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    "To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

    ¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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  • #1421
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    You are correct sir about the Bm...also a Dm and Dsus2 according to Ultimate Guitar Tabs on the “Official Version”. I love the above mentioned app. Has most every song that you can think of and usually there are many versions to play so if you’re not quite getting one arrangement there is usually a way for guys like me to dumb it down a bit. That said I need to add those chords on UJB as they are in my range. Will also try the riff....I have a little pentatonic game as well! (I’m guessing there)

    For the record, and if memory serves, I do believe I’ve seen youtube of you playing WilfredT, and you are an excellent player. I’m like a wanna be campfire player at best, but it’s more fun then a frog in a glass of milk.

  • #1422
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    Hola Senor Janes

    Good to see ya!
    I think Bob was alluding to what I’ve heard/read all of them say over the years; it got harder and harder to get the band (especially Jerry) to rehearse and some of those songs you just couldn’t do well without rehearsal: LS, Cosmic Charlie, St Stephen etc. Unfortunately another side effect of ole Jer Bears monkey...especially when you consider how hard many of Jer’s parts were on these songs...it’s a bummer but no wonder many of the greats were set aside.

    GUITARS & CADDILACS; used to play all the time. Tried to play guitar for ten years, occasionally professionally, once in the studio....switched to bass and rarely looked back. Did try the solo acoustic/apre thing briefly, but wasn’t that good and it’s really hard carrying the whole show by your self. And Scarry! Don’t have that front man Mojo either “star waaarrrsss, nothing but staaaarrrrr wwwaaaarrrsss” much prefer to play with 3 to 5 people, the interaction is where it’s at. But the rush of playing in a hot band in front of a bunch of people IS uncompareble....talk about a high!
    But yeah, I preferred being in the back row under the dark lights grooving on the Bass. Played that professionally on and off for 20 years, last ten it was my main, though not only job...It was a gas, but after 100-150 nights a year, often at shitty bars and clubs, when your feet are killing you and your back can’t take that heavy lumber anymore, we’ll sometimes it’s a double edge sword doing what you love for a living....unfortunately haven’t really played in like ten years now. Had to TRY and grow up and get a real job....plus after I got booted out of my main gig, eventually all the calls stopped coming as it is a small, close knit group that gets the gigs here.
    I truly miss it in my minds eye, but I don’t miss schlepping that heavy ass gear at 3 in the morning, or getting hassled by the law, or trying to get inspired when your back hurts and it’s late, and there’s only 4 drunks left, but I do miss it.
    GUITARS
    - Ibanez Muscian Series I got in 79 and modified with Alembic circuitry/pickups in 84.
    - Madeira Acoustic
    - 84 Alembic Spoiler 4 string electric Bass
    - Michael Kelly Club Deluxe 5 String Acoustic/Electric Bass. picked this up early century when I was playing a lot to get upright sound etc. Never spent enough on upright to be proficient as it’s physicaly painful, and it’s a drag trying to play live with a loud band. I liked the sound I good get with the Kelly and a Sans Amp tech 21 Acoustic DI. It’s made for Acoustic guitar but works awesome for the Acoustic Bass. Seceret is the adjustable mid....
    shit, ramblin again, sorry, fun topic. DAVEROCK sportin’ the Bobbie Dazzler! Nice axe bra! My guitar teacher always played and sold Gretches. Wish I would of got one, but wanted a Bob Weir Ibenez so bad. Almost had one but got the Muscian series instead. I’ve seen pictures of both Bob and Jerry playing one but not sure what show (s)? Think it was around when Bob was first using Ibenez?

  • #1423
    wilfredtjones
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    There's a B Minor in there somewhere...I think after the G. The riff is fun, too! Don't forget to learn that :-)

    Thanks for sharing info. on your guitars, too. I also have a '96 Washburn (D-20 in Koa). My brother just bought his first guitar, a Seagull S6... :-)

  • #1424
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    6/22/83 source

    Yeah I think that’s the same source as I had. As I say at the time it was definetly my best sounding tape which in those days wasn’t saying much, but this one shined! Great show too, and looks like it must of been a great place to freak freely from the news clip.
    So my buddy Doug hooked up with some dude who either was doing the taping or ? Not sure I really knew, but they knew WTF they were doing, had like Nac with sennhieser mics and were usually low generation and near that quality.
    I had the best gear so most of my friends/cousins would bring their new tapes to my house for coping etc so I’d usually get decent generations. Some shows better than others depending on where they were located. Remember, this was before taper section so some diehard pros would poach in front of board, which sometimes was awesome, other times too loud or tone unbalanced etc...
    Anyway, we start getting some killer 83’s, probably end of year I’m guessing. Unfortunately I never got the source guys info and next thing you know ole Doug’s knocked up the bosses daughter, whose family is super religious so shotgun wedding and no more fun for ole druggles, poor bastard! And no more tapes for us! Dooaah
    Funny part was he got our band to play his ultra conservative wedding, but’s that’s a whole nother story for the bonfire....

  • #1425
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    Hey all, COVID seems to have me busier than I’ve ever been with both the wife and kid working and schooling here at the cave...so I’ve just been lurking here lately on the site, but I have to jump in on a good guitar convo.

    Dennis, I’ve read that 1983 is right around when Gibson started producing great acoustics again, shifting back to some of the methods that they used on 60s flat top guitars. I would love to play that Hummingbird. I’ll bet it sounds awesome, and from knowing what I know of you, it is probably very well cared for! I just recently learned UJB. It was surprisingly (to me at least) very easy to learn and made up of only 5 basic chords (G, D, C, Am, Em) which are some of the first chords (and easiest) that most guitar players will learn. Rhythmically, the toughest part of the song IMO is probably in what would be considered to be the chorus....that is the part that goes “whoa-o what I want to know is ______________....there are some quick chord changes in that line which take some practice, but all in all, not to difficult. That said, singing it and playing at the same time for me is much more difficult. I have only recently been able to incorporate some singing along with my playing and I have been playing for more than 20 years. Some of that I think is confidence factor of worrying about what others think I sound like, which I really don’t give a shit about anymore, but the other part is that rhythmically it is not easy to learn, especially if the song has difficult chord phrasing. Did anyone hear the Bob Weir Shakedown interview from Friday night? He had some interesting comments about Lost Sailor and the reason it didn’t stay around for too long in the bands repertoire. Too difficult to play and the other band members didn’t want to spend the time on it. And we’ve seen that LS has only recently been brought back into D&Cs repertoire. So this got me thinking about the progression of Bob Weirs playing ability. Of course it’s widely know that Bob was nearly kicked out of the band early on because of complaints about his guitar playing. And to be fair he only started playing guitar at the age of 13 and then met Garcia just 3 years later. And any player is going to experience some plateauing, especially early on. That said, it make me wonder if the shift in style on WMD and AB were at least partly made in efforts to help with this handicap as the arrangements are much simpler and back to the basics. (Here is a quote from wiki on the subject:
    “The incident apparently led to a period of significant growth in Weir's guitar playing. Phil Lesh said that when drummer Mickey Hart left the band temporarily in early 1971, he was able to hear Weir's playing more clearly than ever and "I found myself astonished, delighted and excited beyond measure at what Bobby was doing." Lesh described Weir's playing as "quirky, whimsical and goofy" and noted his ability to play chord voicings on the guitar (with only four fingers) that one would normally hear from a keyboard (with up to ten fingers).[13].

    Cousins: what kind of guitars do you own? What gets the most play? Based on your bands genre, I’m going to guess a Fender Telecaster?

    Here are my guitars:

    1). 1996 Washburn Limited Edition Acoustic
    2). 2017 Gibson Les Paul High Performance in Cherry Red Sumburst
    3). Seagull Artist Studio CW Deluxe Element
    4). MJT Custom Telecaster build that is aged vintage relic...Taos Turquoise over 3-Tone burst
    5). Rhino issued Grateful Dead Dancing Bear/Stealie ukulele (don’t really play this one just decoration
    6). I also recently ordered a Taylor GS Mini Koa Plus E with edge burst on my 4 years zero interest Sweetwater card. I needed a good travel guitar and this one gets phenomenal reviews....can’t wait!, but sshhhhhh! Don’t tell Mrs Casey!

    -the one I play the most (currently) is the Seagull...most accessible hanging on the wall right next to the couch in my living room. It has a pick up so I can plug it in but I rarely do as it projects nicely anyway. It as a solid Sitka Spruce Top, with Solid Rosewood back and sides, Mahogany neck and Ebony fingerboard, gold vintage tuners. It’s a beautiful guitar that sounds just as good as it looks.

    Oro - Great repo car story...had me LOL as usual! For those interested, I promise to finish my Gorge story very soon. Fell off the wagon on that one, but the details are still there. Anniversary is also fast approaching....bummed I can’t do the repeat as I planned for Boulder in July...hopefully we can get back at it soon!

    Doc - Great to read your regular posts again. Glad you’re back.

    Be Well Dead People!

    KCJ

    Led Ded: just read your post...couldnt agree more. No better hobby and incredibly gratifying when you are able to overcome a plateau....repitition and practice....I’m at least one hour a day usually early mornings or later at night!

  • #1426
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    Yes, some of us really play...

    I am a guitar freak. I have about two dozen electrics, two acoustics and a couple basses, untold effects pedals and several amps. I actually do pick up those instruments with my two hands and play the shit out of them, every day, sometimes only for a half hour and other times all day long, esp. on weekends.

    It's the most gratifying hobby I've ever known. When you start out, you suck and sound like shit. Over time, you learn other people's songs, chord changes, scales, etc. One day you find yourself sitting there with a drink and wailing along to "Layla" at full volume, kicking ass and blending right into the record. And then, you start coming up with your own stuff. Some people eschew covers and play as themselves right off, but if there's a kind of music you like, learning that stuff gives you a toolbox of techniques from which to start doing your own thing.

    You get out of it what you put into it, practice practice practice. I don't really practice so much as play, but you hone your skills through repetition and hours devoted as you pick up new things here and there. One of my favorite things is to crank up a "Big River" like the one on One From The Vault, and wail along with Jerry. He was so good in his prime it's sick.

    I'm not in a band. I have a straight job and a family (and a mortgage etc.) However now and again getting in a room with other musicians, especially with drums present, and turning up is as much fun as it looks. Unfortunately it looks like a bleak time right now for anyone struggling to make it as a musician. First album sales were destroyed by the internet and bands had to depend on live concerts and merch sales. What are they going to do now?

    A long time ago, I might have leaned that way, but I'm glad I went with the straight job, keeping the guitar playing on the side, pure artistic expression with no strings attached or record company bullshit. Last, anyone who's always wanted to learn to play the guitar, go buy a decent one and get after it! If you keep with it, it will reward you more than you can imagine.

    \m/

  • #1427
    Deadheadbrewer
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    Did someone say, "Saint Paul"?

    LOVE that show from '77 (AND the Saint Paul show from the 1978 box), but cannot allow myself to get distracted from my E72 studies. I still need to finish Bickershaw AND Amsterdam, then get to Rotterdam on its anniversary today. The back-to-back concerts on this tour make things difficult . . .

    I didn't get into Grateful Dead until I was 21 (1991), but if I had been born ten or fifteen years earlier, I would have attended those old MN and upper-midwest shows.

  • #1428
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    Hey Dennis, I'll take your Hummingbird if it's lonely :-)
    I play guitar in a band(Western Swing/Honky Tonk) , although not sure when we'll be able to play out again this year.

  • #1429
    Dennis
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    Just got DP29 in from Real Gone Music. I never bought any of the DP's when they were coming out, my buddy was getting them and sending me copies, money was tight and what the hell. In the end, wish I had bought them all as they came. Now I'm too cheap to pay some of the prices I see for complete sets, and the wife would never understand :-).

    I have to say for anyone who hasn't bought these real gone music releases, they did a nice job on it. At first blush I thought the bonus tracks weren't included, but though not listed, they are there. It was 60 bucks from amazon (got a price cut before it shipped!) So maybe I'll look into getting the real gone collection,,,,, if it's cheap enough :-)

    Dave the Rock and the Gretsch - I know Dave's not the only one on these boards who has guitars AND I know absolutely NOTHING about guitars or playing. But I looked up your guitar and yeah, pricey things. The demo's online made it sound very nice. My question, can you really play? I've met many people over the years who have instruments of all types, played "in my youth", they can still strum a few basic cords, but really can't play. I have a Gibson hummingbird my wife gave me back in 83-ish, why, I have no idea. Maybe she thought I develop unknown talents. I told it's a nice guitar, quite a few people have strummed it over they years and say "very nice". But one night at the store a customer who came in all the time (doctor of some sort), had just bought a new hummingbird, asked me bring in my old one. Bastard sat down and knocked out UJB off top of head. Blew me away. BTW - said my old hummingbird was much louder than new ones.

    So Dave, do you play? Also other folks out there, do you really play? I believe some of you are in bands?

    Just curious.

  • #1430
    musicnow
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    The bonus disc is simply amazing! Classic songs/jams and the sound is superb. This was a GRATE addition to a magnificent show. Thank you Dave!

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sat, 06/13/2020 - 07:41

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While returning home from Boulder last summer I spoke to my friends about the possibility of the end of an era. As in surviving band members and mortality. This also holds true for any of us. There were times at Dead concerts in the 80s and 90s when the music became almost elastic or the stretching of time and space. Or an illusion of timelessness. But sometimes I would wonder during those moments about the health of Jerry in regards to the finite nature of existence. There are two songs I’ve listened to recently that really hit home, Beware of Darkness and All Things Must Pass, from one of the all time great solo albums ever created. I speak of George Harrison. Amazing that a person of such fortune and fame had such insight.
In the past few weeks my neighbor has had a nest of birds (flycatchers) build the nest, lay the eggs, hatch out, grow with blinding speed , learn to fly , and leave the nest. Nature in a microcosm of beauty and grace. ( human value projection)
My last live music events were on February 1st and 2nd a few months ago. During the day of the 1st I was at the Tohono O’odham Nation Fair west of Tucson and heard Carl and Buddies. Waila Music of the Pima and O’odham Tribes is awesome. Then on the evening of the 2nd I drove from Sells up to the the Musical Instrument Museum in Scottsdale to see the amazing contemporary Inuktitut throat singer Tanya Tagaq perform who was born and raised in Churchill Bay, Canada. I had the great honor to meet her backstage after the concert. Having read her amazing book “Split Tooth” created a positive connection. I’ve only seen two other female performers in concert that commanded all the elements in such a profound manner, Grace Slick at two different Jefferson Airplane concerts , May 3, 1970 at the Central Park Band Shell and then later that year in November at the Capitol Theater in Port Chester. The third person I must include was seeing Nina Simone perform at the Newport Jazz Festival in summer of 1970. Tanya Tagaq , Nina Simone and Grace Slick are with out a doubt the most powerful Woman singers I’ve had the sheer luck to have seen perform. They had the electrifying ability to transform the listener into realms outside of everyday mundane existence.
The Grateful Dead also had/have the ability to transport people to a higher place of liberation of the spirit. An old buddy of mine once said years back “ the Grateful Dead are shamans of the highest order”. And at the same time just regular people.
So if the last concert I ever experience in life was from Tanya Tagaq I sure as hell got my spiritual battery fully charged.
“All I know is something like a bird within her sang and then flew on.”

I wonder how often those two have been mentioned together?

STRIDER 88: Wow man.. Nina Simone Newport Jazz Festival '70 would love to hear more about that!
Keep em coming.
BTW I've been meaning to ask you, Plaid shirt GD Movie '74 PITB Reprise?

In Regards to NRPS - You gotta check out 5/2/70 & 5/15/70 good SBDs on Archive.org Legendary GD stuff and IMO best NRPS.

Live Music 2020 - With Covid Canceling everything indefinitely not sure when that will happen again and noticing that anymore I gotta pee to often. Frick.

I'm glad I was flying when I was a baby bird.

Cool convo.. and HENDRIXFREAK nailed it, Mushroom Powder & NRPS got me out of lurker mode too :)

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 06/13/2020 - 08:41

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“ the Grateful Dead are shamans of the highest order”.

Could be the smartest thing I heard this year.

btw, I took the liberties of putting the complete 5/15/70 in order using the best possible recordings available. The same for 5/2, but it was much easier to do. If anyone wants a copy, you know where to reach me..

Now.. time to begin some serious home improvement projects. Yuk to start, sort of fun halfway through and assuming I do a good job (is there any doubt), years of satisfaction on the back end.

Happy Saturday all.. Perhaps I should check into the what's playing today page before I venture out. :D

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sat, 06/13/2020 - 10:46

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Ike and Tina Turner Review also performed the same night as Nina Simone. I remember a black man say as Nina was taking the stage , “I have to stand up for Nina Simone!”
I remember some interview with Pigpen around that time commenting on Ike and Tina Turner, “ They ain’t no slouches”.
Grateful Dead Movie. Taller than others around me , denim cowboy shirt, shoulder length dark hair. Three one second shots. Also in Sunshine Daydream . Too hard to explain. Add Grateful Days about the Springfield Creamery. Also in Deadheads, a short and entertaining film about fans of the Grateful Dead. That should give you enough clues to figure it out.
“If I told you all that went down it would burn off both your ears. “

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Submitted by SkullTrip on Sat, 06/13/2020 - 11:53

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Sounds like our paths are running somewhat parallel, Lovemygirl. Sending you tons of light and love to help shoulder the weight. I know how heavy it can get.

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Spent some time with both Spring 90 box sets over the past few weeks. Must admit, I'm appreciating them more now than I did before, especially The Other One.

I'll also admit it was prompted by my son listening to the Spring 90 sampler on Spotify in his room (not a bad turn for a kid who used to call the Dead his old man's "old man music").

I always feel like I'm rediscovering this band. Part of what I love so much about them.

Wow, thank you Skull Trip, also with you my cosmic friend! for your very kind & moving message. It brought tears to my eyes, honest to god it gives me hope & strength to know I’m not alone! In the beginning I felt really alone, i mean totally isolated both physical and psychological. I needed help yet my lips could not speak the words I wanted to be heard. A silence like a fog, fell over & engulfed my wandering spirit & turned it black & blue . Grey clouds hovered over my head dropping tears down my cheeks
Just one more Stella Bue to get me thru,
To win again
A smile
A sunshine daydream of eternal peace , but nothen comes for free
When you hear that song
Crying like wind &
Everything seems lost
& Just out of reach
like a dream
Stella Blue
Please
Stella blue get me thru
Until tomorrow
When the birds start to sing, once again...

Have a grateful day Skulltrip & everyone else, peace be with you all! 🙏❤️💀🌹

Good to see you again. Was getting worried as we haven’t heard from you in a while.
Funny about the kid....and so it begins! Lol

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Sat, 06/13/2020 - 15:31

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2 17 Warfield
2 19 SD
2 20 SD
2 21 LA

i _think_ above locations are correct

Worth a listen, gents

5 months hence, I got on the bus

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sat, 06/13/2020 - 15:54

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I went to both those shows, they were both rockin! Warfield Theatre was a cool place to see the Dead, nice bar and not a bad seat in the house.

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Submitted by SkullTrip on Sat, 06/13/2020 - 17:55

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Nope. You're not alone, LMG. Thanks for trusting us all enough to share your truth. I learned the hard way that I didn't have to tough it out on my own. Deeply grateful for the support that I have, both here on the site and at home.

And thanks, Oroborous and Deadheadbrewer. Doing my best to enjoy every sandwich for as long as I can.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 06/13/2020 - 21:34

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Good to hear from you Skulltrip. Sending my best vibes to you. Stay strong!

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 05:41

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...everyone here is beautiful in their own way, I’m grateful to be a part of this ‘community’ of Grateful Dead fans. I’ve met many grateful people here. thank you again Skulltrip and everyone else. We share the same love! be safe be kind have grateful Sunday everyone.! In Jim Morrison’s own words, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UqSGSjlwlHY

Rock on my brothers & sisters!!!
I’m playing Dicks Picks#10
12/29/77
Digitally Mastered directly from the Analog Tapes...my tubes are alive ! Lol
Primo! Love this pick!

May I send you a PM Skulltrip

Ps I gotta say , Dicks Picks #10 is a primo album to start your day & play on a Sunday morning!

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 06:26

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Great to hear from you again my good man. I certainly hope all is as well as can be with you.

A few straggling comments. The issue of disc rot came up a few weeks ago. I do not have that problem, but my CDs are beginning to skip on my old Onkyo. I suspect it is the laser. Does anyone know if it can be cleaned/replaced or am I in the market for a new CD player?

The Band. I just purchased the expanded version of The Last Waltz and Rock of Ages. Tremendous stuff. Any thoughts on why they were able to sound so good with a horn section and the GD were not?

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 07:07

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A few years back my NAD CD player started doing that. The player had always been finicky, but then it really starting disliking CDs. I found that it's relatively easy to do a quick clean of the lens, and that apparently works in a lot of cases. I did that, and the player recovered nicely for six months or so, but then went back to its old tricks. From what I know, it's then time for a new player, as the laser assembly is failing. Laser assemblies are inexpensive, and are supposedly easy to replace, but that's above my pay grade and skill set. If you have the dough and favor your time over it, then I would just get a new player and move on.

Horns--my guess is that The Band's songs are pretty straight-forward R&B/rock tunes on which the drummer plays it pretty straight. No one in The Band is filling space with guitar flourishes or playing a melodic bass line, so there is time/space for some horns. In the GD's snaky psychedelic cowboy music a horn player would need to wend her/his way around; there aren't obvious places for horns like there is in straight R&B/rock. And in the GD, the drummer (just one at the time of the horns) was swinging (rather than playing hard rock counts), Bobby was filling every space with amazing licks and jazzy chords, and Phil was playing almost counterpoint to Jerry, so then there wasn't any room for other players to do anything, other than the basics.

That, and I'm guessing that in true GD style, they didn't really rehearse/plan with the horn players, but rather just had them start showing up one night! :)

AJS--I'll send the notes.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 08:20

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It appears that Onkyo no longer makes a 6-disc carousel player.
Can only find used ones online.
It suspect that all CD players will disappear since you can play a CD on a DVD or BluRay player.
But I like carousel players, and I have separate audio and video sound systems in my living room.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 08:29

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IceCream, if you check Crutchfield, it appears that Onkyo has a six-CD changer coming later this year, as does Integra. I know this because I spent a lot of time at Crutchfield recently, shopping for a new single-disc player. I'm guessing that Covid is interrupting some supply chain, as a LOT of the CD players are listed as currently unavailable.

The Yamaha changer is in stock . . .

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 09:13

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Worked really well when it was Branford Marsalis on sax 3/29/90. That Eyes is top shelf and the way Branford played it sounded like the song was always meant to have a sax in the mix. Sounds really good in Birdsong too.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 10:02

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I had wondered if Onkyo was letting old stock run out before bringing out a new model.
I have a DX-C390, paid about $120 for it in 2015. Crutchfiled has it listed for $199 (in stock 9/4/20). If they actually get new ones in it looks like it will still be the same model.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 10:37

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So I counted about 25+ discs of NRPS in my collection. The advice on their official bootleg series is sound. I don't go past 1975, cuz that's when Dave Torbert/bass joined Weir in Kingfish (hot band, caught multiple shows).

On the live music front, I should clarify: whenever "concerts" resume, I may be a) too cautious, but also b) I was really talking generally about "concerts" vs. other forms of live music. Lot of bars in Denver have great local bands for free or $5 cover and you can hang, dance, listen, relax. It's the $75 to $100 to even $150 tickets with 10,000 people -- even Red Rocks anymore -- plus the $9 beers, and incessant talking that has made me increasingly choosey and, now, flat out reluctant, to go. After ~45 years of going to shows at Red Rocks and invariably choosing Gen' Admission -- which we prepared for by getting in line at 9am, so we could dash for the front row -- I've pared back to 1-2 shows a year and, yes, reserved seats to avoid the scrum with people like I used to be. If that makes sense. I had tics to Tedeschi-Trucks this summer and they canceled pretty late, like 3 weeks ago. I had already decided I would not go, even if it cost me the $200 for two tics. So whenever we get to congregate again, I'm likely to stick to my local club shows.

Lastly, The Band with horns -- chalk that up to Rick Danko on bass and Levon Helm on drums and the heavy backbeat that Billy and Philly never really laid down (except maybe on Big Boss Man and a few other Pig tunes). Also recall that Allen Toussaint (RIP) was the arranger. And, to someone else's comment, yeah, the GD never made a plan to do that, it just happened occasionally. Now, why do Clarence Clemmons and Jer sound so good together in the latest GarciaLive show? Cuz there's lots of blues and R&B and Motown in that repertoire.

Okay, folks, have a great Sunday. I gotta go weigh out some mushroom powder.......

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 10:55

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I have an Onkyo five CD disc changer from about 25 years ago. The thing still works great. I was just about to give it away when my Onkyo single disc changer started skipping. Guess I’ll keep the older one.

Add CD players to the list of items you can’t purchase during this shutdown. Puppies and rollerblades are already on it.

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Submitted by Hey Pedro on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 11:41

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Anyone know when was the last concert that Jerry played the steel guitar?

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 12:01

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I saw him play it on 7/24/87/in Oakland, when the Dead played with Dylan, that could have been the.last time , but I'm not sure.

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 12:42

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29 years ago

I am lucky to have been there

The show itself was only 20 years after 4 27 71

Time is weird

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Submitted by gratefulgerd on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 13:33

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Concentration Moon by good ole Frank from the album 'We are only in it for the money'. Think it was released around '67/'68. I remember well.
Apparently not much has changed ever since and this all around the world. Very sad.
Alles Gute! G.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 06/14/2020 - 18:24

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Hot and dusty.. I was there too.. BobbyL as well if memory serves.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 02:47

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In no particular order, Dire Wolf, Uncle John's Band, Easy Wind, Cumberland Blues , Ripple, Truckin, Alligator, Stella Blue, Pride of Cucamonga, Attics of my Life. Wow, it's tough to only pick 10.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 05:31

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Billy the Kid, I'll bet Brokedown Palace was #11. Or The Eleven. I'd have to think about that one. I don't know if I could pick 10 across all eras.

20 Years ago I would have said the studio version of Foolish Heart was my favorite, but I didn't know too many Dead songs back then.

Uncle Gary sent a great sounding unofficial CD release of the 9/23/72 Waterbury show - fantastic show with everyone very loud in the mix, especially Jerry. As most shows were played immaculately in those days, I'm convinced that the subjective fan rating system is based on the volume of Jerry's guitar along with the overall fidelity of the recording.

The second night in Waterbury on 9/24/72 was released on 30 Trips Around The Sun and features Jerry at lower than normal volume. Tough to listen to unless you monkey around with speaker volume and other audio enhancement to compensate. The Bertha is nice, so is Bird Song, China Rider, The Other One (preceded by a rare 1972 Cryptical Envelopement). Also a great Wharf Rat and another rare one - It's All Over Now, Baby Blue. Thanks UG - really enjoying this one.

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Submitted by Thin on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 08:09

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9/24/72 - Yes Keithfan, Jerry very low in the mix. Frustrating. Otherwise a great show. 9/23/72 is very gratifying - Sept '72 was amazing overall.

Dylan and the Dead did nothing for me. I was amazed when I heard the album for the first time - just stunned at how it turned me completely off both acts. Expectations were high, but in retrospect it's easily my least favorite GD release of all time.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 10:25

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Would have to include Dark Star, China>Rider and PITB for me...and maybe Sunrise :-P

Without giving it too much thought...….Mountains of The Moon, China Cat, Cumberland Blues, Box of Rain, Ripple , Brokedown Palace, Attics of my Life, Must Have Been the Roses, China Doll and Crazy Fingers.
Oddly, apart from Cumberland and China Cat, my favourite versions of the above songs are the studio ones.

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 11:22

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Brokedown Palace
St. Stephen
Bird Song
China-Rider
Comes a Time
Here Comes Sunshine
Crazy Fingers
Playin in the Band
Foolish Heart
The Music Never Stopped

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 11:44

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Playing In The Band
Dark Star
That’s It For The Other One
Born Cross Eyed
Bird Song
St. Stephen (’68-’71)
Jack Straw
Slipknot!
Black Peter
Candyman

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Submitted by Thin on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 12:25

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This was easy:

Here Comes Sunshine
Dark Star
Eyes of the World
Help on the Way
Crazy Fingers
Shakedown Street
Bird Song
China - Rider
Ripple
Brokedown Palace

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 12:44

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...I felt the same way as ‘member’ THIN feelings after my first listen. I was totally let down. I went to many of the performances and that release was like nothing I remember experiencing in that manner. It made me not listen to it for years after repeatedly trying to listen to the album and find its so called musical purpose and what, what is their message? Till this day it’s my least played Dead or Dylan release in my entire collection.
I do though enjoy their rehearsals that were also recorded but never officially released.
...I’m dreaming of a Dylan & Dead future Boxset! Oh yes, The Entire spread of the two artists coming together and what had been their created musical adventures caught on tapes spanning the entire grateful deads & Dylan’s musical career! Sometimes dreams come true! 🙏😎💀🌹
I prefer the vinyl release better , if I had to choose the best sounding Audio format, I’d go with the LP! Take care everyone, rock On!

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Submitted by RobbZ on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 13:00

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Off the cuff and in no particular order....probably some covers in there.

Estimated Prophet
Alabama Getaway
Morning Dew
He's Gone
Scar/Fire (love me a good Scar/Fire)
PITB
Ripple
Althea
Terrapin
Deal

Ask me again tomorrow, I'm sure it'll be different....LOL

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Submitted by gratefulgerd on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 13:04

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Scarlet Begonias
Fire On The Mountain
Bird Song
Uncle John's Band
China Cat/Rider
Me And My Uncle
Mama Tried
Estimated Prophet
The Eleven
Beer Barrel Polka

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Submitted by gratefulgerd on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 13:09

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plus:
Morning Dew
Cold Rain And Snow

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Submitted by boblopes on Mon, 06/15/2020 - 13:38

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Yup - fun times at Sullivan Stadium. Worked the show as part of the local stage crew. Was totally sober for that fun. Helping them set up gave me a much greater appreciation into the work they did to get it "Just right" compared to all of the other shows I had worked. Stage was mechanically isolated from soundtowers, even though there appeared to be no gap. The time the audio guys spent to tweak the audio with a spectrum analyzer to get the delay speakers in sync. Watching soundcheck sitting in front of the soundboard watching them practiced and practiced "Knockin'" without Dylan on stage was impressive. Most soundchecks I witness was a fast run through of songs to make sure the sound and lighting were right. The band used the sound check for the sound and to work on the parts of the song to get their timing "Just Right".

Birdsong
Here Comes Sunshine
Box of Rain
Darkstar
Scarlet > Fire
Terrapin Station
Eyes of the World
Estimated Prophet
Cassidy
Truckin' > Other One - must have that muscular transition!

Added bonus - JGB Top 5

Mission in the Rain
Catfish John
I'll Take a Melody
The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
Gomorrah

....I knew this question would pop up eventually. Need to think long and hard on this one. Cumberland is in there. Will report back later on the other nine.

Thinking about it, the songs I listed are ones I like as songs - but they don't represent the Dead at their best, to me. The music I like best, as opposed to the songs, can be found in Dark Star, The Eleven, The Other One, Playing in the Band, China-Rider, Caution, and countless jams coming out of Truckin' during 1974. Try singing some of that in the shower.
My two favourite songs, as songs, are Box of Rain and Ripple.

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