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    "To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

    ¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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  • Oroborous
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    What ever the reason...

    if it turns out to be a mass defect and not just a few unfortunate individual cases, then it’s BS and they should at least investigate if not replace the discs like Jim said. What do they do now when you have a bad disc? ala PNW etc... I believe folks said they would just send discs?
    Fortunately I’ve never had a big problem (perhaps 2 or 3 skips out of hundreds of discs) but I have had some discs that were hard to rip. I have excellent Exact Audio copy ripping SW and never have problems with other manufacturers discs. The 30 Trips music only addition took forever to rip some discs (not because of scratches or other physical anomaly’s). If not for the EAC I probably wouldn’t have been able to rip some at all! Interestingly, these problems have only been with more current rhino releases, NEVER any of my pre rhino Dead releases...
    Back in 86, like Vguy, Sargent Peppers was the second CD I ever bought and though often the master tape used, the digital conversion and mastering on many early discs is lackluster, but at least every single disc from way back then still plays fine. So why then are these relative new discs bad, and why even today, does rhino have so many problems and defects?
    Yes Charlie you have a valid point IF the problems were rare, and if the sample sizes were small, but that hasn’t seemed to be the case. It just doesn’t seem like such widespread, repeating issues anywhere else? Maybe the fault rates aren’t that unusual and it’s just because we’re all so vigilant and vocal here, thus we think it’s a bigger problem then normal?
    All I know is these rhino releases are pretty much the only discs I’ve had problems with since 1986 when I bought my first CD player...truly hope this is just another small sample and not a systemic problem or things are going to get weird around here....

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    All my cds were acquired by subscription through deadnet. They were all stored in the same box and it seems like it is only the first 4 Dave s Picks that are a problem. I played Dave s Picks 5 and it is fine, thank goodness, Dave s 5 was stored right next to the first 4.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    That’s what Rhino used to ‘write’ these CD’s.

    It should come as no surprise that some of the CD’s are bad. Pretty much every release has defective discs that have to be replaced. Some were probably slightly defective but got worse with handling/storage conditions.

    But don’t panic too much yet. Take a CD that now appears defective and make a copy to a HD, then listen to the files. They might be OK.
    I have had it both ways with Rhino CD’s, for example, last year I bought RT Fall 77 when someone pointed out that it was being sold with the bonus disc. All the CD’s played fine on my Onkyo CD player, but were defective when I made copies on my HD. But, each copy on the HD was defective in different places. I used 2 computers and 2 different CD burners to make a total of 7 copies on a HD. I was then able to piece together a complete RT (actually broke up the tracks by date) using the 7 copies, which had defects in different places.

    6-17-76 CD3, notorious for Rhino having to redo the CD twice. My CD3 that had skips and static when played on my Onkyo CD player ripped flawlessly to a HD on the first try.

    Skull Fuck - Golden Road Box, plays fine on my Onkyo but I could never get a good copy on a HD, it always had skips and static.

    I’ll check my DaP’s this weekend to see if they have degraded (I’m back at work this week which is good, but now I don’t get to listen to as much GOGD during the day as I did over the last 2 months).

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    I have a grand piano and guitars. My home is kept between 45-55% humidity all year and the temp. is kept constant between 64 and 72 degrees.

    I purchased all of the discs through Dead.net and am the original owner of all the discs. My DaP discs are kept in their original cases and the amount of play over the life of each disc is less than 30-40 hours on each disc.

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    Yeah, absolutely a mess and a bummer. Given that not all of these 2012 DaP discs seem to have failed, I'm just curious about the storage and handling conditions for the discs that have failed and if they were acquired directly through deadnet or had passed through a few hands on the secondary market. It could very well turn out that deadnet or Rhino made some questionable choices but I haven't seen anything to indicate that at this point, so I'm just reserving judgment on blame. Definitely the stuff of nightmares for an OCD CD collector.

  • JimInMD
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    I hear that Charlie.. not saying this was a purposeful act, in fact I suspect Rhino might not have even pulled the trigger. I haven't had the time to check my discs yet.. but if all this is true, it is a bit of a mess.

    I look at it more like that bad batch of PVC piping that had to be replaced in everyone's homes or the decade or so the sheetrock from China was subpar.

  • wilfredtjones
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    Not playing at all :-(

    My next step after getting through 3 and 4 will be to move on to other players. I should stop reporting now unless others begin to report issues. I have everything digitized but I would love replacement discs! I would not need any packaging! How many think that could really happen?

    Worse things in the world, but...

    Moving on to 3.

  • Charlie3
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    Wow...

    ...I think of myself as pretty cynical but I'm not seeing the reported disc degradation as evidence of some deadnet/Rhino plot to scam us out of our money for an inferior product. Is it possible some of these discs were stored in poor conditions? Is it possible that even a reliable manufacturer has unforeseen problems leading to failure of the product 8 years later? Is it possible deadnet/Rhino did not just find the cheapest fly-by-night outfit they could find to manufacture these discs? Do they deserve any benefit of the doubt? If I'm ever on trial accused of a crime, I hope you guys aren't on the jury.

  • unkle sam
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    This is hard to swallow, what can be done about this? I have every one of these Dave's discs and have never opened them, now what, will they play? will they rot? will the sun shine on my back door someday? I have purchased every box set since the europe 72 box and I think I will put them all up on ebay now. what to do about these Dave's? I think I too have bought my last Dave's subscription, what a shame I do love the Grateful Dead so. Funny, I have disc's I purchased in the early 90's that still look and play great, why have these gone bad in just 8 years? Sounds like an investigation is warranted, can we all get a refund for these discs? can anyone who works here or at rhino check on that for us please. Hey Dave, will you address this, they have your name on them, if I was in this position, I would demand an investigation as to why the greatest music ever made has been put on inferior media. Wow, this is real bad for Rhino and Dead net.
    I was right all along, Rhino is a lousy music company. I am done with Rhino. Greed rules again. I guess the only way to keep getting new Dead music is to get a copy from a friend, rip it right away and give it back, that way you get the great music we all love and don't get ripped off in the process. It just doesn't make since, spend all that time to remaster all these releases and then put them on subpar media, who's stupid idea was that? some suit who works at rhino and can only see $ signs? I guess we can all just buy vinyl, or has Rhino put all of that music on faulty media too? Who knows, we might never know but one thing is for sure, Rhino and Dead net just lost a buttload of trust and probably more than one customer. First Trump, then Corona, now Grateful Dead music on shitty discs, the world is truly coming to an end. Oh wait that caveat emptor thing might cover their asses on Dicks picks, is that same caveat emptor on Dave's as well? Don't recall seeing that on any of those.

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    ..but They could replace just the discs and not the packaging without breaking the bank.

    They could even finance it with a special ala cart release like Nightfall of Diamonds. Think of the goodwill that would produce, and in the end it's the right thing to do.

    Three comments:
    - They could replace just the discs.
    - How much was saved by switching to whatever production decision was made to get lesser quality blanks.
    - I suspect this was outsourced and the decision to go cheap was made by whoever they outsourced it to.

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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Not sure if the negative rebuttals regarding the Boss are directed at me? But I feel I need to reply.
First, I said more positive things about him than negative. I emphatically stated he’s a great songwriter, entertainer/performer, storyteller, and that my understanding was that Born in the USA was a anti jingo song.
I also, like others, mentioned that his awesome talent is not so much as a musician, (meaning comparatively to say JG), but with these above mentioned awesome skills.
What I did say was that I’m just not a big fan, especially of the band, and more specifically I’ve never liked their sound. Jerry once said he couldn’t get into the Doors because they sounded too brittle to HIM....does that mean he’s just using a pejorative generalization? NO, it just means he didn’t like the way they sounded so couldn’t really get past that!
Same here folks! In fact if anyone is making generalizations it was not me. Some Rubes said some unsubstantiated down and dirty things about Bruce, but I actually tried to explain WHY I don’t like their sound, and thus have never been able to move past that, and therefore,.....here’s the funny part, the point I was ironically, really trying to express was how much his on Broadway solo performance on Netflix blew me away and changed my perspective!
So to assume I’ve never listened (I’ve listened to Bruce for over forty years wether I wanted to or not on the radio or elsewhere, including living with the misses for 23 years as she’s a huge fan!), so to make such an assumption : that I’ve not listened and thus don’t know what I’m talking about, just because I have a difference of opinion, is actually doing exactly what your accusing me of!
Also, I don’t think I was shitting on anything, and if I was, I apologize. I admit I could of been a tad less harsh, but if you know me that was some-what exaggerated for humorous affect, and yes, to hopefully elicit more discourse?
So I’m totally bummed that my personal colorful critique of a 80s pop band caused such a reaction. And yes, I understand most of his best work was before then, and he continued to do so well after the 80s, but to me, sorry, when somebody mentions Bruce, that’s my first thought, that Born in the USA thin pop sound, with no improvisation or any of the things I find important in music. And so yes, as people often do so as to hopefully make a point without having to ramble on like this and micro explain, I used a general phrase, wedding band, to make a point, but I can certainly continue to pontificate why I don’t like their sound etc if you like, but hopefully I’ve made my point. Simply, my personal opinion of WHY I don’t like them, so what?
Because as most here know, opinions are like A-holes, everyone’s got one, but some of ours work too much...
Again, I apologize for the way I expressed my opinion, but not that I expressed one. I mean come on, that’s a lot of what we do here, we express our thoughts, and hope we get positive feedback, or respectful discourse, which to me can be just as fun, bantering differing ideas about, than everybody always agreeing about everything....
So Mr Ones et el, I totally agree with everything you said up until you personally insulted me!
Buts it’s ok, it’s all good, I can take criticism. I’ve been taking it my whole life. It’s part of being a fuck up LOL
So peace be with you as LMG would say, and again, please except my apologies if I’ve offended anyone!

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WORKINGMAN'S DEAD (50TH ANNIVERSARY DELUXE EDITION)

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AND THE CURIOUS
Gather round every Thursday as we tell the tales of Grateful Dead days of yore! The Good Ol' Grateful Deadcast, the first official podcast of the Grateful Dead, is devoted to exploring the music and mythology behind one of the most enduring, progressive, and influential bands in the history of recorded music. Here, we invite you to delve into the band’s enormous mythology in digestible chunks. Think you know it all? We'll probe corners of the band’s history you never knew existed. No topic will be off limits.
Hosts Rich Mahan and Jesse Jarnow will take the lead, picking up special guests from the Dead universe along the way. Upcoming episodes will feature interviews with Dennis McNally, David Lemieux, David Nelson, Bill “Grateful Red” Walton and Trixie Garcia, amongst many others.
To celebrate the 50th anniversary of WORKINGMAN'S DEAD, we're kicking things off with an eight-episode arch that examines each song on the album individually.
May the long strange trip continue across the pod! 🙏❤️💀🌹

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I honestly don’t think anyone was out of line expressing their opinions. No need whatsoever for anyone to apologize.

For what it’s worth, I was never a fan. To steal a line I heard years ago; Springsteen is like my sex life. Lots of effort, but not much talent.

It’s the Fourth of July , so everyone should just relax and have a beer. No such luck for me. I agreed to join my underage daughter in a three month sabbatical from drinking and dessert. Poor timing for me, especially considering that our air-conditioning went out today.

Thanks for the Festival Express link. What a neat movie. My favorite part was when the camera panned the crowd and there was Garcia right up front watching another band perform. The other cool thing about the movie is the intensity on the band members’ faces. They were really into what they were doing.

Glug, glug.

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As AJS stated, there’s no need for an apology. It is literally impossible to hurt my feelings, especially in writing. I love disagreement, and I’m not afraid of opinions opposite of my own.
I’ve re-read my post more than once, and I cannot see a “personal insult” to you or anyone else. One of the many points I was trying to convey was that there’s nothing wrong with disliking ANY artist, as was stated earlier, music and love of It is ENTIRELY subjective. I just don’t think we need to use adjectives that are detrimental. I can disagree with you about an artist, but that doesn’t make either one of us right or wrong. As Dan Fogelberg once said, “if even one person likes an artist, that legitimizes that artist“. I really did not want to stir the pot.
So please, don’t apologize to me. Unless you steal something from me, it’s not necessary.
And besides Oro, I enjoy 98% of your posts. Keep ‘em coming. Arguments are ok, respectful arguments are better. And besides, you don’t want to make me list another 30 or 100 artists I like!!

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"Did the Grateful Dead inadvertently kill Jerry? That's a good question and one that has been asked many times and discussed alot over the last 25 years. Wow, 25 years since Jerrbear left us. In my opinion, Jerry loved to party and play and be in the moment, the Grateful Dead fed that jones right up to the end. He loved us all so much, he played until he couldn't play anymore, and still kept trying. Did the Dead help in his demise? perhaps, but it was also all of it, the life, the drugs, the parties, the pressure....it's hard to say except that I still miss him dearly. Love you Jer
I sometimes wonder to myself what the world would be like if Jerry was still alive, I believe he had a calming effect on the universe and when he left us, a lot of that kind, calm went with him.

Thanks Daverock for the CD's, Tangerine Dream weekend coming up.

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That energy that Jerry manifested at his highest resonance is still beaming down, and there are plenty of others who are attuned to it. The Dalai Lama, maybe. Try and get on that higher plane. Garcia was an exceptionally strong receiver, with a background full of intense psychedelic experiences. He was completely open. That can be a difficult existence and it's probably why he dove so headlong into narcotics.

The band talked about getting off the road more so Jerry could heal. But really, that book was already written and it was always going to end the way it did. The important thing is we still have the music. I'm comfortable saying Jerry Garcia gave his life to, and for, the music.

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You folks are probably aware of this. Honoring the fifth anniversary, Fans is webcasting all three Chicago Fare Thee Well performances this Sunday morning starting at 9 am ET.

https://fans.com/livestream/20200705-fare-thee-well/?utm_source=2020070…

Not sure if it's still happening, but dead.net put some of the FTW media on sale 40% off. I waited five years eying the box set and pounced!

Stay well , all and happy fourth celebration of our democracy.

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The 2nd set 'the other one' has a perfectly placed scream at 2:10. Is this donna or a fan. It's pretty awesome. It must be donna.

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Maybe one of my relatives...I can’t be held responsible.

Today...been hittin up that St Paul show from 7/3/78

Oro...have you checked your PM?

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Well, my list is now down to the top 5. In no particular order, Dire Wolf, Uncle John's Band, Cumberland Blues, Easy Wind and Ripple Next week we will annouce the final top two. Stay tuned, as the anticipation mounts.

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Happy 4th to the great Dead fan base here from your friends North of the 49th. Whatever the other 193 nations fling your way, we know there is no better and loyal compadre than the USA. FIrst to lend a hand up, not a push down, so wave that flag, so much to be proud of! Like the Dead, maybe the odd wrong note or off show, but overall, in a class by itself! Cheers!

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Holding to my defiant tradition of not playing shows on their anniversary dates, today's random pic was 5/18/72. Just exactly perfect on this sunny Southern California afternoon.

Stay safe, gang.

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a merman I should turn to be

Excellent track

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This is the presale week, correct?
Who has some info? ….hoping for 7/13/84 PLEAS

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....was browsing Netflix yesterday when i saw that they have Airplane!. It had been a while since i've seen it so i fired it up. Wife walks in and asks, "What's this your watching?" "Airplane!', i said. "What?" was her response. Blown away. My wife had never seen Airplane!. Well, i was up to the task and took care of that scary situation. My wife's sense of humor is odd to say the least, and i think many of the jokes went over her head, but she enjoyed it.
"Looks like i picked wrong week to stop sniffing glue."

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My dads first name.

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Charlie Daniels opened for the Grateful Dead on 4/22/79, at Spartan Stadium. He also played on Bob Dylan's Nashville Skyline album.

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How much do you want to bet Dave messes with our expectations and chooses 7/14 or 7/15? :-) LOL

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Last year Dave’s #31 was announced on the 2nd Tuesday of July...7/16/19. So could we see the rollout for DaP 35 a week from tomorrow? Tomorrow never knows, as the song goes

Hoping to get mine too.. I've listened to the 2/21/71 Capitol show a couple times, but not in it's Full-Norman, Plangentized glory.

A quick sidebar, did a family camping trip at an isolated place in the mountains near home and felt a little pleasure using my WMD's hatchet cutting hickory just to fire the still (and feed the campfire). I needed one anyway, why not a high-end Swedish made mini-axe. A little pricey but not much (if any) more expensive than buying one of their standard, non WMD versions.. They seem to be quite well made. Yes, I know.. a little tacky my brother noticed and it cracked him up, to me it was worth it just for that. Something else to be made fun of during the holidays.

We should celebrate Working Mans Dead, a great album and the beginning of one of the greatest periods of Grateful Dead music. Consider me one of those that considers Dicks Picks 8 one of the greatest releases and among the best shows ever performed. 1970 was a peak year and I personally love the songwriting from that period. Classic Americana Grateful Dead.

Rant over, back to your regularly scheduled Day Job encore.

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*Listen back to Bob Dylan and The Grateful Dead’s mammoth 74 track rehearsal session, 1987!
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/bob-dylan-the-grateful-dead-rehearsal-sess…

https://archive.org/details/gd1987-06-01.sbd-rehearsals.fraser.97489.sh…

...I mentioned this when the ‘Giants’ Boxset was
first released. This is PRIMO! I Love it my brothers and sisters, PRIMO! ;) keep on truck’n & remember to Smile Smile Smile everyone because you love the Grateful Dead & the Grateful Dead Loves You!!! 🙏❤️💀🌹

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Like a lot of you i've been filling in some gaps in my library by picking up the re-released road trips from Real Gone Music. Oakland 1979 just landed so im taking it for a spin now. This one sounds great and is a nice companion to the recent Dave's from Uptown in Chicago a few weeks before. I have to say that the Road Trips sound quality is much better than the Uptown show and there seems to be more energy to this performance than Uptown.

Set 1 starts off with a 16 minute Sugaree. Set 1 is only 7 songs but there's some good playing. Second set starts off with a nice Alabama -> Greatest Story and im listening to a nice Terrapin -> Playing right now. Im glad i picked this one up.

Right on man.. it sounds great, it's one of the few Betty Boards from '79. That and Dicks Picks Picks 5, 12/26/79 are must haves and make great companions. When DiP 5 came out, on my first listen.. I was totally floored. 12/28 to my ears is not quite as good, but at a certain point we are splitting hairs. If it speaks to you, it's good.

Glad you got it or how does the saying go, so glad you made it....

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Charlie Daniels was a chauvinist and racist. I know I won't miss him. Good riddance!! He was nothing like Jerry.

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Picked up a used Dick's Pick No 8 today for $20 at my fave used bookshop in town today...also filled some gaps in my classical collection...I'm a cello buff so I got some goodies for $5 a pop....didn't have to spend any $$$ either... a friend who had lived here in the park for nearly 37 years moved to Prescott and left us a ton of books...we went through them, kept a bunch and took the rest to the bookstore where I got a couple of hundred bucks in trade credit...whee!!!!...and it's a celebration day as my Oncologist gave me the good to go (ten years cancer free now) so I think I'll order Dickus Pickus 33...now that was a great weekend even if we did nearly die on the way home going down Highway 99 ...ahhh youth and stupidity go hand in hand....

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Great News. And the DiP 8 score is great too.. perhaps the best of the best???

Billy & Jim...this one was a little nerve wracking to say the least...three weeks ago I got my annual C-Scan and was told there was something showing in one of the areas (aortic lymph nodes) that had been a problem in my original diagnosis...so I've been kinda going around the house hoping and hoping...today I had a pet scan done which showed no sign of any cancer...it was weird watching the scan on screen seeing my insides lit up like that....whew!!!

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forgive me if this has been mentioned already but there's a new Bear's Sonic Journal!!!! Commander Cody & His Lost Planet Airmen – Bear’s Sonic Journals: Found in the Ozone Live at The Family Dog...love me some Airmen

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Rock on brother! SO FINE to hear! You made my day and I'll be grinning for a while!

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Thanks for the info on Comander Cody, I'll go pick one of those up right now. Bear always puts out an excellent product.

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