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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #321
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    all I am saying, is give GD87 a chance. _two_ shows!

    giving us 87 means new explorations, perspectives, viewpoints, new space, etc. No, it ain't 12/18/73, or Europe 72, or some monster 69. But...I still love Daves 35, and will continue to subscribe until I literally join the dead, or the series ends.

    Dave
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    it turns me on

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    DHB, always love to hear your thoughts!
    Dennis, always love how you crack me up!
    Format: as others have theorized, perhaps they want to spoon out “the good stuff” (not my words) thus mixing it up and keeping enough of those “nuggets” to keep it interesting.
    Also, perhaps not enough 60s; variety, good sources etc, to do one every year, but agree we could use more.
    Obviously not everyone is always gonna be happy, but I’d love to see say alternate 60 or post Brent 90, with 2 70s, and a 80 release every year. Think that would be fair, cover most sweet spots, cover the ABCD costs etc,and yeah, sometimes ya might get one your not thrilled about. Fir that see previous post...

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    I like all the eras, they all have their charm. A great performance is a great performance whenever the time. Someone here once said if you stop at 71, then you don't get a long list of GREAT standards,,, can you imagine no Eyes!!! Early stuff,,, can you beat a great Viola? Of course not. Luckily we got Dew for a long time.

    I like the 4 times a year surprise of the picks, on the monetary front you either have the money to spend or don't. Two positives in this modern world, copies always available somewhere and it seems the bonus disc always sells for the price of the subscription on the aftermarket (for good or ill I agree). Past that thank the band members that made the music possible and allow it to be up on the archive, something every can afford :-)

    Now on this 37 front,,, my selfish pick, 1975-06-17 - Winterland Arena - San Francisco, CA . No wasn't my first show, never been to Winterland, but it will the last 75 show not to be released! I want to cross 75 off the need list!! Come on Dave,,, do it for Dennie.

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    Yes.. 36 was announced with a picture of the cover art via email as follows:

    Hard to believe but we've come upon the very last release in our 2020 Dave's Picks Series. DAVE’S PICKS VOL.36: HARTFORD CIVIC CENTER, HARTFORD, CT (3/26/87 & 3/27/87) will be up for pre-order on Thursday, October 15th at 10am PT. Set that alarm and don't hit snooze!

    DHBrewer.. would love to hear your rant.. I get the feeling it would crack me up.

    Also, for what it's worth, I quite liked the recent 83 and 84 Dave's Picks. They might not get the quite the speaker time as my other children.. but sometimes you need some high-octane workout music. Palate cleanser for the more delicate intricacies of my favorite acid jazz 74 shows. 35 must have come at just the right time as it probably has four or five partial listens and I enjoyed the hell out of them all.

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    Has this been officially announced?

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    I typed a post this morning, but cannot bring myself to post it; please PM me if for some reason you think you want to read it! :)

    The gist of it is that 26 of 40 shows from 1974 have been released, even if just partially. So have 36 of 82 from 1972 and 32 of 60 from 1977. My notes from 1984 and 1987 say that I have enjoyed the two and five shows, respectively, that have been released from those years, which were still part of the Garcia era.

    The other point from my post, made also by Oro, is that we can all keep supporting this fun trip, or we can withhold the meager monies requested of us, and then we can stop getting shows, including all the free November music and the free Tapers' Section music, and the Free GD Hour . . .

    Confession time--I could not care less about the shows from late 1969 through Keith's first show. But when those shows are released (and there have been many), I smile and feel Grateful that people who love that era are getting some kind dessert.

    Be kind, rewind.

    p.s. If Dave wants to indulge himself a bit after all these years and all this work by releasing his first show, then bless him. And we may be getting a whole new distribution model after this release, no? Dave ends the Dave's Picks series by releasing a cool show that got him on the bus? I'm willing to bet that whatever he and Rhino do will enhance my musical life.

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    That makes two Ron Francis references in this thread in the last 24 hours. :)

    Glad to see another northern team in the league and Seattle deserves a franchise. Now they just need to contract Phoenix, Nashville, Carolina, Dallas and the Panthers to get the level of talent more concentrated. One of those can move to Quebec I suppose.

    Good discussion about the releases. Oroborous said it well.

    More Maple Leafs jokes please!!

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    Oroborous is right

    I agree with Oroborous’ sentiments on these releases. For me, I miss the days of attending concerts (and Covid aside), actual LIVE music, the crowds, the atmosphere, and far more than just the Dead, but ALL the great music. Before scalpers were bots, and best seats could be had by lining up in rain, or heat, cold and damp, with friends who added to the experience and laughs, and those great tickets could be bought for a fraction of today’s prices. (Neil Young & Crazy Horse on the original Rust Never Sleeps tour from great seats, for pocket money, or The Band on their final tour, to name just two) Now, so many of the performers I flocked to see in my youth just don’t tour anymore, or if they do, you are buying bleacher tickets at prime prices, if you are lucky. Planning to go with the gang? Good luck getting seats together now. So these Dave’s releases represent to me some of that early concert fun. Yes, some lesser, some way better, but that, too, is part of the joy. And two shows in one release sounds like a sound bargain. Just my two cents.
    And for folks in the Seattle area, I urge you to embrace the new Kraken franchise - you will love the game as I have for 60 years+, and since the franchise hired Ron Francis, a legend as a player and a gentleman as a person, you are in great hands. (Ron was a long time Hartford Whaler, when they were in the NHL, and I am positive this was why Dave Kloc put the whales on the cover of DaP 36, from Hartford). Chances are, the team will be a powerhouse quickly, along the lines of Las Vegas in 2-3 years, and as a guy that has followed the sad sack Toronto Maple Leafs as long as I have, that means something.
    So, in summary, enjoy these releases, they never fail to entertain me, because nothing beats “live” music, and Grateful Dead “Live” music is as good as it gets. And Seattle, enjoy the Kraken, you won’t be disappointed.

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    A post- Hornsby '90s show would make a pleasant change.

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    That’s how many years the Dead performed, not 5!
    So I like any show, from any year, as long as it’s a great show and it sounds at least decent.
    I have good equipment and after listening to shitty tapes for decades, I’m able to sit back, entrain and enjoy.
    Meaning I’ve never received a release that was so bad I couldn’t stand it. I cherish each and every release, even from years that aren’t my favorite. Do I play them as much as others, of course not, but that does not diminish my gratitude that we’ve been blessed with so many shows, especially this century! I mean come on, if you think about it it’s amazing how many releases there are, and only so far! So of course with so many different folks from very diverse spaces not everyone is going to like everything, sorry but that’s called life.
    But that’s just my personal take, I totally understand some folks fervent attachment to certain years/eras, hell I love 85 for fugs sake, certainly not a majority opinion, lol, so I get it.
    But Mr Heartbreaks second post is very valid. To me, vested discourse has always been one of the most fun parts of being a DH. Man the civil arguments we used to have in the car on the long road between or after shows was epic, and hugely entertaining, especially if some one was out in left field versus the consensus. It always amazed me that 3 or 4 or 7 people that went to the same show could have such different takes on what we all just experienced. Of course experience was always a big part of how we obtained our opinions...
    Perhaps the most well known example is the dude in the dead movie out in the lobby!

    My only criticism is not dissenting opinions, or what you say, it’s how you say it!
    Sometimes we, and I mean many of us, can knee jerk react and be a bit cantankerous. Often the individual cools down and realizes and even apologizes, that’s what makes this place so special....civil discourse, something severely lacking in the world today!
    So just because someone doesn’t like something doesn’t mean the majority should slag them, as long as they do so respectfully and intelligently.
    I also agree that this place can be a little too “the emperor has new clothes” like in its ability to eat anything. Shit the band used to joke about how overly excepting we were! So I can understand MR HBs opinion on that too.

    Finally, again only a personal opinion, but it is so easy to sell these that if I was in the camp that’s only into specific stuff, I would still subscribe because:
    1) you get the bonus disc!
    2) since you paid for it you might as well rip it to the collection and then,
    3) you can sell one or 2 and pretty much pay for the whole subscription!
    That also has the added benefit of providing copies for Johnny come latelys or folks who missed out some how.
    In other words,
    4) if we don’t support this iT WILL GO AWAY! Like it or not this a business and if we dont buy, they won’t sell!
    Harsh, sad but true, but the bottom line rules...

    Eventually, once most, but not all, sit down, fire up and listen, I think most folks will find these interesting, enjoyable, well played shows, even if there are no 30 minute Dark Stars etc...
    Would I of preferred 12/18/73, you bet ya, but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to really dig these shows!
    Just a thought....onward through the fog!

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 15:02

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I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm getting Dave's Picks subscriptions to get complete shows regardless of the length of the show and I'm pretty sure this is the root of some of the disagreement here. If you are getting this to get as many minutes of music as possible, you're going to have a different view than if you are getting these just to get a complete show with each release. Personally, I haven't picked up several of the compilation Road Trips just because the compilation model doesn't really interest me at this point. I can't explain why this particular eccentricity afflicts me, but I guess you just dig what you dig, no need to overthink it and nothing against those who enjoy the compilation model. When I listen to the Dead it is almost always either a studio album or an entire show and any filler is typically just a distraction for me. Again, if you like the filler, don't take it personally that I do not. If this is an occasional thing with Dave's Picks it will be a minor inconvenience for me, and if it is a regular thing then it will diminish my enjoyment and interest in the series. That will mean more copies for those of you that do dig that format, so no harm done either way. You can chalk up my lack of interest in burning copies or programming the CD player every time that I listen to something to my Luddite tendencies.

As far as the fact this is an '84 show, that doesn't bother me a bit, I'm looking forward to having another show from '84 and as always, when I listen I'll know how much I like it. I'll take a full show from whatever year Dave Picks, that is not at all an issue for me. I don't know what makes someone a seasoned deadhead or not, and my guess is that 20 different deadheads will give you 20 different answers (isn't that cool?), so I'm not sure how enthusiasm for this release or the manner in which the filler was added correlates to someones internalized deadhead hierarchy, but if it helps anyone, feel free to think of me as a bad, bad deadhead for my criticism of the filler choices on this release.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 18:46

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First I must state I was making a general statement after opening up this board for the first time and reading all 10 pages from stem to stern, for good or for ill. I’m sure I was reacting to a general vibe I felt (so that basically meaningless “I” ) I in no way meant any individual and especially not you! Your a long time favorite and often a voice of reason here.
In fact, I agreed with everything you said except the part about your not dead enough? I especially enjoyed the 20 DH’s will give you 20 different answers. That’s the shit I love and miss!

So to all I should clarify:
the “issues” seems to be
1- complete shows verses chop jobs
2- too much “dead” space
3- sequencing of said complete shows

Like most things there is not going to be a perfect fit, so the topic becomes how to achieve all of the above, or if not possible?...what then?
My clarification is complete shows (wouldn’t mind having to miss say one song if it’s a extra great show), but if there’s extra disc space, perhaps reasonably add extra material, especially in example, 9/2/80, which Dick said was all there was, and why he used it as filler...as far as sequencing, we’ll that’s probably more the issue, and it’s probably really contingent on how your listening. And that I’m not touching with a ten foot pole as how you dig something should be whatever is best for you, imho...

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Sun, 07/19/2020 - 19:38

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No worries Oro, I didn't see anything objectionable at all about your earlier post, just made me think there was probably a fundamental split in what people hope to get out of these releases, and I like posts that make me think, so thanks. The back and forth on these threads sometimes leads to exposure to different insights and sometimes some pretty funny shit. Which begs the question, where are the jokes lately? I'm talking to you Vguy72 (but in a totally nice, hey dig your jokes kind of way, not in any way to make anyone go all Travis Bickle on the situation). And don't be afraid to provide an explainer along with the jokes, took me a day to get the Thermos Tat joke. But I really enjoyed it all the more when I got it. Been on a serious time crunch lately, so my listening time has been pretty limited, but I am looking forward to the 2/21/71 show. But yeah, the mood around here lately makes it seem like we're in the middle of some sort of global pandemic or something...which would seem like the perfect time for some humor to me.

Edit: And thanks for the kind words Oro.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 06:07

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Yeah, what’s up with the jokes dude?

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Submitted by Truckin79 on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 07:47

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These 3 nights are great but the magic shows from that spring Tour in 84 were the second in Hampton and the Niagara Falls show. Those shows are amazing! The whole Spring tour was an amazing! People say that Jerry was off . I have to say that the Heads danced their butts off kicking down the floor seats and singing their lungs out! This was my favorite tour. Lots of love for the band and each other.

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Submitted by mustin321 on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 07:48

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I couldn’t have said it better, but I feel the exact same way.

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Submitted by mustin321 on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 07:49

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Does anyone else have any issues seeing the description, track listing, & comments on a pc computer? I can obviously see this info on my iPhone, as I’m posting this now, but I can’t see any info for any of the products on Dead.net on my laptop.

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 08:10

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I can't get to 'Comments' via the main 'Product' pages either (I tried unsuccessfully on Dave's 34 & 35 and WMD). It didn't matter if I was using Chrome, Firefox or Safari on my MacBook Pro – the links on the main 'Product' pages don't work – all that loads is the product image, Listening Party, Dave's Backyard Chat and dead* links to 'Description', 'Product Details', 'Track Listing', and 'Comments'. Weird. . . guess they'll get the links fired back up at some point. Onward.

* That's 'dead', not 'Dead' ;-)

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Submitted by marye on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 08:39

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rolls over into a discussion thread. This is normal. And you can get back to the product listing with the link at the top left.
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Submitted by WharfratWhitey on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 08:40

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So glad to see a show from a new year in this series! I had to play Augusta ME 10/12/84 to get the vibe going. Thanks again Dave!

I’ve had a few days where posts don’t show up right away, and one night I could post on one board, but not another, but couldn’t edit....and when I can go to the store and go to say Dave’s Picks for example, I can see comments, track listing, product details etc, but when you click on any of these nothing happens...

I have (obviously) been able to access this board by going to dead.net, not into the store, and community>>products>>Dave’s 35 etc...oh, I’m using an iPad if that helps/matters?

Thanks for your help as always!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 09:43

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NICE!, look out senator, there’s a new hired gun in town....he’s a real clucker!
I know, weak sauce! Lol

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 09:58

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Tell us more...
We were at 4/16 & 17 in the front row, but due to extreme Vegetable protein don’t recall much....think Niagara’s Falls was hot but don’t remember much of Rochester and haven’t really checked these out yet....
Where you there and if so what do you recall?

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 11:23

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I had the same experience, the tabs for track listing, product details are there but nothing shows up under the tabs when I clicked on them, checked on my phone and everything worked. Hadn't checked back since it happened a day or two ago, but I just checked again now and had the same issue. I thought it was just me.

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 13:05

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That's right. If i click on the Dave's Picks icon and get to the product page I see the 'Description', 'Product Details', 'Track Listing' and 'Comments' tabs, but if I click on any of them nothing happens.

The way I can get to the chat is to click on the thread directly from the homepage, under the 'Grateful Dead Community' section.

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Submitted by RobbZ on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 15:10

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"Someday they won't let you, now you must agree
The times they are a-telling, and the changing isn't free
You've read it in the tea leaves, and the tracks are on TV
Beware the Savage Jaw...of 1984"

But I digress....

Cued up 7/3/84--Starlight Theater to catch this 84 wave, and when Scarlet Begonias appeared I was like "alright, alright, alright...little Scar-Fire to add some boogie to my dull day"...but wait....,was it??..... it was....The Boys squeezed "Touch of Grey" in between for an unusual Scar>Touch>Fire. Sneaky good shit, I must admit.....

https://archive.org/details/gd84-07-03.aud.willy.14909.sbeok.shnf

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Submitted by RobbZ on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 17:28

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Diamond Dogs...first 8-Track I ever bought...weather in a packed car full of friends and smoke, or at keg parties hidden deep in the woods, we wore that mother out! Good times.....

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Submitted by Truckin79 on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 17:56

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Yes Rochester was amazing right out of gate with Shakedown and like you the whole tour was dosed! I have listened to Niagara and still to this day one of my favorites. The Morning Dew from the second night at Hampton is killer. All the shows from Philly where excellent. Jerry looked bad but he played incredibly. I loved this spring tour.

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Submitted by krijyn on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 19:12

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I was there at that show!!! about 15 people back from the stage!!! still truckin!! lol

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Submitted by SPACEBROTHER on Mon, 07/20/2020 - 19:41

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...am ecstatic for this release. This is why I subscribe. Been waiting for This era to get tapped since Dick's Picks and From The Vault. Jerry's health issues aside his guitar playing was often transcending during this period.

On a side note was listening to the bonus disc from this years Jai Alai release. That PITB has everything in the jam. Goes from melodic, to minor key jamming then a brief subtle moment that suddenly becomes a crazy jam based on the chord progression similar to a heavy Slipknot type vibe into some melancholy wah wah back into the Playin theme. I think I fell in love with this version.

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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 07/21/2020 - 03:58

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Good times indeed ! Coincidentally, a few weeks ago I bought the red vinyl copy that came out on RSD last year, and it sounds amazing in that format - better than the recently remastered cd.

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Tue, 07/21/2020 - 07:01

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Thanks Mary! Website's workin' real good once more – existential free fall averted. . . Onward.

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Submitted by 80sfan on Tue, 07/21/2020 - 07:19

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Been enjoying this show on the archive since this release was announced. All this talk about spring 84 has sent me on a mission to dive into more shows from this era, which reminds of the old days when listening to one show would send me down a rabbit hole of discovery. Would be really cool if one release per year was dedicated to the early-mid 80s.

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Submitted by wadeocu on Tue, 07/21/2020 - 14:54

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Ok I take it all back; I see now that these were designed with a zippered stash pocket in the tongue. Ingenious - that would have come in handy in the frisk line back in the daze.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Tue, 07/21/2020 - 14:57

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Is on the way! Yeah!!

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Submitted by carlo13 on Tue, 07/21/2020 - 15:21

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Dont forget the kangaroos high-top of the 80's with the hidden zippered stash pocket on the side kangaroo logo.

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Submitted by P Hill on Tue, 07/21/2020 - 16:22

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https://archive.org/details/gd1984-07-21.112806.beyer-senn.daweez.d5sco…

Shakedown Street
Little Red Rooster
Althea
Me and My Uncle
Mexicali Blues
China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider
Looks Like Rain
Might As Well

Cold Rain and Snow
Far From Me
Truckin'
Eyes of the World
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The Other One
Stella Blue
Around and Around
One More Saturday Night

Touch of Grey

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Wed, 07/22/2020 - 08:11

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Agreed, whats the deal with the hairy shoes? What if we had to enter a sweepstakes to be eligible to buy Dave's picks, or the next box set? I know that the shoe culture is huge in this country and people pay insane prices for limited edition shoes all the time, but surprised that dead culture has abutted that. C'est la vie.

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Submitted by simonrob on Wed, 07/22/2020 - 08:26

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Now there is someone who knows a bit about shoes.

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Submitted by simonrob on Wed, 07/22/2020 - 10:24

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It's a real joke that they cost so much.

Just a pair of shoes. How does anyone have the nerve to ask prices like that. The evil face of greed and capitalism.

Think how bad you would feel if you stepped in dog shit whilst wearing them.

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Wed, 07/22/2020 - 10:25

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for the hairy shoes?! I feel like such an idiot. Here I've been collecting limited edition shows and box sets, but the money was in the shoes the whole time. It's like when Indy has to find the holy grail in the last crusade and you think its going to be the gilded one with all the jewels, but no, its the crappy plain cup over on the side behind all the cobwebs.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 07/22/2020 - 10:48

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.....I've seen some of their shoes go for a lot more that that on ebay. In the end, they're just shoes. The only shoes i would ever purchase that are over a hundred bucks are Birkenstocks.

Last 5 favorite shoe songs:

Walk a Mile in My shoes Joe South
Travellin' Shoes Little Richard
Blue Suede Shoes Sid King & 5 Strings
These Boots are Made for Walking Nancy Sinatra/Megadeth
High Heel Sneakers GD

I don't know about you guys, but thanks to Covid and my work from home situation, I haven't actually worn shoes since march. Strictly flip-flops.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 07/22/2020 - 13:49

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Right. Remind me what shoes are again.. it's been a while.

As for pricing, ski boots can get a little pricy.. but I am guessing in Vegas you might not know what I am talking about. You can sub birks for flip flops in 80's post for me too. And river booties I guess..

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 07/22/2020 - 14:52

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H1z45jVlM34. One of my favorite songs, I have never seen Fats Domino, Jim I believe you saw him. I was told he couldn't come to Calif. for some legal reason, don't know if that's true. My brother played this song on his radio show for a friend who passed to early back in 1981, that's what I relate this song to.

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