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    Well said Cosmic! After all the years of trying to get the highest generation tapes it is so amazing that we can now get the original recordings at the same quality as a first generation tape, all in the blink of an eye. Everyone, please don't convert back and forth from FLAC/WAV to MP3 and back again unless it is solely for your own personal use. When you do convertback and forth what goes missing is the high and low end range of the music. MP3 essentially chops off half the sound so it can compress the files and fit them onto your ipod, etc. The hardcore traders can analyze this and see that the dynamic range has been cut off. The reason all this works is because as we get older we lose the ability to hear some of that range, but simply put, the music isn't as pure as the day it was played anymore - you are only robbing yourself! I'm not trying to be a taper snob, I have been known to use MP3 to burn discs for long road trips, etc. Much easier to manage. But, when at home, it is FLAC all the way... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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    I don`t trade mp3 , just use it for my own personal . I prefer to store everything in shn/flac.(if it comes that way) plus shn/flac takes up less space on the old hard drive . Thank you for the imfo CB . Thank you too Hal .
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    you can have WAV discs with itunes
    Click Edit, then preferences, , then advanced, then importing, then on import using you can set on WAV encoder. I use Traders Litlle Helper and then burn discs using this method, also make sure and set for no gaps between songs. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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    If you get sent wav files on CD and want to make CD copies there is absolutely no need to convert them to MP3s and then back to wavs.There are plenty of programmes (such as EAC) that will just let you rip the files and then reburn them directly as wavs. The trading community strongly discourages (to say the least) converting wavs or flacs to MP3 and then converting back to wav and other formats. Why? Because people have gone to all the trouble to unearth and prepare digital copies of all these shows and to distribute them so that every copy is the same quality as the original (using lossless formats such as wav or flac). If you convert these to MP3s for your ipod that is fine, but there will be some loss of quality. If you then covert them back to wav (or flac) you lose even more quality. If you then trade those copies you are putting inferior quality versions of shows back into circulation. Having finally got the means to avoid the loss of quality across generations, we should all try to use it. Indeed the trading community also tries to discourage seeding shows saved as wavs. Ideally all trading would be from flac to flac. Similarly if you receive flacs you can either -copy the flacs to your hdd and play them using programme like foobar2000 -Convert them to wavs using traders little helper and then burn them onto CDs -Convert them to MP3s for use on ipods etc....but these should not be traded. It is best to keep a copy of the flacs to use for trading and as a back up. Then if you lose any shows you have an original quality back up standing by. You can see a better and brief explanation of this here http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=audio or visit the various forums in etree
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    i agree....
    for collection purposes I prefer FLAC but I always convert another copy to mp3 so i can load up a fatty disc chock full of dank shows and just groove all day without breaking the flow of energy by changing discs....kills the bzzzzzzzzzzz "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    in quality of sound . in fact I have some cd`s burned in data format where i have numerous shows burned on one disc .I used both windows media and i-tunes for that. one disc plays for hours, but only on my computer.mp3 discs only seem to play in select newer cd players.data discs only on the computer. but hey it sounds grate to my old ears . peace..
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    switch sound file converter trader'slittle helper FLAC Frontend "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    Is because when I get an audio CD vine, the easiest thing to do is rip it to iTunes. But you know, it then is converted to mp3. So I was wondering if folks then go through the hassle to convert back to wav when you want to burn yourself a CD? I actually do not like iTunes' CD burner so I use a different program. Anyways just thought I'd see what you all do out there in vine land.... "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    It said that it gave errors but it looks (sounds) like it worked to me?? I always wondered what the difference was between burning wav vs mp3 onto a CD?? I was under the impression that wav sounded better than mp3 (on a CD anyways)... but I am really not hearing a difference.. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    Have you try`d traders little helper ? I know I can convert wav to mp3 , that fits an entire show on one disc that way .
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Mon, 06/13/2011 - 16:50

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I am still around but I'm gonna sit back and relax a little, maybe sign up for a vine here or two. I have more stuff than I know what to do with. :-) Been busy on other projects. I'll be checkin in a few days a week.
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Submitted by zepthompson on Thu, 06/23/2011 - 21:24

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got this shn/flac business down pat.. haha need some pointers on making better copies of videos Nero? thanks to all my good friends here!!!
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Sat, 06/25/2011 - 07:46

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just posted. Sorry it took so long!
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Sat, 06/25/2011 - 13:26

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Thanks cosmicbadger for all that work!
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Submitted by Jake R on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 15:56

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Once I mail out Red Rocks 83 and Soldier Field 1995 that will be it for me for awhile. Kinda weird I'm leaving the vineyard seeding the last Grateful Dead show. However, there will be a few more vines coming out that I would have a part in but I will not be seeding. It is with great regret that I am removing myself from the vines I have just signed on. In addition. if there are any vines that I am on that get restarted, you can skip over my name or put me on the bottom of the list. I will be on an extended hiatus from the vineyard. Much thanks goes to Ltapilot, JackstrawfromColorado, stuman, and dstache to name a few of the actives here who have really done something amazing here. This is a great community with great ppl and great music. I'll check in once in awhile so I hope to see you guys around but until then, listen to the music play.
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Submitted by marye on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:18

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don't forget to come back after that hiatus! take care!
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:00

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Thanks for guiding me in the right direction here at the Vineyard. Hope to see you back soon
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Submitted by Ltapilot on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:20

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Drop on in and say hi every now and then.This place can be one more shining facet in a full and joyful life. Thanks for all you have done to keep the music going out to the community. We are all on the bus, just at different stations. Peace Rick Reach out your hand if your cup be empty If your cup is full may it be again
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Submitted by TheNuthatch on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 18:34

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Take care and be well. Thanks for all your great work here in the vineyard. It is much appreciated! Joe
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 05:26

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Don't disappear for good! I have found it harder and harder to make it on here myself. I am hoping to spread another vine or 2 before I ride off into the sun set. =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Submitted by Jake R on Fri, 07/01/2011 - 14:10

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Apparently any postage going to Canada is on hold since the post office is on strike. I guess this goes for outgoing mail as well. So the Furthur Fest 2010, Warfield 1980, and Garcia and Saunders 73 are stuck in the Terrapin State for a little while longer. Sorry for the delay.
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Fri, 07/01/2011 - 18:03

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I am burned out...but I am still here and check in once a day. I have accumulated so much "stuff" here thanks to everyone. From an organizational standpoint, I am completely disorganized and need to take a time out and burn some of this flac stuff to CDRs to listen to. I am still here, not just signing up for a lot of vines.
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Fri, 07/01/2011 - 18:13

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Hope you're having a grateful summer brother! Keep those flacs a burnin! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Submitted by PonchoBill on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 05:12

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The government has stepped in and ordered Canada Post to get back to work. I have received mail this week. If any vines are in the mail, there might be delays. But I will be prompt in turning them around. Sorry guys.
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Submitted by sportzfreak260 on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 15:57

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Thanks for taking the time to help me get started on here. Take care and I plan on being here for awhile, so cya when you get back!
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Tue, 07/05/2011 - 14:25

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Just a heads up. I was camping over the long weekend and got back earlier today, just to rush off to work. I had a couple pkgs in my mail I surmise to be vines. I will rip them tonight and do proper turnarounds tomorrow. I have the tivoli video ready to go to Zep and also a pkg ready for Decola. Thanks for your patience guys. Also, I extracted the Tivoli files, burned a DVD and included it in with the original files, so someone can now just copy DVD if they choose. Anyways, I'll make proper posts when things are in motion tomorrow. Thanks all!! Big ups to to the seeders of all these new vines!! Excited and appreciated
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Submitted by noonie on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 10:14

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Hey everyone i will be taking a break for awhile just getting busy around here and i am using any free time towards learning to tape shows... so maybe i can seed some next year...so long for now and THANKS to all who have expanded my collection of shows....hugs to all
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 10:32

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Are you gonna send out the vines you're sitting on like nov 72 and 3 from 75 before you hiatus? Good luck with taping. Bless the tapers!!
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 10:38

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Unless someone didn't post, noonie has parts 2 and 3 of the 1969 vine as well. I hope these get sent out before the self imposed hiatus as I have sent at least a few PM's checking on status of the 2 vines I follow him.
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Submitted by Jake R on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 07:27

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Canada has been receiving postage (as Poncho said) and I just sent mine off to him today.Furthur Fest 2010, Warfield 1980, and Garcia and Saunders are enroute to the Great White North today.
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Submitted by Jake R on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 07:42

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I know maustin has been on and off here as of late. He used to be a good viner and I remember months back weird things happened here in the vineyard. Birdsong had some issues come up and some vines were lost on him (if I remember correctly) which is very out of character for him. LIG71 showed up, signed up and disappeared again. Smileydave was put in the hospital and his nephew came onto post to let us know of it (I hope Dave is doing alright. Anyone heard from him?). Longrifle has a couple vines stuck on him and I know Canada had some postal issues but still let us know if you have any or passed them on. maustin started a couple of vines and then something happened with him too and now, as ADAWGWYO posted he posts once in while but no response to any pm's. I've sent him a couple and I've offered to send him his own copies of vines he has signed on so he won't hold them up and he has taken the offer for the 1972 vines I reseeded/started (with a little help from my friends) months ago now. He has responded semi-recentrly saying he is doing better but he doesn't say anything about the vines he has/will be receiving so idk whats up. All I can say is we had a similar issue before with vines being sent and no update as to of where there were sent to or whether they were received. So please for any vine pm the next in line (unless you know for sure they are active which I think we are down to around 10 ppl now) and the older vines that get reseeded pm anyone after you, whether or not they are active cause if enough time passes, some of us aquire copies through other means. Sorry for the long winded rant but I and other long time vineyard users have seen the same thing. This wasn't meant to blast anybody just provide a heads up of some ppl who may need to be dropped down on the list until they are ready to receive the vine.
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 08:44

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Hey Jake. Are you still going to leave for awhile? This summer I am swamped. I have been on other projects. I have been looking for bigfoot, doing a bunch of firearms youtube videos, and just all-around staying busy. But I am still here on the sideline.
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Submitted by Jake R on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 09:35

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I am still taking a break. I just have very lil free time now and tryin to smooth some things out before i go. Have a good summer everyone
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Sat, 07/09/2011 - 17:42

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But it is a hard message to get out to everyone so we'll always have these issues. Anyways ... hope everyone is having a grateful summer... =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Submitted by sportzfreak260 on Tue, 07/12/2011 - 12:14

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I will be out of town tomorrow through Sunday. I have 2-3 vines right now and should have the two more from ADAWGWYO by the time I get back that I will need to send out. I will get all of those copied and out very quickly when I return and if I have time I will get them out tomorrow before I leave. Anyway, just wanted to let you know you won't be hearing from me for about 5 days. Everyone have a great rest of the week and weekend!
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Thu, 07/21/2011 - 07:39

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I got an e-mail from deadnet about gathering of the vibes and somehow I clicked or did something, and I ended up at the Further page. I can't remember. Holy crap. I saw they are playing here, about 3 miles away next week so I just got a ticket for the lawn--not too expensive :-) . I have not followed Further, although I got some of their shows, so this was a huge shock. Glad I looked. Almost missed the bus.
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 07/21/2011 - 08:43

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there you go! have fun!!
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 07/21/2011 - 07:43

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take a few pictures and post 'em!
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Thu, 07/21/2011 - 09:24

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Dude what the heck you waiting for?? =) Get your butt on that Furthur bus man!! I bet you will be pleasently surprised. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Submitted by dstache on Fri, 07/29/2011 - 15:44

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There is a relatively new upgrade to 10/14/77, sbd.miller.110419, that I would very much like, if anyone has it. Also, the 77 megavine did not include 10/15/77. The best version looks like sbd.cotsman.19154 if anyone has that. My WAV copy isn't right; maybe it is the other version. PM me if you want to trade. Thanks!
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 13:53

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Lots of strange things going on with this web-site...can't log on, avatar gone, can't upload photos....can't send PMs.....etc I guess the folks at deadnet are doing upgrads or something
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Submitted by marye on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 14:34

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this too will pass, but it's happening for me too, if that's any consolation!
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Submitted by friscokid77 on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 08:08

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> Lots of strange things going on with this web-site...can't log on, avatar gone, can't > upload photos....can't send PMs.....etc Wow, what a relief. I thought it was just me. I can't log OUT, and I don't think I'm receiving all my PM's. Everyone's avatar is gone. Can't see any new posts in the Vineyard since the NY Eurotour a couple days ago. Hope I'm not holding anyone up. Peace, Chris
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Mon, 08/08/2011 - 10:57

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Whewww. Glad that's over. Well, I have some vines and I need to send some out and update. I put everything on hold until things got back on-line. Hope all is well and I'll get everything updated tonight when I get home from work. Peace
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Mon, 08/08/2011 - 11:55

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avatars gone....and I am now getting "thread subscription" sent to my e-mail. :-(
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Mon, 08/08/2011 - 13:53

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Ok. You can unsubscribe from the e-mail notitifications.... :-) I get "notified" from so many list I am on; I just don't need to be "notified" about posts here....however it may come in handy monitoring a vine..
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Submitted by JBH69Flyer on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 05:36

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Is there a way to turn off, or prevent, the new "improved" e-mail notifications? The "Unsubscribe" feature rarely works and usually results in an error message. Please advise! Best Wishes-Jimmy
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Submitted by JackstrawfromC… on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 07:47

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Or whatever they did really screwed this site up. "I won't take your life won't even take a limb just unload my shotgun and take a little skin"
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Submitted by stepineden72 on Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:04

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my first thought was, "they're doing a dry run for how they're going to handle the end of Aug. going into the E72 shipment." :-) :-) ;-)...... they better not!
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Submitted by JBH69Flyer on Fri, 08/12/2011 - 12:10

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Please fix the UNSUBSCRIBE feature in the "New, Improved, Annoying!" e-mail feature!! I really don't need my inbox clogged with every comment made on certain vines!! Best Wishes-Jimmy
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Submitted by marye on Fri, 08/12/2011 - 13:40

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we have stopped the onslaught on this. Sorry for the trouble.
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Submitted by stuman on Sun, 08/21/2011 - 06:28

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As I click on any forum topic or vine it opens in a new window ? It's never done this before,, could it be my phone ? Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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Submitted by Jake R on Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:29

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in the Some Missing Pieces of 1972 Vine thread but I'll post it here as well. There is a new aud tape of 6/17 that came to light in July of this year which is a vast improvement to the circulating copy and the COMPLETE show. The taper has sent it to Charlie Miller so he can work his magic on it. In the meantime check out the new aud here:http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-06-17.GratefulDead1972-06-17
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Submitted by dstache on Sun, 08/21/2011 - 19:20

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Would love to see it vined when Charlie releases it. Thanks!
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Submitted by Lopezz on Thu, 08/25/2011 - 05:29

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that copies of the 6-7-2011 Experiments at Talampais Research Institute are starting to circulate. The copy I have is ripped from a dvr, sounds good though.
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Submitted by sportzfreak260 on Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:10

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Hey all I have been a little behind the past month and haven't been quick to turn around some vines. I know I have the Clapton and bicentennial vines to go out tomorrow. Other than that I have about 20 vines that I believe no one has signed up for after me, so if I have one that you are waiting on please let me know. thanks and I appreciate everything everyone does on here!
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Submitted by stuman on Sun, 08/28/2011 - 14:30

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Hi everyone !! well after a year of being out on this big road i finally was able to get a brand new laptop ,, whoo hoo for me .. now im getting back up to where i was,, using my phone for a wifi hot spot im back to downloading and can get on dead.net more often,, hmm i think i smell a new vine from me in the near future .. bty im still out here on the road but whatever vines i sing up for will be handled just the same as they used to be..hope all is well on the east coast ,, take care folks !! Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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Submitted by Exploratory Da… on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 05:20

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Hey Stu. Stay safe and keep truckin
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Submitted by ADAWGWYO on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 20:10

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...not finding the most recent vinedex that Cosmic Badger did back in June?? His post is there, with nothing under it!?!?