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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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September 18, 2023 - 2:02pm

#871

Oroborous

Joined:
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Misery loves company, JK

Yeah 1stshow I hadn’t planned to do it.I mean I’ve been meaning to, but, like many things nowadays, always low on roundtoits ; ). Reminds me of this guy we picked up on Ziggy Marley tour doing merch back in 96 I believe.
Flew into DC, met PK from Jersey, counted stuff in at the 9:30 club, then just tried to keep up with ole PK. Out on town all night, then immediately had to drive to next show etc…
Dude knows everyone everywhere and can get you ANYTHING you need in almost any city!
Damn Rastas were asking him to get them weed everywhere as he had better connections lol
Been a road dog forever! Anywho, somewhere in the mayhem we ran into a buddy of his from Virginia who decided one show wasn’t enough fun. He only ment to go to the next one, and every night kept saying “ok, this is the last one, then I have to get back”…we’ll this went on for over a week until finally, after Panama beach show we literally had to make him get on a bus and go home lol. Guy was helpful and we all had big fun, but the poor bastard was wearing the same clothes etc and didn’t have anything with him, totally spontaneous trip. Think after a couple daze we bought him some fresh underwear and gave him a couple tour shirts to change into lol.
So that’s kinda how I started E72 this time, ok, I’ll do one more. Finally, though this isn’t a good time, time wise etc, figured, fug it, buy the ticket, take the ride! So, always more fun with a tour buddy!

Yeah, I’m with you on 5/3. It is a damn good show, but I didn’t get as blown away as some…
But I’ll need to reacquaint with it…top five, good luck. I can’t do it. Their all so good, sure I like some perhaps more, but their just different enough I can’t pick a top dog…
Yeah, what a surprise, the French were the most vocal lol

Yeah DV, im worried about the VIKS, Bills too, though they seemed like their old selves again this week. But like the Viks, ya never know what’s next lol. Rootin for underdog Lions, and Falcons, though I really like this kid Field with Da Bears…
I’ll have to try and find that Dave article. He always says that and he doesn’t do it all the time, and they have mostly stayed clear of anniversaries, but he has been dipping liberally from that early possibilities list he mentioned back at the start of DaP.

Those all sound familiar Jim, but I’m on a job site so can’t look up in my Db.
Tempting all, but I’m on tour in Europe with ole 1stshow and don’t like to listen to other Dead until the trip is over…
1970 is perhaps last frontier I haven’t really got the toe wet yet. Need another roundtoit!
September 18, 2023 - 1:19pm

#872

DeadVikes

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Shows/Relix

Hey OB, not off to a good start here in MN, but actually not that surprised. Go Bills!

There is an interesting article in Relix with Dave L. that was posted last week I believe. Check it out.
Dave claims there is no list and they don't generally release shows or box sets based on anniversaries. This year's box was just a coincidence. So, what does that mean for 2024? Not sure. Would love to see that October 74 Winterland box released. Who wouldn't?
I thought the 74 Winterland shows were recorded by Bill Wolf as part of the Movie production agreement with United Artists. I believe everything is there and based on the material from the 2005 soundtrack, and bonus material, it is fantastic.

Madison Square Garden 87. Those are some good shows Jim. Might have to join you on 9/18 as I have that 30 Trips show handy.
September 18, 2023 - 12:12pm

#873

1stshow70878

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5-3-72 Paris

Huge and another damn near perfect show with 3 Other Ones! The crowd seems more engaged and yelling a bit more than some of the more polite audiences. And interestingly they didn't understand that the show wasn't over at set break. Read attendee Bob Welle's review in DeadbaseX and his cool viewpoint of having been cruising around EU and just luckily caught this one, wondering who are these new people on stage.
After all these good ones in a row it's hard to see the almost Barton Hall fervor over this one though. I'm having a tough time doing a top 5 of the first 11 shows they are all so good but this one is certainly in there. Onward indeedy! Didn't expect anyone to join in my insanity to do them all so good on ya' Oro. Had to do it once in a lifetime, lol.
Cheers
September 18, 2023 - 12:02pm

#874

JimInMD

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Ha

I was talking about a mini box of Feb '74 before they released 2/24 (and now 2/23), but I like the way you think.

I always assumed, probably incorrectly, that there were problems with the recordings of much of the October 74 run. I know Owsley was very vocal that they had excessive bleeding from mic to mic, etc.

As for something to listen to today.. not that I am strictly a Today in GD History person but 9/18/70, 9/18/74 and 9/18/87 were all excellent shows. 9/16/87 was surprisingly good for the period also.

That's all I have for now.
September 18, 2023 - 11:37am

#875

Oroborous

Joined:
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Ok, back to Europe

Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?
September 18, 2023 - 10:34am

#876

Oroborous

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More shows

That’s all I ment.
Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
Like most things, no easy answers.
It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
A well, it’s early still…
September 18, 2023 - 9:17am

#877

DeadVikes

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October 26, 2016

Releases

Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.
September 18, 2023 - 8:46am

#878

1stshow70878

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Box discussion

I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
Cheers
Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.
September 18, 2023 - 7:44am

#879

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Y’all are missing the point…

I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
Their not going to do this forever!!!
For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
My plan,
25 for primal 67-70
15 for 71
20 for 72
20 for 73 (at least!
? 74 might just be mostly scraps
20? for 76? Maybe
77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
20 for 78
20 for 79 and 80
20 for 81 & 82
20 for 83 & 84
20 for 85 & 86
20 for 87 & 88
20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
20 for 91 & 92
20 for 93-95
These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
You could still make them “limited”…
Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
Tic toc…
September 18, 2023 - 2:44am

#880

daverock

Joined:
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Winterland 74 box

Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

John Perry Barlow

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

JimInMD

Check your PM, please

6/9/90

LTGTR and an excellent Stranger to start off nice. A sweet little Peggy O, perhaps slow, or is it that laid back hometown California mellow? Either is good. Shootem up polka time, followed by an always welcome Loser, status quo masterpiece, my 2nd Loose Lucy after Hamilton, which seemed looser than the first, but more fun this time around as I was with real life 20 yr old Loose Lucy!. Decent Cassidy with a Dough Knees to bring her home. Another neat, together, but unremarkable set. Status quo for this year. Seemed perhaps a little less enthusiasm then yesterday, but picks up as it continues.
Nice Victim to shake things up a bit and get er going, but the TOG is perhaps a tad behind the curve for this show? 2nd set LL Rain that Bob gets things stepped up a bit and sets the tone for nice terrapin, but unfortunately there’ll be no extra credit jam/weirdness tonight on the way to drums. Awesome long weird space which segway's nicely into Mr Fantasy/Hey Jude. Watchtower kicks it up before the nice bring down to Stella Blue. Lovelight and Black Muddy to send us home, which in this case was stealth, late night, poolside surrounded by palm trees at the hotel. Man to this “southern Canadian” palm trees was a pretty big deal! So far I think I like 6/8 overall but they both where like Otis and GOGD mentioned: decent, tight, status quo 90 shows with a definetly laid back home town vibe. (Meant in a good way). Spoke with my cousin who was there about his recollections and he agreed about the whole Cali vibe thing and to us north East nuts it was pretty cool.
Ok, manana we’ll finish Cal Ex up and I’ll share a humorous take from that night after at the hotel. I believe statue of limitations is over for hotel damage? Lol. Maybe I can find a photo of our motley crew having breakfast on the haight a day or two later?

Strider

Pretty cool Strider you were at the 6/9/77 show. How about you Bolo?

Where you guys in the Grateful Dead Movie?
Don't tell me you were the guy in the overalls eating chicklets.

They Promised They Would Play Tonight

You Just Wait...

The chiclet guy rules.

So does 6/9/77
Hot show for sure... Just a Dream.
Set 1 is solid '77 Dead until TMNS then it starts to turn the corner into Extraordinary.
Set 2 is wow just wow.
That Slipknot! it's gonna get some extra rotation tonight.
The Terrapin Station tunes are given some really good readings.
Estimated goes way out there, sounds like they'd been playing it forever, or at least every show all tour.
And then they slide a Terrapin in after St. Stephen for an extra Dose of fun before bringing it home with Sugar Mags.
They didn't have to do that, they could've just played Sugar Mags, but they really bring it to Winterland.
Great version of US Blues and OMSN too.

Hot Damn.. nice pick.
You can hear the fun.
That was fun.
And you all were there!

OB: You summed up 6/9/90 real nice.
And I nod in agreement with what you been laying down.
Looking forward to the party story and 6/10 show tomorrow.

Birthday Show for me :)

Thank You All And Good Night!

Winterland

I was referring to the several times seeing the Dead at Winterland but no not 6/9/77. First time seeing the Dead at that venue was February 1974 the night before the Dave’s Picks release show. Then four out of the five nights from October 1974. Missed the first night as I was hitchhiking down from Eugene. I’m in the Grateful Dead movie dancing in the crowd during Playing-Reprise. Then I was at 12/29/77 and 12/30/77 that was released as one of Dicks Picks.
My first time to Winterland was May 1973 to see Hot Tuna. Muddy Waters opened. Also saw Dave Mason there in 74.
Needed to set the record straight.

Winterland

My first show there was 11/10/73, missed very few after that. I listed the ones I went to on my page here, only because one of my buddies kept track of such things.

I have no way of remembering every show at other venues - way too many and my feeble brain doesn't retain details like that. And, yes, like many of you, I was very fortunate to be roaming this planet during that magical time.

PMs Checked

Wow.. don't check your PMs for a day, get one from Bolo with an urgent sequence of instructions and the DJIA drops 300 points.

Tomorrow's Pick

Might be time for another Bolo pick?

Something primal, perhaps?

https://archive.org/details/gd1968-10-12.139745.sbd.miller.Glassberg.fl…

Go ahead - turn it up and scare the neighbors!!

10/12/68. What a show!

This show is a winner from start to finish, it burns! It has my all-time favorite version of St. Stephen on it. I guess the story goes, that Hendrix was standing on the side of the stage but the Dead didn't let him up to play. The Dead had invited him out to practice with them and he never showed up. Pig Pen apparently didn't play, because his girlfriend was sick. This show was originally broadcast on Bay Area radio station KPFA, a fantastic listener sponsored radio station that you can get online, they play all kinds of great music. Phil Lesh used to work as an engineer at KPFA back in the early 1960s on a show called the Midnight Special , folk music show, and he brought Jerry Garcia on there to play some shows on the radio. Anyway,. 10/12/68 has always been of my favorite shows, hopefully Dave & Co. willl release it one day, put together a box set, two shows from 68, 69 and 70.

10/12/68

10/12/68 it is Bolo!

Please Let Go of Your Bodies Everybody!

Everybody Has to Dance or Else.

10/12/68 at the Avalon Ballroom.

Anybody got any Avalon stories out there?

This is one of my all time favorites for sure :)
Love '68
Here we go.
Have a safe trip everybody!

Primal then Prime-Time

Sweet pick! I think I actually prefer 68 to 69 (please, no rotten tomatoes!) 10/12/68 is a perfect start to this blazing hot day... and I agree - it's time for Dave to release a 68 show - this one is certainly a contender!

Afterwards, I think I will finish out the Cal Expo 90 run with the 6/10 show. I've really been enjoying those this week.

Hope everyone is safe, happy, and staying cool!

Peace

St. Stephen

St Stephen is just crackling with energy, as is the whole show!

The older I get the more I like New Potato Caboose

Phil's base jam is crushes it!!!! Onward to 6/10/76 for a little anniversary listen... bob t

Did someone say 1968?

Hell yea. Light the fuse and run away.

10/12/68

Great show! I don't think I've listened to this in its entirety before. This is also my first time trying the Relisten app -(how nice!) I love the separation of the drummers in this music.

10/12/68

The "Jam" before Feedback is cool - starts off in "Other One" territory, then moves to something totally original, then gets very close to "Caution" - I bet they would have gone there if Pig hadn't been missing.

Feedback... and, goodnight!

Does anyone know if the "Morning Dew" that starts the set on this recording (at least the one that Bolo posted) is from this show? It doesn't seem to be on the setlist.

On to Cal Expo!

Peace

EDIT: It looks like "Dew" was the opener, but for some reason it was left off the set list.

Here's the thing...

Today's pick was recorded over 50 years ago - half a century. In 5 decades, no other music created since then comes anywhere close to what I heard today. Normally, I'd probably add "IMHO" to the end of that last sentence. Not this time - it's an indisputable fact.

I had a non-head musician friend years ago question my over-the-top enthusiasm for the Dead, saying they were slow and sloppy, couldn't rock out, Garcia just "noodles" aimlessly, etc. In other words, the usual misinformed opinions we've all heard and read before.

I played "The Eleven" from this show for him on a really good sound system, sat back and watched his face morph from surprise to disbelief to joy and wonder. He was literally speechless for a good chunk of time before the expected "WOW" passed his lips. An instant convert! He still blames me for his "incurable disease" on a regular basis.

Gollum mentioned the drums. While one can intelligently debate the one- vs. two-drummer format from 1975 on, there is probably little dissension regarding the irreplaceable impact of Billy and Mickey abusing their instruments during the"primal" period. The whole band was a flat-out juggernaut during that time and the two drummers had a lot to do with that.

What a band. So grateful that we here all "get it."

Relisten....

....been Relistening for a while. Cool app. The right side sidebar lets you pick the source. Less clunky than the archive for sure. Sacrilege? Maybe.
10.12.68? I was five months old. Bring it to my diapers!!

Right on Bolo!

I have several buddies that still refer to it as pots and pans.
They clearly don't get it.

So much unbelievable music! Still can't explain it to even family members.

But every day, I still want to listen to the treasuries we have.

More to come.

1968 - you're fired!

This was the year that drew me in. Back in the 70s, I had heard a few albums by the Dead, but it was only after I heard Anthem that it all clicked into place. After getting into that one, all the others started to make sense.

Incidentally, it was in October, as I understand it, that Pigpen and Bob were...strange as it may now seem...sacked. And those Mickey and the Hartbeat shows were played between October and December, without either of them in attendance. I used to think that was why Pigpen didn't play on 10/12/68. But I could clearly be wrong - both he and Bob played a lot of shows with the Dead during the same period as the Mickey and the Hartbeat shows.

Today's Pick

What's on tap for today gents?

FourWinds, where are you?

I might check out 5/28/77, the last night of the Spring Tour. To Terrapin Release from 2007.

Thank You Mr. Garcia!

Yesterday's 10/12/68 pick definitely took me places.

Places I'd been before, and new places as well.

As said here by others, some really wonderful stuff going on throughout this magical show as the band jettisons into a new universe & explores the improvisational music cosmos.

By October '68 Dark Star has begun to grow larger wings, but it's still a baby bird that will take flight and leave the nest soon. Of note in this version is Bear's recording (I believe) and Mickey's playing of the "Scratcher". It sounds as though Mickey's walking around on stage while he plays, at least that's how it sounds with Headphones, the instrument is truly circling around your head in this recording. How bad ass is that? And this is a bootleg from over 50 years ago!

However, while Dark Star is just beginning to really gain strength in it's legs, St. Stephen is Standing Proud & Tall and has possibly reached it's greatest height, this is an almost absolutely perfect version of the song, and if you listen to some of the earlier versions from the summer of that year ('68 mystery reels come to mind, possibly from Carousel June '68), it's some amazing growth that this song has gone through in appx 4 months! The audience already loves this song as evident when you put on 9/2/68, within the first notes on that version the crowd starts getting so excited it throws the band off with surprise. St. Stephen, with it's William Tell Bridge, will continue to be this height for a little while longer, but will begin to diminish and shrink with age in the following year. I'm not sure it ever gets much higher than this version.

That brings us to The Eleven, I think Bolo says it best, this version can convert a non-believer. So imagine what it does to all of us already at the church. This is an absolute ripping version of the song and all the long months of rehearsal are truly evident when you listen to the effortlessness of which they throw this song down.

And to complete the suite they seg seamlessly into a sultry Death Don’t. Listen to Jerry sing during Death Don't, man could that guy sing a song with emotion. People would criticize that voice, but I always thought it was the most wonderful voice of all ;)

Oh... and there's a Set 2!!!

Which just absolutely shreds your face off, if it was still left, hanging there by a thread.

This is manic air guitar, give you the chills, tears in your eyes, shake your head in wonder stuff here people!! I want to hear it again, and again and again!

So like I said, it took me places, I dived deep into some '68 after this 10/12 relisten, I had to hear the next night 10/13/68 SBD (not as good, but see for yourself), 10/20/68 30 Trips release (check the difference between the Dark Star’s), and 9/2/68 (interesting recording, I need to check back on this, my mind was melted at this point and life distracted me).

What a Trip!

And like mentioned here, this was all during a time when Pigpen & Bobby were on thin ice and "fired" from the band.
Fascinating.

I believe a ’68 release or box set was mentioned, it’s hard to think that we’ll get one based on what exists (appx 37 shows / fragments) and quite a few have been released. Sadly most of Summer ’68 is a black hole, as well as the touring at the end of the year. There are definitely shows that were recorded that we don’t have, whether or not they still exist or not is a bigger question, I know Bear recorded more than we have especially in regard to the later part of the year, but for now the trail stops there and I’m afraid it is a bit cold…

That all being said, if there was a ’68 box style release I’d vote for The Quick And The Dead tour in January - Feb ’68. Always loved that stuff, it’d be repetitive and have some warts and all feel, but shit I love it.

Love to hear thoughts on what you all would see as potentially release worthy. This 10/12/68 show should be a definite consideration.. if they can make it sound even better I’ll be the first to drop down some cash to get it!

You’re still here?? Crazy kids..

After I came to earth from that I continued our little Cal Expo ’90 relisten and loved it too. I think 6/10/90 is my favorite show from the run, but you know Playing In The Band usually makes me say that. The Jack Straw is definitely worth listening too. And Phil saying he’s not gonna quit the band and it’s all a bullshit lie, with Jerry saying yeah, the rest of us are, well.. that’s priceless.

What’re we gonna listen to today?

Edit: 5/28/77 you say... looks promising and it's been awhile.

10/12/68

Thanks for all the great reviews of this show. I now know I will be stuck re-listening to this show for the next couple of weeks. That's the way this thread has worked for me. I can't always keep up with the daily schedule but I've gained a whole new appreciation for some shows, namely, the 2 DP #18 shows(2/3&5/78), DP#5 (12/26/79), the Cow12/31/76. It's just been taking me a couple of weeks to grok each pick. Thanks to everyone for contributing. This thread has been one of the few highlights of this lockdown!

To Terrapin

I really enjoyed revisiting this release today. I remember having some mixed feelings about it when it came out, but today it sounded fresh! I've always loved that "Sugaree", and the whole 3rd disc is pure Spring of 77 butter.

Good pick!

Peace

5/28/77 To Terrapin

I love this show. The sound quality to my ears is one of the best 77 releases to date. Jerry just seems to really be on fire the entire show. Kills it on Bertha, Sugaree is so good. New Minglewood Blues is a top 5 for me and the Brown Eyed Women is another high energy version. The Playing in the Band into Terrapin is hot. And the finish, NFA through US Blues is stellar.

I don't think this release gets a lot of talk, but it should.

And I think it is still available on this site for under $30!

Format

How about leaving a random day, perhaps Sunday, as a day to revisit that show you missed but wanted to hit and talk about or any of the other show you were behind on? A day of peace and re-visitation/re-visualation.. A chance for the slackers to peek in on a show from a few days ago they squeezed in a day or three late.

Is something like that reasonable?

A day in support of the under achievers.

I remember when E72 came out.. I think in the fall, but I more or less started on 4/7 and struggled to keep up with the anniversary dates. Hearing the post from deadheadbrewer finally pulled me out of the closet. I can do a show every two to three days unless I have time carved out, without distractions, cell phones and it helps if I am able to indulge in a bit off external stimuli, especially the kind that warps space and time. Just saying...

In other words, I missed To Terrapin and am beating myself up about it. Heaven help the fool.

Catch Up Day

Seems like a good idea Jim. The only way I am able to do this is I am still working at home.

And I don't think we can all make every show, although, I have tried. Some days I have to finish in the morning the next day.

However, the leader of this pack, Bolo, and the rest of the crew would have to give it the Thumbs Up.

And I am interested in your take on To Terrapin....

Still wonder what was going on back in 2007 to 2009 that they released some unreal stand alone shows.

Would love to see some more pop up again.

2007 - 2009 Stand Alone Releases

Ha.. my guess, they needed money.

I doubt if any of this needs to be that formal. Consensus is probably enough. A day of rest and reflection. Seems norml enough to me.

I missed 5/15/70 which was a biggie for me, and we never got around to 11/8/69 yet. I will be doing extra stimulus for both of those.. :D

Caution

I'm the last person you should seek out for advice, permission, orders or any type of instruction.

Do you recall the recent failed overthrow of the Venezuelan government? I planned that.

At 7:05 p.m. on June 12, 1980

a plume of ash billowed 2.5 miles above the Mt. Saint Helens volcano in Washington.

At 9:09 p.m. a much stronger explosion sent an ash column about 10 miles skyward.

This event caused the Portland Oregon area, previously spared by wind direction, to be thinly coated with ash.

Dead Heads who were attending the Grateful Dead's concert at Portland Memorial Coliseum still question whether the band had helped cause this while playing Fire On The Mountain that night.

Should we listen and see today?

There's a new Charlie Miller Upgrade on archive..

1980

Let's do it GOGD.

I am going to have to figure out how to use that relisten app.

I don't know Bolo, I would listen to your advice.

Jim, money money money, money money! Mama, don't take me back to rob that bank again.

6/12/1980

Okay, relisten app installed on my Sonos app. Wow, that is cool. Alabama Getaway opener sounds good.

Technical question for you all. It says it is a FLAC file. Does it really play as a FLAC file or is it MP3?

I'm always amazed

how many listen, that much. I could never keep up with the pace!! I stab at single picks with morning coffee if someone really mentions something of interest. Listening to Alabama from 80, right now. Good Bama, short only 5-ish.

But once again, main reason here, musical conversation. I will check out the "new" Charlie copy, mine is ok.

Oh, if you hate plinky keys, stay away, Brent rips ups the plinks near the end :-)

Althea Told Me..

Nice!

Definitely check out the Phase corrected SBD posted on 6/3/20 -
https://archive.org/details/gd1980-06-12.150005.sbd.phasefix.miller.fla…

Noticeable upgrade in quality for sure.
Hadn't had a chance to listen to this fix yet and it's sounding good.
Nice work as always Charlie!

Haven't checked out relisten, but I'd guess that it's playing an Mp3 file.
However, that is completely a guess.

It's Miller Time to start a Friday.
With Shakedown Stream to follow this evening with Bruce.

Not too shabby.

Happy Friday everyone!

RE: DENNIS

Plinky Keys... Hahaha!

LOL that's funny.

If you hate Plinky Keys, you're gonna have a tough time with '79-'81 ish...

Wait, when did Plinky Keys disappear?

As far as I can tell they were always a little "Plinky" throughout Brent, super Plinky in the beginning, but even '84 and on.

I will say this, Brent sounded like Brent which I believe as a musician seems to be what they're going for.. a Unique sound.

EDIT: But yeah, this one is SUPER Plinky ;)

1980, Baby!

Oh, hell yes!

I love 80, plinky keys and all! I suppose I understand why some fans don't like it, but I also feel like they are missing the forest for the trees. There are so many GREAT shows during the early part of Brent's tenure, especially 79-80. Oh well... I suppose they don't feel like they are missing anything.

I have a Google Class Meeting with my students (one of the last before summer) at 1:00 EST, so I will have to do my listening afterwards, but that just means that I can set up outside, grab some cold drinks, and really enjoy this one.

Miller Time on a Friday? I LOVE it!

I am all for a "catch-up day," but can I suggest it be a day other than Sunday? I feel like that and Saturday are more likely to be a time where we will have a better chance to all listen more-or-less together. Also, I've always believed in the mantra, "Never Miss a Sunday Show."

Question going forward - I know that when this started, the idea was to stick to official releases. Now that it has been going on, are folks ok with suggesting non-official releases? I know this has happened a few times (like today,) and I am fine with sticking mostly to the officials, but it is nice to get out there in the wilds sometimes to see what we can bring back. Plus, with the wealth of knowledge among you fine folk, I am sure that you all can show me some killer shows that I have never heard. Just a thought.

Happy Friday, DeadLand!

Peace

EDIT: I checked out "Alabama>Promised Land", and yes, this Miller transfer sounds sweet!

good old and 6/12

I've always loved brent, the plinks always fit AND a B3 monster (imo).

I went back to archive for 6/12. Downloaded CM copy, I have an audience. I think this is a instance where the audience is better.

https://archive.org/details/gd1980-06-12.fob.menke.motb-0108.104967.fla…

Forget that. I just went back with the link you provided for the shiftless one. Yes much better, than the first sound board. But I guess the fob.menke one was good enough for Charlie to get a patch from.

Thanks for the heads up on archive update.

Man oh Man

This band is HOT!

Great pick! Thanks for the suggestion!!!

Peace