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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • JimInMD
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    More on GD/Amps/US Navy

    I was close... if you google it you will get an answer pretty quick. Here is a quick quote from my first google land.

    Rosie McGee was cracking up at her desk when Dennis "Wiz" Leonard walked in from lunch.

    "What's the story?" Wiz asked McGee, then a receptionist and bookkeeper at Alembic, a California-based custom electric guitar, bass, and pre-amp company where Wiz worked as an audio engineer.

    "Well, the Department of Defense just called me," she told him. "They were asking if we could defer the purchase of our next four 3500s, so they could get four."

    Those amps were in high demand at Alembic. The 3500s, in particular, would be used in the Wall of Sound's vocal array tweeters, drum tweeters, and for Jerry Garcia's guitars. But was it just Alembic buying them up? A rumor was going around—a "urban myth," Wiz told me—that the US military was using Mac 3500s for sonar, specifically to listen for Soviet submarines.

  • Gary Farseer
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    Passing the Test

    Isn't the goal here to be lighthearted? I try my best to not let the craziness of the world/media not get to me here? Isn't the goal here to be a kind prankster? They ask, "Are you kind?" Most of the flamers I look like as children, either actual age or not. Many are so deep in social media and issues that result thereof, they cannot see what it is doing to them. They are being handled, manipulated, and unwittingly abused by the profiteers. I try to stay away.

    Jim, had no idea of the McIntosh amp issues. Thanks for that piece of info. As much as I love the music, it is just how they were. So real and fun which someone wrote, "creating their own iconography." The richness of their traditions and internal musical dialog that we love is an unending source of comfort as they lived it everyday for 30 years. I wish I had a shot at hearing even 50% of their music, but as I have written before, my OCD makes me wear out a great jam over and over instead of looking for the next one. Need to work on that for sure.

    So Jim and Oro and many others, thanks for passing the test.

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    You are kind soul.. I appreciate all you provide here. Same goes to Oro. I think it would take a face to face to catch me up on all the technology (old or new) that the two of you bring for me to truly understand. As for old.. and I am sure you both know.. in either late 73 or early 74 (I think 73).. the GD got into a scuffle with DOD over equipment they were ordering that was desperately needed for national security. Apparently, the Macintosh amps they were buying in unprecedented numbers were needed both in general and more specifically by special, top secret subs that needed the clean sound and amplification to either detect enemy interference or better hear and make stealth the noise they were making. So they called the GD and tried to work out a way to either stall, postpone or barter a purchasing arrangement that would not jeopardize national security.

    I think this is well known, and I apologize in advance for going on memory and surely confusing some of the information listed above as fact. ..but what is written is pretty close, if someone can clarify and correct it would not offend me in the least.

    Hope I didn't write anything that was incorrect or in any way interpreted as insulting or offensive.

    As for chainsaws and sawzaws to clear way for our living room WOS.. what could possibly be more fun.

  • Gary Farseer
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    Ah the sounds of my earliest fun dentist. "You dont need no gas!"

    All my stereo stuff is old, always fussy. Running all old Yamaha into JBL (plus svs). Trying to get stuff cleaned and parts replaced. When it is on, it is quite the stereo indeed. I have an old yamaha eq that I hooked up when Dave's first show was released. Goes into Pre amp, then to a yamaha mx-830. The MX-830 is powering 4 jbl g300's and 2 jbl LX 600's. Running 6 speakers means the amp is running at 550 watts at 2 ohms. It cooks. The speakers all have same tweeters and mid ranges. The 300s run 8" woofers and the 600s have 10 inch woofers. It is old but as you say "in budget." Smile.

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    Then the svs has a 550 watt continous, 850 watt peak sledge. The svs I picked up a few years back for $399. I had to have a sub with an internal crossover. So out of preamp to svs (rca cables), then back into the preamp, then to amp. Having old yamaha means older connection points. Modern amps control the crossover themself and pump sub out already crossed over. I happen to run my internal sub amp at a cutoff of 82 hz. George Lucas uses 80 hz crossover in his THX sound systems. So I am slightly above that. I did some sampling of the room using the preamp features.

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    Do you have any '74 Dijon?

    Neanderthal's use chain saws.. a sophisticated audiophile attacks their living rooms delicately with a sawzaw.

    I'm totally jealous.. I am blasting with my 20 year old Denon, similar age speakers with no intents on upgrading anytime soon. Budgets be budgets..

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    Can you imagine writing the real equipment book? With the constant upgrading of the system, that book would be multiple enormous volumes. Hope the Meyers have logged a lot of their research.

    No 18's here. Of course not needed.

    Back last year, Oro, you asked if I was running multiple subs. I am not. I have a 12" SVS Systems sub with built in Sledge D amp. It is like the rabbit, it is a thumper. Goes down to 13 or 15hz, so below the 20hz of human hearing. That is, if all memories about frequency response are still good. Starting to get the old enough to question my own thoughts at times.

    I am still hoping for the day when we can listen to WoS through a system that takes us to the "Fare the Well" P.A.. Would have to be software based, but I look at it like 4K upcoding an HDTV signal.

    Wow, FTW PA is now 7 years ago. Bet the Meyers' have gone way beyond that. I almost applied for a job at Meyer 7 years ago. Was in my career field. POTHead.

    That 2015 system had multiple flying 18's. It also had a load balancing system. This was done by having 2 systems, intake and outake. That is, they had 100 microphones throughout the stadium to push into the analytics software. Of course, the output systems was not connected except thru analytics, to the input system to avoid feedback. Brilliant. The analytic input system could then be used to balance the PA by section of the of the stadium.

    Sorry for interruption but I wanted find the article on pro sound web about 2015 FTW PA.

    I did actually find it, but not by searching pro sound web, but by searching internet at large and it found it on the pro sound web site, even though pro sound web could not find it in its own search.

    Let me know, maybe I can send lynk thru PM here, not sure if they cut that off.

    Any way need to do a little work after lunch. I mean a little work.

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    That’s what chain saws are for!

    Gary, I think besides trying to keep up with Garcia, Phil was using that big system on stage to help fill in those near field areas (up front etc) we were discussing, the areas that didn’t get proper coverage from the PA?
    What some refer to as the Phil Zone, though to me that’s was where both his stage sound and the PA sound merged and acoustically coupled.
    But yeah, My spine tingles and can still feel rather than hear those sub frequencies in my DNA. (By sub I mean below the threshold of hearing, not a subwoofer). Those Meyers 18”s in the PA were ridiculous in the right spot, in the right venue etc.
    Plus, it’s the Grateful Fucking Dead so why not go big!

    PS, that Grateful Dead gear book is great, though a little dialed down.

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    I want what Phil's having...

    Home version. 18"'s and 4"'s. If I move some things around, they should fit.

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    thanks for the write-up, input. Need a little time to read again and ponder. Think again we are speaking the same language but as 90% of communication is non verbal, some times the written language let's us down.

    It seems I have the dead's equipment book, need to track that down. Not necessarily for this discussion but just to find it again...

    Should have figured Phil would use Meyer systems. Using 18's onstage, wow!

    Hope all well your way!

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    As of late 82 or early 83 Phil was using 4 Meyers cabinets: (4 -18”, 4 -15”), 2 per cabinet powered by custom PIE amps, until they started not using speakers on stage in 92. (Which I didn’t like).

    Not sure I get all what your saying? I agree that Soundboards do not sound natural for many reasons.
    Perhaps your referring to the phenomena of Microphones not having frequency response to accurately record bass waves combing sub sonic frequencies at those kind of SPL levels?
    Mic location can also make a big difference and was partly why Dan started the tapers section. Unless you have the right knowledge and equipment chances are a recording made too close will mot sound good.
    Plus you have the physics: the lower the frequency, the longer the sound wave. If your too close you’ll not hear the fully formed bass note etc.
    In fact if your too close much of the PA sound will blow right by you. You’ll also not properly experience stereo imaging. That’s why usually, the sound board or just before it was THE place to be. It was a trade off going up front: yeah you were up close and could see and hear their stage sound, but the PA mix was so above and beyond you that you missed a lot of info. Eventually they added little Meyers boxes, usually sitting on the front of the stage to add some vocals etc for those up close.
    Nothing comes for free! Personally, like Bear, I didn’t like the stereo set up because of this. Unless you were in the right spot, you missed a lot of info, especially if you were sitting on the side!
    This was the main reason Reserved seating sucked: nobody could sit where they wanted so if you were a sound nut like us, you often had to endure less than perfect sound/mixes.

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I went 6/14 and 6/15, they were both cool shows. I enjoyed 6/14 more, I went with a good looking babe from work and we drank a whole bunch of wine outside before the show. I would like to see them release a West Coast box set, best of the Frost , Greek , and Ventura. Hopefully they wouldn't leave out any cool shows.

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Thanks for all of the 85 show recommendations! I always listen to the sage advice from everyone on here in the comments sections. I have heard that Hershey show once befire so I need to give that, and all of the others that were recommended, a good listen.

My impression of 85 is that there may not be the long exploratory jams so to speak , but the energy is top notch. I know the energy might have been enhanced, but that was the way I guess. From the few shows I have heard from 85, that energy is contageous and it definitely gets me moving. Great stuff. I am looking forward to going down the 85 rabbit hole.

Yup, I am definitely on board for an 85 box or a Greek box, or well both.

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Serendipitous. Most nights, my 12 year old wonders down to watch parts of a movie before he crashes.. tonight we were watching part II of back to the future. Just as I read the post below, they were setting the Delorian to 1985, Back to the Future.

I love 85.. 82 and 85 are my early 80's go to for a host of reasons. I wrote a post years ago that showed the number of songs played each year and 85 was a big increase from prior years, a shocking increase. I need to dig up some data on this unless someone beats me to it.. but 85 was a burst of fresh, creative energy.

More on this when I am not so sleepy and buzzed. (shame on me). 85 was a very good year, until Jerry got busted in November.. the precursor to 1986.. but I digress #GlassHalfFull

Great China Rider, midi and all.

(Yes, I like the midi.. unless of course it does not sound good)

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Funny that you mention that Jim. I have a neighbor that just had a garage built this year. What is newly parked there? A DeLorean :-) We now have a DeLorean in the neighborhood. Our status as a neighborhood just went up a couple notches, tehe. :-)

P.S. I had a really low-gen tape of 6-22-85 that was so crisp, it became a favorite to listen to. Good sound and very good show. Pre-midi and yet plenty of weirdness to go around. Great Drumz! :-)

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This a sweet show, this gets a lot of play at my house. Just wish it is 5.1. I also really like the bonus tracks from 1987, but I am a sucker for a solid Hey Pocket Way and My Brother Esau.

Do we have a pick for today? We need to keep those going.

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@JiminMD- That is so funny because I was going to type something about "firing up the flux capacitor if I wasn't heard from in week" at the end of my post. Then I thought I am letting too much of my sci-fi geeknees seep in. Of course this crew is all good with that so I should have gone with it.

Now I have to say that today's pick should be an 85 show. I am going there regardless, but I would like to see the Jedi Council here come to a consensus for one show to start with. You guys got to help the padawan here (Yup I let the sci-fi geekness flow).

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Well I’m going 6/17/90 today to finish out my Cali 30 year anniversary run. I know I’m being self indulgent if y’all want to go another direction, but if not, always fun hearing what others think.

Tomorrow thinking some 76, either the box or perhaps a 2 day 1,2 punch of Dicks 33? Just an idea as I’ve been a bit of a bogart lately, but hey I haven’t made any picks until this madness...definitely need a seventies cleanse....if not 76, maybe some 74?
EDIT: ....or maybe some late 71 like one of those Dave’s (22,26)?

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Deadvikes etc., if your gear has it try Auro 2D for fake surround. Sometimes it works way better than Dolby for enhancing stereo mixes to surround; sounds more natural, and it will utilize your rear channels if you have them, Dolby often won’t..,
EDIT: as in rears, not sides or surrounds, those should be doing something with either codec.

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Never too weird or geeky for this motley crew! Not to dissuade you, FYI, but I’ll be trying to do the 85 summer tour starting this weekend with Alpine....shall we go, you and I while we can.....

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I gotta finish the Shoreline '90 Trip too... made it this far and the Midi Madness has got a hold of me.

JimInMidi ;)

Definitely some Major Midi in VFTV III that Jam after Terrapin was way cool, I'm not sure I ever made it through that whole DVD before. Made me think it would've been cool if they alternated the Space > Drums order more often.

OROBOROUS what were you thinking that night, can't remember if you talked about that already. I woulda been trippin' out on that, always like when you don't know where it will go. Way cool!

Shoreline Day 3 starting out with some nice & funky Shakedown St.

I like the sound of some late '71 DaPs Volume 22 Bonus Disc is looking especially good!

EDIT: Yeah I like the '85 idea the 6/22/85 set 2 is an old Fave for Sure! Best Keep On Growing.
GRATEFULHAN there's some great stuff in Spring '85 too, wild set lists. Love 4/4/85 personal fave.
GREAT to see sooo much '85 LOVE!

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Sounds good Oroborous. Thanks for the picks.

Dick's 33 sounds great to me for tomorrow and Friday. Love these two shows and the sound quality is A+!

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Don't usually say much about that song, but this is a Sick Rooster band sounds hot tonight :)

DiP V33 would be fun for sure, had to refresh the memory.. October '76 would be a good path to tread.

Who am I kiddin' it all sounds good, we were gonna listen to Boreal Ridge just to see how bad it was.

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... I’m listening to Grateful Dead performance
on August 3rd, 1982 in Kansas City, “Starlight Theater”
** Complete Set-list, in my opinion it has a primo Setlist to boot!

Set 1:
d1t01 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo ->
d1t02 - Franklin's Tower ->
d1t03 - New Minglewood Blues
d1t04 - Peggy-O
d1t05 - El Paso ->
d1t06 - Cumberland Blues
d1t07 - Althea
d1t08 - Cassidy
d1t09 - Big Railroad Blues ->
d1t10 - Man Smart (Woman Smarter)
d1t11 - Might As Well

Set 2:
d2t01 - Shakedown Street ->
d2t02 - Samson And Delilah
d2t03 - To Lay Me Down
d3t01 - Let It Grow ->
d3t02 - Drums ->
d3t03 - Space ->
d3t04 - He's Gone ->
d3t05 - The Other One ->
d3t06 - Stella Blue ->
d3t07 - Sugar Magnolia

Encore:
Casey Jones

*** https://archive.org/details/gd1982-08-03.sbd.miller.77196.sbeok.flac16/…
Excellent performances of
‘Althea’
‘Cassidy’
‘The Women are Smarter’
‘To Lay Me Down’
‘Let It Grow’
‘He’s Gone’
‘That’s it For The Other One’
‘Stella Blue’ & more!
If you haven’t heard this Show I would give it a spin! It’s filled with surprises! 💀🌹

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Foggy tales from the Heep!
Wow, digging the 17th. I only really remember any show specifics from the 16th, mostly because of the unusual set list. Of course I’ve watched the video numerous times so I’m sure that plays into it...both great shows, actually the 16th lost just a touch of its status for me this time? Not quite as razor sharp as I recall, but that’s nit picking compared to spring tour? Fun set list though, and the China Cat starts to really soar, then they sort a miss a gear on the Segway, but it’s subtle. We Can Run was ruff, but after that the rest is good, and of course the whole Terrapin through the weird fest is awesome, that’s the shizzle this boy is looking for. Yeah, some good 90s electronic mind eraser! Nice ease back to reality and scoop up your fragile ego off the lawn with China Doll, and dance her home with the Mags. Always dig a sweet Baby Blue.
Definitely picked a good time to come outta electric “retirement”!
17th is pretty solid all around, Brent slips a tad during Far From Me but they pull it out ok, Picasso Moon is the only thing I recall sounding like it wasn’t happening, and I was looking forward to more jam/weirdness, especially when they broke out the PITB where they did. That’s often a good launch pad for deep space 9, but not much of a jam comparatively, and then into an Eyes of all things? Good weirdness outta D/S, with the rest sorta status quo for the times.
All in all perhaps best trip ever. 85 was more nuts, stay up for days and rage etc, this trip I was like 28, with new 20 year old “Loose Lucy” “GF” , doing electric things not done in years, first time to SF/promised land, Oh and 2 awesome Warfield JGB shows in the middle of the six Dead shows to boot! Of course I got stuck paying for it for a while, long story, but it was totally worth it all. So summer 85 was a gas, but June 90 was a dream, a summer loving in the spring, fall, and winter, in the ocean, camping at half moon bay, hotels, pools, camping at Santa Cruz, and perhaps best of all, at dawn still feeling it as the sun came up and we were camped out in a Red Wood Forest State Park of some kind up by La Honda, whoa, that was some cool shit. Like having to drive AROUND huge trees where the road was literally built to go around rather than cut them down, so cool. So, we get there in the middle of the night, and you can tell the trees are there, but man at dawn when you could start to see to the tops.......still blows me away, THAT, I’ll always remember!
Perhaps best sunrise ever! So yeah, let’s just say we didn’t just get some,...well, let’s just say old Pig woulda been proud!
Ok, 2 quick related stories then I promise I’ll not pontificate on these ever again.
So back to, think last night of Cal Ex, as we’re sharing a room with like 4 or 5 other dudes, the happy rolling couple is feeling like folks often do under the conditions, but not possessing the modesty or lack of decorum to just get animal in the crowded, shared room, so eventually after much rolling and tumblin’ on the bed Etc, and after already getting kicked outta the pool several times over the 3 days, the bathroom seems like it’s going to have to work, remember, “the situation is the boss”, so that’s what happens...so we’re having a grand ole time and being relatively stealth....I think?, and everything’s all hunky dory until the sink counter that she’s perched on comes off the wall and crashes to the floor!!....Oooppss!
Well so much for stealth and now everyone’s freaked out about the damage so of course I do what anyone who’s ever been involved with R&R on the road, especially if ever for a living, and I get up and get all cleaned up and make sure I get to the office early while all the upstanding folks and traveling families are checking out etc, and so I proceed to complain in a loud enough voice to draw interest, but not loud enough to raise concern (object is to use the natives for benefit, power in numbers etc, not to scare, never want to scare the natives, unless on purpose of course), so your boy proceeds to ask for the manager and register a complaint about “what kind of unsafe place is this? etc, with both he and I realizing that all the guests in the looby are now totally listening, so I proceed to politely but firmly replay how just as I was leaning over to shave that one little tuff spot, and while leaning on said counter to do so, it suddenly, and terrifyingly jumps from the wall, but how luckily, tragedy was narrowly averted, only by my quick cat like reflexes, and how I only ended up with this little abrasion on my neck! (which of course conveniently for the situation happened during the previous evenings extra curricular frolicking in question.)
Yes sir HST and Cassidy both woulda been proud, especially when the manager apologized profusely and gave us a nice discount off the tab! Of course you could tell he was kinda wondering and started to mumble something about how could that actually happen etc, but we didn’t stick around for all that, I immediately turned, found the cutest little tyke and proceeded to lay on the “boy you folks sure must be proud“, and “what a well behaved cute little guy” etc as we’re literally backing out the door.....give me three steps mister for sure! Tru dat, all of it, I don’t care if you believe me or not as:
1) I was there, and
2) I have several witnesses!
I believe the statue of limitations on hotel rooms is up after 30 years?
The other story is that last early morning red wood sunshine daydream. So as we’re in the woods and thinking we’re all alone, so in other words we’re back at it again...hey, sun dresses and Guatemalan shorts come off pretty easy, so just as the suns coming up and we’re still riding the last electric waves, and the trees are magnificent, and the birds are starting to chirp, and the river is signing, and we’re actually living a real life sun shine daydream........along comes a park ranger up from the river pumping station! Oooopppss, hee-hee, well the poor gal seemed more embarrassed by it then we were, and of course as we’re literally rolling down the hill like a couple of squirrels in heat as I look over and wave and give er the biggest morning greeting and smile and act like absolutely nothing is wrong, LOL. Well she couldn’t get outta there fast enough, and hell, it’s California in a big state park, so I’m guessing it wasn’t the first or last time she saw some tweaked out hippies getting weird and naked! 😎
Ok, I’ve rambled on enough, but GOGD did ask for it, or at least that’s my story and I’m sticking to it! Lol
Thanks for indulging my little trip down memory lane, hopefully y’all had some fun and heard some good tunes you might not of ever heard otherwise? These have always seemed to fall between the 90 spring, summer tour cracks....
Now Onward, through the fog! Forward, never straight...mañana sounds like we’re going Dicks 33, Awesome, see ya then!

SPRING 85: used to know more but haven’t gone there in forever...know 4/7/85, my favorite Easter Sunday ever, is well worth a listen. Prime 85, yes Jer has a “tour cold” by then, but so what, sometimes I thing it adds to the affect. Dirty but dangerous!
Wilfred: yes the weirdness! It didn’t start up in 85, but they did bring it back in a big way..

This is a solid show Oroborous! Might be better than 6/16/90?? Well maybe not, but damn good. Highlights for me Shakedown Street, Birdsong, Eyes and Stella Blue are really good. Your favorite finish, Throwing Stones, Lovelight. Great encore with the Weight.
Thanks Man!

Relisten is working great for me, appreciate the tip. Yes, I am late to the party.

On to 10/9/76 tomorrow, good old Dick's #33.

Be well folks!

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....here's a little secret. Its a keeper.
Dicks 33 is very, very, veeeery high on my list. I know it well. It blows sweet nothings in my ears every three months or so.

Good to see you Vguy.
Where the hell is Bob t? I alway get nervous when the regulars are missing, like FourWinds.

Otis! Wait till Otis sees us, he loves us!

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I had to palate cleanse. Listened to four Phil shows from 07 & 08 while refinishing my 100 year old wooden front door. Made what was a very unpleasant but much needed task almost enjoyable. Lots of aged and neglected delicate details to sand around. Phil didn't sing in too many of these (no need to comment on his vocal range). It was super rewarding. One of the shows started with a Cumberland, reminiscent of a recent feature Dave's Picks 16. Some ripping moments. Jackie Greene, Larry Campbell, Barry Sless, Warren Haynes, it was a multi-instrumentalist buffet and man.. to hear some well played pedal steel mixed in with fiddles, steel guitars, fenders and gibsons oh my, then the custom thing-a-magigies. Goodness, a guitar fest.

Visiting my parents tomorrow for the first time post covid, my did is in my mid 80's and had surgery yesterday. Outside only exercising caution and much distance.. both parents are old and have a serious list of chronic conditions. These are strange times we live in.. but the point, I doubt if I will get through a pick of the day tomorrow either. Did I say the best of the best Maryland crab cakes and cold beer?

Anyway.. great vibes here and some terrific picks. Hats off to the team effort and great tunes. What's in store today?

Edit: Palate cleanse with Phil and Friends. Got a request to send some Old and in the Way last night.. another great palate cleanser. If anyone remembers that Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game, I am pretty sure you can do it with the Grateful Dead to almost any piece of music (at least music sung using in English).

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set your WABAC machine to 1976-10-09 & 10-10 - DiP V33 and the pilot tells us within 13 minutes we'll be headed to the terminal gate

OROBOROUS I see why Summer '90 holds a special place in your head, heart. Even without the spicy psychedelic romping in the forests by the beach the music and trip to the west coast would've been a winner, but it sounds like you had a winner winner chicken dinner!
Good Times.
Dug the shows and really hadn't spent much time with summer '90 previously, enjoyed the ride, nice block of shows. I wanna check out those Eugene '90 shows that follow, soon...

I'm thinking DEADVIKES might be on to something. I liked the first night & third night best, but the middle night got released, would love to sit down with Dave & the team and hear all about the thought process.

VGUY - Can't do 10/10/82 without first listening to 10/9... a fine set of shows for sure!
'82 Frost tapes were cherished in our early tape trading days.

Fun stuff.

You can tell this Day On The Green is gonna be a fun one, the band sounds ready and is delivering from the get go.

Gonna be a good day of listening!

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OROBOROUS I took your advice and I started with 6/14 @ the Greek Theatre. What a great show! I didn't look at the setlist, I just hit play. I was really suprised and happy with the Keep on Growing cover. Lots of great stuff in this show: The Let it Grow > Deal set 1 closer rocked. Then a Morning Dew to open the 2nd set? I didn't think they did that kind of thing in 80s. I even thoroughly enjoyed Bobby rocking the Smokestack Lightning. Plus the Comes a Time was sweet and according to the fan reaction on the tape and Deadbase- it hadn't been played in 5 years. So good....

Food for thought for the Pick of the Day: I am sticking with my 1985 time travel experiment, but I came across a post on FB talking about the Scarlet > Fire from 6/18/83. I sampled it, sounds good. This show might slip into the rotation for me, but not yet.

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I thought that shit was hilarious, but maybe you had to be there?
I figured the likes of Casey Janes and Hendrixfreak would find humor?
Of course they probably don’t hang here...

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Han, glad your digging 85. It’s so cool to find stuff you dig that you weren’t familiar with!
Actually, I can’t take credit for the Greeks as I believe GOGD and/BTK brought those up?...I think?
I know I was pushing for the summer tour proper, but whomever took us to the Greek I’m glad I listened!
6/18/83: my friends told me all about how cool the place was and what a great show, and especially about that S/F.
I’m still kicking myself for not going: had a ride, tix were easy etc, Doooaaahhh! We more than made up for it the next year!

10/9/76: awesome! Only heard this first show sorta once and haven’t made it to the second night yet as I just picked DP 33 from real gone a couple months ago. So glad to dig in and wow, really dug the second set especially. Prolly my favorite thing about 76 is how well they segwayed in and out of the songs, especially with the bigger band. Usually the bigger the band, the clunkier and harder to turn on a dime like that. Smells like rehearsal to me? 7/18/76 possibly being the best example of this?
It’s funny as 10/9 still got some of the laid back 76 air to it, but as with other shows as the year progressed, the transition to a more 77 urgency is noticeable. Of course I’m betting a little R&R good natured rivalry and a giant stadium full of SF nuts might of had something to do with it also? Definitely need to get more familiar with this Dick (sorry, couldn’t help it 😏). In fact I need to get right with this one or the ole senator from the great state of Vegas will subpoena me and bring me in front of the Dead ethics board.
Ok, mañana 10/10/76!
Anyone know what the SS is or who the guest is?

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OROBOROUS - Crickets...

Haha.. Man it was good and definitely got some chuckles. Nice recount too, very well done.

Didn't see it till later and was too burnt to come up with any clever retorts.

Sounds like you were doing it up right bro.

Creating some life long memories to revisit along with the shows :)

You were definitely touring in way more style then we did.. but the majority of my touring was during my broke ass teenage years. I shoulda stayed on the road, but the call of the wild made me venture off in a different direction and once I made it back, things in the scene just weren't the same and honestly neither was I.

Glad you were able to talk yourself out of the broken sink and pat the darling little kid on the head with a wink.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro!"

Thank you for a real good time ..

BTW October '76 is Kickin!!! Nice call.
Slipknot!

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For your concern!! Just haven't had anything to say!!!! Other than it is 6/18/74 Louisville anniversary!!! Bob t

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Your too kind. I didn’t mean you. Your always thoughtful and inclusive. It’s just that certain folks tell stories and everyone goes nuts. I spend valuable time trying for fun and interesting reads and often get little or no reply...nothing, crickets...a shut the F up would at least be something....so I’ll take that as a sign to shut up and just regurgitate the usual line of cheerleader BS that is the status quo here. It’s cool, I just thought folks liked to hear/learn about something besides the same 30 or 40 shows over and over every year? Back in the day our 2nd favorite pass time besides going to shows, was to debate shows. Not to argue or “be right” etc, but just back and forth banter cause it was fun. Like some working shmucks at the bar arguing about the Yankees or what not.
Sorry, not meant as a rant, just an awakening of sorts. All is well as Kevin Bacon says at the end of Animal House!
I’ll just try to lurk more and spew less lol...

Oh, and that was only the second time we ever flew to shows and we camped as much or more than we hoteled. When we did, there were usually too many people in the room, ya know, normal tour style! Lol
So though we did “style it” comparatively, it was a vacation and one time thing and as I say I got stuck paying for not just my end but a bunch of free loaders too. Funny because I had just got my first CC for this trip and ended up taking quite awhile to unfuck it! But it was totally worth it!
Okay, giving 10/9/76 set 2 another pass!
Thanks again for your support, good vibes, and all the interesting info you present us.

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Man we need your input, insight and one of a kind stories and adventures so keep on growin’, Keep on flowin’ yeah yeah yeah.

I can’t speak for the others but personal recounts of show experiences, for me in context with the shows we’re listening to, is priceless.

So keep rolling em, cuz that’s the good shit.

Now go buy your Garcia & Kahn disc so you get the free bonus show.

Thanks Bro, keep ‘em coming!

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Went to both Dead/Who shows, took tons of pictures as I was pretty close to the stage and even managed to sneak "sorta" backstage for a spell. Somewhere in my bottomless pit of boxed-up possessions, I have a picture of Garcia dancing with his shirt off during The Who's set - my hand to God.

The Who played great, but both shows were identical, almost note for note it seemed. I think they had an extended encore the second day, but the rest was the same, IIRC. GD knocked it out of the park, of course. And the stage looked awesome, thanks to Bill Graham and company.

I read somewhere soon after the shows that an amazed Townshend quizzed Garcia about how in the world could they play 2 completely different shows on consecutive days, and said The Who had been playing the same show for months, even years, maybe.

Anyway, there were definitely separate camps of Who/Dead fans with little crossover that I could notice. But the weather was perfect and everyone had a blast.

Interesting side note: I was living in Berkeley at the time, and the summer before (1975), Pete Townshend and family resided in Walnut Creek, a town about 15 minutes from Berkeley. Can't remember why they were there, though.

Haven't read all the posts, I have literally spent every waking hour the last two days refinishing my 116 year old original gothic style (I think) front door. Big, heavy, way too much detail and relief work in the wood and probably neglected for at least 20 to 25 years. It's the only thing that I haven't redone in the front of the house.

We are not entertaining indoors for all the river rats this year, so the front porch has a welcomed haven and keeps the river rat traffic from entering the home.. But the door has been bothering me for a year or two. This social distancing stuff sucks, but it's better than the alternative. Outdoors and safely apart.. so I bit the bullet and fixed the one thing that was bothering me. ..and man, it was a beast. Two full days just to get it sanded, the wood treated and a stained. Whew, I did f'up the stain, the hard part is over.

So anyway.. catching up on posts. The day on the green.. wow. To have been there! Second.. Oroboros, you should worry not.. you are one of the most entertaining, kindest people that writes shit here. This whole thread has been a good vibe haven.

Now.. I after leaning over a fixed space using electric sanders, Dremel's, hand sanding until my fingers are raw, dropping and spilling shit, I could go on... Werewolves of Friendsville. So I am filling up a very strong drink and
reading the last two days of posts here.

Back to your regularly scheduled Help/Slipknot!/Franklins.

How whoooo.. Werewolf's of London.

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Damn, you saw all the fun stuff!

Funny, I was just reading about Pete Townsend and that he was living there at the time.

I guess his daughter wrote about it in her autobiography and mentioned being an "American Suburb Child" with the likes of Justin Kreutzmann.

Sounds like Pete mighta been hanging with Jerry & the boys off work :)

BTW this show is epic, but you already knew that...

More to come, my contacts are making it hard to see or at least something is.

Peace Out :)

EDIT: PS - really want to see that picture (and all the pictures)!

Good afternoon(s)

Yes, always a winner for me. And I agree Oroborous, you can hear the band moving quite a bit different than they were in June 76. Love the Scarlets from this era. New Minglewood rocks. The whole second set rocks. Man, what a run it was. Looking forward to 10/10/76 tomorrow.........
And again Bolo you were there! Really cool, you got to see some unbelievable shows...Yes, these guys were masters of delivering a different experience every time they went out there. Genius, absolutely! Would love to see some of those pics. Might be time for another Bolo pick soon?

Hang in there Oroborous, we love you man and don't take it personally. I would say over 90% of my comments are met with crickets, but that is okay.

Good to see you Bob t. Nothing to say, yes that 6/18/74 show is really good. Jim gave us that pick a while back and that RT2.3 is solid. Can't believe at one point I didn't pursue it because it was not complete shows. What an idiot!

Be well folks! Finally hot here in MN. Always reminds of summer dead shows.

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St. Stephen ->
NFA ->
St. Stephen ->
Help On The Way ->
Slipknot! ->
Drumz->
Samson & Delilah->
Slipknot! ->
Franklin's Tower ->
One More Saturday Night
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US Blues

Notice the ->'s. The Music Never Stops indeed!!
I crave this set. Nom, nom, nom.
Garcia hits a couple sour notes at the start, but then the ship rights itself and onward we go!!!

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Dude, are you kidding me? You and your evil twin (where’s The Other One been?) have some of the best stories around these parts. Would be a shame to keep those to yourself. I think most would agree that it’s better than reading copied set lists and plagiarized liner notes?

Anyways, Mrs Casey and I had a similar experience in the bathroom at her friends lake house in the Ozarks circa summer 2004, except the victim was towel rods, and thankfully not the sink 😂. We still joke about that....had our 15th anniversary yesterday, so I must have done something right !!! 😉

I admire your quick thinking with the hotel manager. I do feel bad for the kid though...I mean without a sink to wash your hands...I’ll bet his hair stood straight up all day...There’s Something About Mary Comes To Mind!!!

Happy Friday Dead People!

KCJ

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Great Lost Live Dead blog post on these shows (link below) with some interesting perspective on the scene at these shows.
It's hard to imagine fans not digging what the Dead were laying down.
I wonder if The Who performances are recorded and around anywhere?

BOLO24 - they mention the following - "The stage was in center field, and so of course the outfield bleachers were restricted to those people backstage who wanted to see the performances. The story goes that Garcia was out there late in the afternoon, dancing to The Who without his shirt on. No photographic evidence survives, to my knowledge."

So you can let Corry know you've got the picture ;)

And if you need any help getting those organized just let me know!

Lost Live Dead Grateful Dead & The Who - http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2015/08/october-9-10-1976-oakland-coli…

Have Fun on The Green!
More to Come

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I am with VGuy on this (as I have found I am on most things...) Dick's 33 is HIGH on my list, and is my favorite 76 release. I personally prefer 10/9, but 10/10 has some truly great moments - I really love the TOO>Stella Blue on this.

I also agree wholeheartedly with Casey J and the others here - Oroborous, your stories are great, keep em' coming.

I hope all is well out there, and happy Friday, Deadland! I'm off to Oakland again!

Your Regular GD Cheerleader :)

Peace

I'm not always able to remember names, dates, details.

Sometimes I'll look at a set list and think damn that looks cool and then I'll put it on and be like.. I know this show! I love this show, this show is awesome, why haven't I been listening to this show everyday and how could I forget that I love this show?!?!?!

Now, you might say.. well you should see the doctor. But I'm not really talking about that.

What I'm talking about is how the music jars the memory.. and it's not even memory, it's almost like FEELING.
The music jars the FEELING you had when you heard it before and you remember that FEELING, cuz it's a wonderful FEELING.

Are you FEELING me?

Yesterday I had that when I was listening to St. Stephen > NFA > St. Stephen.
I know that piece of music. All it's intricacies. It's sweet licks. I've listened to it over and over countless times forgotten. And when I hear it again I remember the FEELING and am taken right back.

Trippy stuff!
The Mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Anyhow.. all that to say. Fuckin' LOVE 10/9/76 and am so glad to remember that I do.

That Set 2 is blazed into my brain.
The FEELING I got is I KNOW this tape! (of course it's not a tape.. but you get what I'm talking about).

I believe I had this as a youngster, but I couldn't find any info about when this show started circulating. Not sure if it was broadcast on FM in the area? Looks like it played on GDHour in 1995, but I FEEL like I had it before then. Memory is so weird, but my memory is that this was one of my go to tapes in the day. Some shows, I know I had early on, 10/9/82 for example, but some FEEL like I had them early on, this being one, and it was formative. Or I could just be tripping.

What a GREAT show and that 2nd Set is epic!

As for today's wonderful trip, I cheated a little yesterday, I was under the impression initially that we were trying to listen to both yesterday, but then OB cleared that up, but I really wanted to hear PITB on my bike ride and it was sunny and epic and shit man.. there's no rules. So hot damn, I'm glad I did that, it was the perfect music and it took me to perfect places and now as I'm hearing it again this Morning, I love the Goddamn Grateful Dead!

Happy Friday everyone this is some good shit!

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Right on!

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No matter how many or how few Grateful Dead concerts any of us attended or even if some of the participants who share their stories here never saw the band with Jerry, does the music make you feel good or reflect the blues so many of us are feeling these days, then the music heals. If some kid was only 12 years old and saw the the band only once in 1995 , very good fortune indeed. If some young person went and saw Dead and Company only once last year , good fortune. If someone of ANY age never saw any of the offshoot bands let alone the real Grateful Dead yet the music speaks to them, good medicine, good fortune indeed.We need all the help we can get, and share.
So dear readers , be of good heart.

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You speak the truth Strider!

Okay, without any further to do on a nice Sunday morning, The Grateful Dead! Thanks Bill!

What is it about might as well? This song seems to get better with age to me. Another high energy performance. Love the FOTD and I first set Wharf Rat, unique.
And like 10/9, the second set is so good. Both of these shows are a treat.

Speaking of Might as Well, might have to put on the 6/17/91 Blu-ray later tonight.

Hard to imagine when we can get back to the movie theaters at full strength. Had a blast last year at the MUATM.

Be well folks!

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I haven't seen anything for today, so I will throw out 10/3/87, Shoreline. This is a great show, if you haven't heard it, check it out and there is a great sounding recording available.

10/10/76 yesterday and 10/3/87 today.
Another great 76 that was put in perspective from that interesting post about DOG and specifically The Who/Dead shows. (Thanks for that GOGD) But now we REALLY need Bolos pics!
Personally these shows, and this release, just rose in status. Not only cause it’s sum good sheet mon, but because they BROUGHT it even though it sounds like they were dealing with three main things R&R bands hate:
- getting up and playing early
- an empty venue
- opening for another bands fans who aren’t interested etc

Dead Workingmen indeed! Not only that, they stick around and party, with JG dancin topless. Many bands would have been whiney beeatches, played short and shity, and took there toys and went home. No these boys were true professionals. Sure they probably were compensated well, and helps the ole BGP relationship, and they might even have asked to play first, considering Monterey. I’m sure there were plenty of heads there, and it was a nearby home show, but still, the level of playing and energy on these fine shows are only enhanced by the fact that they did so in spite of the situation. Cudos to all on a fine release. Can’t believe it took me so long to grab this one...Man I dig 76 more and more!
10/10 was another fine show, and I dug the space. That’s a couple times now I’ve been pleasantly surprised by a 76 space! Love the 1st set Dancin>>Wharf Rat>>Dancin, had to check, thought it was into the second set and I missed something, lol. Overall though, I think I prefer 10/9 just because I’m a sucker for those awesome, tight, segways ala 7/18/76. If I didn’t have such a good CD FM? original source? copy of 7/18/76 that I got on amazon?, anyway, if I didn’t have such a good copy I’d be lobbying non stop, as that show has been a WTF since way back when. It was one of my first tapes back in 77, and being a relatively low gen FM, it was probably one of my early tapes that really sounded good. Yeah that ones a beast, but I digress.
So, onto 10/3/87 today from the wonderful month of rocktober. I believe theres YouTube video of it so maybe I’ll wait and watch it tonight on the big screen? If not, that matrix vguy dialed up looks good. Hell maybe I’ll end up doing both ; )
Rock on brothers and sisters, and here’s to Rocktober! But looking forward to my personal summer 85 adventure starting manana

EDIT: duh, almost forgot. Happy Happy to the “Janes” (and I believe I missed the sixtuses too?) so happy, happy, joy, joy and many more to y’all! Also, thanks for the kind words, and I just knew KCJ would understand these predicaments, ahem, lol. Bot oh, the busted counter was in the room, the kid was in the lobby. If I would of walked into the lobby and tried that shit without a bunch of families and travelers of all ilks, I don’t things would of worked out so well. Power in numbers folks, lol

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I was unaware that a shirtless Jerry photo might be a rare thing, especially since lots of folks carried cameras for those outdoor shows back then.

So, here's the contest: come on over to my house, garage, attic or perhaps my storage unit. Whoever finds the photograph can keep it.

One caveat: you know the warehouse scene at the end of "Raiders of the Lost Ark"? Yeah, its kinda like that. Good luck!

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Does this mean we will finally be getting the Ark 69 box?! Bolo's clues are usually much more elusive, but then again, we've all been waiting on this box a long time already....hmmm