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    "To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

    ¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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  • #871
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    Dogs

    How Dogs Became Man’s Best Friend

    A story told by some Native American peoples is that the Great Spirit decided to divide the worlds of animals and man.
    He gathered all the living beings on a great plain and drew a line in the dirt.
    On one side of the line stood man and on the other side stood all of the animals of the earth.
    When that line began to open up into a great canyon and at the last moment
    Before it became too great to cross, the dog jumped over and stood by man.
    – Unknown -

    Give a man a fire and he’ll be warm for the day.

    Set him on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life

  • #872
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    luckily...

    I have had next to no interactions with police.

    One speeding ticket when I was young and dumb
    one pullover for ???
    one pullover because I changed lanes too fast.

    "so much things to say right now"...but dead.net isn't really the place.

    just BE KIND and respect your fellow human beings, my people.

  • #873
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    my sense is that the blackout...

    is to halt business as usual and think deeply about current affairs, and keep thinking, and act.

  • #874
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    Blackout, Dogs, and Cops

    BLACKOUT: had no clue....it was fine, just wish they would have announced it. Hopefully it helped make a difference!
    It did inform me that perhaps I’m obtaining a bit of a addiction here lol.

    DOGS: love most animals, especially Dogs, it’s people I tend to have problems with. Some Dogs people will say “careful, their not nice, or their not friendly”....me, they love me! Go figure...real unconditional love, loyalty honesty...always glad to see you...amazing.
    I’ve had a Irish setter that was really smart and well trained, a Lab/Husky, and lived for 5 years at a place with the best, smartest, mellowest Golden Mutt ever. This dog would look at you and you felt like perhaps they were a person last go round and now their stuck in this dog body lol. The dog would basically telepath it wanted to go out. Living where we did that meant just opening the door and letting her go. When she wanted to come back in, she would bark once. Then she would wait patiently. If no one let here in within five minutes, she’d bark again just once. Amazing dog! Oh, and she loved the Dead and music in general. I Played music with her owner and she loved to come curl up at your feet on stage while the band was playing! Owner was tight with LOS and she would do that sometimes at their gigs too!
    Labs and Golden’s are awesome, but they need room and a lot of exercise. Both are fun and can be great partners and both usually have good personalities. Their usually really good with kids. But dogs, like people, definetly have personalities so it’s usually best if you can spend time or get to know them before you have to choose. My last Dog was a lab/Husky mutt and I immediately liked him out of the rest of the large litter....because the crazy little guy was already slipping away from mama and getting into stuff at four weeks old, lol. You could tell right then and there he was going to be a handful, named him Aiko because he had that vibe..hey now! Here i come, wuff!
    He was a handful when he was young, but eventually became an awesome well behaved companion.

    TIPS: get them fixed ASAP before they know what there missing etc, I didn’t for over a year and it was a big mistake....since he was fully mature by then and had “gotten some”, so it took years for him to calm down that way even after he’d been fixed. Be prepared to spend A LOT of time that first year. If you wait too long it’s much harder to get good results. You’ll thank yourself because there is nothing better than a life with a cool, mellow, behaved happy dog, and nothing worse than a bad untrained dog. Preferable to get your pup after they’ve been wormed.....
    Insurance. Currently don’t have any pets but my understanding is nowadays you really need insurance....
    Chewing: they do like to chew stuff up. I used crochet balls and old 2x4s. He’d instantly chew anything else up (until older) he couldn’t get enough jaw on the crochet balls and the 2x4s it didn’t matter that he’d shred them, at least they’d last a little while and were free so didn’t matter.
    All dogs can be overprotective and act out. Every dog I’ve ever lived with or known for long has done it at least once, Usually it was just a weird situation and often not all the dogs fault, but it can happen.
    Also, poop! You will be dedicating the next 10-15 years to endless poop; worming, cleaning up, walking, sickness etc.
    In other words, it’s a big decision because it’s a big responsibility! Unfortunately that’s why we don’t have a dog anymore; our lifestyle is not organized and scheduled for the proper care of a dog, and Pedro doesn’t pick up poop, so though I miss not having one, it’s because it wouldn’t be fair to the mutt and I just don’t want all that responsibility these days. Sounds like you have a family to help which can make a big difference and it can be great responsibility learning for a young person. A life with a good dog can be one of the greatest experiences in life, but man is it hard when they go. I’ve lost my folks, all my grandparents, most of my aunts and uncles, even a few friends, but I think losing a good dog that you were really tight with and had a good life with can sometimes be harder. I still get pretty upset if I start thinking too much about missing those guys. I’m getting misty just talking about it...

    COPS: I’ve had a few good experiences with reasonable, polite, and respectful ones, but unfortunately I’ve had more terrible experiences. Leddead your Denver buddies being some of the worst!
    Years ago after a Phil and Phreinds show at the Philmore, I had 4 or 5 beers over the course of several hours, but stopped more than 3 hours before leaving. This is a system I’ve used based on science for years. Basicallly, get a little buzz early, then stop so by the time you leave your totally fine (legally and otherwise).
    So I take the back street behind the Philmore to avoid all the lights on Colfax, and then cut back over near DT so I could get to the expressway etc. Well as I’m not familiar or good in the city, and my night vision sucks, I made a right on red at a place I wasn’t supposed to. Cop is sitting there hiding in an alley just waiting for this. So she pulls me over, and of course asks if I’ve been drinking. Since I knew I was legal etc I said I had a few, a few hours ago. I know, that’s what everyone says, but it was true. So next thing you know there’s a half dozen cops most of which are trying to mess with me and get me to do something stupid so they can mess with me. One even stepped on my toe while getting so close to my face he was spitting on me while he screamed at me. I was never so scarred in my life. Luckily, I know how to act around wild animals so I just stayed calm and was overly polite the whole time. So I take the so called sobriety tests that I can’t pass if it’s first thing on Tuesday and I’m more sober than a baby. It’s a proven fact these tests are designed for failure.
    So of course I fail and they arrest me even though I’ve still not taken a breathalyzer which I’ve been asking to do the whole time. Now I’m pretty beat up for my age, and I’ve had reoccurring shoulder problems, and it’s extremely painful for me to ware the jewelry behind my back which is standard practice for officer safety. So I try to very calmly and politely explain this to the Women cop who originally pulled me over as she was the ONLY one of the posse that wasn’t being intimidating, obnoxious, rude, or trying to violate my rights. But as soon as I did, the brutes slammed me up against my truck and hurt me so bad putting the cuffs on I was crying out in pain. Luckily the ride was short as I was in severe agony.
    So we get to the compound and go into an armored door underground garage. So before we go in the officer has to put her weapons etc in a locker in the garage area. So now she starts getting nervous about taking her hands off me while she attends to this protocol (they don’t want you grabbing their weapon after they take the cuffs off inside).
    So since she’s now alone she’s not comfortable etc and has me stand on the other side of this fortress garage and says don’t go anywhere....so I’m like Mam, im over fifty years old, mostly broken, I’m in extreme agony here cuffed behind like this, what am I going to do, some acrobatic Kung fu shit and fly over there and bite you in the neck because I made an illegal right on red? Kinda like Arlo Guthrie LOL, but it helped reassure her and she actually smiled a little.
    So next it’s this whole long convoluted process to book you and get mug shots etc and I’ve still not had the test. Meanwhile there are now new Neanderthals circled around trying to get me to give them any reason at all to mess with me. At some point they tell me I have to sign shit which lawyer friends say never sign anything! So I politely mention this and before I even finish they start telling me I’m now failing to comply and refuse the test (which I never did) and how I just lost my license and all kinds of other screaming and carrying on until they finally shut up enough so I say, look, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to know what your asking me to sign. So he takes the paper and jams it in my face so close it’s touching my face. Another inch and he would of basically hit me. Now I’m even more scarred...finally, after more threats, screaming, insults, intimidation etc, I get to take the test. Now I’m still not worried about DUI cause I know I’m not illegal etc, but I am worried about getting beat. Again this whole time I’ve never raised my voice. I’ve only spoken when asked to, and I’ve used only Sir, Mam, Officer etc and been extremely polite and respectful. So I take the test and of course barely register any alcohol like less then .001, .08 is the legal limit....but this nut doesn’t believe it so recalibrated the machine and made me blow multiple times, including putting his face next to mine and screaming at me that I’m not blowing hard enough (like a drill Sargent) even though I’m literally out of breath and panting etc...
    Finally the original gal that stopped me (who’s been totally proffesional the whole time) says “enough, he’s good, I’m letting him go and taking him back.” We’ll they have to go through the whole convoluted process in reverse to sign all my stuff back out including my tour laminate (was not looking forward to notifying my cousin that the cops now have full access)...so while this is happening, they take one last run at me trying to get me to give them ANY reason to mess me up and lock me up, all because I failed to obey a traffic sign I never saw...
    This is just one story, I have several others where I wasn’t as worried about being beat, but I did have my rights totally violated, so my 2 cents is that I’m scarred shitless anytime I have to deal with cops. It didn’t used to be as bad, my experiences have gotten worse over the years and I’m white, I’ve never done anything bad (I don’t believe minor drug stuff is bad) and I’ve never actually been convicted with anything except speeding, yet in the last ten years or so anytime I’ve been pulled over I’ve immediately become extremely scarred, nervous, anxious and worried for my safety. If these cops are all so good and there’s only a few bad apples, why should generally law abiding citizens be scarred for their life during even a routine traffic stop (last time had a company truck with tail bulbs out)? Another example, car searches: they rarely did them in the old days, now, it’s almost like standard practice...they used to have to follow the constitution....
    Imagine how our brothers and sisters of color feel....
    We have a serious systemic problem with the recruitment, training, and oversight of our law enforcement in our police state of a so called free democracy. Be careful out there folks....like Kerouac said “avoid authority, go through life like a ghost”

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    you made me check on Robb Johnson, I have none, I want. Amazon has a 5 cd set called "A Reasonable History of Impossible Demands". (I'd want it just for that title!) Used, it's an ok price. Anyone familiar with said album?

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    Simon-no I had no idea what was happening on this website yesterday until someone told me in an email. I am obviously following what is happening on the news, but I never came across any references to social networks-or whatever this is-closing for the day. It almost felt as though they were stopping discussion on the subject by their action. So...an act of protest. I would never have known it if I hadn't been told. I'm not sure what "going black" for the day is supposed to achieve.

  • #877
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    Colin - PERFECT!

    Thick, Rich, White!!!

    Still laughing, but will work that bad boy in, somewhere!

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    T.I.H.

    Dead-Shoreline amp. mountain view 6/3/76. Max creek-Capital theater 6/3/89. You could almost find as much acid at max creek gigs as the dead in the 80s. Whew, is it safe to come out now?

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    Two that I like, both from Half Man Half Biscuit lyrics:

    “You’re the reason that Paradise Lost”
    “The light at the end of the tunnel is the light of an oncoming train”

    Perhaps a little simplistic but a lyric from Robb Johnson about an earlier Tory government
    “They’re the cream of the nation. Thick, Rich, White”

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    Quote a Day Board!

    I just read somewhere further down someone suggested a quote a day board (sorry forget who), but I thought what a great idea!

    Here's an mean one to start off

    I kept it in a cage, watched it weeping, but I made it stay. - Kate Bush

    :-)

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 08:02

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. How’s it hanging! Hope all is well 👌🏻

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 09:46

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So can we buy it or what?

I wanna keep it forever and ever...

Old school, I know but streaming isn't permanent.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 10:07

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I wonder if they will put a physical copy out of this.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 10:42

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....very interesting. Stream only format. 2 1/2 hrs. Only 4 minutes deadicated to Cumberland though :(

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 10:45

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Agreed, don't see it anywhere.

I like physical copies also. NOTHING streams forever.

If it's being given away, send us a link to a mp3 location. (at minimum)

Maybe at the very minimum, send a link to DaP subscriptions. (oh, that maybe a little self serving, sorry)
But I have no fear, a link will be provided AND a resourceful Head will get them down and out.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 11:25

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They said they found these in a bunch of unlabled boxes, maybe 6/17/75 and 6/11/69 were also in those boxes, or maybe more live 1970 shows.

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Submitted by LedDed on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 13:35

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Nice synchronicity of having to listen to that slab of pure cheese in the dentist's office, because whenver I hear "Summer of '69" it's like having a tooth pulled.

I listen to classic rock radio in the background all day at work. I can't be too engaged in it, like constantly selecting and changing music, etc., so the local rock station just plays songs all day long. It's mostly ok, hell, they even play the Dead every once in awhile even if it's usually "Touch Of Grey."

Probably the cheesiest, absolutely most cringe-inducing vehicle of sonic crappiness has to be Bruce Springsteen's, "Born In The USA." The keyboards are the cheesiest ever, and the Boss wailing over it in that I've-really-got-to-take-a-dump voice of his is just too much, not to mention the full-on patriotic velveeta of the lyrics.

There are a few others that rankle me, like anything by Bon Jovi, but I think "USA" takes the cake.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 13:48

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I fully agree with ledded. The most puke inducing music on the planet. Especially 'thunder road'.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 14:57

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....did you know he was a draft dodger? Born In The USA ok. But won't fight for it. My 2 cents.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 15:06

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Ever see the Burns Doc 'The Vietnam War'? I wouldn't want to fight in that shit either. Government lies to you and knows it can't win, yet drafts it's young men into the meat grinder. Sign me up! :-P

Not a huge fan of Springsteen's music, but until your number comes up you never know what you will do.

This my country right or wrong jingo bullshit is how we ended up where we are now. Cough cough. USA!

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 15:57

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I would think that Bruce Springsteen has quite a few rivals in the awful record category in classic rock. Pity they don't have station for real rock n' roll. Or maybe surreal rock n' roll.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 17:03

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Born in the USA....now I’m no Bruce fan, yes he’s a good entertainer, and he wrote some good songs, but his actual talent as a musician etc is limited, and that band sounded like a wedding band, not a R&R band. But.....But, I really enjoyed his mostly solo On Broadway special. You could actually hear the lyrics and he is a good entertainer and story teller. He ought to perform like that all the time. And I’m not sure, but I believe Born In USA is actually an anti USA song not a wave that flag,....I think?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 17:14

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Yes, I have heard that it was subversively a protest song. Looking at the lyrics I don't know how that could have been. It's quite obvious when you read them. Maybe since the only words anyone could probably understand was the refrain was why it became misunderstood as a 'patriotic' song. :-)

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Submitted by LedDed on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 18:18

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I would like to add, I respect Springsteen as a songwriter. Like it or not, feel a part of it or not, he has given voice to a great number of Americans. I'm kind of iffy about that voice in totality, but I'm a big fan of songs like Cover Me, I'm On Fire, Brilliant Disguise, State Trooper (chilling!), Radio Nowhere and others.

It's a mixed bag and he's so prolific, I'd probably say I'm a real fan of 5 to 10 percent of his recorded output. Saw him live right after 9/11, and he only played like two hits and they were the cheese! Born To Run and the aforementioned nationalist jingo "USA." He'd just released that political album and spent so much time on the soapbox. Yes, I agree with his politics, but it was such a drag! We bought those tickets to go rock out live not attend a partisan rally.

The best songs are full of ambiguities and sometimes the writers themselves change their mind about what the words mean over time, and this is a good thing. "USA" touches on the horrors of war, but also that chorus was like a redneck Chevy truck commercial.

No matter. You don't generally get where Bruce is without learning a hell of a lot about your craft, working very hard and earning your connection to your audience. No disrespect to the Boss or any of his fans - I just can't take the "cheese."

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Submitted by The Outer One on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 19:51

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Our 4th of July if you were wondering. Eh.

Have a grateful weekend averyone and stay safe.

PS. Sounds like hockey is on it's way for those still interested! Can't wait!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 20:45

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Yeah, yeah, I agree, He supposedly has these great lyrics, but you can’t understand them especially over the smashing garbage can lids and Casio toy keyboard, or the overly eq’d piano., and three guitars mostly playing nothing....shit sounds like a wedding band to me, and no disrespect to the big man, but he wasn’t no Coltrane.... that’s why I dug that Solo On Broadway we saw on Netflix....you could actually hear the lyrics and he’d sometimes set up the songs or meanings. I’ve never been a fan, but in this format he was awesome!

EDIT: Happy Canada Day to our fine brothers and sisters in the great white north! (Cue the beer hunter music from the Great White North movie with Bob and Doug, hosers! ) Hey, I’m part Canadian so I can say that lol

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Submitted by nappyrags on Wed, 07/01/2020 - 20:53

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Hey Dennis & Billy The Kid...check your PM's....

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Today I had to drive into town (Flagstaff, AZ 90 miles one way) to pick up a new external Hard Drive as one of my drives ate it a couple of days ago...it was an 8TB drive that I've had for a few years...I learned the hard way about ten years ago of backing up the back ups so no music was lost, only time & Ca$h...my drive takes me through Ponderosa Pine forests as I climb up and over the south end of the San Francisco Peaks, but even at that altitude and forest we're pretty much considered high desert...so I played this anniversary show, a Hunter Seamons Matrix...

GRATEFUL DEAD
SEATTLE CENTER COLISEUM
SEATTLE, WA
JULY 1, 1979

JERRY GARCIA - Lead Guitar, Vocals
MICKEY HART - Drums
BILL KREUTZMANN - Drums
PHIL LESH - Electric Bass, Vocals
BRENT MYDLAND - Keyboards, Vocals
BOB WEIR - Rhythm Guitar, Vocals

CD ONE
1 - TUNING (3:47)
2 - MISSISSIPPI HALF-STEP UPTOWN TOODELOO > (8:31)
3 - FRANKLIN’S TOWER (13:33)
4 - MAMA TRIED > (2:34)
5 - MEXICALI BLUES (5:55)
6 - PEGGY-O (9:53)
7 - MINGLEWOOD BLUES (8:25)
8 - STAGGER LEE (8:12)
9 - EL PASO (5:50)
10 - BROWN EYED WOMEN (7:15)
11 - PASSENGER (5:51)

CD TWO
1 - TUNING (2:00)
2 - DON’T EASE ME IN (5:09)
3 - SAMSON AND DELILAH (11:32)
4 - SUGAREE (16:38)
5 - TERRAPIN STATION > (12:03)
6 - PLAYING IN THE BAND > (13:53)
7 - DRUMS > (9:27)

CD THREE
1 - SPACE > (3:43)
2 - STELLA BLUE > (10:42)
3 - TRUCKIN’ > (9:29)
4 - AROUND AND AROUND (11:10)
5 - SHAKEDOWN STREET (8:40)

Mission successful ...new drive in hand and my ears are ringing...

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 02:54

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Nappyrags, thank you for sending me that information on the Workingmans dead outakes. I tried to send you a pm back about it , but I don't know that it went through. I downloaded the file you sent me but my Kindle Fire would'nt let me open it. I'm not very computer savy, so it's probably something I did wrong. I'm much better with a pick and shovel then I am with a computer. Anyways, thanks again man.

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 03:17

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Thanks JRF,,,, let me wipe the tears, there, better. Great cover, great guitar by Tom. A few years back there was a special "music cares". They had people doing Bruce songs, while thanking him. Anyway, Tom Morello and Jim James (from My Morning Jacket), knock this bitch out of the park with jamming at the end. (Alabama Shakes did an incredible job on Adam Raise a Cain)

All the Bruce talk yesterday and it seemed not much Bruce love here :-) I like Bruce (I have to, I'm from Jersey), but really I found Bruce at a low point in my life and his songs gave me hope. And Darkness on the Edge of Town, maybe his best album. The River next. (is a dream a lie if it don't come true, or is it something worst). His happier songs (bouncy?) remind me of the roller rink, and I grew up there. :-)

Tonight I'll be on that hill 'cause I can't stop,
I'll be on that hill with everything I got,
With lives on the line where dreams are found and lost,
I'll be there on time and I'll pay the cost,
For wanting things that can only be found
In the darkness on the edge of town.

Nappy - Thanks for email, down and done. FYI - I too just bought a new HD. Got a 10tb Seagate. My old one didn't croak, but I outgrew (kinda). In any event, now I got some working room :-)

We got any old main frame computer people out there? IBM 360 days. The old 2314's disk units were 30 meg drives and they were about the size of a washing machine and ran 200,000 bucks each. Today 10TB sits on the corner of my desk!!! Progress!!

Final Jeopardy question - Is a 10 TB drive heavier when full?

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 03:38

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I was actually watching a concert on blu ray with Bruce Springsteen in the band earlier this week - the so called Black and White Night by Roy Orbison. Bruce sings back up vocals and plays perfectly adequate rhythm guitar. He doesn't come off too well trading solos with James Burton-but apart from Albert Lee, I can't think of anyone who would.

He also co-wrote the immortal Because the Night with, and of course sung by Patti Smith. One of the great singles of the late 70s. I have never heard any of his albums though. The bits and bobs I have heard by him with his band don't sound too promising, I have to say.

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Submitted by Mr. Ones on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 07:29

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Well, you all have forced me to chime in. My first reaction to the negative Springsteen dialogue was to get defensive. Thankfully, I remembered that we all don’t have to like the same music all the time. I dislike a number of bands discussed here, but never felt a great need to bring it up.
I was mid-late teens when Bruce released his first few albums, so lyrically, I could relate( a LOT). Being an east coast kid helped also(I believe). He is not a technically great musician, but as a showman, I put him way, way up there. Some of my favorite parts of his shows were the between song stories he told. I could really relate. And this “wedding band” stuff. I don’t agree, but usually, when people slam stuff they don’t like or understand, they use these typically pejorative generalizations.
I always loved his use of organ & piano live, it sounded fantastic to me. And the band had at times, a stone heavy “Neanderthal” thump, which I also liked. In any case, after The River album, I was pretty much done with Bruce, I no longer related as much to the lyrics, and he did get REAL poppy.
Sometimes I think one has to hear an artist at just the right time & place to “get it”.
It was good to hear from DAVEROCK, who’s opinion I always respect. I believe that some bands don’t cross over well, UK to US, and vice-versa. Not sure why, but it may be culturally driven. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE , a ton of UK & European bands, yet others, I just don’t get. No big deal I suppose.
We (thankfully) are all allowed to like & dislike whatever bands we choose. In this forum, we generally share a lot of the same likes. So, I don’t really feel the need to defend Bruce, I still pretty much only listen to the first 5 albums.
But it’s in the WAY that some folks deride, that shows a bias & maybe even a little bitterness.
When it comes to music, I’m only about beauty, love, and especially, discovery.
That Tom Joad clip gave me goose flesh, and the lyrics are so appropriate TODAY!!

P.S. one of my favorite things about music is I get to listen & love so many different styles. The Beatles, GFR, Black Sabbath, Miles Davis, Cream, Steppenwolf, John Coltrane, Terry Riley, XTC, The Grateful Dead(!!), Bill Frisell, Johnny Cash, The Carter Family, Steve Reich, Kraftwerk, Iron & Wine, James Gang, Deep Purple, Doc Watson, Steve Marcus, Jack DeJohnette...I really could go on for days.
Music is the BEST!!!!!!
C’mon WD 50th, and Dave’s 35!!
Stay safe and healthy all.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 08:21

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Well said. I'll never understand why some feel the need to shit on things, especially something so subjective as music, ... other than they love to get a negative reaction from others. It's gotten pretty thorny around here lately.

We all learned it through fairy tales, but it still holds true today: Don't feed the trolls.

Peace

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 09:44

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Born In the U.S.A.--Incredibly powerful ANTI-jingoist song. The fact that it comes across as a wrap-your-head-in-the-flag anthem is part of its brilliance. The song is actually coming down on jingoists who exhort us into war, then crap all over the soldiers by voting for politicians who strip away veteran benefits.

Please listen to Bruce's first two albums, THEN tell me you don't care for him! :)

Has he gotten schlocky since Tunnel of Love? In my mind, yes. But to discredit everything through Tunnel is a bit drastic. Not many rockers put out great albums for decades and decades . . . and check out some of his 70s live shows. Wow.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 10:47

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Dennis, thank you very much. I hope you have a great day.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 11:04

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Mr Ones - spot on as usual. It seems true that music I have liked for decades is at least partly due to the time and place when I first heard it. Maybe great music needs a receptive listener to make it truly make it great. And to criticize an artist shows the limitations of the listener rather than the musician concerned.
A lot of music I liked as a teenager still sounds great to me - but if I played it to one of my friends who is over 60, who had never heard it before, I am sure they wouldn't get it. Albums like "Electric Warrior" Paranoid" and "Space Ritual" weren't made with retired people in mind. But if you were 16 and its 1973...
I would also agree that some music travels better abroad than others.

Billy the Kid...thanks for posting that clip showing Jerry jamming with James Burton. Great stuff - I have never seen that before.

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Submitted by gratefulgerd on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 11:28

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Still waiting for Dap 34. It's a bummer. 63 days have gone since shipping.
Having a Hebedanz Anna-Fest Bier to compensate.
Just Listened to 1971-07-02, Fillmore West. It was also a great year. I really enjoyed!!!
Gerd

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Submitted by deadegad on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 12:22

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Yes it is not really jingoist, Born in the U.S.A., and I do like Bruce S.. Yet I do understand that not everyone does. Criticism is fine and often funny. That Lee Greenwood song is not really jingoistic either but rather it is just kind of corny. No offense intended to anyone.

P.S. Bruce's Gypsy Biker is quite a good anti-war song (Iraq) and very moving.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 12:54

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Good call! Man, it's been forever since I tuned that one in. Probably on tape, an early show to my collection.

Thanks for mentioning.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Thu, 07/02/2020 - 13:14

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Shipping notice 5/26. Actually shipped 6/22. I was watching the street, but missed the mail carrier, so it sat for a spell in a black mailbox in the direct sun on the hottest, sunniest MN day yet this summer. Hope the vinyl didn't melt! #2017.

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Submitted by Cactus_Jack on Fri, 07/03/2020 - 09:14

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Hello, I recently got a Spring 1990 The Other One Box except it came without the 144 page book. I was wondering If anyone had an extra book they would be willing to sell me here. I see individual shows from this set posted on eBay from time to time so assume they may be out there. If you got an extra or know where to find one please PM me. Many thanks

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 07/03/2020 - 09:55

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Big Hello to JRF and thanks for that awesome TJ with Morello. One of those instances when it caught me off guard and just right.

BILLY THE KID: ditto, thanks for the awesome postS. Can you see how happy Jerry was? I swear as magnificent as the Dead is I sometimes feel I’d rather watch JG with other folks in low profile situations, which is what I did for a while after your Sweetwater songs. Los Lobos, Santana, you name it he could step in and just fly. Think back to all the awesome projects he was working on in the later years that had little or nothing to do with the Dead and it’s really quite a list of really great stuff. As has been speculated before.....have to wonder what might of been if they would have just taken some time off and/or not toured so much. Did the Dead inadvertently kill Jerry?...

6/21/84: I was there, and don’t recall much except we dropped right on the international border going over the peace bridge, and yeah, that was a blistering Scarlet/Fire, oh and the Band was good, and fun on the encores including I think my first Big Boss Man?

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