download here. Shipping kills me, so even though I love physical media, I go for data. Anyway, even some of the downloads have had some dodgy editing or sonic anomalies. I gave nugs a FYI, but they said that's how the data comes and they aren't cleared to mess with it.

    I had the 11/30/80 Fox Theater 2nd set in my music player while I was out yesterday. Lovely, lovely Ship of Fools. Brilliant Playin' into drums into, not quite space, it almost sounds pre-composed, but I kept hearing these Uncle John's Band hints, then it ended up being The Wheel and for a while I thought I was losing my mind, but then they finally get to UJB to close the show. Although I was listening while mainly focussed on work, there were a few points were I wondered if someone ought to make a loud noise because it seemed as if the band was about to doze off. Super mellow mood, which has its merits. Not knockin' a laid back show.

    The real revalation, though, was the 2/19/71 recommendation, which I finally listened through last night.

    2/18 will always be like a favorite sweater or comfort food. However, I can see why you might say the19th is stronger. The 18th is definitely a bit tentative by comparison, what with all of the new songs and Mickey leaving the band, it would be. Although the first part of the 19th didn't really jump out at me, possibly, psychologically, I could have been a bit standoff-ish knowing this show was challenging one of the most nostalgic tapes from my meagre old collection. However, right away it struck me how different the feeling of the new tunes were even though they had only debuted the night before.

    By the time they hit China/Rider on the 19th, though, they seem full of confidence and it sounds like they have found their feet with the new/old lineup. This tune is grooving hard.

    The main thing that struck me about this show was how much it is a Pigpen showcase. Pig is always on it, but the band is rockin' hard behind him on every number from the gritty It Hurts Me Too, to Good Lovin', and beyond. This may be the heaviest Easy Wind I've ever heard. It may be the somewhat gnarly sound quality of the Vadnais transferred audience reel that really adds a welcome taste of foreboding evil to all of Pigs tunes. Probably it's the comparatively sparse arrangements that allow the listener to take a quick breath and really find themselves inside the song. I don't know. Caveat: I did tweak the EQ a bit, but the jury is still out about whether my adjustments improved the sound or not. lol.

    Anyway, just wanted to get out that note about how f'n heavy the Pig tunes are on 2/19. Really felt it.

    Thanks again, everyone!

  • #1263
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    it had been a long time since I'd spun 2/22/69 from 30 trips. everything you'd expect from a show from that time. really enjoyed it and will revisit fairly soon as is my want with shows that tickle my fancy. thanks Doc! on a side note, the one technical difficulty with that listen is that there is something about those discs that my external disc drive (LG M-Disc) really didn't care for. at one point it flat out quit reading Disc 1, something I've never had happen, and while it didn't quit during Disc 2, at several points towards the end it made noises that I've never heard from it before that seemed like the electronic equivalent of an old man wheezing up a hill who was barely going to make it (or maybe not!) this isn't disc rot, its something in how the discs were manufactured i'm guessing. from time to time I've had various weird issues with playability of discs from the GD folks that I've never experienced with any other CDs I've bought. it's very odd. And on the QC issue, I recently pulled out a disc from the Giants box to play it for the first time and there was a big splotch of an opaque light gray liquid on the playing surface, sorta looked like white out except for the gray color. i have never seen anything like it CD-wise and i haven't the faintest idea what the hell it could be or how it could have gotten there. I have a CS request in with Dr. Rhino -we'll see what happens.

    DV - 4/24/78 (DaP 7) was a show that had never really resonated with me - not when it was first issued, and not on subsequent revisits. And I've really gotten into the other released shows from that tour, Nashville and William and Mary. Well, finally got my head properly calibrated and my ears on straight and had an excellent listen. And then I spun it again. Full speed ahead Spring '78 Jerry and the Wolf with that excellent Betty sound. Thank you for suggesting that one.

    Now on maybe my third run through past few days of 2/23/74 (DaP 42). It sounds freaking fantastic! All of it! Blowing my mind! Nothing left to do but smile smile smile!! (Yeah I'm really digging it.) Still haven't cued up the next night, cause I keep getting distracted by all the other good stuff. Maybe tomorrow.

    Gonna have to visit those shows from late February, that one from Austin and Doc's most recent POTD from the Family Dog.

    Take care folks. And great to hear from you Rocktihng!. Rock on!!

  • #1264
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    I’ve enjoyed them all so far DV, but maybe it’s me, some seem to sorta plod for a awhile before they pick up steam in the second set. Recordings were inconsistent too…but?…maybe it was me, as Jim just said so we’ll, sometimes set and setting can have as much influence as the music itself! I actually got to sit a relax and listen to most, a couple I had on while doing household stuff, but I don’t think thats it?
    I’ve always been a huge fan of fall/winter 73, one of my personal top tours, and I purposefully haven’t dug into summer 73 too much as you’d think we’d get some of those sooner than later, but until I got the spring 73 Dave’s, I knew nothing about that tour. 21 With 21, I was a tad nonplused at first, probably just hung up on no Dark Star or other head noise nonsense, but it’s grown on me a lot since. That whole jam sequence is superb, and I’ll take a HCSS anytime!
    16 is one of my favorite Dave’s, so much so I purchased a copy off the black market! 32s good, actually need to listen to that as I’m not as familiar as I should be. I haven’t gotten to Crotchfester or Bu faf a lo yet…
    Every show has a nice big jam sequence, many killer 73 Eyes, a couple ridiculous PITB, some good HCSS, and the Dark Stars and accompanying jams etc, so worth it even just to check those out. Sorry to be so vague but it’s all kinda a blur. As I say, all very similar: relaxed with mostly good playing, until the big jam goes through the roof, rinse and repeat…lol.
    So far, I think the February shows are a bit more to my liking?

    Spring 78: of the dozen and a half or so on this tour, I think I’ve hit 10 so far. Some of the Beatty’s are spectacular and this tour took me by surprise. Getting the big blown away surprise of 4/15 (DaP 37) opened up that flood gate as the only official release I have is 37. I had no clue about this tour before, so yeah, big surprise!
    Hoping Realgone spits out Dicks 18 and that I can get disc copies of the other 2 Dave’s as long/short I don’t do files…actually might try to get 15 off the black market as sometimes those aren’t too outrageously expensive. Didn’t get subs until 21, but since I have a few others, thinking someday I’ll try to get real copies of the few missing so I’ll have 13 onward, with hopefully copies of the rest. I have at least copies of all but 5.
    I still think, partly due to the fine Beatty’s that there’s a potential for a spring 78 box, but maybe not enough interest for that?
    Awright, gotta head to the mine, staycation is over for now : (

  • #1265
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    Hello, rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Family Dog At The Great Highway, February 28, 1970

    As a matter of self-preservation, a man needs good friends or ardent enemies, for the former instruct him and the latter take him to task……

    In November, we were teased with the Little Sadie and Black Peter, so we know that an excellent recording is in the vault. As far as early 1970 goes, the “big guns” of the Fillmores get most of the love, respect, and recognition, but this Family Dog run has some doggone good music!

    Call it a Lovelight sandwich, a grateful buffet with something for almost everybody. Electric/acoustic, grease, jams, old and new, all laid out as if on a platter. Dig in and enjoy!!!

    Those who have virtue always in their mouths, and neglect it in practice, are like a harp, which emits a sound pleasing to others, while itself is insensible of the music…..

    Rock on!

    Doc
    Most men are within a finger's breadth of being mad…..

  • #1266
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    Nashville v Normal

    mmmm..... I might have to compare and contrast. It went down in my ever changing mind that Normal was, well it has that Scarlet Fire & Terrapin into drumz.. but Nashville had a crisper sound and better separation between the instruments, plus a really good Peggy-O and Estimated Eyes. Both shows have a good Lovin', but full disclosure the Bobby GL's never did it for me, too formulaic and his rants did not come across as genuine as Pigs. So a little hotter v better sound. But don't consider this an analysis, my listens tend to be more influenced by focus and frankly my mood and receptiveness.

    I did both all 73 shows consecutively years ago and '78 through May.. but I am always doing stuff so I don't have the rabbit ears of OB and Rock Thing; their attention to detail is most appreciated and enjoyable to take in. Plus.. I'd gladly pay the price of an IMax theatre experience to listen to a show in casa Oroborous just to take in his personal, home edition Wall of Sound. I forked out big bucks 20 years ago for my system but it pales in comparison.

    As for March '73, I walked away big on Philly and Baltimore but Boston Garden did not register and in hindsight it's hot, hot, hot. When I weigh on a show, it's an opinion at a point of time that can be bribed by party favors and mood for the day. A mortal flaw.. first world problems.

    So I am to revisit 4/78. I think I need to work a little less and live a little more. I pulled down the new 2/17/73, that's on my list. I'd like to take in some Fall and Winter '73. A compare and contrast of the last two shows of the year perhaps.. Did Dick pick the right show for DiP1? Inquiring ears want to know.

    I'd like to contribute more.. but it's been a challenging year full of distractions. Summer is coming, so there's that.

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    You don't have #7 OB? We need to change that, I think you would really like this show.

    I will definitely go back and listen to #37 again. I know I had it up within the last couple of months.

    I did listen to #15 from Nashville over the weekend and I don't think Bob was happy with the first set, "That's it, we quit" Good show and the sound quality is as good as #7. Nice Estimated Eyes and Wharf Rat.

    Do you have any recommendations from your recent tour of March 73?

    I mean, this is a hot period. What a tour this is. More from this tour would be welcomed.

    Slow day on the site.

  • #1268
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    Continuing on with 73:
    3/16/73
    3/19/73
    3/21/73
    3/22/73
    2/22/69
    Plus miscellaneous spins of DaP 45
    Now playing 3/27/83, followed by 2/23/70.
    Don’t have Dave’s 7, one of 5 I don’t have copies of…
    Hmmm, that’s a bold statement DV as DaP 37 blew me away.
    Perhaps because I was not expecting it to be and sound as good as it was?
    Every show I’ve heard so far from this tour is good, highly recommend 4/11 and 4/16 too!

    Agree, like DaP 13 better than DaP 42.

  • #1269
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    Haven't listened to this show in a couple of years and wow, I think I like it even more now. A+ on sound quality and both sets deliver high energy Dead. Love the NFA, Black Peter, Around and Around and close it out with Werewolves of London. I went back and read the liner notes again and low and behold, they were written by Blair Jackson. Since I have 78 on my brain, I think I will check out Dave's 15 from 4/22 in Nashville. Of the three released from this time period 4/24 seems to be the top dog in my book. The William and Mary show is good, not great. On to Nashville.

    Hope you all have a great weekend.

  • #1270
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    You cats are already on to 1973. I'm still savoring the gentle respite in the oasis of Austin.

    Death don't have no mercy, but there's always time for lunch.
    Thanks for reminding me of LL. I need to see if I can get reinstated over there.

    Grateful Dead Live at The Auditorium, Austin, Tejas on 1970-02-23
    Harpur College was another of my heavy, heavy rotation tapes back in the day, along with the 2/18/71 Capitol Theater show I've already mentioned numerous times. Both were massive inspirations. For what seems in hindsight like a fairly significant period of time, if it wasn't one of those, it was Reckoning.

    I Know You Rider: Lovin' the energy and grit of this Rider. It's almost angst.

    High Time: This is a song! It's a pretty weird song, too, and after attempting it several times, myself, I must say it isn't surprising it wasn't played often. Damn, it's hard to sing. I submitted a completely deconstructed version of this for the February Dead Covers Project a few years back. I made a point of not revisiting to the original before recording, just going off memory and some notes left in an old binder of songs. I'm sure the ever-growing defenders of canon were thinking, "You ain't doin' it right if you ain't readin' it off a teleprompter." It was an "interpretation". Lol.

    Dire Wolf: What a lyric. An electric version, no less. Pretty mellow electric set, almost acoustic.

    Yellow Dog Joke… ah… well way to go for completely screwing up the joke, Bobby… actually, I'm not sure I've ever heard him make it all the way to the punch line. We should all heed Jerry's advice and "Don't encourage him." Everything was so light and positive in these days. Phil could be a bit surly, as we've already heard in this tape.

    Monkey and the Engineer: This was a standard in my old folk-rock duo. My partner played it and I just followed along. I'd have to start from scratch to figure out how to play it again. Such good stories in these tunes.

    Little Sadie: Nice. This wasn't on the Harpur College tape or Reckoning. Another dark story. I don't see how they could possibly be breaking strings playing such gentle music.

    Me and My Uncle: I don't recall hearing an acoustic version. It's a great song and works in any format. At this point everyone hadn't already heard it a million times. Imagine that!

    Black Peter: One of my favourite tunes ever. Doesn't get much darker than a song from the point of view of a death bed. Started doing this one myself occasionally a few years ago, but I always need a cheat sheet for the bridge. Nothing repeats. There are some interesting mnemonic connections between the chords and the words that help. Just have to sit down and do my homework. Ahh… yeah, Pig sittin' in nicely on the organ. This song needs a really delicate hand, but the organ adds a nice little gospel flavour. If only Pig coulda added just a touch more flair to his playing to fill in some lines before Jerry takes his solo. Pig's got the tone.

    Seasons of the Heart: Never heard this before. Great pick! Thanks.

    Uncle Johns: Have heard this one a few times. 😉

    Not Fade Away: I'm gonna call the union! The Galactic Rock'n'Roll Union! That needs to be a band name, or a song, or something! Crazy to think this tune was in their set their entire career. Some good ol' primal energy here. Jerry's "wild" tone. He must've had the amplifier turned WAY up, cause it sounds like he's not in the mix at all. His guitar is just being picked up by a vocal mic, or something. Basically, no drums, either. I can't keep track of which guitars he was playing in the early years. He seemed to play whatever was available after giving up the Starfire. Sounds kind of like a Stratocaster, The Graham Nash Strat, perhaps? Alligator did not come on the scene until later, if I recall correctly. This tone has even more of a stereotypical Stratocaster sound than Alligator, which retained very little Fender electronics by the time it gets heard on Europe '72. Anyone? Oh, cool call and response with Pig. TC has already left at this point? I need to get my timelines straight. Bobby diggin' in with some soulfully aggressive singing, rather than simply aggressive.

    Mason's Children: I can't recall ever hearing this, either. The name comes up often, but it's not on anything I've listened to regularly. Again, thanks for this pick! As you say, not exactly high-energy stuff, but some very rare pieces here. Always appreciate the chance to learn something new about this fascinating family.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 11:14

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The YouTube video is mildly entertaining. A Canadian once told me he lived in northeastern Alberta. I asked him what it was like and he said it’s boreal forest (stunted trees) ,just like the word sounds, boring .

Oh yeah... it seems a bit twisted. So that instantly gets my attention.

Whad'ya say JIMINMD?

Boooreal Ridge adventure trip = it might be better than that crappy warehouse job

Was it 5/19/77 at the Fox?

Listened to that awesome show last week. Loved the bonus tracks from the fall of 77. Always thought that was a cool idea.

What is on tap for today? Would like to see more official releases as Bolo I believe originally intended.

Peace folks.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 07:03

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What about 3/24/90?

3/24/90 - Dozin’ At The Knick (13 songs) & Spring 1990 Box (6 songs) & Postcards Of The Hangin’ (1 song) & Without A Net (1 song OMSN)

It's spread over a few releases which makes me curious to check it out again as it's definitely been awhile.

RE: DEADVIKES - Yep, yesterday BOBT picked 5/19/77.. awesome show for sure.

One of the Best from '77?

Worked my way through it late yesterday, Wow!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 07:42

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Mind Meld Left Body Jam

Spring '90 here we come!

Who woulda thought that 30 years later.. Oh, let's not go there...

Sherman, set the WABAC machine for 3/24/90 the Knickerbocker Arena in Albany, NY.
We've got some music to listen to!

… isn't that across the Whitestone or Triborough Bridge?

Nice Dave Bromberg vid. Made me check my Bromberg, I'm light in that guy, couple of shows and only an album or two. Guess I need to get more.

While Bromberging, saw Mean Mary on the right side of youtube. I like her a lot. Any Mean Mary fans out there?

Be kind, mention less new music, I can't afford no more!!!

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 08:22

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Recent talk of headphoning.

Certain albums have ALWAYS shined through the phones.

Great headphone album I've been melting my ears with the past week. (over, over and over some more)
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine. What an angry album, angry and sad. Has stood up well for me since it's release. If you can skate as fast as "Sin" you're doing great. 120 on a crouch rocket with this song, wow!

Ok, two more headphone albums I love. Dr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band & Operation Mindcrime.

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LTGTR > Help On The Way (Transition was tight) > Slipknot! (Short & Sweet) > Franklin's (These Multi-Tracks be sounding GOOD!)

I'm a likin' this already :)

For those who wanna play it through in order, here's what you need -
Set 1:
Majority - Spring 1990 Box (2012) - Disc 12 - Bonus tracks from March 24, 1990, Albany
Walkin' Blues - Dozin’ at the Knick (1996) - Disc 1
Desolation Row - Postcards Of The Hanging (2002)
OMSN - Without A Net (1990)

Set 2
Dozin’ at the Knick (1996) - Disc 2 & 3

Enjoy!

PS - Do peeps play this stuff off disc? Just curious how you peeps be doin' it, yo

Tight, I figured every body has their own work around.

I was curious how people do.

I add all audio files to my music player and control the spaceship from there.

CDs are def not my preferred medium for this here music.

Believe we had ventured to the lower seats behind the stage. Can’t remember why? Probably to meet folks and fire up during D/S, so most everyone thought the usual meh, here cones D/S etc, but no....they start going into this jam and it sounds like something??? But none of us knew exactly. Anyway, it was pretty special especially from that different perspective of being behind the band but close, and at the same time you can look out at the crowd and all that energy. Sorta like the roadies view. Anyone who has ever spent much time on stage while a band is getting it on with the crowd knows what I’m talking about...
Anyway, those were great shows!

DENNIS: tell your wife I’m sorry for making you need more Bromberg LOL 😃
But come on, it’s Danger Man!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:11

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I ripped it all to the trusty ML 9600, edited as needed and burned a HC Disc then ripped it to the server. Or I could easily shuffle correct order via Album Player. I should check out that matrix for different perspective. First I’ll have to see if Dozin is how I remember: having extra ambient mics in the mix? I seem to recall I’ve always really liked the sound on that one because of the enhanced live feeling?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:18

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During the quarantine I have been mainly listening to CDs in my basement with the old school wired hifi suround sound system.

I also have a Sonos system linked to iTunes with a lot but not all of my CDs ripped.

It is hard to use these Sonos systems when the whole family is home working and going to school. Each speaker uses something like 5 Mbs of bandwidth.

I rip everything lossless, then listen from file. If I get around to today's pick.. and I might just be able to fit that in.. I will be re-arranging and re-ordering the songs from the best available sources. A giant pain in the ass if you ask me.

When I first set up the house I live in after the move.. I put all the CDs, etc. in the office and when working at night I would play right from the CDs.. for quite some time. ..but I got tired of staying in my office for ungodly hours each day, and my work now seems to involve less data crunching, analysis, etc. so I am not quite as trapped to my office and get to escape. I have almost freed myself from swapping discs.

rip em once, play em plenty.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:49

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Nice! It's cool to hear the different set ups people are using.

OROBOROUS - That Alesis ML 9600 sounds pretty dope!

DEADVIKES - CDs in the basement are cool too, specially with some nice speakers.

JIMINMD - Agree, I like to have my music where ever I go these days, but definitely started grounded with CDs.

I back up my CD masters, then add to music player, in this case iTunes and organize from there.

If I need to retrack or splice it up I'll take the master file into Adobe Audition and work with it there.

ML 9600 peaks my interest for sure.. looks like it's discontinued though.

As a Tape Kid, When I got back into collecting in 2010, I definitely had no idea what I was doing.
Which has become apparent when I re-listen to some of these old picks and what not.
This Pick Of The Day trip has been great for finding out what I was doing 10 years ago in regards to collecting.

It's been educational for sure, and apparently we just never stop learning.

Dozin' definitely appears to have some extra ambient noise mixed in verse the Multi-Track recording from Spring '90.

Pretty stoked GDR released these bonus tracks.

Walkin' Blues made me miss Brent-Ski and this Loser is SICK!

Stoked on this show so far.

PS - All Audio geek info is highly encouraged, Best Methods etc... Might need to be a new thread ;)

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:50

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Deadvikes: if at all possible, hard wiring your Sonos network will improve both it as well as free up valuable WiFi! EDIT: professional tip of the day: always hard wire your net stuff unless you can’t!
Depending on how old your house is and what they used to wire for phones, you may be able to cobble together enough wire to do this. Often they’ll use cat 5 for phone outlets, so anyone who has cat five, even if only one per location, can do this. The only tricky part is terminating some RJ 45s, but you can source tools and supplies online or even at many big box stores, and of course you can learn how to do most things on line these days.
NOTE: as long as you don’t need any conductors for landline...I’m assuming most folks don’t use landlines anymore....

EDIT: GOGD, normal methodology is rip immediately to Server, carefully put disc back in case, put case on shelf as future backup.....unless the discs fall apart in ten years 😉 Occasionally, I’ll make a hard copy of combined or reordered stuff like 3/24 on the ML, or a road or mix copy, but I never play the source discs. Funny though back in the day before all this highfalutin’ tech, I did play Dicks etc in the car, but have never had a disc go bad.
....ok, I can hear Dennis now...”what’s that about playing with Dick in your car” yuck, yuck...

Yeah, this show is ringing my bell today.

Totally fell off my radar.

Sounds super good and the playing is tight.

Really solid Set 1.

OROBOROUS - Nice 3/24/90 Story.. And DAMN, you saw a lot of shows!
Would love to swap Hampton '87 stories sometime, those were my favorite shows that I got to attend.
The energy in that place for those shows was just Awesome!
Also down to hear more about your server & music set up at some point.

But till then, stoked thinking about wandering around the Knick while this here music plays.. cause this sounds killer.

PITB is dreamy

EDIT: OROBOROUS - Haven't heard from Dennis yet... but that's funny.
Thanks for the haps on the craps, yeah I rip 'em and run. I'm interested in that ML-9600 and server set up. Got everything on an External Drive currently but am thinking I could use a better set up. I might bug you about this some more down the road if that's cool. In the meantime, thanks for the tips and that joke. Hahaha!

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Submitted by pkpotter on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 11:15

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Love DP 18. Madison Wi. And The Wheel, and fond memory of an old friend telling me his story about hanging with Jerry at the Madison Holiday Inn...

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 11:55

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For those who care, spackling coming along fine.

ML-9600 - intrigued me enough to look also. Went to their web, yes, appears discontinued. I read their description and thought, "shit, that's gonna be a few bucks." Was shocked high price I saw (for ten seconds of looking) was 300 bucks. Still don't think I need one, but a lot cheaper than I had in mind. I was thinking 1-2k. Why I'm not on the price is right.

Home network/wi-fi/wired - two cents on this. My wi-fi sucked for a sundry of reasons. Found these thing by EERO, they replace your current wifi. I bought the 3 unit box. They talk to each other and can balance the load. Also learned about "switches" (I think that's the name). Stupid little cheap boxes that act almost like a usb hub. Run a cat 5 wire out of router, plug into this thing and bang you got 6 more holes you can plug cat 5 wire into. So one cat 5 wire into attic, into switch and then a cat 5 to each room. The switch I got runs off 5 volts. One of my cat 5 wires goes to eero box 2, other side of house in tv room. Box 1 is connected directly to router. Box 3 in other end of house, close enough to box 1 to run wi-fi between them, but communication between 1 & 2 are wired.

Got that?

I've always liked Dozin, my era I guess. I go with the crowd mike added in. But the recording I think is great. Used to listen to the disc a lot when first came out on good stereo. I need to splice the 2 "spaces" into 1 space, just because.

Playing Dick in car!?! I would never complain, I'm an Auto-Erotic. Owned a repair shop for years, fixed cars long time.

Back to spackle.

that’s where I am now, oh yeah!
Always loved LTGTR opener, usually a good sign and set a kind vibe..but did not expect a H/S/F after. Phil’s killin’ it on the intro to Help, and they nail the start, shit their nailing things like a damn carpenter all over this! Always loved that Loser! Nice OMSN end of set change up. Smooth spacey, but tight, Playin’, awesome jam and transition into UJB, then like a Swiss watch, Jers not messin’ around, head first into this smooth Terrapin etc, and of course that sweet jam. Moments like that were what kept me still going after all the years....And all this goodness even before a great 90 D/S midi fest, it’s a shame Lee eSdee and I weren’t hanging out at this time..
Wheel, Watchtower when it was fresh, Stella...oh Stella, sigh, Oh to be able to hear Jer live bring it all down, way down, like during a Stella or Dew one last time, to lay me down, sigh.
I probably felt like at the time like “shit, another NFA, had to wreak a near perfect show” lol, damn picky dead heads!..but it works, I mean what else to cap this awesome show, Dew? Well, ya knew they’d be saving that one...no, it probably had to be NFA, with the still fresh and always welcome (to this day) Bid You Goodnight!
Yeah, you had me roped in instantly on this one even though I just limped through the 30 year spring 90 thing back in March! Big thanks to the picker, Brillant Mate!

Yes, unfortunately out of production. Best gear I ever bought! List was around 2K, I got mine back around 02-93? Think I paid around 1200 at Full Compass, which used to kick ass, great prices and no secondssold as new like muscians friend...
Ive always been a gear geek. BITD no matter how poor i was, hell I often didn’t have a car, but from high school on I always had me at least a decent stereo. So I’ll talk gear or tell stories with all y’all anytime, but I fear there are many here among us who feel this is but a joke!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 13:13

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Oroborous, interesting information on Sonos. You have peaked my interest on hard wiring the speakers. Could you elaborate on that? I thought the whole point of Sonos was plug in anywhere, no wires, which my wife loves, and run it through WiFi?

Appreciate your expertise as I know this is your profession.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 13:33

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What's the origin story of that title?

I'm gonna blame that title for me always blowing off this release.. cause it's a bad ass show.
And it's not a snooze fest even if it's marketed as one!
(This is all tongue in cheek btw, keep up the good work Dead.net and see comments below about Fade In & Out Tracks if anyone who produces these great CDs read this stuff)

I thoroughly enjoyed all of that.

The Set 2 PITB > UJB > Terrapin > Mind Left Body > Drums is a spring '90 highlight!
Inventive, fresh, strong singing. Damn these people that release this stuff might be on to something:)
Space > Wheel > Watchtower real nice, usually tire of later Watchtowers, but this was played with some real gusto.
Stella Blue even caught my daughter's attention, she said "this one is really good Dad, did Jerry write this?"
But got pissed when I told her that NFA was a cover, she mentioned that should be a Dead song.
AWBYGN is always a treat and Jerry sounds like he's really enjoying delivering this one.

Far OUT!

I'm stoked that came up, thanks to DEADVIKES for keeping us on course with releases and Thanks to the GD for breaking that one up all into pieces so that I didn't really want to listen to it that much and could really enjoy it today!

RE: JIMINMD I agree that trying to patch up fade in & outs is a pain for real.
If the power's that be read this stuff a couple of separated Fade In & Fade Out tracks placed at the beginning and the end can easily be added to any CD to keep continuity and easily deleted by the consumer to create seamlessness for the hardcore freaks. Just saying.. that'd be great!

RE: OROBOROUS Tech talk rules and I appreciate the Gear info and hopefully we can continue this... but the hour is getting late, hey!

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Submitted by Jack Baller on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 14:14

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Given the album cover and Albany's proximity to the Catskill Mountains, "Dozin" is a reference to the Rip VanWinkle story. Deeply ingrained in those of us from Upstate NY!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 15:25

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Ah-ha! Now that makes sense.

Thanks JACK BALLER!
I now know with the help of your response and a quick google search that Rip Van Winkle is one of the Great Northern Catskills best-loved figureheads.
That makes so much sense, and the regional touch is really cool.

This came out in 1996 and I've always questioned the marketing angle as the first thing I thought of was why would they release this if they thought it was a snooze fest?

But lo!! It's quite a bit more clever than I.. and it's pretty keen.
(I didn't recognize ole Rip in the bushes and thought that was just some stoned hippie laying there;)

That clears up a lot and makes me like this release that much more.

DAVE ROCK: Dosin' at the Knick ain't bad either as I'm sure there was a lot of that too...

Well, you just can't beat that.
Good music and I learned a few things.

The Good Ole Grateful Dead strikes again!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 17:53

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Excellent advice Jimbo.

I listen to new CD arrivals to confirm that they are not defective, then make a disc image on a HD. I then type in the track names and make any necessary edits (removing those stupid overlap transitions between CD’s), and export the files as Sd2f. The Sd2f file is then used to make copies in various formats: AIFF, ALAC, FLAC, AAC-320 (each format on a separate HD).
The ALAC files go onto micro SDXC cards for my iBasso music players (DX80 and DX120), and into iTunes for my iPod 5 Classic which a few months ago I upgraded to 1 TB using an iFlash Quad.
The AAC-120 and FLAC files are for playing from USB drives in cars.
With the AIFF files I burn 2 copies to CD-R as backups (glad I started doing that now that the CD rot issue has been brought to our attention), and listen to one of the copies to confirm that the files on the HD are not corrupt.

I then make multiple HD backups

Where do I find the time?
I don’t play video games, I don’t go to movies, and I watch very little TV (no Netflix or other subscriptions). I do watch a lot of hockey but I can see and hear the TV from where my computers are, so I try to have the computers running and converting audio files/burning discs while watching hockey.

I do get to listen to a lot of GOGD.

Great choice, I was able to listen to I believe everything except Desolation Row. Still have my Dozin copy from 1996 and the first Spring 1990 opening tunes. Top shelf!

I will throw out another 90s release for tomorrow, 8/13/75, One From the Vault.
I have two copies of this, the original 1991 release and the remastered release from 2007. The upgrade is awesome.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 18:55

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...On behalf of the group"

Pretty much have this whole show memorized, as it's always in heavy rotation. What the heck, in the interest of supporting my Deadhead brethren, of all genders, races, political leanings and creeds, I'll cue it up tomorrow and play it LOUD on the big boy system!!

Unless my wife is home, then it's headphones.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:21

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Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:22

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in the queue...

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:42

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Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:48

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To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
- Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
- Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
- Research and get best Router you can
- Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

Nite all.

Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

Oroborous, appreciate the information.

Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 22:34

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Good stuff!

JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

Fun Discussions tonight all.

Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

Until then be well

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 01:49

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An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 03:27

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This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 05:57

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Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

Goog the name. The things we can learn here.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 07:39

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Sleigh Bells Ring, are you listening?

I can still remember how excited I was when they announced One From The Vault

When I got the 2 CD set (which is next to me and has very small print that I can barely read now, but no "Disc Rot";) and listened to the music contained within it was a revelation:

This show is amazing! And it's complete and sounds incredible! This is how it could be! This could change everything! I could get all the shows sounding like this! They might release like a show a month or something! It's going to be off the hook! How will I afford it all?!?!

1991 the flood gates opened
with a trickle..

pretty cool

PS -
The Sleigh Bells in Slipknot!
The Harmonies in The Music Never Stopped..
Oh Boy!
I love this show:)

Be Well All, got some Fun Listening to do today.

What a First Set!!

Can only imagine what it was like to see this band back then, literally :)

That's gotta be up there with greatest ever Set 1.. if there is such a thing
EDIT: Forgot 3/2/69 in my excitement.. so never mind the "greatest ever" language, Great Set 1!

Dammit Jim, now my secret is out....part of why they put me in that dog getup, easier to contain!

VAULT 1: what GOGD said “Thanks UA & Rackow: yeah, I member all the excitement when the first stuff started trickling out, and the quality, Oy! Funny now how we critique many of the earlier generation releases now, but back then it was like gettin some when you were young!

DEADVIKES: if you have the wire in your house, id try just hardwiring stuff and adding a net switch. That shouldn’t cost you that much and it should help. Later you can always upgrade the other components if you want, but hardwiring stuff will help with any application. (To see what wire you have find your phone distribution point. There should be a at least one wire per room. If there is several of the same type, it should be marked on the side. If it’s cat 5 or better your good to go.

Ok, now time to fire up 8/13/75!