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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • Oroborous
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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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    Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

    Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

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    Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

    Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
    With all the video included.

    I’ll take mini-Boxes.
    3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
    Sounds like a grate plan to me.

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    Agree..

    Can anyone tell me why we did not get a Winterland '74 Box Set? The box design would, of course, been a mini Wall of Sound.

    Wars have been fought for less.

    Oh, the horror.

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    Would you like yours in a mini or mega? 1972, 1977, 1978 still ripe for the picking. Added together that equals mega I'd say. Taken alone some fine mini ones there. I think there's a New Year's 1971 available yet to add...

    P.S. Currently spinning the space jam from 10-18-1978

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    Stuck in the mud…

    Made through 5/4 and sorta first run of 5/7 (on crappy device while working) But got bogged down this week with mucho fuckery and distractions so lost my pace and mojo, hoping I can catch up this WE…
    ONWARD!

    NO MORE MINI BOXES!
    Every piddly little release is one less possible future box! Like most things there’s only so many, nothing lasts as the pranksters say…
    We’re running outta time so we need huge boxes with the best remaining 20 shows from each year.
    Perhaps more from years they’ve been stingy or ignored.
    This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no foolin around…
    Seriously, sales are flat, saturation for some has set in, old heads don’t want any newer stuff and/or are dying off etc, yeah, this could all go away sooner than later. We need to demand more output for the faithful, and stop worrying about the picky folks who only buy limited things. I totally understand not buying things you won’t use, but if we don’t support these releases, eventually, they’ll just stop!!
    They need to quit dicking around, otherwise,…..Smithers, release the hounds, it’s time to quit screwing around and storm the vault! Where the hell is Keithfan anyway? Thought he was getting close? Hear sound of foot tapping…AND,
    Hey Mickey, what happened to “everything’s going to get digitized and you’ll be able to order almost any show” (paraphrasing).

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    Maybe they could do that with vinyl releases, like they did with The Lyceum shows. Although I get the impression it didn't sell particularly well.
    I tend to segment them myself, when I listen to them, although I'm glad the cds were released in that mammoth box. I listen to most of them every year - but I couldn't do it consecutively, one show another in one chunk. I take all year about it - then come Spring in the following year...start again.

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China>Rider 10/29/80
Estimated>Eyes Hampton '79

After that, I don't know where I'll go next. Already spun the '73 selection from the Taper's Section this morning.

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Getting into 84 lately prepping for 35...was at 4/16&17 but not familiar with them?
Don’t know if anybody would be interested in one or both of those this week? Just throwing it out there...

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Checking into the 1st set for a bit. We'll see what comes up next? Maybe some Jerry Band?

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Make the call Oroborous. I am always interested in checking out new shows.

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Always pick right. :-)

How many picky Deadheads does it take to make a pick?

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If I could only own 2 box sets, the Complete Recordings of the Fillmore West would be one of them, the other the Europe 72 box.

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3/2/69 it is......

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does it take to screw in a light bulb?.....
2, one to screw in the bulb, one to stand there and go “nice turns!”....

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By the way, did anyone see that video footage from Englishtown that's on Youtube? I think first time I might have seen video footage from the concert. It was in color, too. Any chance the whole thing was video taped, or at least good portions of it?

The snippets I saw left me wanting more. Have a grateful day everybody! :-)

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No, I have never seen any footage of Englishtown. I will have to check that out. Thanks for the tip on that WTJ.

Haven't heard from Bolo for a while. Hopefully a 75 pick will get your attention and let us know if we will be seeing any other releases besides Dave's and American Beauty Anniversary release.

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I hear Pyongyang is nice this time of year. Or Iceland. Those are my guesses.

Looking to my inner consciousness, I can't decide if Englishtown is over or under-rated. I guess I will punt on this. It's worthy. I personally like the end of the He's Gone jam, but the Eyes of the World was always a highlight. I guess sometimes you have to accept and be happy with the win. Through all the pomp and circumstance, it's a very well played show.. one of the great ones.

For me this show is really special. I grew up as a huge fan of Blues for Allah. Used to have the tapestry in my room for several years. I think this finally meet its demise sometime in 2014.
Anyway, if you haven't listened to this show in a while or ever, you need to check it out. First set is filled with Blues for Allah tracks and a separated Franklins, great Big River and a great version of It must have been the Roses. Then they go into a great Truckin, Eleven, Drums and my personal favorite Milkin the Turkey! Love this Milkin the Turkey.
Finish it up with a NFA, GDTRFB and One More Saturday Night.
Only complaint the show ended.
Sound quality is A+.

Big Fan of Blues for Allah too. I regret I am two days behind.. two back to back great shows.

Great picks.. I might get the chance to play catch up tomorrow.. provided I don't stay up too late watching 06/21/89 Shoreline Amphitheatre on YouTube. Did we pick this one yet? It's kinda good.

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Jim, I don't believe we have listened to the 6/21/89 Shoreline show. Let's do it, haven't met a Shoreline show I didn't like yet.

Be well folks and we need to hear from a few of you out there.

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I stayed home and taped this off the radio, it's a nice show. I wonder if this was broadcast nationally?

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I'm going with the video today. I am laying flooring and will be able have it on a screen fed into some (albeit crappy) external speakers. Not even going to check the setlist, so it'll be more like if it were live. Long time since I listened to my tapes of this one. Thanks Jim.

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...where I had very limited internet access (aside from my phone,) so I missed out on a bunch of picks. Other than missing this board and having access to the Archive, I really didn't mind the disconnect.

Glad to see that 3/18/77 was the pick for my B'Day. That is one of my 77 faves... I too would love to see another 77 box set collecting those Winterland shows.

Today is Shoreline 89? Sounds groovy to me.

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Was on pay for view live, with simulcast on FM. Funny, my cousin and I watched it on a tiny little TV, but through big McIntosh system: C 40, MC2300, and XR 7 speakers. Tape I made was awesome except for the obnoxious station ids in bad places and I needed to pop in another tape so think I have a gap? Used to not dig this one so much, think it’s grown on me more since. But compared to most of the rest of summer tour.....
Not a big Clarence fan either, meaning I dig the dude, but always felt like he was a fish outta water with the Dead. Think there’s some Jerry shows he seems better on? Believe we saw him at the June 90 Warfield shows and he was good? Actually waiting on Vol 13 as I was told he’s pretty good on that one...originally got scared off...
Now that y’all brought 6/21 up, maybe I’ll try and watch that one in the theatre tonight? Think today & tomorrow I’m going to do those 84 shows I proposed earlier this week, kinda digging the 84 lately...

EDIT: belated happy, happy, joy, joy to Otis!

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I knew there was a reason I celebrated that day!!

I thought Clarence did an ok job last night, it was an enjoyable show.. then again, I must have been celebrating someone else's birthday here because I was a little buzzed.

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It was a good one! Spent the night and early morning hours with my corners a considerable bit brighter, listening to nearly all of The Beatles from Help on with the wife and a dear friend, then a solo sunrise walk with my dog, then alone, on the beach while the sun came up and I came down, listening to Dave's 5... pretty sweet stuff.

Speaking of... have we done Dave's 5 yet? I could listen to it again (and again, and again, and again...) If not, how about for tomorrow 7/23? If so, I hear there is an 84 party going on somewhere around these parts.

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Anyone want to give this one a shot? I've heard some good reviews on it. The other one I might propose for today would be 5/25/74. Either of these good?

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The Tempe AZ show. Let's give it a shot. It is November 73, hope the SBD is good.

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Dave's 5 was one of the days I was out. No worries. I thought that it was odd we hadn't hit that one yet.

Sticking with the Fall of 73, I am all for firing up 11/25/73 - There are two copies on the archive, one with "filler" between sets, one without. The second set looks to be on the short side:

Around
Eyes>
WRS
Casey Jones
Sugar Mag >
GDTRFB >
OMSN
We Bid you Goodnight.

Here is the link to the show without the filler (it is the Charlie Miller transfer): https://archive.org/details/gd1973-11-25.sbd.miller.113007.flac16

Now, the other one has the whole show, plus some interesting filler... it is the heart of the second set from 12/4/71 Felt Forum, and includes M&MU>TOO>Mexicali>TOO>Wharf Rat. Seems odd to include such a different era, but it does come between sets, and it could be thought of as intermission music. Hmm... anyway, here is the link to the DeadLists SBD with filler: https://archive.org/details/gd73-11-25.sbd.sacks.2213.sbeok.shnf

I think I might go with the Charlie Miller without filler, then follow it up with the whole 12/4/71 show. I love that Felt Forum run.

Happy listening, DeadLand!

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I love towards the end when Bob says, "Everybody turn around and dig the sunset" (or something along those lines)... For some reason I can visualize that moment...... last show before that end of the year tour that is so famous.... On a side not just got The Ritz shows 1/27 & 1/28/86 in mail. Wasn't suppose to come until saturday. Going to listen to first and then Feyline... Bob t

P.S. just remembered it Bob's dig the sunset might not be on the Miller version, on my cassette tape that I listened to a 1000 times on my sony walkman!!!!

Can only imagine where they might of gone if they hadn’t lost Brentski? How long would they have rode the crest of the wave.... Here’s to Brent, (imagine my toast held high....ok, it’s only emer-gen-cy , but it’s still a toast!)

6/21/89: well, the word that kept coming up was fickle, this show is all over the place. Poor Bob can’t get a break which seems to mess with his mojo until at least Cassidy? Maybe even not fully until second set? Jerry has a couple flubs early on like TOG, but more than makes up for it with hot versions of many songs, and like most of summer 89 he’s smiling and dancing, and he and Brent look like a couple of kids in love, beautiful to watch, especially after the permanent chin glued to the chest years....Clarence does better than I remember, but you can tell he’s mostly winging it, which is hard to do with Dead music. If your a muscian who’s played this music live, and have ever had a neophyte sit in, perhaps you know what I mean?
That is to say, nothing against the big man, as the majority of folks I’ve seen sit in have the same scenario except on easier, we’ll known tunes like say NFA etc... The Dead are just so unique that it’s not easy to wing it, even fir them sometimes! Lol
So though I consider it a good show, compared to many of the great shows of summer 89, I still don’t feel it’s top shelf where mama hides the cookies...which is like saying it’s only a BMW and not a Porsche!
Speaking of 89, really looking forward to the SS Friday with 9/29/89! Never heard this one and of course we get the big reveal, and it will be interesting to see how this falls within the spectrum of Summer to Fall 89?
Did superficial 4/16/84 yesterday. About how I (didn’t) remember it, meaning similar to above, good show, but not sure I’d say top tour echelon? Might try today’s 73 pick and 4/17/84 as I need to get caught up at work so need the motivation! Well, nothing to it but to do it!....Rock on mi amigos!

EDIT: somewhere someone started a shoe song list....how bout Sailin’ Shoes, by......wait for it.....Little Feet (cue rom shot)

Hi-Ya

Happy Belated Birthday Otis, sounds like you did it up right.
Welcome Back.

Got the Jerry Acoustic CDs Volume 14 and Bonus and am digging them.
The sound quality is excellent and the performances are real enjoyable.

Due to my obsessive Grateful Dead collecting and the investment that requires, I’ve pretty much avoided most of the solo stuff as my time and means are limited.

That being said, this one peaked my interest due to the GD material covered and the bonus CD.
I’m a sucker for limited edition bonus CDs.
So I bit and now I might’ve got bit back.

While listening I decided to look into what else was out there in regards to Garcia & Kahn acoustic performances. And yeah, that’s a whole other wormhole that appears pretty deep.

Kinda blown away with some of my (new to me, old to some) discoveries, for instance if you look at the number of performances Jerry played in ’82, when you combine his Grateful Dead touring with his solo projects.. God Damn I declare! I’m amazed with his output. Especially when you consider ’82, as far as I understand it, Jer was beginning to really struggle with addiction issues. How he managed to play / work this much is truly remarkable and a credit to his strength and determination to create music. Impressive to say the least.

That brings me to my tie in, looking at the Jerry solo stuff, I stumbled on the 11/28/73 Jerry Garcia, Mickey, Phil & Ned Lagin stuff that’s floating around out there. Some truly trippy excursions into weirdness. Digging it.

And lo, when I look at the pick today, it’s 11/25/73.

Cool…

Hey Oroborous, you mentioned tomorrow night we get the big reveal during the SS. What are you referring to?

Good to see you GOGD. Thought maybe you were trapped out in Portland.

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Absolute insanity going on in this Country and my hometown.

Meanwhile I was deep in the throes of the Fillmore West 1969 Box set after the 3/2/69 pick and needed to listen to all of it. Desert Island Dead during my Desert Island Pandemic Reality.

This Darkness has got to give.

But it's nice to be missed :)

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Deadvikes: reveal meaning the first Death Don’t...I’m really stoked for this show!

GOGD: yeah was worried you got caught up in all that madness in P town etc, I mean if the Government is just plucking citizens off the street in unmarked vans etc, well who’s more subversive than us rabble rousing hippies lol.....(think loud angry cop voice “sir, we need you to step away from that tape deck and put your hands in the air, and drop that weapon immediately”......aaaaaa, ya mean this joint?? Lol.

Now if we could only find Four Winds Blow........and David Duryea (sp?)
And dammit Dave, what about Gainesville!

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VGUY: A million times prior to now, but not since this stuff started happening. Covid concerns.

OB - Hahaha that's a roger. LOL. Step away from the tape deck sir.. and what's that you're holding? At least weed is legal here now. Shit is crazy.

Definitely a Shakedown Street to avoid.

And a Shakedown Stream to look forward too.

I edited out the rest of this to keep it on point of the music and good times.

Happy to talk state of the nation elsewhere :)

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

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Looking forward to that Oroborous.

I will stay away from the hate. I don't come to this place for that crap.

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Listened to Garcia 14 first.... Feyline is good from start to finish.... No giant jam but you get a set ending Playing, then an around and around followed by Eyes into Weather Report, (50 plus minutes for 4 songs) so you sort of get the jammed out feeling.... have a good night everyone.... bob t

There's a few of us here that have tapped into quite the collection of Jerry stuff, talking about the unreleased stuff.

Bet you know who we are and where to find us, but there is a good bit of acoustic Jerry and John stuff floating around.

In fact.. I need to double check my facts, but I think my first Jerry Show was Jerry and John at the Lisner Auditorium in DC circa 82 or 83??? I remember it being a short show but quite good.

Anyway.. not an empty offer, Jerry stuff does exist.

Not sure what's in the pipeline for later this week, but there is interest for more 84 and 85, I've been going there in my free time lately....

Thanks Jim!

Noted for sure.

Have you checked out the 11/28/73 Jerry Mickey & Ned?

Wild stuff. I was digging the supposed Tarot outtakes filler.

This 11/25/73 PITB ain’t bad either.

I need to explore some more. There’s so
much good stuff!

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Wow- I'm just listening to this for the first time now. I love this stuff! - thanks GOGD for the tip! Great spacey relaxing music. Perfect for reading or a stressful day at work. I listen to compilations of Spring 90 drums/space when I need relaxing background music. Now I can also listen to this 11/28/73 stuff!

I'm looking forward to the new Garcia/Kahn. I saw 3 shows from one of their 84 tours but haven't listened to hardly any Garcia/Kahn since. I certainly loved the shows I saw, though.

p.s., edit, I assume 11/28/73 is from THE one and only Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco?! Such a beautiful special place by the ocean. I visited it as a tourist!!

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Far out stuff huh Gollum?

Stoked you’re diggin’ it. I enjoyed stumbling on that this am. I was goin’ places. Endless treasures!

Just like those ‘86 Jerry shows.
35 years of collecting and still finding new stuff everyday.

Watching the 6/21/89 estimated with Clarence now. Yet Another treasure, more familiar with this one, but it’s been so long it’s kinda new again.

Good stuff, Fun sharing :)

Edit - yep, the palace of fine arts, although there’s a bunch of debate about the dates of all the material. Some of it from that date pretty certain, maybe not all. Supposedly Phil mixed it in quadrophonic stereo... wooo