Dave’s Picks Volume 35: Philadelphia Civic Center, Philadelphia, PA 4/20/84

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July 16, 2020 - 9:34am

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clayv

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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August 18, 2020 - 4:23pm

#1081

proudfoot

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Now and again these things just got to be...

said:

"What about Gainesville?"

That would be a good daves36
August 18, 2020 - 3:21pm

#1082

Dan in DE

Joined:
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Dave's Picks 35

I have to say that 3rd disc was trancendal. Driving to work this morning into a very thick cloud bank, and that Morning Dew came on. It seemed so relevant at the time almost made me late for work. The double Chuck Berry and the China Cat wasn't shabby either.
August 18, 2020 - 2:57pm

#1083

cub

Joined:
March 20, 2008

Dolby B, C or off with Sony D-6

I first started recording shows with a simple setup. Nakamichi 300 shotgun's and a Sony D-6 cassette. I was taught that we should record with Dolby B switched ON and play-back with it switched OFF. I made many metal masters this way and today I play them back on a home Denon cassette deck or the original Sony. They sound fine with little or no hiss. I found that using Dolby C was too much. This is what parts of disc 1 sound like to me.
August 18, 2020 - 12:55pm

#1084

billy the kid

Joined:
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Grateful Dead 1972. It Hurts Me Too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BBCGLBYlbSo. I think the Dead were at their peak in 1972 when Pig Pen was still in the band. 1970 or 1972, it's hard to say. When it comes to slide playing , Garcia is my favorite. I'm. waiting for some beer to arrive, I ordered some online from the Humble Sea Brewery in Santa Cruz , Calif, they are supposed to make some great beer. I can't wait to try it.
August 18, 2020 - 12:53pm

#1085

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Why they do it...

I think it’s to ensure they get a fixed, definitive number of sales for the series. Currently at 22K, which seems to be proper as the last 2 didn’t sell out immediately, which helps those that want to go ala carte.
But perhaps the real problems is the limited edition factor. They use FOMO to cause a panic, both with the limited addition and the bonus disc. Sure the (supposedly guaranteed copy), the bonus disc and reduced shipping are the carrot to go subscription, but I think the Road Trip and Download series were a disappointment to them. I think their worried that if they only go ala carte, sales could occasionally be so low they’d loose money...or they probably wouldn’t take chances on some shows and only go with the usual.
I’m sure that would make many happy, but I bet there’d be enough folks turned away by a limited distribution model that the overall bottom line would suffer too much.
As far as the “B” shows, I think their trying to cover as much ground as possible to shut those of us up who’ve complained about the lack of variety, though it does make it easier for them to control the flow of “A” shows by doling them out slower using these other shows. I think Jim has a theory about that with bigger box sets too: throw a show or 2 in the mix that might not be overwhelming on its own etc...
Remember, their trying to make as many people happy as possible, never an easy task: sure some folks only dig say 60s early seventies for example, but what about folks who only like later eras? I think it’s a mix of what market trends are strongest, while trying to occasionally cast a wider net, dependent on what tapes are usable, and of course implementing as many of the returned ABCD stuff as they can to recoup the costs. I think there is a “taper” bias that Dave suffers from too that probably plays into it, but as he’s alluded too, I don’t think it’s just him making the final decisions. I’m guessing he’s more of an R&D guy?

Personally, I think that for the lousy Hundo or whatever the sub costs, it’s not that big a deal, and if you don’t like a pick you can easily pass it on or sell it. To me, even 2 killers shows and bonus, with1 or 2 “lesser” (personally I think they all have something to offer but I know that’s not necessarily the majority here) is still a pretty good deal comparatively.

I can understand folks across the pond being turned off by not only the extra tax BS, but more importantly the not knowing how much it’ll be as there seems to be less consistency with that, and shipping in general! I think the chaos, stress, and not knowing are the hardest part. This is supposed to be fun, not some stress fest about if, when, and how something not only you really dig, but paid for, is even going to show up, and if/when it does some government wanker holds it for ransom! Things have definitely changed for the worst the last few years BEFORE the vid, or Agent Orange etc...that’s just made it worse....
So what to do about it?

I still say they should eliminate the limited additions, and go pre-sale. That way they can run however much production an individual show requires, plus a few more for latecomers. People who want the show can get it, those that don’t can pass, and the corporation never should lose money (they just might not always make as much profit?)

So that, plus give us other shipping options, and figure out how to fix the European tax BS!
Just a thought....surely I’m wrong.
August 18, 2020 - 11:49am

#1086

Colin Gould

Joined:
September 15, 2009

Subscription

They have me as long as they keep doing it and I keep breathing. In my more lucid moments I think that the GD were a bar band they got lucky, but when I listen to the music there are a few minutes in every release that are transcendent which make the listening worthwhile so I’ll keep buying.
August 18, 2020 - 11:43am

#1087

unkle sam

Joined:
October 3, 2008

I concur Daverock

Never really liked the subscription thing either, why don't the powers that be tell us up front what's next and let us make an informed decision as to what we want when it comes to shows? I think the whole bonus disc thing is just a way to get folks to buy the subscription, and the limited edition thing too. So you get #3 and #4 without knowing what they will be and they can pass off shows that are not really up to par as far as a stand alone release. So for your 100 bucks you get two shows and a bonus disc that you know are good shows, then the last two can be hit or miss. Makes me think they have more par or subpar shows than top notch shows to release. Sound wise more likely than performance wise, I've always said most any dead show is better than whats on the airwaves.
August 18, 2020 - 11:33am

#1088

unkle sam

Joined:
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Right on Mr. Freak

couldn't have said it better and you nailed what the Grateful Dead are all about. I also think that at a particular time in space that certain version on that particular day is what triggers a synapse in your brain and you akin it to euphoria? You love that feeling and you want it again and again, so that particular version on that day is the "one" to you.
I can also relate to the times I was dosed and certain shows would play and they would stay with me and the relistening of those certain songs in that order sometimes would allow me to slip back to that moment when the light was turned on and the love for that version of that tune was implanted.
I don't know but I've been told....
4-7-91 GD live in Orlando
4-8-91 see above
4-9-91 what a great run this show was an add on after the first two sold out in 20 mins. back in the day when you waited in line to get your tickets, camped out overnite at the ticket vendor to get first in lineies. those were the days.
August 18, 2020 - 11:33am

#1089

Colin Gould

Joined:
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JIMINMD

Yes, mine arrived at c. 11:30am on 18th August in NW England between Liverpool and Manchester. GMT is 5 hours ahead of EST at the moment so about 6:30am your time. I’ll let it sit for a couple of days before playing it.
August 18, 2020 - 11:22am

#1090

daverock

Joined:
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Why?

Its presumably a money making ploy.. but I wonder why they can't release specific shows, individually and advertised before hand, so we know what we are being offered. Then we wouldn't be paying for ones we don't want. I get the impression, reading the posts on here, that most people would buy most releases. If they wouldn't, why manipulate them into buying what they don't want through this subscription system, with only two shows announced at the time its necessary to subscribe? I've done it since day one...but its getting a bit worn-especially with the hidden charges already alluded to.

John Perry Barlow

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Thank God I dont have medicine....

....to keep me alive via the mail.
Taps head.
The fact that this virus is a political stance to begin with is pathetic. Fuck.
Look up the postmaster generals wiki. There you go.
This matters because we want our Daves.

@ VGUY

You are of course entitled to your opinion. Believe the union president or take in the news and see what's happening. I don't work for the usps but interact with them daily. They are doing a damn good job all things considered.
I don't mean to start a fight but I felt the need to stand up for people doing a hard job under very difficult circumstances.

@snafu....

....we've disagreed before. But I agree that there are factors that we cannot control. That needs to change.
Difficult circumstances....

SNAFU / USPS

I'm not denigrating the USPS...they're just doing as instructed. I have much respect for them and think the Postal Service is still one of the best, if not the best in the world.

mailing

I think the biggest hold up is the mail innovation. They seem to send out "sent" notices when the word is given to ups. They then have to label and mail. I think they hold everything until the truck going somewhere is filled. You in the backwater, 400 packages a week, may take a week to fill. NYC, maybe trucks going everyday. Also UPS don't work no weekends. Mine got to UPS local Friday, but USPS won't see till Monday, Post Office will have it here next day!

Just for a chuckle, order new slippers from New Zealand got here in 1 week.

Bob had a line that spoke of his time there I believe....

The only decent thing I did when I worked as a postal clerk
Was to haul your picture down off the wall near the cage where I used to work

Owsley Stanley foundation mailings

When I ordered the Comander Cody release from Bear's Sonic Journals,back in July, I received that in a week at the most. They get their stuff out real fast. I believe Im going to adopt one of their reels. I have had nothing but great service from them, and always a great product.

Phil Lesh Worked for the USPS in the Early 60's

...and the place ran like a well-oiled machine...coincidence?

And Billy the Kid....

Listened to 8/2/69 while I cleaned up my garage today...enjoyable show, great sound quality, excellent suggestion.

argh

It was more enjoyable getting stitched up in the ER this morning..

Then reading some of the political banter here. Glad you enjoy it. I'd rather gargle with cheap tequila mixed with broken glass. To most of us its a buzzkill.

Salt Lake City....

....here we come. A new pitstop for me.

Salt Lake no kidding

so it used to be somewhere in Tenn was where this journey would start...from there to Ohio to Phoenix to Flagstaff and then to me...for the first time ever it started in Carlsbad, CA and went to Salt Lake City...why it didn't go from Carlsbad directly to Phoenix I have no idea...this in itself will add two, maybe three days to getting it still...oh well...

@ dennis

I do a lot of business with ebay and amazon. I think the issue is with the seller. All the services mark it shipped when the seller notifies them they printed a lable. Ebay sellers are usually very good. But some are doozies. One guy marked an item as shipped then didn't give it to the po for 3 weeks. With all these delivery companies business is way up ( yes the most definitely jobs to be had) but for obvious reasons already mentioned they're having a tough time making goals
One other thing we all need to look in the mirror. We are so used to instant gratification we get freaked out if we don't have it now. That includes me.

5 Blasters

Last 5, I think.....

Stay Sick - The Cramps -"keep the rewards, I'd just as soon stay sick"-fine advice.
Baggy Rehearsals CD 1 and 2 - Jimi Hendrix
Magick Brother Mystic Sister - Daevid Allen and Gilli Smyth
Spice Doubt - Ozric Tentacles -vey aromatic, this one.
and last but not least
Complete Recordings 1929-1934 CDs 1 and 2 - Charley Patton - a few snap crackles and pops on these-but if you can tune in you get transported to another world. Amazing.

Dark Star 8/3/69. Family Dog

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_fM3wzLNhU. Nice Dark Star. Charles Lloyd plays saxophone and David Laflamme plays violin. I sure hope we get a 1969 box set one day

First class mail. Is another…

First class mail. Is another version of priority. You guys should start using first class.

Wooh! Checked the UPS…

Wooh! Checked the UPS tracking site this AM and i finally see updated location info for my #9274... should get to me in a couple days. That is a big refreshing SIGh of relief

8-3-69

very good show, great guests, always liked David Laflamme's violin 🎻 Great sb on archive, pick of the day?
Last five
see above
Montrose
Jade Warrior 1st & 2nd
David Bowie Aladdin Sane
Tangerine Dream In Search of Hades "Oedipus Tyrannus"
Randy California and Ed Cassidy Potatoland

Shipping

Like others my DAP has been sitting in Fontana, CA since the day it shipped last week. Same thing happened with WMD 50th, ended up taking 10 days to get to me.

Just for reference I ordered GarciaLIve 14, and I think I got it in 3 days. Don’t think it is USPS, probably Warner cutting costs.

Reminisces of Ventura...

Thanks Billy for bringing up the Ventura Anniversary dates....always had a blast...the '82 shows allowed camping in the parking lot and it was a wild scene as can be imagined...we had friends who had rooms at the nearby Holiday Inn which we made our base to shower etc...after that the folks I would go with camped at McGrath State Beach down the road in Oxnard...we had reserved campsites for five spots in '86 when the news broke about Jerry's illness...since we had folks from all over the country driving/flying in we decided just to go and invade the campground anyway...we drove in and set up on Thursday the 11th and stayed through Monday the 14th...Lots of others had the same idea so the campground rocked all weekend...one funny moment occured when I was walking with some of the Ladies to one of the restroom/shower areas and an elderly woman stopped me and asked very politely "Excuse me Sir but i can't help but notice there are a lot of you folks here wearing the same kind of T-shirts...are you some sort of club?" I told her "Yes Ma'am...we're a musical appreciation society gathered for the weekend"...she put her hand on my forearm and said "Oh how nice"...great great moment...Musically 7-18-82 had a great shimmering "Crazy Fingers" that I will never forget....

Shipping

My attempt at tracking gives this message

‘UPS could not locate the shipment details for this tracking number. Details are only available for shipments made within the last 120 days. Please verify your information.’

As I said yesterday any time in August will be great. At least my previous DaP’s have eventually arrived which isn’t the case for everyone. Of course, dead.net have us all over a barrel since they are the only source of the music.

To be fair, my Garcialive #14 was shipped on 17th July and tracking did nothing until 25th and 26th. Since then it has gone quiet. I expect it will turn up eventually.

Guten Morgen, liebe Totenkopfen

4/20/84 should arrive this week...maybe even today.

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Nappy Rags / Ventura

Ventura was a blast, it was a non stop party. The Dead played alot of cool places in the 1980s , Ventura , Frost, Greek , Warfield, and the Marin Civic Center. I bet they played a lot of nice places back East, I never went further east than Nevada to see the Dead.

Don't Have Time For The Pain

I don't know where my Dave's 35 is, but I got PLENTY of things to listen to(too many if you ask my wife!!)
I don't see a second box set this year(but maybe American Beauty will fit the(duck) bill.

Last 5:
Judy Henske & Jerry Yester-Farewell Aldebaran
Willie Nelson-Shotgun Willie(So Good!!)
Joe Beck & David Sanborn-Beck & Sanborn(CTI Label)
Bill Frisell/Jim Hall-Hemispheres
Mighty Baby-Day Of The Soup

Not gonna let anyone take my joy away.

Making progress

Tracking now reports that my DaP35 is in Ohio.

Jerry Sandals?

Anyone know anyone who won the Jerry Sandals on Saturday?

Colin - re: Tracking

My tracking info for both Dave's Picks 35 & GarciaLive 14 is identical to yours.

For Dave's Picks 35 UPS reports: "UPS could not locate the shipment details for this tracking number. Details are only available for shipments made within the last 120 days. Please verify your information."

And for GarciaLive #14 it was shipped on 17th July and tracking subsequently showed some action on 25th, then 26th when it departed the processing center.

I guess there is nothing to be done but tough it out.

American Beauty

Has anybody actually said that the anniversary of American Beauty will be coming out this year? In a way, it would make sense to hold it back until next year.
I assumed that 3/1/69 would be coming out on vinyl for RSD this year on the strength of 2/27 and 2/28 coming out the previous two years. Completely wrong. Unfortunately. But its not always easy to second guess what will happen next on the strength of what has happened in the past.

3/1/69 vinyl. American Beauty

Maybe they are waiting for 2/28/69 to sellout , before they put out 3/1/69. I would think that American Beauty would come out in Oct since its original release date was in November, but you are going to have a Dave's Pick come out in Oct, so who knows.

Guten Abend Lieber Totenkopf Freund Proudfoot

you're so funny. Seems you're on the positive side.
Mine changed to: Shipment information received by UPS Mail Innovations.
Whatever that means?
Still waiting for Dap 33 and 34.
Du hast es gut mein Freund, alles Gute!
Gerd

Tracking update...

Less than 2 hours after I checked the status of my Dave's Picks 35 order and UPS couldn't locate the shipment details, the order has been processed and is on it's way to a UPS facility. Moving real slow, but moving...

"Mister Blutarsky, Zero...Point...Zero"

0.0--The exact equivalent of my productivity this week. How does Boss Wormer expect me to telework this week with hockey on TV...all...damn...day?!?

Can they see my beer bottle and weed on this Zoom call? Did I just say that out loud?

Utah Arrival

One of the benefits of living a stones-throw from Salt Lake City....

DP35 # 20002 / 22000 arrived safe and sound

Still waiting on 33 and 34?

Das ist doch eine grosse Schade.

That is certainly a big shame.

I wish I could help. Really, why do Europe Deadheads get screwed over so often?

"Finally got my mail order tickets for the Fall 91 tour." - Gunther in Frankfurt, 8 3 20.

Jimi Hendrix just told me:

"Just ask the Axis. He knows everything."

Hopefully he knows why delivering small packages of value to Europe is such a Gordian knot of process.

What Made Stoltzfus Change To Proudfoot

and why is Gunther sending you tickets from '91?
Frankfurt is about in my neighborhood.
Would he also send tickets to Stolzgerd?
G.

84

I for one am looking forward to a good sounding and hot 80's show. Nice change of pace.

Stoltzfus to proudfoot

Truth is, a few days ago this site started not accepting my usual log in. So I got a gmail account and am now proudfoot.

"stoltzfus" is German for "proudfoot", for inquiring minds.

Gunther just now put his extras in the mail to Stolzgerd

They should arrive in 2027.

;)

Proudfoot

I'm not used to such fast deliveries.
Thanks
Gerd

Tracking

It says mine was in Carlsbad on Friday. I wished they had called me, I could have picked it up. But it's gone now.

1984

My copy just arrived in Bensenville, I reckon by covered wagon. For all I know its somewheres betwixt Springfield and Shelbyville.

Outspoken

I encourage everyone to say whatever they want regardless of topic and express themselves freely. I enjoy all of you, even when you get a little salty. Our little forum here is a microcosm of society at large, even if it's usually a bit more pleasant than that.

The crux of the biscuit is the music of the Grateful Dead, and Jerry Garcia. But read an interview with Garcia or any of the guys in the band; it always ends up being a free-from improvisation that goes anywhere and everywhere, just like their music.

I see no reason why this forum should be any more controlled, restricted or censored than the actual source. Of course, deliberately being hurtful or hateful cannot be encouraged, but IMO all else is fair game.

Be well everyone.

\m/

Fair game....

....Vegas Golden Knights won today 5-3. Twas a fair game.
I wish the MLB all the best, but they are screwing it up.

I disagree

Back and forth politics? Anywhere but here. It never ends well. Take it to facebook or send PMs. You can say what you want here and no one is going to censor you for the most part.. but it's deflating to read political points and counter points haplessly snuck into a Dave's Picks thread. It's too far off topic and it turns most people off. It's the written, posted form of Brown Acid. Write it down, keep a journal.. save it up.. and bring it to your next Thanksgiving dinner with the in-laws after a few bottles of wine where it belongs.

Any other topic less human sex trafficking and serial murders is welcome.

Tell me again why political banter belongs here and why we all come here to read about your political views?

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Square peg, round hole.

Square pegged in the round hole

Yee-ouch

The world is so fucked up.

Politics or not.

That's why I love the GD and living in WA. The things that keep me on this Earth.

Acoustic Throwing Stones. 12/4/88

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VL0NSk8_50s. I believe this was at Neil Youngs Bridge concert.

In praise of tolerance

I don't mind what people post on here. If I don't like the look of something, I just whizz past it. I can't ever remember being angry or annoyed about anything anyone's posted on here. Apart from when one poster is intentionally rude towards another. But I have probably been guilty of that myself in the past.

I wonder if lockdown has impacted on the type and range of subjects put forward for discussion. Certainly, my opportunities for talking to people face to face have reduced drastically over the last 4 months. Being single and having no family in the country ( as well as being an awkward bastard) it might well be next Sunday when I next speak to someone. So what I might once have said face to face might now spill out to an unexpected person- the postman for example- or on a forum not designed for that topic. Maybe we should all give each other a bit of leeway-at all times-but never more so than now.

Pre-shipment info

USPS has been notified by UPS that UPS has a package with my name on it that they need to hand off to USPS.
Waiting for the hand off......

UPS, just call an audible and bring it directly to me. I know you are capable, your brown trucks come down my street everyday and my dog barks at them.

@ ice cream kid

Haha. My dog used to bark at the ups guy all the time. Then I started giving him a treat every time. He started spinning in circles at the front door

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