Dave’s Picks Volume 34: Jai Alai Fronton, Miami, FL 6/23/74

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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May 19, 2020 - 4:29pm

#1231

icecrmcnkd

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DaP1 update

All 3 CD’s look fine and so far CD1 plays fine (currently on Peggy-O).

Playing on the same Onkyo I play all my CD’s on.
May 19, 2020 - 3:26pm

#1232

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

Cheaper materials, and less of them

Today’s CD’s are about half as thick as the ones from the 80’s. Less plastic, and maybe a thinner metal film where the data is stored. Less and/or lower quality top layer to hold the metal film down and you might get peeling.

CD-R’s these days are also thinner. But, my write failure rate is now <1% compared to 1998 when it was about 10%. I attribute that to better burners and blanks.

I’ve had the top layers of CD-R’s start to peel off, but that was after being in the car for 10 years.
The CD-R’s that I successfully burned in the late 90’s still play fine now (they were never stored in the car).

Haven’t checked any of my DaP’s yet, will report later.
May 19, 2020 - 3:04pm

#1233

wilfredtjones

Joined:
June 4, 2007

Sounds like Diginoise

DaP 3 Disc 2 Casey Jones and Johnny B. Goode. Last 2 tracks of the disc.

It's true that ever since Jim mentioned the Fiio X1 FLAC player 6 or some years ago (he probably doesn't remember that) that's what I've been using exclusively. Digital Files now, not the originals which are stored safely away. Very rare that I would experience a problem, except in the usual places. (Rocking the Cradle Glue comes to mind)
May 19, 2020 - 2:49pm

#1234

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

I can explain the CD weirdness easily....

....what year is it again? There ya go.
May 19, 2020 - 2:35pm

#1235

daverock

Joined:
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Strange turn of events

It seems a bit odd to me, too, that so many people are identifying degraded cds all at the same time. I wondered if people made copies of the original - or ripped them or whatever - played those, and have not looked at the originals for a few years. And now the word is out, they are checking them and finding out they have turned to dust.

Occasionally I play a cd, and it jumps on a track where it didn't before - I have no idea which ones it has happened on, though. I've got thousands stashed away. Actually, I can remember one Dead one that started malfunctioning uexpectedly-Dicks Picks 5. It was over 10 years ago, and I bought another copy second hand. I'm not going to sit here making copies of them all, or ripping them all, that's for sure!

Also I can't see Rhino replacing cds that were sent out 10 years ago. Or Dave Lemieux expressing any interest in the situation whatsoever.
May 19, 2020 - 2:15pm

#1236

wilfredtjones

Joined:
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hope you guys check out your cds

Because my DaP 3 Disc 1 has static and skipping on tracks 1 and 12 (first and last tracks on the disc). Bertha and Me and Bobby McGee respectively. Working on DaP 3 Disc 2 right now and I'm up to Deal with so far no problems.
May 19, 2020 - 1:54pm

#1237

carlo13

Joined:
April 26, 2017

Disks

I just can't see the physics in it. How could this be. I'm not saying I doubt anyone but how could something degrade sandwiched between 2 plastic coverings on the disk while in a dark protective case? Even 10 years is short for cds. I also think it's weird because no one said anything for a long time and there had to have been some deadheads listening to Daps 1,2 and 3 on a daily or weekly basis. I dont want anyone to think I'm calling them liars at all. It's just strange.
May 19, 2020 - 12:09pm

#1238

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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Cutting corners and no quality control

That’s been the Rhino business model for several years. That’s why they were making the CD’s in Mexico for a while. Recall that those releases constantly had defective discs.

And don’t fool yourself thinking that Rhino actually cares about you, they just want your money. Our purchasing of these releases is financing the digitization/Plangentization/Normanization of analog tape masters. Rhino/GD will still be bringing in revenue in the future from hi-res downloads/streaming long after our CD’s have deteriorated.
May 19, 2020 - 11:40am

#1239

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Re: conekid

On a couple of occasions I’ve only been able to get the disc to play on my oppo BR in real time to my Alessis masterlink 9600, like tape to tape back in the day....once on the 9600 I could make a disc that would then rip just fine.
Only a couple times, but a huge drag and waste of time..
EDIT: when I’ve done this I’ve akways gone digital out of the oppo into the 9600 to elimate 2 steps of conversion. I’ve actually made some killer transfers from DVDs to CD using this methodology. I often think these sound better then the CD versions because I think they keep more live ambient signal on the DVD mixes.
May 19, 2020 - 11:38am

#1240

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

Storage

Wilfred, Billy, that is disturbing to hear, neither of you sound like you are prone to mistreating your discs. I don't have the original issues for DaP 1-4, just copies so this doesn't affect me unless it spreads to other volumes, but consider me bummed on your behalf.

On a tangent, years ago I was at a friend's place, hanging out one afternoon the summer after my first year of college when I noticed that he had record albums scattered on the floor. I picked one up, The Doors Absolutely Live in fact, and said "Dave, man, you gotta take better care of your records, these are getting trashed, look at this." Dave looked at me, looked at the album and said "Oh, don't worry, that's yours, your brother loaned it to me."

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

Nappy/Bear’s Sonic Journals

NAPPYRAGS, so happy to hear your good news!! There’s so much cancer going on in my tiny circle of friends, it’s frightening. I’ve lost 1, another has months to live, and a 3rd is doing well. I love to hear good news!!
Also, thanks for the hot tip on Bear’s Sonic Journals. I’m on it!!
Lastly, I was going through and playing some Janis Joplin cds recently, and was quite surprised to see that the 1968 Carousel Ballroom show released in 2012 states at the top: Bear’s Sonic Journals Presents....so that’s yet ANOTHER B’s SJ to collect. It also comes with rather strange instructions on speaker placement to enhance your listening pleasure. Crappy cover art, but a nice photo in the gatefold.
Less than 48 hours to go, my skin’s getting clammy & I feel nauseous......

Sorry Billy but

I forgot to mention the Cody releases on the 24th of this month...

Nappy Rags/ Comander Cody

I bought two copies, one for me and one for my brother. July 24th is right around the corner, lots of great music coming soon, two Garcia# 14s , two WMD next week, and a Dave's Pick from 9/20/70 or 10/9/82 on August 1st. What a great time!

Cowbell = Dark Star

The Christopher Walken cowbell skit from SNL. Replace cowbell with Dark Star and that's where I'm at. I got a FEVER. And the only cure is more Dark Star. 8/30/69.

Nappy rags-congratulations !

You mentioning your scan reminds me of one I had done about 12 years ago. It was amazing looking on the screen - I never knew it, but it seems I have a psychedelic light show inside my body. And there was me thinking it was all in my mind.
Talking of cellos, 50 years after the event I got round to buying Mick Farren's "Mona (The Carnivorous Circus) last week. You wouldn't think a cello solo would fit on a version of Bo Diddley's Mona-and it doesn't! Sergeant Pepper had a lot to answer for. Still, its different, I'll give it that.

25 years ago today...

Long live the Grateful Dead

* New & more Grateful Dead!

FOR THE COMMITTED
AND THE CURIOUS
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Hosts Rich Mahan and Jesse Jarnow will take the lead, picking up special guests from the Dead universe along the way. Upcoming episodes will feature interviews with Dennis McNally, David Lemieux, David Nelson, Bill “Grateful Red” Walton and Trixie Garcia, amongst many others.
To celebrate the 50th anniversary of WORKINGMAN'S DEAD, we're kicking things off with an eight-episode arch that examines each song on the album individually.
May the long strange trip continue across the pod!

*** Nappy Rags-…

*** Nappy Rags-“Congratulations !” Always grateful to hear grateful news! Peace be with you my brother, have a grateful day filled with lot’s of Love & Laughter! God bless my man!
🙏❤️💀🌹

Nappyrags

Great, great news! You must of been freaking out waiting....had similar situation with the misses a couple years ago. In her case we wouldn’t know anything until after surgery, and then wait for lab results, which they weren’t sure about, so then on to mayo or other advanced labs......finally all was good, but my god I thought the poor gal was gonna croak just from the stress of waiting! I can’t imagine how difficult that must be?
Rock on brother, and enjoy those awesome new tunes!

25 years ago today...

IWT! Long live the GD! :-)

Liking this podcast dead.net....

....thanks. Grate news nappyrags!!! Good news these days is nice to hear. 25 years ago, the bus ran out of gas. Thank you Jerry.

Great news, Nappy!

But not good about Morricone. I think I have a disc of John Zorn playing the music of Morricone; I'll have to dig that out . . .

Finally got to the second half of 5/19/74 on a road trip this week. Wow. I had been underwhelmed by the non-Vancouver 1973 shows in that box, and was not thrilled by the 5/17/74 show or the terrible-sounding first disc of Portland, but the last two discs of Portland are very special, as all of you knew long ago . . . I already know about the 5/21/74 Playin'. That was the first show from the box I listened to, on its anniversary after the box came out.

Jim--no shame on the Workingman's axe! I just received my Garcia jigsaw puzzle. :)

WTJ & KCJ

WTJ: yassss, sad but true..say my last Garcia show 25 years ago today....😞

Hey, thanks for the McCoy Tyner tips. Ripped Inception/Reaching Forth, Tender Moments, The Real Mccoy, and Sahara yesterday, great stuff! Going to add one with Stanley Clark and Al Foster today...can’t believe I didn’t have any of him yet. Thanks for the tips!

KCJ: please check your PMs

Great News Nappy!

Congrats...Keep on truckin’ dude!!!

Jim and Billy

Thanks, cool you were there Billy. I'll have to check out Dicks Picks #5 Jim.

Hey OROBOROUS!!!!

Check out 1972's "Extensions" by McCoy Tyner....amazing, and one of my fave LP covers to boot....the band is kinda good too...

Alice Coltrane _ Harp
Wayne Shorter_Tenor Sax
Gary Bartz_Soprano & Alto Sax
Ron Carter_Bass
Elvin Jones_Drums

The band is kinda good too

Lol, yeah, that’s a hell of a line up! Thanks for the tip. I’ll have to snag it next go round.

China Cat Sunflower/I Know You Rider. 12/28/83. S.F.Civic

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NgjtIHDke9w Big fun! The Dead were rocking.

* podcast , Im lov’n it to the bones! 💀🌹

*June 25, 2020 - 3:26pm#207
LOVEMYGIRL
RE/ News
... I’ve been told to expect some news very shortly that will make ALL types of Grateful Dead fans, I promise you that! A magnitude
Of humanity back in business on both sides. Prepare for special treat my friends !
(This was the big news too. ) have a grateful day everyone! Be safe be kind & be grateful, we are the most spoiled fans in the world Dig it, far out! Keep on trucking all you Grateful Dead fans & freaks! 🙏❤️💀🌹

Dave’s 35

Just got the email that Dave’s 35 is going to be 4/20/84 at Philadelphia Civic Center. I thought Lovemygirl said it was going to be 6/20/80.

DaP 35

It’s not Alaska

1984--Nice!

I was hoping for an 80s or 90s show. Someone here the other day mentioned how much she/he likes this "Holiday" show from 1984.

4/20/84

Thank goodness for Dave's Picks. This announcement is some much needed good news in these times.

4/20 no doubt.

Alaska

Those shows deserve their own box. There's also that Gainesville show that pops up in discussion.

As big of a fan of Brent and that era, I'm happy with anything that comes out. I have nothing but time on my hands and looks to be the case through the foreseeable future.

#35 Yeah

I like the setlist. My copy is so so. I HAVE to believe an "official" copy will be better. I like the cover. Thought this be one me and mine were at, but we appeared to have got east and north this tour. Long Island and Rhode Island. Guess we took and Island tour that year.

Re: 4/20/84

What a surprise, this 1984 show has been on my radar for many many decades. There's a fantastic epic Scarlet > Fire, I used to have an audience version of this show and man The Crowd Goes absolutely berserk during that sequence. Very happy to have some more 1984 Dead.

Hope everyone is well.
Sixtus

Dave's 35

They must be saving 7/13/84 for a box set.

Oh well...DaP # 35

I'm a bit under whelmed by this show...we shall see...

In the corner stands a boxer . . .

From the Wikipedia page for the Philadelphia Civic Center:
"The Championship fight scene for Tommy 'the machine' Gun played by real life boxer Tommy Morrison for the 1990 movie Rocky V was shot there."

I think I've seen only the first Rocky film . . .

DaP 35!

Hey All! So I have been doing a trip into the summer of 1985 so this release slightly, I mean ever so slightly, disappointed me on the choice. Again this is only because I have been going through (and loving) the summer 85 tour so I had this hope that one of those shows may get to see the light of day for #35. Despite that, my disappointment is miniscule in comparison to my excitement. I am really looking forward to hearing this one. I am sure it will offer up some great jams.

I checked out the setlist for 4/20/84 over at Deadlists real quick and it looks pretty good. I am sure the playing is top notch. I can't help but express how much I like this variety of years/eras in the releases and such. Between the 1976 box set, the 3 Dave's Picks, the 2/21/71 show on Workingman's and then all of the later era great shows from the Shakedown stream there is so much goodness in all of this. Definitely, this goodness is needed now more than ever for a lot folks.

Plus it's crazy to think that we still have the 50th reissue of American Beauty, DaP 36, 30 Days of Dead and possibly another box all on the way. I thankful for all of this. Hats off to Dave L. and the crew !

Dave's 35

My 5th birthday! I was not one of those toddlers fortunate enough to have parents hip enough to bring me to a dead show. That would have been a cool 5th birthday present. Instead I probably got a He-Man or something. But i digress.

There's at least one good aud of this on the archive. How cool would it be if they did a matrix with the healy tapes and a good aud? The sound quality has been the main thing holding shows from this period back and it'd be nice to see them get creative with some sources, Dave's Pick #8 style.

4/20/84

Dooooaaaahhh, was at the 16 & 17th so missed it by that much! Have a tape of 4/21 but guessing since I don’t recall it I mighta been underwhelmed? But that’s the 21, sounds like the 20th is hot?

DAVES=Multiple years, for good or for I’ll, I also have appreciated the effort to mix it up and cover more years with Dave’s. If only we could get 1/60s, 1/70s, 1/80s, and a 90s a year. But don’t see that happening...
Hopefully at least 1 80s or 90s a year. I think it’s doable and fair.

EDIT: Matrix,...what Slow dog said!

Yahoo!!!

Excellent choice, Dave!!!

Doubters, doubt not. This is a gooooood choice.

I promoted it recently on this here site. Coincidence? Hmmm...

DaP 35

I was there on 20 April 1984 in the old Philly Civic Center and saw the Grateful Dead. All of 27 years of age, I don't remember too much of the show, but the audience tapes I have sound quite well, but somewhat obscures this fine performance.
Great Dew!

Also

The first Dave's picks versions of:

My Brother Esau
I Need A Miracle
Keep Your Day Job

I know how pumped everyone is for the first Dave Picks Era Day Job.

Where's Bolo24?

I have not been following the comments of the releases here on dead.net for a while. Just reading through these recent comments on this Dave's Picks 34, I have not seen anything from our friend, Bolo24? About when was the last time he (or she) posted?
Anybody ever meet up with Bolo24 beyond the dead.net messaging system? He generally used to give us some odd clues about what he thought the next release is or could be.
So where is Bolo24?

Keep Your Day Job

My favorite song. Yeah, sure. My favorite, totally pumped for this one.

Day Job

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I think Day Job is a really cool tune, I dig it!

I thought it was going to be 4/21...

...78. Totally capitalizing on the holiday here. Anyone do track timings? Any chance for filler? I hope they do something special (Matrix maybe?) Fingers crossed. Definitely a bold choice...

Slow Dog Noodle # 1 sense of humor

Slow Dog, you crack me up, you are really funny, what a great sense of humor! I' m still laughing about your story about dipping your whole body in hand sanitizer. Keep it comming, it's fantastic!

By the power of Gray Skull

He-Man!

Keep your day job till your night job pays...

I too like "Day Job"...lyrics are fun ....what I wasn't a big fan of was the use of "Don't Ease Me In" either as a 1st Set closer or encore...always thought it was kind of flat with no real oomph in the playing, nothing special...

Day Job & Ease Me

My touring partner used to called the blow job and don't sleaze me in. He wasn't a big fan :-)

At least kydj and demi are short-n-fast tunes

Unlike LLR....

- Snarky the Sailor

And...

Wasnt demi one of their first singles?

"Demi Moore
back in the day
mighty nice
hey hey hey"

- Lil CPAP

Look! Here comes Professor Vasdeferenz...

"Don't Ease Me In vass der firsht GD sinkle back in 1966"

Thank you, Professor.

Alaska

Ha.. false prophet my ass!

Taping Compendium on 4-20-84

Anyone who wants to get a preview of what our fearless leader Dave L. will be probably be saying next Thursday check out the Taping Compendium. Tom Ferraro has some pretty interesting verbiage on his take of 4/20/84 . Although I am very interested in firing up this show I think I will wait the few weeks for it to come out. I have a feeling we are going to be told not to get caught up in the setlist but for an "84 show" they were firing on all cylinders. We shall see.

On another note someone posted this HILARIOUS video montage of The Music Never Stopped and it was one of those days I needed a good laugh so if you are having one of those days here ya go....God I miss Jack Tripper
https://youtu.be/RHf6tiFkr2s

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