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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #831
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    Bickershaw and repetition

    1stshow -no, I have never heard Hawkwind's set at Bickershaw. Curiously, I have never read anything about it either, not from the band or from people who were there. Simonrob was there - maybe he knows something.
    1972 was the year it all came together for Hawkwind, culminating in the Space Ritual tour in December. In fact - a timely thought - the 11 cd special deluxe edition of Space Ritual is out next Friday. Probably not good value for money unless you are really into it - they basically played the same set on that tour wherever they played - this new set features three of them. I'll be getting it - but the original album may be better value overall.

    Going back to The Dead's repetitive - or otherwise - song lists - they would have played to a different audience every night, for the most part, during E72, so maybe it mattered less than later on if they played the same songs a lot. Maybe that was the case for American gigs at first, too. It wasn't common practice in England in the 1970's to see the same band twice on the run, so I wouldn't think it was in America at first. As teenager, apart from anything else, I wouldn't have been able to afford it.

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    Repetitive, Sort of..

    With the exception of Copenhagen and London, they hit these cities just once and my guess is most locals had not had any real exposure to the touring Grateful Dead. Copenhagen is the real outlier, two hits at the same venue and similar second set setlists.

    I always assumed they wanted to make a presence in Europe and knowing people were not as exposed in the US, wanted to paint a strong picture for each city.

    So 51 years later listening to the whole tour, there is lots of repetition. But if you were there then, it was all brand new. That's how I digested it. They wanted to hit Europe with a cohesive picture of what they were doing then not knowing when or if they would return.

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    Yeah they always went heavy on what was new. Guessing partly for their own sanity/interest, and partly for the crowds.
    Not unlike Taylor Swift etc: make an album, go on the road to support it, rinse and repeat…of course like most things, they weren’t that formulaic, thank goodness lol. Plus, they were smart enough to figure out that it’s better to work stuff out on the road BEFORE you go into the studio to record it, especially when you do constantly tweak and re-invent them. So this tour was perhaps a bit of both lol.
    Also, (think we’ve discussed before?) folks didn’t tour so much back then, probably not at all in 1972 Europe?
    So they didn’t have to worry about that like they did later on.
    Sometimes I think they, or someone, just really enjoyed certain songs, so played en more.
    I’d say they played less repetitive in some ways as the years passed and they had more and more songs to choose from.
    Ok, maybe not Bob, he seemed to need to play everything to death lol. Speaking of, why Me&My Uncle every night! I mean they just put it out on the last live album only a year before! With so much new stuff as the Dead, and from WM and AB, AND both Bob and Jers recent solo albums, why Bob, why LOL ; ) Perhaps trying to bring more American “culture”?
    As far as reinterpreting songs, I think they always did that, though some more than others and with various results.
    I guess that’s yet another thing dependent on the listeners taste and chever way yer pleasure tends…
    But I’d bet the biggest factor on this tour was trying to get at least one good useable version of all the new material since they purposely chose this methodology to get the new songs out on a new album. That and mix in some familiar stuff as you never want to do all unknown songs. I could tell ya a story about doing that lol

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    Finishing up as I write.
    Highlights: Dark Star, The Other One, Lovelight (Jerry!).
    The line-up for this festival is astounding. Woodstock level of mud too.
    DR, guessing you've heard Hawkwind's performance. Good?
    Cheers

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    Repetition

    Is that true, though, that there was more repetition of songs during the E72 tour than others in the late 60's and 70's?
    I haven't checked it out, but listening to shows, I always get a sense that they had a core group of songs that they leaned on during specific tours. It was the same listening to the 1973 box that has just come out. There weren't any shows that were wildly different from any other - possibly 6/10/73. That has a different feel than the earlier ones.

    That's not a criticism - the more they played specific songs - especially the ones incorporating jams, the better they got to know them and the more they were able to re-interpret them. Part of the ongoing mystery - especially from late 1971-1974. Maybe.

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    The make up show.
    Yeah 1stshow, there is definitely a looooot of repetition! Lol
    But yeah, all good, perhaps getting a little burnout, though I haven’t had a lot of good, sit down sessions.
    By necessity, some I’ve been just streaming on crappy work device, (or I’d be still doing this months from now and I’m getting itchy for some other Dead ) I’ve tried to hit those shows multiple times.
    5/13 was one, and another first time show.
    I thought it was a mostly well played show, especially considering it was another cold outdoor show.
    Loved JG joking about a movie and playing drive ins lol
    The PITB seemed a little different, and awesome! Oh, loved Pig making Europe sounding police sirens on the organ during the first spacey part of TOO, another beauty. Nice how their starting to work He’s Gone into the flow of the set.
    Don’t have my info here, but believe this might be the first show without a Good Lovin, which no offense, but I am getting burnt on. Have really been enjoying the other stuff, especially Hurts Me Too and Mr Charlie! And I need to learn the rest of the words to ChinaTown Shuffle as I can’t get the chorus outta my head lol.
    In fact slightly light on the grease, perhaps the chilly cold and being on the road, or maybe time limits? This show was a little shorter by E72 standards, more like a “normal” Dead show.
    Wonder if that was due to having to get back on the road, the cold, or…?
    Overall another great show, though if hard pressed I don’t think I’d include in top five or whatnot…
    Kudos to them though in spite of being less than ideal circumstances and this far into the tour etc

    Oh, I think the repetitiveness and lack of certain songs was totally by design.
    Always good to have as many good versions of songs to attempt to choose from. Nothing worse than wanting a certain song badly but only having a so so version…
    They had all those new songs they wanted to get out, or try to, so I can fully understand not doing too many other recently released songs.
    Making the album was a big part of the tour and after hating their studio stuff versus the great live albums, they were trying to make an album, but live in front of grooving people. Same sorta MO they did with In The Dark. Kinda surprises me they didn’t use this approach more often since it obviously worked so well for them.
    And perhaps unknown to some, but even though they played all tracks live, they did go back and clean up and/or sweeten some things in the studio afterwards, so really a sorta highbred album. Same with Skullfuck.
    Ok, on to 5/16/72 and a world radio broadcast!
    Onward!

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    Just started Bickershaw and it occurred to me that 12 shows into the tour there weren't all that many songs in the setlists from either Workingman's or American Beauty. A quick look to verify only found Sugar Mag and Truckin' from Beauty (whoops found a Brokedown too) and five out the eight from Workingman's with two of those played maybe once or twice in the tour. I knew going in to the full EU72 tour I was in for a lot of repetition in the setlists and having glanced at them beforehand saw the order of songs or placements were also similar, i.e. Casey Jones to end many a first set. So maybe knowing they were doing the album they did so many of the same ones to get a better shot at getting one that would be just exactly perfect for the album, more to choose from. Seems a bit opposite to their usual format of no format or you get what feels right that night. These shows are certainly not carbon copies by any means and I'm not complaining at all but just wanted to explore why they all sound a bit the same. Clearly some doing them all in a row impressions happening but not burnout at all. They are all just too good!
    Cheers

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    Errrrrr I mean Hendrixfreak?
    That’s just it, he was out and about in Montana and was supposed to be back end of August…
    Hopefully he’s just busy, wherever, and there’s no fuckery about?

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    I suspect that he is in the outback freeing his mind and prepping for the Fall equinox.

    Or maybe he went to Burning Man and is still stuck in the mud.

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    #Freethereels!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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I'm still shaking my head over this 8/14/71 tape, Holy S#!@

Phil & Jerry are just locking in throughout, esp during The Other One & NFA > GDTRFB.

Even the tried and true #s get a work out.

Alright time for the next night.

And young Strider journeys West and was there for both, lucky duck.

Quack! Quack!

Happy Birthday Bob T, since you listened to 8/15 yesterday, my Bday gift to you is 8/14, Enjoy! ;)

BobT: Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!

Shakedown Stream 6/19/20: does anyone recall what show that was, and was 4/22/20 (6/11/93) the first one?
Can’t seem to source it...I bet GOGD knows!

BOX IDEA: Dane County; Kinda like the Giants box...
2/15/73 (Dark Star, HC Sunshine)
10/25/73 (Dark Star, Mind Left Body, HC Sunshine)
2/3/78 (DPs 18)
2/4/79 (Probably no tapes)
12/3/81(Good set list)
6/24/83 (H,S,F, Dew, good set list)

Ok, so possibly 4 shows...I’m not familiar with the performances of the last 3, but it looks good on paper....

....Big RXR opener. Good sign.
Oroborous with the win. If they don't name it the Grate Dane box with a derpy dog on the cover, opportunity lost.
Edit. 8.14 & 8.15 both have Cumberlands!! Sold!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 08/15/2020 - 15:39

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Started 4/10 with Truckin’ Up to Buffalo, followed by GD Movie and 6/11/93 on 4/24/20. 6/19/20 was an off week, they did 10 in a row and took that week off.

Nice box idea, I’d like to see 2/9 & 2/15/73 released for sure. Honestly they should release this 8/14/71 show, it’s hot! 8/15 is good too… but I think I like the 14th better. Might have to listen again ;)

Aw Reet!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 08/15/2020 - 16:12

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Ha!! the Grate Dane box!! sweet!

Always liked the German Shepherd with headphones from Hamburg '72 in the steamer trunk.

2/15 Set II is one of my first tapes, very much loved.

8/14 & 15 need to be released. Wowza.

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 08/15/2020 - 16:26

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Heading there right now... Can't hear Dane County without thinking of this show... Two Dark Stars in 8 months in Madison Wisconsin in 1973.......... bob t

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 08/15/2020 - 16:27

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Speaking of 2-9,15-73, I did my every 2-3 month visit to bt.etree to check for new/upgraded material (Mr. Charlie has been productive during quarantine) and I believe that those were included in the shows I got.
Also, Alaska ‘80 all three shows as one torrent was there.
Vguy, Sam Boyd 92 was also there.

Didn’t read the fine print on each show to see what has been fixed, or if it is a new source, etc. Will do that later, just grabbing the data now.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 08/15/2020 - 17:24

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Yes - there was a solid Charlie Miller upgrade to 2-15 in last few months - i was checking it out on the Archive in first day or so after it was uploaded. i think this is the same on relisten. don't do etree but maybe its time for a select few.

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1973/02/15?source=223918

1st 2 tracks on this source are from the soundcheck i think.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 08/15/2020 - 17:26

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GOGD: tanks! I knew you’d know. Forgot they went back that far, and that 6/19 was off......senior moment!

VGUY: The Grate Dane! Perfect, there ya go Rhino, marketing, art, and music....
easy with that fire though, 20K plus rager (Grizzly Creek Fire) parts only about 15 miles upwind as the crow flies....not gonna see the sun from my back door anytime soon! This year just keeps kicking my ass! Pray for rain por favor!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 08/15/2020 - 19:15

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Holy Crap.. Fire on the Mountain > Looks Like Rain? Just checked this out, looks horrific. Be safe man...

New Years will have special meaning this year.

going through discs and realized it had been years since I'd listened to the Dave's 2012 Bonus Disc from Cap Centre 7/29/74. so that's where I'm at right now. maybe this got covered earlier as a pick and i missed it.

Oro - good luck over there. personally familiar with how freaking dry the SW Colorado mountains are right now. no mushrooms anywhere. scary in terms of fire potential. hoping for some containment on Grizzly and Pine Gulch. lots of smoke drifting in here - probably from California fires but maybe northern Arizona or west of state.

I did this a couple weeks ago.. classic.

What's in store for tomorrow? Still light on work, starting a carpentry project so good long jams are in order..

How about 5/14/74, Dave's Picks #9?

Lost my Mom late last week, it has been a tough time and the virus doesn't help in all aspects.

Be well folks.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 06:09

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No complaints from me.. Right on time.. heading outside right... now.

Edit: Shit, in my haste to get outside and get some painting done I missed the second half of your post deadvikes. So sorry to hear.. Hang in there man...

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 07:28

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Sorry to hear about your mom... bob t

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 07:35

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Sorry for your loss! May The four winds blow her safely home...

5/14/74 sounds perfect!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 08:30

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In sorry for your loss , it's a very sad thing to lose one of your parents.

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 14:09

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I was so happy when Dave release this one... My in tape trading days i had a very crappy board, but hey it had a Dark Star on it from 74, and it was the only Montana show they did... What i have grown to really like about this show is the NFA>Going Down the Road... give it a listen..... not the longest versions in the world but they smoke!!!! Even get a whew from Weir after the jam in GDTRFB..... alas all is ruined after when Bob get's hit with a homecoming cup, "Thanks a whole hell of a lot," right before the encore..... Good call for today.... bob t

We were bound to have a repeat eventually and perfect pick for repeated listening.

DeadVikes no words do justice, I’m sorry for your loss.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 08/17/2020 - 18:54

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Thanks for the kind words Gents, I appreciate it!

GOGD, did we do this one already, shoot, sorry for the repeat, I guess I needed a good Dark Star. And I am with Bob t, the NFA/GDTRFB combo is sweet and One More Saturday Night to finish.
Sound quality is A+. How great was the Wall of Sound.

Are we five months into this BS pandemic already? My God, this has to end soon.

Thanks again guys and stay well.

Ha.. Well, I missed the first one so it was a good repeat for me. I fit in the whole show and kept right on going with 6/16/74 simply because it was the next show in my device.

...and yes, this darkness got to give.

So Dicks Picks 20 tomorrow? Check out the jam in Supplication.. wowow stuff.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 08/18/2020 - 07:12

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I am thinking we did Dick's 20 in the Spring, but not 100% sure. GOGD has been tracking it. Let us know.

At any rate, I will check it out. Love 76!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 08/18/2020 - 09:09

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We might have.. if so, lets try and think up a new one. Where is our official judge, GOGD? Without him in the loop, we are a lawless, woolly bunch.

Edit: Well.. my 4/20/84 just arrived, so that's going to be my outside listen today. Reading the liner notes now. Saw a lot of shows in 84.. I remember how much different Jerry looked than he did in '83, and that habit of staring into the carpet and just shredding it was already well established. Vocals were a problem the whole year. This was about the time we started realizing something was afoot.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 08/18/2020 - 10:10

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Jim,

Repeat or not, I am working my way through it. Love this release. I think this is the first 76 release, correct?

A 2001 release and the sound quality is really good. Performances are super September 76 Dead.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 08/18/2020 - 10:44

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Hi-Ya!

Sorry, Dead.net homepage posts on my Mac aren’t updating in real time, even with refresh, weird.
I guess I have to dig a little deeper. Anybody else get that?

Yep, 5 months of this shiz, started 4/6/20 from what I can tell.
Alright, in regards to shows we did DiP V20 on 4/20/20, and DaP V9 on 5/14/20.
Now I'm just saying that so we know, no biggie doing repeats, in fact, these are all repeats and I do them all all the time ;)

I went down the 1971 rabbit hole after 8/14 & 8/15 and am trying to work my way out, but Fillmore April ’71 is sounding really good and taking me back to my earliest days of hearing the Dead.
(Which in comparison to now, seem like heaven!)

Did 4/29 yesterday, one of my earliest tapes, and am enjoying 4/28 today, So you know where to find me :)

Music Is Good Medicine
Be Well All

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Submitted by bob t on Tue, 08/18/2020 - 13:54

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Just finishing Set I from 11/9/73.... gonna listen to this box the next few days. There are 8 shows from the October 73 and only 1 has been released.10/25 and 10/30 both have Dark Stars on them..... I'm a big fan of Evanston Show especially second set... I like the September tour, but I know a lot of people don't like the Fiero and Ellis shows... nothing has been released from September... There are 10 shows from this month no releases. Got a feeling Dave is saving 9/12/73 William and Mary show for the 50th anniversary of Wake of the Flood.... Thank you for listening to my ramble... bob t

Realized this yesterday as I scrolled through my music player looking for 5-14-74

2-24-74 DaP13
3-23-74% DP24
5-12-74 (not yet released)
5-14-74 DaP9
5-17-74 PNW
5-19-74 PNW
5-21-74 PNW
5-25-74 (not yet released)
6-8-74 (not yet released)
6-16-74% RTv2n3
6-18-74% RTv2n3
6-20-74 (not yet released)
6-22-74% DaP34
6-23-74 DaP34
6-26-74 s2 DP12
6-28-74 s2 DP12
6-30-74 (not yet released)
7-19-74 DaP17
7-21,25,27-74 (not yet released)
7-29-74% DaP2 bonus disc
7-31-74 DaP2
8-4,5,6-74% DP31
9-9,10-74 DP7
9-11,14-74 (not yet released)
9-18-74 30Trips
9-20,21-74 (not yet released)
10-16,17,18,19,20-74% GD Movie soundtrack

I like ‘74!
Let’s fill in the gaps and work towards the whole year being released.

Condolences DV.

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Submitted by Gollum on Tue, 08/18/2020 - 20:09

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Excellent pick. Latvala strikes again!

I think repeat picks should be allowed, or even encouraged. That way, we'll never run out.

I've got the same delayed updating problem, GOGD and have had it a few weeks now.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 08/19/2020 - 10:03

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Yes, I am with you on releasing more 74 Conekid. Don't forget 2/22 and 2/23.

Since several of these shows are partial releases, boy, I would not mind if they went back and gave us the complete show. Not sure that would ever happen, but I would buy it.

I pulled out 7/5/78 this morning. It has been a long time since I listened to this show. I know we did the 7/1/78 show on the Anniversary date. I don't listen to this box that much anymore and I should, great shows and super sound quality.

Everybody hang loose.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 08/19/2020 - 16:01

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10/74 Winterland Complete, audio and video.
Bring it on Dave.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 08/20/2020 - 05:56

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Thanks for the link on the last show at the Greek. Thought this might make a good pick of the day so I checked out Relisten and the archive. The only option I could find was one and it was a feed from Bob Weir's guitar. And that was literally all it was just his guitar playing. I like Bob Weir and all, but listening to just his guitar for a full show is not going to do it for me.
Who has a pick for us today?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 08/20/2020 - 06:04

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"Is it not written in thee sky?" :-)

Today is August 20 and I am beginning to think there will not be another box set released this year. Not really sure what Dave was referring to when he spoke about other big things needing their own space to breathe later in the year meant? I know we have AB, but that can't be it.
Also, have they ever had a box set announcement past August 1?

Are usual clue tellers are silent.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 08/20/2020 - 13:03

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Nostradeadmus predicts American Beauty 50th either released on 11/1/2020 or announced that day if they are unable to pull it off because of covid.

I think we are getting one more this year.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 08/20/2020 - 13:26

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Went with DP18 today. We've listened to this one before right? Anyway, ready for Englishtown any time now. Wish there was more video. Saw some of it recently first for I think the first time. Wonder how much (if any) footage there remains left. What's been out there has been seen already before, right? I'll have to check my Dead base. :-)

Happy rest of summer, all... :-) :-) :-)

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 08/20/2020 - 16:29

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Dave made that 76 Box video before the world got turned upside in, downside out.
I don’t think that there is a rule about when an announcement needs to be made.
I’m holding out for another Box, whether it’s a stand alone or part of AB-50th. There’s really no reason to announce it way in advance, just announce it when it’s available for sale and start shipping the same day.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 08/21/2020 - 16:14

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I see that Jambase posted a loose knit announcement yesterday for the final edition of Shakedown Stream to take place next Thursday August 27th. I’m surprised that the August 2020 Grateful Dead bulletin did not include a notice there of. I will say rest assured dear readers that official announcement would see the light of day maybe Monday or perhaps Tuesday at the latest. Something tells me that the pre-show with Dave and Gary has some special guest sure to make a long and lasting impression upon the impressionable and the not so easily impressed alike. So soon, very soon I expect to hear the drum roll, Rolling Thunder!!⛈⚡️⛈