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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #1281
    DeadVikes
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    Hey Bluecrow, not sure if we ever listened to this show from the Uptown Theater in Chicago, 11/18/78?
    I have it going now, sounding good so far. I still have 78 on my brain.

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    Oh, my. My 1973 homework is…

    Oh, my. My 1973 homework is cut out for me. A(nother) very weak period for me.

    What can I listen to immediately?*

    I can cue up 2/28, 3/24 (Oh yeah, that's a good one! Looks like I snagged a Betty reel before the dark times)... Heart marks from He's Gone all the way through Sing Me Back Home. Another in the first set for Playin', and 5 stars for the Loser that precedes it. Nothing else is marked, but a first set Stella Blue? Sure!

    Getting into summer/fall, 7/28, 7/31, 8/1, 9/8, 9/17, or 12/4 and I actually have Dicks Picks Vol. 1, for a change. lol :-)
    Some of those I really haven't listened to much. Roosevelt Stadium seems to have had some mojo, but I think I only listened to Jerry's birthday show for the first time last year, and then probably only once.

    *Btw, my Internet was down for 24hrs yesterday. First there was electrical work being done on the building, so no power from 9 to 5! Then, they managed to screw up the phone lines and couldn't get it fixed until well after 9am this morning. So glad I don't depend on Spotify! lol... or streaming from the Archive ;-)

    I had a taste of that mind bending Playin > Wharf Rat > Playin' from 6/8/74 last Sunday, which must be somewhere in the ballpark of the 73 scene we're about to get into. I can't even remember when that had been Pick of the Day.

    Sorry, my listening notes are now way out of sequence as I'm trying to keep pace.

    In the meantime I have been thoroughly obsessed with the 2/22/69 Dreambowl. That was a fantastic pic.
    It's almost been on repeat. Someone needs to make a meme with the (apparently) famous guy on TV getting more and more blown away in each picture. Cool. early '69 show... An acoustic set! ...Mountains of the Moon, too... Mountains of the Moon sequeing into an interplanetary Darks Star... back to back with The Other One!!!!! Mind blown.

    Whole show is excellent. Many many thanks for the "liberating" experience, too.

    Also, RE QC at Deadville... I discovered last year that nugs net has 16b441 downloads of a ton of official albums, some not even available for download here. Shipping kills me, so even though I love physical media, I go for data. Anyway, even some of the downloads have had some dodgy editing or sonic anomalies. I gave nugs a FYI, but they said that's how the data comes and they aren't cleared to mess with it.

    I had the 11/30/80 Fox Theater 2nd set in my music player while I was out yesterday. Lovely, lovely Ship of Fools. Brilliant Playin' into drums into, not quite space, it almost sounds pre-composed, but I kept hearing these Uncle John's Band hints, then it ended up being The Wheel and for a while I thought I was losing my mind, but then they finally get to UJB to close the show. Although I was listening while mainly focussed on work, there were a few points were I wondered if someone ought to make a loud noise because it seemed as if the band was about to doze off. Super mellow mood, which has its merits. Not knockin' a laid back show.

    The real revalation, though, was the 2/19/71 recommendation, which I finally listened through last night.

    2/18 will always be like a favorite sweater or comfort food. However, I can see why you might say the19th is stronger. The 18th is definitely a bit tentative by comparison, what with all of the new songs and Mickey leaving the band, it would be. Although the first part of the 19th didn't really jump out at me, possibly, psychologically, I could have been a bit standoff-ish knowing this show was challenging one of the most nostalgic tapes from my meagre old collection. However, right away it struck me how different the feeling of the new tunes were even though they had only debuted the night before.

    By the time they hit China/Rider on the 19th, though, they seem full of confidence and it sounds like they have found their feet with the new/old lineup. This tune is grooving hard.

    The main thing that struck me about this show was how much it is a Pigpen showcase. Pig is always on it, but the band is rockin' hard behind him on every number from the gritty It Hurts Me Too, to Good Lovin', and beyond. This may be the heaviest Easy Wind I've ever heard. It may be the somewhat gnarly sound quality of the Vadnais transferred audience reel that really adds a welcome taste of foreboding evil to all of Pigs tunes. Probably it's the comparatively sparse arrangements that allow the listener to take a quick breath and really find themselves inside the song. I don't know. Caveat: I did tweak the EQ a bit, but the jury is still out about whether my adjustments improved the sound or not. lol.

    Anyway, just wanted to get out that note about how f'n heavy the Pig tunes are on 2/19. Really felt it.

    Thanks again, everyone!

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    it had been a long time since I'd spun 2/22/69 from 30 trips. everything you'd expect from a show from that time. really enjoyed it and will revisit fairly soon as is my want with shows that tickle my fancy. thanks Doc! on a side note, the one technical difficulty with that listen is that there is something about those discs that my external disc drive (LG M-Disc) really didn't care for. at one point it flat out quit reading Disc 1, something I've never had happen, and while it didn't quit during Disc 2, at several points towards the end it made noises that I've never heard from it before that seemed like the electronic equivalent of an old man wheezing up a hill who was barely going to make it (or maybe not!) this isn't disc rot, its something in how the discs were manufactured i'm guessing. from time to time I've had various weird issues with playability of discs from the GD folks that I've never experienced with any other CDs I've bought. it's very odd. And on the QC issue, I recently pulled out a disc from the Giants box to play it for the first time and there was a big splotch of an opaque light gray liquid on the playing surface, sorta looked like white out except for the gray color. i have never seen anything like it CD-wise and i haven't the faintest idea what the hell it could be or how it could have gotten there. I have a CS request in with Dr. Rhino -we'll see what happens.

    DV - 4/24/78 (DaP 7) was a show that had never really resonated with me - not when it was first issued, and not on subsequent revisits. And I've really gotten into the other released shows from that tour, Nashville and William and Mary. Well, finally got my head properly calibrated and my ears on straight and had an excellent listen. And then I spun it again. Full speed ahead Spring '78 Jerry and the Wolf with that excellent Betty sound. Thank you for suggesting that one.

    Now on maybe my third run through past few days of 2/23/74 (DaP 42). It sounds freaking fantastic! All of it! Blowing my mind! Nothing left to do but smile smile smile!! (Yeah I'm really digging it.) Still haven't cued up the next night, cause I keep getting distracted by all the other good stuff. Maybe tomorrow.

    Gonna have to visit those shows from late February, that one from Austin and Doc's most recent POTD from the Family Dog.

    Take care folks. And great to hear from you Rocktihng!. Rock on!!

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    I’ve enjoyed them all so far DV, but maybe it’s me, some seem to sorta plod for a awhile before they pick up steam in the second set. Recordings were inconsistent too…but?…maybe it was me, as Jim just said so we’ll, sometimes set and setting can have as much influence as the music itself! I actually got to sit a relax and listen to most, a couple I had on while doing household stuff, but I don’t think thats it?
    I’ve always been a huge fan of fall/winter 73, one of my personal top tours, and I purposefully haven’t dug into summer 73 too much as you’d think we’d get some of those sooner than later, but until I got the spring 73 Dave’s, I knew nothing about that tour. 21 With 21, I was a tad nonplused at first, probably just hung up on no Dark Star or other head noise nonsense, but it’s grown on me a lot since. That whole jam sequence is superb, and I’ll take a HCSS anytime!
    16 is one of my favorite Dave’s, so much so I purchased a copy off the black market! 32s good, actually need to listen to that as I’m not as familiar as I should be. I haven’t gotten to Crotchfester or Bu faf a lo yet…
    Every show has a nice big jam sequence, many killer 73 Eyes, a couple ridiculous PITB, some good HCSS, and the Dark Stars and accompanying jams etc, so worth it even just to check those out. Sorry to be so vague but it’s all kinda a blur. As I say, all very similar: relaxed with mostly good playing, until the big jam goes through the roof, rinse and repeat…lol.
    So far, I think the February shows are a bit more to my liking?

    Spring 78: of the dozen and a half or so on this tour, I think I’ve hit 10 so far. Some of the Beatty’s are spectacular and this tour took me by surprise. Getting the big blown away surprise of 4/15 (DaP 37) opened up that flood gate as the only official release I have is 37. I had no clue about this tour before, so yeah, big surprise!
    Hoping Realgone spits out Dicks 18 and that I can get disc copies of the other 2 Dave’s as long/short I don’t do files…actually might try to get 15 off the black market as sometimes those aren’t too outrageously expensive. Didn’t get subs until 21, but since I have a few others, thinking someday I’ll try to get real copies of the few missing so I’ll have 13 onward, with hopefully copies of the rest. I have at least copies of all but 5.
    I still think, partly due to the fine Beatty’s that there’s a potential for a spring 78 box, but maybe not enough interest for that?
    Awright, gotta head to the mine, staycation is over for now : (

  • #1285
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    Hello, rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Family Dog At The Great Highway, February 28, 1970

    As a matter of self-preservation, a man needs good friends or ardent enemies, for the former instruct him and the latter take him to task……

    In November, we were teased with the Little Sadie and Black Peter, so we know that an excellent recording is in the vault. As far as early 1970 goes, the “big guns” of the Fillmores get most of the love, respect, and recognition, but this Family Dog run has some doggone good music!

    Call it a Lovelight sandwich, a grateful buffet with something for almost everybody. Electric/acoustic, grease, jams, old and new, all laid out as if on a platter. Dig in and enjoy!!!

    Those who have virtue always in their mouths, and neglect it in practice, are like a harp, which emits a sound pleasing to others, while itself is insensible of the music…..

    Rock on!

    Doc
    Most men are within a finger's breadth of being mad…..

  • #1286
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    Nashville v Normal

    mmmm..... I might have to compare and contrast. It went down in my ever changing mind that Normal was, well it has that Scarlet Fire & Terrapin into drumz.. but Nashville had a crisper sound and better separation between the instruments, plus a really good Peggy-O and Estimated Eyes. Both shows have a good Lovin', but full disclosure the Bobby GL's never did it for me, too formulaic and his rants did not come across as genuine as Pigs. So a little hotter v better sound. But don't consider this an analysis, my listens tend to be more influenced by focus and frankly my mood and receptiveness.

    I did both all 73 shows consecutively years ago and '78 through May.. but I am always doing stuff so I don't have the rabbit ears of OB and Rock Thing; their attention to detail is most appreciated and enjoyable to take in. Plus.. I'd gladly pay the price of an IMax theatre experience to listen to a show in casa Oroborous just to take in his personal, home edition Wall of Sound. I forked out big bucks 20 years ago for my system but it pales in comparison.

    As for March '73, I walked away big on Philly and Baltimore but Boston Garden did not register and in hindsight it's hot, hot, hot. When I weigh on a show, it's an opinion at a point of time that can be bribed by party favors and mood for the day. A mortal flaw.. first world problems.

    So I am to revisit 4/78. I think I need to work a little less and live a little more. I pulled down the new 2/17/73, that's on my list. I'd like to take in some Fall and Winter '73. A compare and contrast of the last two shows of the year perhaps.. Did Dick pick the right show for DiP1? Inquiring ears want to know.

    I'd like to contribute more.. but it's been a challenging year full of distractions. Summer is coming, so there's that.

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    You don't have #7 OB? We need to change that, I think you would really like this show.

    I will definitely go back and listen to #37 again. I know I had it up within the last couple of months.

    I did listen to #15 from Nashville over the weekend and I don't think Bob was happy with the first set, "That's it, we quit" Good show and the sound quality is as good as #7. Nice Estimated Eyes and Wharf Rat.

    Do you have any recommendations from your recent tour of March 73?

    I mean, this is a hot period. What a tour this is. More from this tour would be welcomed.

    Slow day on the site.

  • #1288
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    Continuing on with 73:
    3/16/73
    3/19/73
    3/21/73
    3/22/73
    2/22/69
    Plus miscellaneous spins of DaP 45
    Now playing 3/27/83, followed by 2/23/70.
    Don’t have Dave’s 7, one of 5 I don’t have copies of…
    Hmmm, that’s a bold statement DV as DaP 37 blew me away.
    Perhaps because I was not expecting it to be and sound as good as it was?
    Every show I’ve heard so far from this tour is good, highly recommend 4/11 and 4/16 too!

    Agree, like DaP 13 better than DaP 42.

  • #1289
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    Haven't listened to this show in a couple of years and wow, I think I like it even more now. A+ on sound quality and both sets deliver high energy Dead. Love the NFA, Black Peter, Around and Around and close it out with Werewolves of London. I went back and read the liner notes again and low and behold, they were written by Blair Jackson. Since I have 78 on my brain, I think I will check out Dave's 15 from 4/22 in Nashville. Of the three released from this time period 4/24 seems to be the top dog in my book. The William and Mary show is good, not great. On to Nashville.

    Hope you all have a great weekend.

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    You cats are already on to 1973. I'm still savoring the gentle respite in the oasis of Austin.

    Death don't have no mercy, but there's always time for lunch.
    Thanks for reminding me of LL. I need to see if I can get reinstated over there.

    Grateful Dead Live at The Auditorium, Austin, Tejas on 1970-02-23
    Harpur College was another of my heavy, heavy rotation tapes back in the day, along with the 2/18/71 Capitol Theater show I've already mentioned numerous times. Both were massive inspirations. For what seems in hindsight like a fairly significant period of time, if it wasn't one of those, it was Reckoning.

    I Know You Rider: Lovin' the energy and grit of this Rider. It's almost angst.

    High Time: This is a song! It's a pretty weird song, too, and after attempting it several times, myself, I must say it isn't surprising it wasn't played often. Damn, it's hard to sing. I submitted a completely deconstructed version of this for the February Dead Covers Project a few years back. I made a point of not revisiting to the original before recording, just going off memory and some notes left in an old binder of songs. I'm sure the ever-growing defenders of canon were thinking, "You ain't doin' it right if you ain't readin' it off a teleprompter." It was an "interpretation". Lol.

    Dire Wolf: What a lyric. An electric version, no less. Pretty mellow electric set, almost acoustic.

    Yellow Dog Joke… ah… well way to go for completely screwing up the joke, Bobby… actually, I'm not sure I've ever heard him make it all the way to the punch line. We should all heed Jerry's advice and "Don't encourage him." Everything was so light and positive in these days. Phil could be a bit surly, as we've already heard in this tape.

    Monkey and the Engineer: This was a standard in my old folk-rock duo. My partner played it and I just followed along. I'd have to start from scratch to figure out how to play it again. Such good stories in these tunes.

    Little Sadie: Nice. This wasn't on the Harpur College tape or Reckoning. Another dark story. I don't see how they could possibly be breaking strings playing such gentle music.

    Me and My Uncle: I don't recall hearing an acoustic version. It's a great song and works in any format. At this point everyone hadn't already heard it a million times. Imagine that!

    Black Peter: One of my favourite tunes ever. Doesn't get much darker than a song from the point of view of a death bed. Started doing this one myself occasionally a few years ago, but I always need a cheat sheet for the bridge. Nothing repeats. There are some interesting mnemonic connections between the chords and the words that help. Just have to sit down and do my homework. Ahh… yeah, Pig sittin' in nicely on the organ. This song needs a really delicate hand, but the organ adds a nice little gospel flavour. If only Pig coulda added just a touch more flair to his playing to fill in some lines before Jerry takes his solo. Pig's got the tone.

    Seasons of the Heart: Never heard this before. Great pick! Thanks.

    Uncle Johns: Have heard this one a few times. 😉

    Not Fade Away: I'm gonna call the union! The Galactic Rock'n'Roll Union! That needs to be a band name, or a song, or something! Crazy to think this tune was in their set their entire career. Some good ol' primal energy here. Jerry's "wild" tone. He must've had the amplifier turned WAY up, cause it sounds like he's not in the mix at all. His guitar is just being picked up by a vocal mic, or something. Basically, no drums, either. I can't keep track of which guitars he was playing in the early years. He seemed to play whatever was available after giving up the Starfire. Sounds kind of like a Stratocaster, The Graham Nash Strat, perhaps? Alligator did not come on the scene until later, if I recall correctly. This tone has even more of a stereotypical Stratocaster sound than Alligator, which retained very little Fender electronics by the time it gets heard on Europe '72. Anyone? Oh, cool call and response with Pig. TC has already left at this point? I need to get my timelines straight. Bobby diggin' in with some soulfully aggressive singing, rather than simply aggressive.

    Mason's Children: I can't recall ever hearing this, either. The name comes up often, but it's not on anything I've listened to regularly. Again, thanks for this pick! As you say, not exactly high-energy stuff, but some very rare pieces here. Always appreciate the chance to learn something new about this fascinating family.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 07/15/2020 - 18:30

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When I said Shoreline 5/10/91, I meant the whole run, three shows. Aren't we doing three show runs in a single day?

I'm quite sure Brewer can keep up.

At least until we run out of three show runs. Then we move on to four show runs.

I cannot compete with a Moose. They look nice and peaceful, but like a hippo.. once you get too close they are mean as hell. Beware the Moose. Quite the cool story, Oro. I love Moose. The first time I stumbled into Jackson Hole.. I heard dead music coming from this bar, so the three of us ventured.. there was a dead cover band playing in the Mangy Moose. Pure coincidence, a hand grabbed me on my shoulder and it was a good friend from college that didn't finish and went out West to live.. This was ~30+ years ago and we were on a climbing trip.. we stayed up late, woke up at 4:00 anyway and climbed the middle Teton in the morning, getting back to a car at the bottom at 10:00 pm with a dead battery. ..but it was a stick, so we push started and found a place open that sold burritos and beer to finish the night.

So I have a soft spot for Moose's. My friend, Marty, an avid deadhead styled us for the weekend. I have seen Moose perhaps a dozen times, but that's the best Moose story I have in me.

How’s bout y’all turn me on to some 77 I haven’t heard.....so probably anything that’s not an official release.....OR!
Perhaps the whole show from 5/22/77 DP 3.....never heard the whole show in sequence etc, OR???.....
I have about 15 minutes to download, so chop chop, lol, just kidding!

EDIT: DV, born in Conn, 30+ years on NYS west coast, rest in CO...
But I’ve been to 46 states, including the great state of Miny- Soda....did a gig at the caboose! Big fun.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:17

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I know, I’ve never heard the whole show from 3/18/77! Yeah, that’s it, I’m calling it 3/18/77.
See ya on the other side....

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Submitted by Gollum on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:38

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This looks good! I haven't heard this one. Another 20 min NFA?! - sign me up.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:44

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....good morning/Day everyone, , Im stuck! Is not fun at all, but I play my dead music & start to feeel alive ! todays pick ; in infamous 9/15-16/78 ‘“Egyptian magician”performances of 1978 Grateful Dead at one of their greatest Peeks era in the bands History t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 07:47

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Let's do it. Another 77? Okay.

Oroborous, the boozer. That is great! Haven't been there in years.

The site was not working last night, no idea what was going on but when I tried to post a comment, my avatar switched to yours Oroborous. Then it would say access denied. Weird.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 08:16

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Nice, Love this one!

David Gans turned me on to this in '88 and it's always been a favorite ever since.

Glad I wasn't the only one having issues with the site last night, I thought I broke it :)

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 08:53

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I run the server for Dead.net, and was at work when Jim exploded my head with his "three shows per day" comment. What's left of my brains flew into the works and gummed it up pretty good.

Oro--The Cabooze? No way. What was your band's name? I used to practically LIVE at the Cabooze back in the day . . .

Speaking of live music, Vikes, are you going to Utepils this weekend for all the socially-distanced, live Dylan/Dead music? I'll be there Saturday if you want to meet in person.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 09:30

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Caboooze, must of been winter/spring of 96?
Was doing Merch on Band Tour. Remember Danko couldn’t get enough of the ribs, lol.
Stayed downtown somewhere? Lots of glass walkways and I believe the hotel accessed a mall?
Being on tour and years ago its mostly a blur, but remember everything was great until the Band, probably Levon, suddenly ended the show, which unfortunately they would do occasionally in those days, and the crowd was not happy! Lol.

Another good Moose story: so my old work partner and I are up working in Mountain Star, another private development on the other side of the valley from Beaver Creek, (sick views) and we step outside to burn one on the back patio. All of a sudden a big Cow Moose comes around the house walking down the sidewalk right towards us! Luckily she wasn’t in a hurry so we just stepped inside and watched her graze from less than 10 feet. Indescribable being that close to a big wild animal like that. It amazes me more folks don’t get stomped as they hang out a lot right in Vail by the river a lot and the tourons always try to get too close... you do not want to piss off a Moose!

NET GLITCH; yeah that was weird last night. Tried posting here twice (reason for 2 below) and nothing...went to DaP 34 board and got to post, but when I tried to edit, nothing.....today of course all my nonsense is posted, lol....
Here I was thinking I got banned or something....glad it wasn’t just me!

Ok, on to the one and only Alahambra. Wish they would of worked that out and played it!

Hey Deadheadbrewer,

Unfortunately, no I wouldn't be heading over to that event, but it sounds like fun.

Let us know how it goes, thanks man!

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 11:03

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I didn't know you were talking about THE Band!

I had tickets to see them at the Cabooze in early '94(?). The the show was cancelled, and then I moved to Colorado for four years shortly thereafter.

So you experienced the Saint Paul/Minneapolis skyway system. Those were built so that we don't have to walk outside in the winter! :) There are tunnels all over underneath the U of MN campus for the same reason.

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 11:39

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I know a good many of you totally HATE mp3 by the vicious PM's threats I get telling me to watch my digital collection's back! :-)

To those that use mp3 regularly on a dos based computer.

When you open a folder, say, Jerry's Greatest Hits. When the folder opens, bam, all the file names are there AND the mp3 info. This happens in about a millisecond. BUT, sometimes you open a folder and bam, the files names instantly appear, but the mp3 info can take 20 seconds to fill in AND it usually doesn't happen in file name order.

I have investigated this for a while, maybe have an answer, might want more insight.

I have noticed that WHERE the mp3 header record is written matters. "Quick" filling tags have a header record location less than 8,000. "Slow" filling,,, seem to be in the 10 million mark.

To me this suggest WHEN the record is written to the file. If you assemble all the info before writing and know the spec, you can write early in the file. If you write music and assemble info while writing the writing of header will be at end of file (which is why they don't open up in filename order, I think they are opening in file length order)

Any programmers out there who KNOW?

Thanks to all, sorry for the non dead question.

BUT THIS COULD EFFECT US ALL!!!!!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 11:58

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My cousin worked a long time for NFA graphics before moving to Boulder and opening Encore Embroidery. They always needed reliable road help so my cousin threw me some work every now and again (mostly in or between collage and grad school).
I mostly worked with the 90s version of The Band and Ziggy Marley and the Melody Makers. I did Further Festival 96 from Pittsburg on till the end in Phoenix I believe it was? Which was grueling! Also Woodstock 94, and though I didn’t work at 7/8&9/95, we did get in via our connections and we’re able to stand onstage for the Bands sets. Of course as soon as they finished they shooed us off. Cool part was everyone but JG was onstage checking out the Band, with Weir literally standing right behind us on stage right. Didn’t talk to him though as the crew didn’t seem to thrilled with all these Band folks on THEIR stage to begin with, so didn’t want to take a chance riling anybody up etc...
My cousin did tons of Dead shows over the years and did get to hang out many times, so has some good stories.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 17:48

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This Winterland 3 night run of ‘77 would be a good Candidate for the 3 show format, spread over 3 days of course.

3/18 is HOT!
3/19 possibly hotter?

Might have to find out!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 18:55

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Great show, but what did you all expect, it is 77!

First show since San Diego and you can hear the changes. Really like the Sugaree, it is different and flows nicely. First Scarlet-Fire. Man, does this let loose soon after.
First and last Terrapin Flyer? Pretty cool. Love the ULB finish. SBD is not the best I have heard but it is solid. Maybe a B+ to A-.

More 77 for tomorrow?? I was hoping we would continue on with that last night at Shoreline in May 91. Is that the 5/12/91 show?
Either way, we can't lose.

That is cool stuff Oroborous, sounds like you got to see and do some fun stuff music wise.

By the way, I am looking for a physical copy of the 91 30 trips show if anyone out there had any extras. I have a copy, but really need the real thing now.

Be well folks.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 19:03

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I'm surprised you didn't go anniversary 7/17/89 Alpine Valley........ The return of We bid you Goodnight...... I was there for all 3 nights....... that first night was perfect, and then the rain showed up!!! Can't go wrong with any Winterland show especially from one of the 3 77 runs...... have a good night.... Pretty sure my Capital Theatre disc is showing up tomorrow here in Rhode Island..... bob t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 19:42

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Hey Bob T, that is a fine idea. Are there good sources for the 89 Alpine shows? I know the 88 recordings are not the best.

I was there with you Bob T. Yes, I remember the rain that year. Their last shows at Alpine. My last Dead shows before I started college. 31 years ago.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 07/16/2020 - 21:00

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Yes awesome boards are on archive..... I was a stage ahead of you, I was starting grad school the next month!!! I hear you about the 88 show quality!!! The summer it never rained!!!!! bob t

That’s a sweet run of shows for sure.

Quality SBDs = nice summer time pick.

Plus a 31 year anniversary to boot.

It’s nice to spend a few days on those ;)

Some great reviews in the taper’s compendium that make nice liner note material as well.

Good stuff!

89 was a great year for Alpine Valley.

They know they have to do something about these shows... eventually. I'd like to see video/audio releases of the whole run, but perhaps I am in the minority.

So today's pick is the whole three show '89 run? Just want to get this right so Brewer can start on this nice and early.
I like this three run show per day plan. It's working out quite nicely.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 05:56

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7/17/89 Alpine it is!

Yes Jim, I would love to see these three nights released with video. It would be sweet.

Who knows if it will ever happen.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 09:02

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Scooby roooooo! Woof, woof, woof! So all three today.....just kidding!
Yeah, why the hell aren’t these out? Actually though, I think I’d prefer a fall box, but these would be a close second.
You’d think they would have run Downhill from Here for SS tonight but so far Dave hasn’t ever gone the anniversary route with anything, except the 50th releases.

So a little story, sorry, probably told in the past?
I went with my cousin Pumas but we could only catch the first 2 shows as he had to be to his recently new respectable upstanding like job. So we go in his brand spanking new Pontiac grand am I think it was (Me driving because I was the driver in those days) .....and our plan was to go commando, no not that, get your head outta the gutter! Meaning no tents or nothing besides basic essentials. Probably toiletries (sorry, never was into the whole no bathing thing), a large cooler, BEER, duh!, probably some vitamins and basic breakfast stuff and some snacks, rain gear and some clothes, oh yeah, and party favors, but not sure there comparatively was much of that as he didn’t do much anymore and I was cutting waaaayyyy back in those days...(I’m sure I still had more than enough). That may still sound like a lot of stuff for some folks, but compared to what all I had in my truck of the big 73 LTD back in 87, this was nothing! (Including my golf clubs which literally kept me out of jail that year!), but I digress..
Anyway, the second day we decide to go eat and find a hose to rinse off etc and so as we’re leaving we’re stopped at the entrance behind this tiny car just packed with heads, like they were literally sticking out the windows, the sun roof, and someone was in the trunk! Oh, and to set the stage: there were donut eaters hanging everywhere by this entrance, and occasionally one would direct traffic....so this gal try’s to pull out a few times but no go. Meanwhile the cops are laughing and checking these clowns out. Us, were just sitting there waiting for these idiots to pull the fug out.....so finally she starts to pull out, but then abruptly stops then backs up again?? Whaaaa? Then, next chance she gets she guns it only she’s still in reverse!...........BAAAMMM......right into my cousins new car, Doooaaahhh!
Now, as the cops put down their coffee and Bismarck’s, and start to come over, several things are going through this ole boys head: shit, do I still have drugs in my pocket?..., am I already legally intoxicated, do I look like it etc.....
Poor Pumas, didn’t say too much (he usually doesn’t that’s partially why we call him Pumas), but you can tell he’s pissed and flipping out inside. Well tragedy was narrowly averted once again as the cops told us both to get outta the way and then proceeded to go to town on the poor freaks in the clown car, though even the cops were laughing at how many people piled out. They totally left us alone, Pumas did a quick info swap with the gal, luckily only minor superficial damage to his car, and we were outta there relatively quick. The other car not so good....
As we were leaving they were starting to search their car and line em all up.......
I don’t know what it was about Alpine, but almost every time I went, something crazy, spontaneous, and potentially liberty suspending would occur to me. But just as unusual was how tragedy was averted and your boy stayed free. But those are stories for another time....
So 7/17/89 today sounds awesome for a Friday, oh, and how’s bout that 3/18/77 pick yesterday, “huh, huh, who wants a Fresca?” Only had background listening going on, but yeah, neat little show. Y’all hit the high points so I won’t, except to say how much I wish they would of worked up that Alhambra bridge into the song. It sounded like Phil and the drummers were raring to go, and Bob follows, but JG obviously didn’t want to really go there so didn’t! I’m sure that’s a tough passage for him to play, but still, sigh, yet another of the most cool things they did in the studio, but not so much, or ever, live....a good portion of Blues For Allah album comes to mind! Well, glad y’all enjoyed that one. Doesn’t seem to show up on the radar. Which given it follows Cow Palace and Swing, and has to compete with the rest of the auspicious year is not surprising. Ok, have to git er done, but at least I’ll have some killer 89 to lighten the load,
Ciao

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 14:49

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Ok I'm Biased since i was there.... I'm already on the Uncle John's Band on set II.... First set makes me wish that they didn't drop Built to Last and When Push Comes to Shove so fast.... Me and My Uncle into Cumberland.... extra bonus... I'll stop there since I will say all the songs were good, and I said I wasn't going to be biased. 10 Song first set, 5 songs before drums..... 4 songs after space and 2 encores........ they seemed in no hurry (A little different the next night on 7/18/89).... Looking forward to 7/8/90 concert tonight!!!! Bob t

....been waaaaaay too long since i've checked out this show. It's a keeper.
Also, shipping notice for GarciaLive 14 just hit my inbox.

Great call Bob t and yes the SBD is awesome. It is great and brings backs tons of memories. How about that Cumberland? Just finished the first set. Man, can we go back?

Great stuff Oroborous!

Second set later and the two song encore was top stuff.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 07/17/2020 - 17:17

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....I can't stay here much longer, Melinda
The sun is getting high
I can't help you with your troubles
If you won't help with mine
I gotta get down
I gotta get down
Gotta get down to the mine
You keep me up just one more night
I can't stop here no more
Little Ben clock says quarter to eight
You kept me up till four
I gotta get down
I gotta get down
Or I can't work there no more
Lotta poor man make a five dollar bill
Will keep him happy all the time
Some other fellow's making nothing at all
And you can hear him cry
Can I go, buddy, can I go down
Take your shift at the mine
Gotta get down to the Cumberland mine
Gotta get down to the Cumberland mine
That's where I mainly spend my time
Make good money, five dollars a day
If I made any more I might move away
Lotta poor man got the Cumberland Blues
He can't win for losing
Lotta poor man got to walk the line
Just to pay his union dues
I don't know now, I just don't know
If I'm coming back again
I don't know now, I just don't know
If I'm coming back again
I don't know now, I just don't know
If I'm coming back again.

Yeah. It's kinda like that.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 15:26

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Should we keep this party going with 7/18/89 of the Alpine run?

I am I going to check it out.

Stay well folks.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 15:39

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.....guess i forgot to mention 7.18.89 for today. I'm at Eyes already. My bad, people.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 16:23

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A sibling's birthday show. My sister was born on 7-18, about 40 miles from East Troy :-)

Happy Birthday, Jen! Love you! :-)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 17:19

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Sounding pretty sweet so far. The mind is spinning. I distinctly remember the Scarlet, minus the fire from this show. Really enjoying these shows. We are a lucky brunch to have all this unbelievable music.
Nice Wilfred. I love this part of WI.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 07/18/2020 - 19:23

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Got a PM from Brewer. He suggested we do the whole 87 MSG run tomorrow since he has off work.

A meager five shows. Apparently it's Mrs. Brewers favorite year. Seems reasonable to me.

Edit: I thought we did all three Alpine shows yesterday.

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 13:27

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Off the top of my head, Alpine Valley 1989.... Deer Creek 1990, and Selland Arena 1974... P.S. The 6/10/73 RFK show was on Sirius today... started at noon and was still on at 4!!!!! Bob t

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 14:10

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Also my favorite Desolation Row, with Jerry hitting back ups at the perfect time!!! Good Althea and Sugaree also... Rained the whole day on the 19th!!!!!! bob t

I cheated and did Downhill from Here DVD on Friday night, then played VV 1 DVD.
Yesterday did first listen of WMD/2/21 etc,
So though the natural thing would be all in on Alpine...I think I’m going to get bogged down with this release, a few more good spins of 34 and then 35. But that’s at home, at work I’ll be looking forward to more off the grid shows from the archive etc, or what ever you nice folks decide...
So, yeah, I’ve always felt Alpine 89 and 7/17 especially were personal top picks, but haven’t heard in a while...probably since last year lol, so was surprisingly blown away, again, at just how great this show is! The whole weekend really deserves some kind of upgraded release. And like brother Hendrix freak with fall 72, i ain’t shuttin’ up about fall 89 until it happens.....more killer multi-track anyone?
Ok, time to stir the pot, what do you think is better: a good 2 track Beatty board, or a multi-track of other origins....answer....a multi-track Beatty 😉 (cue rim shot)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 14:55

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Let's finish this out with the wonderful 7/19/89! Thanks for the memories.
And Vguy are you buying brunch?
Yes, okay should have been bunch.

Oroborous, yes, there are tons of great multi track shows left and would love to see more fall 89 released. We have some. After listening to these great summer 89 shows, man, let's get these out.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 15:55

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I haven’t been keeping up with the daily picks, but I did just jump onboard today’s fine selection and started playing the 7-19-89 dvd-r.
I was able to get Set 2 on VHS in the late 90’s, and it was grainy but a great companion to Downhill From Here.
7-17-89 was my second show but like a foolish youngster I didn’t know that I was supposed to go every show in a run.

I have sort of given up hope for 2020. 2021 anyone?

Missed out on today's pick, which saddens me somewhat. But we did get an ok Desolation Row last week, so that sort of balances things out. Had a great day, which adds just enough yang to counter the ying.

I guess that's the best we can do somedays, which is exactly just good enough to make the world spin.