Good ole Grateful Dead The List
Thanks for the great information about the vault, your information always is well thought out and reliable. I would love a list of shows that are in the vault, it looks like you would too. I posted a couple of weeks ago that I wish Dead.net would print out such a list so that we could see it. They could print out one list a month for one year (list of the month). I think that people would really look forward to that list each month, I know I would. If people want to remain surprised about what's in the vault , then they don't have to look at the list. Again, thanks for all the great information you put out, your postings are always so interesting and positive.
1970 Acoustic Stuff
I wonder what the Alfred College stuff would sound like if they cleaned it up. That's a decent full show with an acoustic set. I always liked that one, but it's an East coast college with a terrific emphasis in art and ceramics of all kinds.. so to me it has good karma.
https://archive.org/details/gd1970-05-01.sbd.miller.95683.sbeok.flac16
There's other spring 1970 stuff as many have mentioned somewhat recently.
Agree with Billy.. right on.
Billy The Kid & The List
Thanks!
Wasn't sure if I was shouting into the wind, so your positive feedback is much appreciated :)
As for The List, yes, yes, yes!
I'd love that and I'd even help do it ;)
I saw you mention that earlier and think it's a great idea.
I've been fascinated with the story of the tapes since I got my first one.
As it was handed to me, I asked "For Free?" and the response was "Yeah man, never sell them that's against the rules."
This strange occurrence in the middle of the decade of greed, blew my 15 year old brain wide open.
I've been fascinated ever since:
1. Where do these recordings come from?
2. How many are there?
3. How can I get the best copies of them all?
Those three questions & my curiosity about the answers continues to inspire me to this very day.
What A Long Strange Trip It's Been!
EDIT: JimInMD, agreed! Funny you mentioned 5/1/70 that was another one of Bob Minkin's cleverly chosen photographs, the master reels of that show appeared on the same page. Collector Heads are really really pretty neat.
GOGD-1980 Box
Thanks for posting that link. I watched the whole thing and my dreams are dashed. Well shit, why did they erase the tapes!
It was interesting that later someone asked what show some of the songs came from on Dead Set and Dave said, great question, we don't know. And they made major edits to some of the songs.
I guess it is time for me to move on from that. I am bummed, because those full shows would have been a huge treat in Multi Track.
I am sure glad the vault is filled with other treasures.
Be well all!
Popped The Tabs
ICECRMCNKD - haha no doubt!
DeadVikes - Sorry about dashing those dreams, and yeah that's a fact filled interview, lotsa stuff to process.
If it makes you feel any better some of my dreams were dashed as well, 1970 is such an epic year, I'd always hoped there was more hiding somewhere, but after watching that, I'm not so sure.
David Lemieux you must see the Festival Express tapes safely delivered to the Vault, this is our most desperate hour. Help me Vault@Dead.net, you're my only hope.
Droid noises in the background.
You must learn the ways of the Force if you're to come with me to the Vault.
All this 1980's talk is making me want to listen to some of that stuff, might have to try and pick one of the existing full SBD shows for a revisit, 10/30 & 10/31, I'm looking at you.
DaP 35 has arrived.
I got some listening to do, I'm way behind. Too much research and not enough music is making me a very dull boy.
You must do what you feel is right. Learn about the force.
10/30/80, 10/31/80
GOGD,
Sounds like a good idea. 10/30 tomorrow?
My #35 still not in system. I thought I would have it by this weekend, but it now looking like mid August. Interested in what you all think of the release?
Darn!
Weird, that post reminds me of something I was thinking... but with an element of danger.
And the site is laggy.. it’s out of date on my computer but up to speed on my phone. Trippy shit!
What about a twofer? 10/30/80 Wednesday & 10/31/80 Thursday?
Just an idea. Jim you gotta do both tomorrow ;)
10/31/80
10/31 is on YouTube.. most if it is on Dead Ahead too.. with comedy from Franken and Davis and a wonderful cameo from Dr. Henry Kissinger.
True story.. once upon a time I used to spend a good bit of each week on an airplane getting from here to there and back again (or not) for work. In my peak I flew so much it was almost an auto upgrade to first class. One Monday morning.. I was on the early flight from National Airport / DC to LaGuardia / NY and was seated next to Dr. Kissinger. I felt like asking him if he was making a bootleg recording of our conversation.. Anyway.. that was a trip. Probably circa 2005 to 2010. He was ancient even back then but still pretty sharp. I just googled him to see if he was still alive, he is.. @ 97 years old. We had a brief conversation and I seem to recall he was not particularly into small talk. So we had coffee together and read the paper on our 50 minute flight.
Dammit Henry, give me that tape!!
10/30/80, 10/31/80
Yes, sounds like a great idea. 10/30/80 tomorrow and 10/31/80 on Thursday.
Oh and they recorded both nights on video for Dead Ahead. Is that still in the Vault. I would think so since they added the bonus footage when they released the DVD.
Classic Jim, you and Henry Kissinger! Good stuff.
Lemieux link
Thanks GOGD for that Lemieux link. That was a nice blast from the past. That was before the two Spring 77 boxes and the Cornell Betty boards were still missing. I remember back then I didn't care much about Cornell or 77 shows in general. That's all changed now. I've seen the 1977 light!
Jim and Kissinger! That's nutty. Maybe that's the closest a Deadhead ever got to Kissinger? Nutty.
I ran into Tim Burton in Vegas....
....no. I literally ran into Tim Burton. Drinks were spilled. Clothes were stained.
Incredible director and filmmaker and I have been known to be a big fan. Unless I'm not in the mood.
Epilogue....He patted me on the shoulder and continued on.
I must have killed the thread
It's my fault. I'm so sorry...
Back to your regularly scheduled Heaven Help the Fool > Ripple. It's a classic.
10/30/80
Spent some time with 10/30/80 today. So, I listened to the SBD, the first option on Relisten. The vocals are somewhat muddled, especially Jerry's. Not a Miller transfer. And I will of course admit I am not a pro when it comes to the archive. I mostly stick to the official releases, as I am sure like most of you, I had probably too many rough sounding tapes growing up. And no, I don't listen to them anymore. Why would I, I have over 200 shows from the Vault. Spent way more than I should have on some of them, but that is okay.
Interested in what you all think of 10/30/80 and if there is a better version, please let me know.
10/31/80 on tap for tomorrow. What is the best version on the archive?
We are still thriving Jim.
Be well folks.
Don't climb on the fence idiot!!!!
Happy anniversary 8/6/74... Love the Uncle John's Band from this show....... Another China Doll that never was...... be good everyone.. bob t
Love Dicks Picks 31
Loved it since the day I opened the shrink wrap.
Thanks for the reminder Bob.. might make it's way into my mid morning bike ride.
10/30 & 10/31/80
Hi Ya,
DeadVikes, for 10/30/80 I think this is the best source in circulation (there's only 4 currently) -
https://archive.org/details/gd1980-10-30.139599.sbd.bershaw.flac16
10/31/80 is a different story, but this source that appeared in 2018 is pretty cool as it has all the skits and interviews etc and I think it's the most balanced, not 100% on that -
https://archive.org/details/gd1980-10-31.140416.sbd.bershaw.flac16
Like Jim was saying a lot of this show was released on Dead Ahead, I think the majority of Set 2, which is burned into my brain from the VHS tape which we played like once a week BITD.. but yeah I dug this recording yesterday.
Some dated "humor" but.. as a historical document, pretty much complete.
And what a classic show, not sure if it's just because we listened to it so many times, but they feel like definitive 1980s versions of Don't Ease, Lost > Saint, Franklin's, Fire On The Mountain all in there natural setting.. The best stuff got selected for the movie, but it's fun to hear it all together as it happened.
I did expect this FOTM to transition into GSET ala Dead Set, props to Betty she created that transition with razor blades and tape.. Wow!
Alright, I did 10/31/80 yesterday, gonna try and do 10/30 today.
Also got DaP V35.. it's sounding good, hope you all get it in time for the weekend.
Be Well All!
EDIT: BOB T you had to mention 8/6/74.. Doh! 5 songs released = 1 hour 8 minutes of need to revisit Dead.
Damn, they've released soooo much stuff at this point, just watching that 2012 interview with DL kinda put it in perspective. As far as Dead music goes, this is the best time ever to collect the Grateful Dead!
Halloween 1980...
... got me howling at the moon! Thanks, GOGD for the link to the show with all of the skits and stuff! Makes for a pretty fun listen!
Still waiting on Dave's 35...
Peace
Icecrmcnkd-
I was at all 3 also.... I have great pictures from the next night!!! Looking forward to tonight's show.... Birdsong is 16 minutes!!! bob t
Shakedown Stream
Looking forward to the last Shakedown Stream. Conekid and Bob t, you guys were there. That is great. Maybe we will see you all in the crowd.
Who has a pick for today?
Shakedown Stream
I blocked out the time to enjoy it.
I think we can pick BobT and Cone Kid out from the crowd.. BobT is the guy hanging on the sharp-wired fence getting stern looks from Bobby. Cone Kid is the one walking lost and aimlessly through the crowd with the rainbow colored ice cream cone that seemingly never melts..
Shakedown stream Tinley Park
Best tickets I ever got from mail order was this run. I was in grad school in Illinois, we got 5th row, 3rd row and 10th row for the 3 days right in front of Bob. I feel bad for the person behind us because my friend i went with was 6' 4"!!! bob t
If you get confused just listen to the music play
10/30/80 awesome, have never listened to any of these complete shows. Great for working, nice long shows too, must of been awesome to have been there! Looking forward to 10/31 today, and of course SS this evening. Oh, and don’t forget the Meyer Sound webinar about their history with the dead going all the way back to the wall of sound before there was a Meyers sound! It really is a great time to be a DH.
Legendary Shows
Upon re-listening to these Radio City shows from 10/30 & 10/31 they are definitely a couple of high-profile gigs that the GD really lived up too.
Having known bits and pieces of these two shows from essentially the beginning of my tape collecting days, I've always wanted to listen to them in their entirety as an experience.
I remember collecting both runs from the Warfield & Radio City and being bummed that there weren't complete SBD sources available, sound quality varied tremendously between shows and tapes and that it was a real pain in the ass trying to determine what existed and what didn't and the best versions etc.
Not sure if I sat down and listened to them after I got all the shows as I was burnt out by that time. But this latest re-listen was really cool.
I'd read an article with Betty recently about the editing process of Dead Set and that planted the seed to go back and check it out, so I started with the remaster of that album. Props to Betty, she really could pick the best takes on songs the band played during a run. The Dark Star from Live Dead is a great example. It's always Betar with Betty! Dead Set was in heavy rotation in my early collecting days, it was the best sound quality & closest thing to current live Dead we could get BITD, so we played that album, and Dead Ahead VHS tape ALL THE TIME in high school. And I love those versions of these songs.
I followed up Dead Set with the full recording including sketches of 10/31 on Wednesday and then 10/30 yesterday. I decided to Watch set 3, the first half released as bonus material on Dead Ahead remaster and the 2nd part available on YouTube (thanks JimInMD & DeadVikes for the reminder). Man if you haven't checked it out, DO! You gotta see Drums with Billy Cobham to get the full effect, it's awesome, Kreutzmann is freaking out.
Really enjoyed that whole trip and these are some really solid shows, 3 full sets each night and the last two nights of this legendary tour of historic halls never to be repeated again. It might not be the Dead at their best, but it's the best Dead we have, so dig it. 10/30/80 On The Road Again is the definitive version and Jerry's call and response gets me every time.
Listening to the opening of 10/31 you can imagine the tension as the band deals with technical difficulties when they hit the stage and are filming a live TV Simulcast (A first at the time?, rare for sure). I mean this is 40 years ago, I know what happened and I was still feeling nervous for them as Phil's gear squawks and squeaked. And what happens? Epic versions of Heaven Help The Fool & Sage & Spirit (last time for each?) that's the magic right there! That's the stuff I love.
Highly recommend a couple of supplemental videos, the famous Press Conference for these shows (I guess it's you and me bub, I mean Bob), and Bob & Jerry's appearance on GMA, they're both a real treat and they really set the shows up in the proper context.
Alright, lots of good stuff here. Thanks for tripping with me, this has been on my to do list for awhile, and I really enjoyed it.
Who here saw these shows? Stories?
OB: Thanks for the Meyer Sound webinar tip, looking forward to checking that out.
As for pick today, take your pick! Catch up on 10/30 & 10/31 if you haven't already, Listen to DaP V35 if you have it already, or there's the DiP V31 stuff BobT pointed out, which is epic. And we got the final Shakedown Stream tonight of 7/21/90. Wowee.
Happy Friday All!
7-21,22-90
My 3rd and 4th shows. Like a fool I didn’t go on the 23rd because I had a job. Which I missed that day anyway and had to call in ‘sick’ from a pay phone at a rest area on I-57 north of Kankakee.
On the 21st I was just outside the gate when the music started. They had pulled closed tall chain link gates because people were trying to sneak in. So we were standing there, with legit tickets, waiting to get in. Finally got in and had to squeeze in on the lawn.
Traffic was a disaster that day, complete traffic jam on I-80. I know someone who, along with hundreds of other cars, just parked on the shoulder of I-80 and ran to the venue. I think that the closure of I-80 that day, along with other problems, is why it had to be Soldier Field from then on.
Jim, your description of me is accurate, except that was 7-17-89, where I drank beer all day in the hot sun, but wasn’t old enough to buy beer inside. Didn’t eat enough food, had some paper, lost my friends, didn’t drink enough water, then about lost it when Jerry played a few notes of Close Encounters Theme during Space. But everything came back together during Gimme Some Lovin.
Awesome initiation and learning experience for me, being by myself at my 2nd show and having too much too fast. Memories......
Conekid
Lmao, you brought back many memories! Most are funny now but at the time....yeah, sometimes the hard way is the only way to learn! So Remember kids what fat Freddy says: getting drunk THEN stoned is like pissing in the wind! 3/13/81 anyone! Lol.
Especially enjoyed the “cause I had a job“ and the calling in sick from a pay phone!
Missed a few top shelf shows because of some BS job, like 7/19/89, 4/9/89, and had to do the pay phone thing several times. Forget what the trick was but there was a way to have the call go through normal without the boss knowing it was LD. Of course the hard part was getting up at the right time and finding a quiet pay phone to call in at just the right time!
Oh, and big thanks to GOGD for that awesome 2012 Dave video! Between that and his wish list from back then it’s interesting what’s been released and of course what hasn’t been but might...
Shakedown Stream
Nice seats Bob t. I will keep my eyes out for you and the crew.
Oro, pay phones
Put in 4x the amount of money so that the message to add more coins doesn’t come on during the call.
Yeah, got up too late that day, and my friends didn’t have to work so they were in no rush. Almost missed calling in sick before my shift started because I forgot that I was in central time zone and was an hour behind my job. Luckily the pay phone at the rest area wasn’t being used when I got there.
...
and I thought I had slacker employees.
These guys have it down to exactly how many quarters, nickels and dimes to add to the pay phone for a truly convincing flu.
This is really good stuff, hilarious. I wish I was hanging you guys back then. I would have taken notes and gone much further in life than I did... (not that I am complaining)
8/7/82 - do it
testing, testing - Radio High Desert here. hello Dear Friends and Fellow Travelers - hope you and your loved ones are all well. a little late - this is the anniversary of a favorite and super sweet show - Alpine 8/7/82, formally released as Dicks Picks 32. Yep, I was there, so was my youngest brother. A beautiful evening in southern Wisconsin. this and the next night, 8/8/82, with John Cippolina and Zakir Hussain mysteriously showing up on stage in America's Dairyland, were foundational, life changing. Super solid '82 1st set. Music > Sugaree > Music opener. No idea how crazy rare that was at the time. Roses / CC Rider / more Roses a-Rambling. before the show my dear brother, all of 12(?) at the time, had said he wanted to hear On The Road Again. I said "No Way, not happening." Wrong (again) - No hay way? Si, hay way! One of a handful of electric versions! Always love Althea. And a Let It Grow out in low rolling Midwest farmland??!!
But its the 2nd set, of course, that takes this to the level of "Sacred Alpine". Laying it down now - this China > Rider is flat out one of the greatest versions post hiatus. at times Jerry sounds like he's finger picking during the jam, it builds and builds and builds, and just when you think they're settling into that first verse of Rider, he and Brent go long and pull out that little pre-hiatus breakdown and it is flat out - stone - cold - gorgeous. classic great Rider, Phil and Jerry crushing it on northbound train. swinging early funky Women Smarter. Ship of Fools (always). Excellent Playing, with a sweet long jam into drums. Again, laying it down - the Wheel that emerges from the waves of Space rolling over the those dark hills and sleeping cows is without question one of the most beautiful live versions I've heard. Into a exquisite Playing reprise. And then (of course) Morning Dew. Monster version. Yep - just another Saturday Night out there in the rolling pastureland. Shook the hand with Uncle Sam. it was beautiful. A few words of caution, this had a classic Latvala caveat emptor. this is an early 80s Healy board, Phil was way higher in the shed mix then the SBD, sigh, c'est la vie, oh well. Still so very lucky to have this, like all the audience tapes and releases. Best to everybody in these difficult times. With love.
Done Deal..
And so it is.
I need to either find this CD and re-rip it or go to the archive.
I had a hard drive failure years ago.. but not to worry, I had TWO backup 650 gig Western Digital external drives.. Same model bought the same day. (shows how long ago this was, I think I am up to 8 TB's of GD/JGB/Jerry shows by now.. perhaps a little less there is other band filler that squeezes in). These things were big and seriously heavy.. they were the largest external drives you could get at the time that were plug and play...
So I plug them in and .. both backup drives failed. Apparently there was a known circuit board flaw.. by known, I mean known to everyone else but me years after I bought them, or more accurately after my work purchased them for me to backup my shit.
I re-ripped most, but not all, this one somehow fell through the cracks.. so I have motivation to find and re-rip and I have all morning to put it together. Been meaning to do this for years.....
My first show was 4/19/82.. so 82 works.
No Cumberland
..but there is a Playin' Sammy with a Morning Dew whipped cream on the top. That has to count for something.
This that and the other thing
Bluecorn: sweet! I’ve been thinking about that one lately and how it should be taken for a spin, and after your awesome summation how could I not! Right On, really enjoyed that!
DONE DEAL: dooood, that’s too f-Ed up and scary to even discuss! That’s like a Deadhead horror movie.
7/21/90: thanks for bringing that, worts and all! New shows always good. Summer 90 still good but always felt like there was a heaviness? Slight return after cruising the galaxy the what? 3, 4 previous tours? But a subtle shift....Big Jer bringing the fire though!
Really going to miss the next few weeks and kinda bummed about Thursday switch...it was our date night through this madness, the one in our 11...well, hopefully they’ll keep er rolling one way or another...ssshhhh,I think I’m converting the misses?
Tinley Park
Have it going now finally. Tough day.
Anyway Brent's last three shows. Had I will take you home from Spring 90 on earlier.
Nice to see a new selection Blue Crow. I do have Dick's 32, so it is on the burner.
Shakedown Stream on Thursday?
It’s 8/27 so I suspect that they will be doing a Venetta anniversary.
Hopefully subsequent streams return to Friday.
Enjoyed last night. Didn’t see myself because I was crammed on the lawn. But did see BobT, he was the guy up front wearing a tie dye and having a good time.
The video seemed a little grainy, but then I paused the stream and restarted, and the video quality improved. I’ve noticed in previous streams that if the audio and video aren’t synced a pause and restart fixes the problem.
nope no cumberland
but the 8/7 china > rider jam has that same great bluegrass-driven feel, and 8/8 has an excellent Brown Eyed Women - that song is sort of my Cumberland.
as someone who can't even keep up with one a day, both Alpine 82 shows in one day is of course not entirely serious. really just wanted to get 8/7 on everybody's radar. sort of fell through the cracks in the DiP series, seldom mentioned, got some real sound issues - in particular not nearly enough Phil - but a stellar show. China>Rider, Wheel, Morning Dew all favorites of mine. And 8/8 was all kinds of fun and excellent in its own way.
on another 8/7 anniversary note - Jerry Band played an excellent jammed out show in Seattle in '93. same brother was with me. that show was notable for debut of Lightning Bolt guitar - first Dead shows with Lightning Bolt were in Eugene later that month. personally, I loved the tone of Lightning Bolt.
have a great Saturday everybody.
Alpine '82 = Good Choice
8/8/82 Set 2 long time favorite!
Always been a big admirer of these 2 shows, with the 2nd night Set 2 ranking up there as an all time fave BITD, would just sit and imagine being there.. BLUECROW you lucky dog you, where was your mind at during The Other One?
It's a smoker!
Nice Pick, looking forward to this..
BTW: There's a little Cumberland flavor in Mama Tried towards the end ;)