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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • DeadVikes
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    Firstshow. Betty

    Firstshow, I believe she left the band in the early eighties after a relationship with Brent that went bad. She fell on rough times and had some of her recordings and Rex's recordings in a storage locker. She could no longer afford the rent and the locker was sold off to three different parties. I thought it was actually in 1986 before Jerry's coma. Anyway, she informed the band about her situation and the music in the locker. They did not act. At the time, I don't think they saw the value.

    I believe Dave has written about the returned reels in the Summer 78 Box and a couple of Dave's Picks.
    Also, there are a couple of good articles out there on the Betty Boards and ABCD LLC and their quest to return the reels to the band.
    I believe Dave's #21 was the first release from the returned reels and the 78 Box was the first box set from the returned reels.

    Oh, and wasn't that your first show?

    Edit. The write up from Dave on the reels was included in the GSTL Box, not the July 78 Box.

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    Just read the rob eaton story

    about how these tapes came back. ( Dead Essays 3-26-72 from deadessays dot blogspot) Very interesting and a tidbit of copyright law that allowed him to get them back where they belonged. The guy who had them wanted a million dollars and the office basically told him to eff himself. He owned the physical tapes but not the music on them. So Dick's 30 and Dave's 14 + bonus disc it is. (and bonus disc for Rockin' The Rhein if I have it) Thanks Doc.
    Cheers

    Edit: so now I want to find out how/why the Bettys came to auction in 1986 in various lots. Was she gone by then? Why wouldn't she have gotten these back to the band? And interesting to hear a good portion of this lot was JGB and Saunders and some Jerry and Howard Wales too.

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    Mornin’, rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Academy Of Music March 26 1972

    Yes, I know this was briefly discussed recently, but I compose these things well in advance, so here we are……

    Back in the day, in the crazy daze of tape trading, there were no commonly circulating soundboards of this run yet. It was rumored that they weren’t recorded, there was a flood in the vault, perhaps the building had been struck by lightning. Our audience recordings---much like the Port Chester 71 run----varied from borderline listenable to truly wretched. We dreamed of better quality………

    Well, apparently, maybe they had been there after all, well guarded, well protected, top secret material. The official releases started in 2003----can you believe it’s been nearly twenty years already?---and were a revelation. While perhaps not up to the creamy scorching brilliance of the E72 tour, the entire AOM run is excellent in it’s own way, looser perhaps, but all worthy!

    I always wondered what exactly was the AOM run? Open, paid rehearsals? A tune-up for the European tour? A week long musical party to pay for their fun across the pond?

    The March 26 show was released in 2015, and while appearing “standard on paper” does have a good mix of grease, jamming, and rock and roll. What more could one expect of the Dead at that time? Absolutely worthy of a revisit!!

    The past is the beginning of the beginning and all that is and has been is but the twilight of the dawn……

    Rock on!

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    Thoughts Part I - Not sure if i ever listened to Set I, but Set II caught my attention many years ago. In part because of the obvious set list weirdness (thumbing through Deadbase) and as part of that set list weirdness the first Jack-a-Roe after the initial handful in Spring '77 (previous 6/7/77) (Jack-a-Roe can be my Cumberland) - its the only one in '78, before being brought back in rotation final month and a half of Godchaux era from 1/7 to 2/17/79. So, as Oro mentions, the word from Healy to a head was that Bob was "sick as a dog" (see IA), so not on stage beginning Set II but, trooper that he is, does make it back. Sounds like Jerry was going to open set with Shakedown but given circumstances slowly leans into what could easily be a jam out of Playing. Pretty freaking cool.

    [Edit] - Thoughts Part 2 - What a unique and amazing Set II. Total "Wow". As Inspector Clue notes, despite an eyewitness account, Bobby is back on stage for Jack-a-Roe and rest of set. The intro and outro to World to Give are otherworldly haunting and gorgeous. In that way they remind me of the atmosphere of Days Between. I think Jerry struggles on some high end vocals, maybe that's why the song didn't last. On the outro Bob's not so much playing slide but making whale calls and it sounds fantastic and beautiful. Tough to have the board cut during the Playing reprise because that Reprise is a beauty but being in the audience from there on out its clear that its a big old party and the Around and Around is a full on swinging-from-the chandeliers closer. Maybe, just maybe, the end of Set II was in fact recorded at the board, we can only hope. Would love to have Set II released.

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    Many people discovered Chuck Berry through listening to The Dead. The Stones served the same function in England.

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    Wanted to hear that third IIHTWTG so I went to the Bertrando/Sacks that starts at the post-Supplication Jam which without it's connection was fairly hard to guess but it sounds like Jerry was just noodling and trying to get to Playin' already. Then Drums into more pre-Playin' then shuffles right into a good Jack-a-roe. Playin' starts for real and abruptly shifts to a bouncy and funky Shakedown and has the crowd clapping along in time. Slow shift to the IIHTWTG with an almost silent (confused or maybe just respectful?) crowd. Fairly different from the debut which was as-written-clean (was this ever on a studio album?) including Bob adding some slide that turns into whale song (Jim, the gift that keeps on giving, lol) while Jerry fans the ending. Tough song to sing with lots of chord changes. Maybe that's why it was dropped? Then Playin' reprise with Bob trying to go elsewhere, but settles nicely before the slam into Around & A.
    Glad I got to hear this and thanks to Oro. Will try that 11-21-78 on your recommendation.
    Cheers
    Edit: Duh, of course! IIHTWTG was on the Shakedown album. There's a ut-oob of the Cleveland IIHTWTG with good sound but no video. Lots of interesting comments there. Lots of love for this song. One guy suggests this was a tough one to sing as it stretched Jerry's vocal range a bit. Same guy has a great detailed logical argument for why they dropped Cosmic Charlie, well reasoned. Another poster said this was their wedding song - cool! Another said it was a dedication from her hubby who has passed on. And a strange number of people said they liked/loved Bob's slide on this. No accounting for taste I guess. Oh and one said Bob had issues at start of second set which may explain some of that weirdness with the "Jams". (as Oro has already documented in his review a few posts back)
    Doc, you know what happens when the going gets weird. If not see Hunter Thompson.

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    Miller 95660, it’s an SB, but it has flaws and several patches. I didn’t mess with the others…
    11/21/78: went with Carpenter SB, recording overall better than 11/20, still has some patches.
    11/21 is a hot show! Only hiccup I recall is Black Pete…hell did they ever play bad in Ra cha cha?
    78 nuts will want to hear 11/21 and at least the Playin Sandwich from 11/20!

    December 73. What a month!
    Not sure about 1985 1st show. With no net, Deadbase etc, all we were focused on was trying to get to as many shows as practical, and hopefully later getting tapes of those shows. Never dreamed of the riches that have been mined since!
    Years later when I did start to consider these things, besides shows we were at it was all about those magic last ten shows of 73, featuring just the guys.

    3/24/71: I like 1971, but sorry, just did like 96% of 71 last year so not ready for rehash yet. I will say I really enjoyed this show though.
    That JBG off of Skullfuck was the lightning bolt that changed me from interested, to whoa, I have got to see these guys!
    It was April 78 and I was at my buddies. We listened to Skullfuck a lot sans not much else live Dead to listen to. Live Dead was still probably too weird for us to fully engage. Steal Your Money was cool, but it was all about S&R.
    Being a Hendrix freak in HS, I was really into JBG, and I’d heard this version many times, but for whatever reason something happened that day and JBG just blew me away. I made him replay it over and over and from then on the scaled tipped and I started becoming more into the Dead then the other stuff.
    The final straw was finally getting to see them in January. The rest as they say is history.

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    I wasn't able to find a good source for this show. What source did you listen to guys?

    December 73. Another fine month Jim.

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    3/18/71 is a good show - least the first cd moves nicely through it's changes, and the song list and jams to come look promising.

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    Hey hey hey rockers!!

    Pick Of The Day: Winterland March 24 1971 (Benefit for the Sufi Choir Of San Francisco)

    Code Seminole, check 3 check 3 check 1, Red Dog over……………

    The yang to the yin of March 3. The band may have started the month off low, but they ended high. Yes they may have forgotten an organ, but this fine and underrated show is much crunchier and more expansive than what came three weeks previously.

    The Skull Album Johnny B Goode, so early in the first set. Top notch grease, especially the crispy Hard To Handle. A big jam sequence in the first set highlighted by an excellent Other One. How and why did they end the set with such a hard rockin’ Beat It On Down The line? Solid NFA suite to close set two, followed by a nice Uncle John’s Band encore.

    I know not everybody digs 1971 shows, but this one is worth a listen, and would make a nice official release some day……..

    Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

    Rock on!

    Doc
    Where's your will to be weird?

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China>Rider 10/29/80
Estimated>Eyes Hampton '79

After that, I don't know where I'll go next. Already spun the '73 selection from the Taper's Section this morning.

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Getting into 84 lately prepping for 35...was at 4/16&17 but not familiar with them?
Don’t know if anybody would be interested in one or both of those this week? Just throwing it out there...

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Checking into the 1st set for a bit. We'll see what comes up next? Maybe some Jerry Band?

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Make the call Oroborous. I am always interested in checking out new shows.

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Always pick right. :-)

How many picky Deadheads does it take to make a pick?

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If I could only own 2 box sets, the Complete Recordings of the Fillmore West would be one of them, the other the Europe 72 box.

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3/2/69 it is......

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does it take to screw in a light bulb?.....
2, one to screw in the bulb, one to stand there and go “nice turns!”....

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By the way, did anyone see that video footage from Englishtown that's on Youtube? I think first time I might have seen video footage from the concert. It was in color, too. Any chance the whole thing was video taped, or at least good portions of it?

The snippets I saw left me wanting more. Have a grateful day everybody! :-)

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No, I have never seen any footage of Englishtown. I will have to check that out. Thanks for the tip on that WTJ.

Haven't heard from Bolo for a while. Hopefully a 75 pick will get your attention and let us know if we will be seeing any other releases besides Dave's and American Beauty Anniversary release.

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I hear Pyongyang is nice this time of year. Or Iceland. Those are my guesses.

Looking to my inner consciousness, I can't decide if Englishtown is over or under-rated. I guess I will punt on this. It's worthy. I personally like the end of the He's Gone jam, but the Eyes of the World was always a highlight. I guess sometimes you have to accept and be happy with the win. Through all the pomp and circumstance, it's a very well played show.. one of the great ones.

For me this show is really special. I grew up as a huge fan of Blues for Allah. Used to have the tapestry in my room for several years. I think this finally meet its demise sometime in 2014.
Anyway, if you haven't listened to this show in a while or ever, you need to check it out. First set is filled with Blues for Allah tracks and a separated Franklins, great Big River and a great version of It must have been the Roses. Then they go into a great Truckin, Eleven, Drums and my personal favorite Milkin the Turkey! Love this Milkin the Turkey.
Finish it up with a NFA, GDTRFB and One More Saturday Night.
Only complaint the show ended.
Sound quality is A+.

Big Fan of Blues for Allah too. I regret I am two days behind.. two back to back great shows.

Great picks.. I might get the chance to play catch up tomorrow.. provided I don't stay up too late watching 06/21/89 Shoreline Amphitheatre on YouTube. Did we pick this one yet? It's kinda good.

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Jim, I don't believe we have listened to the 6/21/89 Shoreline show. Let's do it, haven't met a Shoreline show I didn't like yet.

Be well folks and we need to hear from a few of you out there.

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I stayed home and taped this off the radio, it's a nice show. I wonder if this was broadcast nationally?

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I'm going with the video today. I am laying flooring and will be able have it on a screen fed into some (albeit crappy) external speakers. Not even going to check the setlist, so it'll be more like if it were live. Long time since I listened to my tapes of this one. Thanks Jim.

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...where I had very limited internet access (aside from my phone,) so I missed out on a bunch of picks. Other than missing this board and having access to the Archive, I really didn't mind the disconnect.

Glad to see that 3/18/77 was the pick for my B'Day. That is one of my 77 faves... I too would love to see another 77 box set collecting those Winterland shows.

Today is Shoreline 89? Sounds groovy to me.

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Was on pay for view live, with simulcast on FM. Funny, my cousin and I watched it on a tiny little TV, but through big McIntosh system: C 40, MC2300, and XR 7 speakers. Tape I made was awesome except for the obnoxious station ids in bad places and I needed to pop in another tape so think I have a gap? Used to not dig this one so much, think it’s grown on me more since. But compared to most of the rest of summer tour.....
Not a big Clarence fan either, meaning I dig the dude, but always felt like he was a fish outta water with the Dead. Think there’s some Jerry shows he seems better on? Believe we saw him at the June 90 Warfield shows and he was good? Actually waiting on Vol 13 as I was told he’s pretty good on that one...originally got scared off...
Now that y’all brought 6/21 up, maybe I’ll try and watch that one in the theatre tonight? Think today & tomorrow I’m going to do those 84 shows I proposed earlier this week, kinda digging the 84 lately...

EDIT: belated happy, happy, joy, joy to Otis!

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I knew there was a reason I celebrated that day!!

I thought Clarence did an ok job last night, it was an enjoyable show.. then again, I must have been celebrating someone else's birthday here because I was a little buzzed.

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It was a good one! Spent the night and early morning hours with my corners a considerable bit brighter, listening to nearly all of The Beatles from Help on with the wife and a dear friend, then a solo sunrise walk with my dog, then alone, on the beach while the sun came up and I came down, listening to Dave's 5... pretty sweet stuff.

Speaking of... have we done Dave's 5 yet? I could listen to it again (and again, and again, and again...) If not, how about for tomorrow 7/23? If so, I hear there is an 84 party going on somewhere around these parts.

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Anyone want to give this one a shot? I've heard some good reviews on it. The other one I might propose for today would be 5/25/74. Either of these good?

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The Tempe AZ show. Let's give it a shot. It is November 73, hope the SBD is good.

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Dave's 5 was one of the days I was out. No worries. I thought that it was odd we hadn't hit that one yet.

Sticking with the Fall of 73, I am all for firing up 11/25/73 - There are two copies on the archive, one with "filler" between sets, one without. The second set looks to be on the short side:

Around
Eyes>
WRS
Casey Jones
Sugar Mag >
GDTRFB >
OMSN
We Bid you Goodnight.

Here is the link to the show without the filler (it is the Charlie Miller transfer): https://archive.org/details/gd1973-11-25.sbd.miller.113007.flac16

Now, the other one has the whole show, plus some interesting filler... it is the heart of the second set from 12/4/71 Felt Forum, and includes M&MU>TOO>Mexicali>TOO>Wharf Rat. Seems odd to include such a different era, but it does come between sets, and it could be thought of as intermission music. Hmm... anyway, here is the link to the DeadLists SBD with filler: https://archive.org/details/gd73-11-25.sbd.sacks.2213.sbeok.shnf

I think I might go with the Charlie Miller without filler, then follow it up with the whole 12/4/71 show. I love that Felt Forum run.

Happy listening, DeadLand!

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I love towards the end when Bob says, "Everybody turn around and dig the sunset" (or something along those lines)... For some reason I can visualize that moment...... last show before that end of the year tour that is so famous.... On a side not just got The Ritz shows 1/27 & 1/28/86 in mail. Wasn't suppose to come until saturday. Going to listen to first and then Feyline... Bob t

P.S. just remembered it Bob's dig the sunset might not be on the Miller version, on my cassette tape that I listened to a 1000 times on my sony walkman!!!!

Can only imagine where they might of gone if they hadn’t lost Brentski? How long would they have rode the crest of the wave.... Here’s to Brent, (imagine my toast held high....ok, it’s only emer-gen-cy , but it’s still a toast!)

6/21/89: well, the word that kept coming up was fickle, this show is all over the place. Poor Bob can’t get a break which seems to mess with his mojo until at least Cassidy? Maybe even not fully until second set? Jerry has a couple flubs early on like TOG, but more than makes up for it with hot versions of many songs, and like most of summer 89 he’s smiling and dancing, and he and Brent look like a couple of kids in love, beautiful to watch, especially after the permanent chin glued to the chest years....Clarence does better than I remember, but you can tell he’s mostly winging it, which is hard to do with Dead music. If your a muscian who’s played this music live, and have ever had a neophyte sit in, perhaps you know what I mean?
That is to say, nothing against the big man, as the majority of folks I’ve seen sit in have the same scenario except on easier, we’ll known tunes like say NFA etc... The Dead are just so unique that it’s not easy to wing it, even fir them sometimes! Lol
So though I consider it a good show, compared to many of the great shows of summer 89, I still don’t feel it’s top shelf where mama hides the cookies...which is like saying it’s only a BMW and not a Porsche!
Speaking of 89, really looking forward to the SS Friday with 9/29/89! Never heard this one and of course we get the big reveal, and it will be interesting to see how this falls within the spectrum of Summer to Fall 89?
Did superficial 4/16/84 yesterday. About how I (didn’t) remember it, meaning similar to above, good show, but not sure I’d say top tour echelon? Might try today’s 73 pick and 4/17/84 as I need to get caught up at work so need the motivation! Well, nothing to it but to do it!....Rock on mi amigos!

EDIT: somewhere someone started a shoe song list....how bout Sailin’ Shoes, by......wait for it.....Little Feet (cue rom shot)

Hi-Ya

Happy Belated Birthday Otis, sounds like you did it up right.
Welcome Back.

Got the Jerry Acoustic CDs Volume 14 and Bonus and am digging them.
The sound quality is excellent and the performances are real enjoyable.

Due to my obsessive Grateful Dead collecting and the investment that requires, I’ve pretty much avoided most of the solo stuff as my time and means are limited.

That being said, this one peaked my interest due to the GD material covered and the bonus CD.
I’m a sucker for limited edition bonus CDs.
So I bit and now I might’ve got bit back.

While listening I decided to look into what else was out there in regards to Garcia & Kahn acoustic performances. And yeah, that’s a whole other wormhole that appears pretty deep.

Kinda blown away with some of my (new to me, old to some) discoveries, for instance if you look at the number of performances Jerry played in ’82, when you combine his Grateful Dead touring with his solo projects.. God Damn I declare! I’m amazed with his output. Especially when you consider ’82, as far as I understand it, Jer was beginning to really struggle with addiction issues. How he managed to play / work this much is truly remarkable and a credit to his strength and determination to create music. Impressive to say the least.

That brings me to my tie in, looking at the Jerry solo stuff, I stumbled on the 11/28/73 Jerry Garcia, Mickey, Phil & Ned Lagin stuff that’s floating around out there. Some truly trippy excursions into weirdness. Digging it.

And lo, when I look at the pick today, it’s 11/25/73.

Cool…

Hey Oroborous, you mentioned tomorrow night we get the big reveal during the SS. What are you referring to?

Good to see you GOGD. Thought maybe you were trapped out in Portland.

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Absolute insanity going on in this Country and my hometown.

Meanwhile I was deep in the throes of the Fillmore West 1969 Box set after the 3/2/69 pick and needed to listen to all of it. Desert Island Dead during my Desert Island Pandemic Reality.

This Darkness has got to give.

But it's nice to be missed :)

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Deadvikes: reveal meaning the first Death Don’t...I’m really stoked for this show!

GOGD: yeah was worried you got caught up in all that madness in P town etc, I mean if the Government is just plucking citizens off the street in unmarked vans etc, well who’s more subversive than us rabble rousing hippies lol.....(think loud angry cop voice “sir, we need you to step away from that tape deck and put your hands in the air, and drop that weapon immediately”......aaaaaa, ya mean this joint?? Lol.

Now if we could only find Four Winds Blow........and David Duryea (sp?)
And dammit Dave, what about Gainesville!

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VGUY: A million times prior to now, but not since this stuff started happening. Covid concerns.

OB - Hahaha that's a roger. LOL. Step away from the tape deck sir.. and what's that you're holding? At least weed is legal here now. Shit is crazy.

Definitely a Shakedown Street to avoid.

And a Shakedown Stream to look forward too.

I edited out the rest of this to keep it on point of the music and good times.

Happy to talk state of the nation elsewhere :)

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

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Looking forward to that Oroborous.

I will stay away from the hate. I don't come to this place for that crap.

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Listened to Garcia 14 first.... Feyline is good from start to finish.... No giant jam but you get a set ending Playing, then an around and around followed by Eyes into Weather Report, (50 plus minutes for 4 songs) so you sort of get the jammed out feeling.... have a good night everyone.... bob t

There's a few of us here that have tapped into quite the collection of Jerry stuff, talking about the unreleased stuff.

Bet you know who we are and where to find us, but there is a good bit of acoustic Jerry and John stuff floating around.

In fact.. I need to double check my facts, but I think my first Jerry Show was Jerry and John at the Lisner Auditorium in DC circa 82 or 83??? I remember it being a short show but quite good.

Anyway.. not an empty offer, Jerry stuff does exist.

Not sure what's in the pipeline for later this week, but there is interest for more 84 and 85, I've been going there in my free time lately....

Thanks Jim!

Noted for sure.

Have you checked out the 11/28/73 Jerry Mickey & Ned?

Wild stuff. I was digging the supposed Tarot outtakes filler.

This 11/25/73 PITB ain’t bad either.

I need to explore some more. There’s so
much good stuff!

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Wow- I'm just listening to this for the first time now. I love this stuff! - thanks GOGD for the tip! Great spacey relaxing music. Perfect for reading or a stressful day at work. I listen to compilations of Spring 90 drums/space when I need relaxing background music. Now I can also listen to this 11/28/73 stuff!

I'm looking forward to the new Garcia/Kahn. I saw 3 shows from one of their 84 tours but haven't listened to hardly any Garcia/Kahn since. I certainly loved the shows I saw, though.

p.s., edit, I assume 11/28/73 is from THE one and only Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco?! Such a beautiful special place by the ocean. I visited it as a tourist!!

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Far out stuff huh Gollum?

Stoked you’re diggin’ it. I enjoyed stumbling on that this am. I was goin’ places. Endless treasures!

Just like those ‘86 Jerry shows.
35 years of collecting and still finding new stuff everyday.

Watching the 6/21/89 estimated with Clarence now. Yet Another treasure, more familiar with this one, but it’s been so long it’s kinda new again.

Good stuff, Fun sharing :)

Edit - yep, the palace of fine arts, although there’s a bunch of debate about the dates of all the material. Some of it from that date pretty certain, maybe not all. Supposedly Phil mixed it in quadrophonic stereo... wooo