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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • Slow Dog Noodle
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    would be if this fourth pick was a Dead and Co show.

  • itsburnsy
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    I like the name Kraken, my first choice was Sockeyes though. Drove by the official store (South Lake Union) last Saturday but didn't stop in. Can't wait to get like a 4 game ticket package.

    #36 is a surprise. The occasional 80's release is all good, but 2 in a row, c'mon Dave. The fourth pick of the year has historically been a solid (but not long pole) show to get us pumped for the sub. I'll postpone judgement until I hear it in it's re-mastered glory, but seems like a weak follow up to a mediocre '84 show. Anyway, can't wait to get the sub info for 37 and 38.

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    Love all the comments so far, and the diversity of opinion. Going back to when Dick’s Picks started, I only bought the shows that really pricked up my ears(68-72) mostly, and continued with Road Trips series. After boxzilla, I had a change of heart, and then had to go back(it’s that collector gene/defect) and fill in all the blanks. It wasn’t too embarrassingly expensive thank God. Luckily, the 2011 Bonus Disc(which I only have a burned copy of) taught me the lesson to always subscribe, so, I have a complete Dave’s series, along with RTs & Dick’s. I guess my first instinct was best, but because I have been buying music from 1965 to the present, that collectors gene/defect has taken over. So, since I MUST have it all, I will.
    I tell myself it’s good to have all eras, but It’s the very rare post ‘77 show that I give a second or third listen to. The bonus disc for me is a MUST have, so the price is worth it(right??).
    I won’t complain about ANY of the releases, and maybe one day, I’ll sell these complete sets. But probably not.
    I can’t disagree with anyone’s decision as to which way they will go. But for me, the first bonus disc that’s from after ‘77, I will be done with the subscriptions. Looking forward to new music, especially AB 50.
    Peace to all, stay safe & healthy.
    Music is the best!!

    P.S. There are only 4 songs from #36 that I am excited to hear(is that a complaint??).

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    Quote from a nice little blog aptly titled "the modern deadhead":

    "The five-month break and their healthier approach made a big difference to the sound. "I can't tell you what it means to have been to the point where it looked like there wasn't going to be any more Grateful Dead, and then to come back like this and to have it be as good as it is now," Kreutzmann said in '88, "We're playing better, we're healthier - all of us, not just Jerry - and we have more energy; I know I do. I feel great! I feel young!""

    http://moderndeadhead.blogspot.com/2009/12/grateful-dead-1987.html

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    I was not aware that one of these was Dave’s first show. That makes some sense. I would probably have only bought one from this year, too, if I’d been buying a la carte. Only problem with a la carte is you end up paying about $50 per show, once you factor in tax and shipping. Makes the sub model more appealing.

    I'm amazed (and proud of you guys) for not jumping all over me for what I wrote. I almost never post here, mainly because of a small contingent of folks who cannot stomach anything that smacks of criticism, or even discernment. And they want to argue if you're being "negative."

    There's NO rule that being a Deadhead means never criticizing a performance, or even loving every era equally. That’s pure BS. Many, many Deadheads who actually saw them perform WITH JERRY back in the day were critical then, and have just as much right to be critical now. The “Drums” segment of 80s shows was literally a piss break for half the people in the place at every concert I attended. People derided the 70s-era version “Dancing in the Streets” as “Disco Dead,” and yes, said the same thing about “Shakedown” when it first came out. “U.S. Blues” was often considered a least-preferred encore, earning the nickname “Useless Blues.” Don’t even get me started on “Day Job” (a song which I happen to think is a fun throwaway, actually). And yes, people who jumped on the bus when “Touch of Grey” came out were looked down on as “Touch-Heads.” I was there.

    Having said all that, I'll give these a listen, and am looking forward to having more HQ versions of "West LA" and "Alabama." But seeing those dates keeps my expectations very, very low. Good era for Bobby fanatics, not so much for Jerry diehards, IMHO.

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    Unless they really piss me off (and they might just do that one day), I will likely subscribe to the bitten end.

    I enjoy it.. and looking back, I am happy with the shows I saw, even the ones that were not 'great,' the regret I have is the shows I could have seen but didn't.. What's $25 a release in the grand scheme of things.. I look at all the money I never spent smoking, that's my Dave's Picks loot.

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    If I was buying alacarte this year , I only would have bought the 1974 release ( Dave's #34).

  • hendrixfreak
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    First off, there's a sheet-ton of great shows left in the vault. Without a doubt. But the number of release-able shows for, say, '67, '68, '69 and '70 is limited, I'd guess. Plus, shows in those years tended to be too short for a Dave's release. Though (2) '68s or '69s would fill three discs. So Dave is killing two birds with one stone: upend the pattern of a strong finish to the year, release his own first show. Any criticism of the vault keeper for doing that is mainly -- according to these pages -- seems rooted in wanting our own first shows released instead.

    There are a ton of shows from '71, '72, and '73 and a handful from '74 yet to go. And good-sounding 80s tapes -- at least judging from 30 Trips -- are not all that abundant. But Dave will be scouring for 80s and maybe 90s tapes to leaven and slow the release of the prime stuff from '71 to '74. Understandable, in a sense, if they want to stretch this vault release stream til Dave retires. Instead, I'd rather see a decade-long model where we just get the cream.

    I'd guess that the 2021 Dave's Picks start out strong, based on an '84 and an '87 to end this year. But if the 3rd and 4th picks are downright lame, I'd probably bail on the subscription after only-god-knows how many years.

    That said, the boxes certainly provide Dave another outlet. And I'd guess he'll want a blockbuster for 2021. I'm still thinking fall '72.

    Frankly, if I were Dave, I'd love to read the squirming comments that greet a surprise pick, knowing that he can make us all stop chattering with a phenomenal #37 announcement or a killer box next year.

    To sum up this year, the June '76 box really hit the spot; I like June much better than the rest of that year. We got (2) Feb '71 shows. The October '77 Dekalb show is a classic from tape trading days and entirely welcome. And June '74 with bonus disc is in the sweet spot. So overall I'd have to grade the year's output as an A and remain open-minded about the forthcoming '87 show.

    Naturally, I'll be riveted to learn about #37 and #38 and the 2021 box. Meanwhile, this winter, I only have a couple hundred shows to enjoy while we hunker down once again in the vortex of unanticipated events.

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    I would love a crisp '91! Though honestly, there are (a lot of) times I actually prefer the later Vince era to the '91-'92 Hornsby/Welnick period. At any rate, perhaps it goes without saying, we still haven't seen a '90s Dave Pick.

    Dick (or I guess should say Dick's Picks) gave us:

    3 '90s
    5 '80s (counting 12/26/79)
    3 '60s (4 if you count 2/13-2/14/70)

    Dave (Dave's Picks) has given us:

    0 '90s
    6 '80s (counting 12/3/79)
    4 '60s (counting 1/2 and 1/23/70)

    It's obvious that the sweet spot for both series' is the '70s. If this is a gift to Dave (this was his first show), it's well-deserved. Heck, it's perhaps even more deserved as a gift to Charlie Miller (his favorite show).

    How's this look? As a very rough (not fully thought out schematic): Each year we get one respective pick from the following eras: '69-'72, '73-'78, '79-'86, '87-'95. I'd take it! But it wouldn't be as fun, I don't think. In Dave We Trust! I subscribe because I want them all and want to support the enterprise, but a la carte is definitely an option now for many at 22K.

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    Hey, that quitting smoking shit was easy,,,, quit subscribing??? Don't know if I have enough man in me for that!

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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No tapes from 1970 second half is what I’ve thought too via the nice folks here who know way more about all that then me. But he has it on that list he put out I think right before the start of Dave’s Picks and so far many of the releases (not just DaP‘s) are on that list. Sorry, I can’t find the link and I have the list written down on paper at home....Somebody here posted it again last winter I think?
Since he posted that in I believe 2012 even before all the big returns, I’m assuming there’s tapes for that show?
But that’s all I have, so just speculation....

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Jerry won't go
Tried tellin' everybody but,
whoa no
Little Jerry Jerry won't
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Putting our feet down -- give us the very best fall '70 show left in the vault to go with AB 50th or we're walking out of here, every single one of us.

Uh, wait, you guys are behind me, r-r-r-right??!!

Dang, all alone again on a windswept highway and no cars in sight............

I have said it before, and I may be wrong, but it doesn't make sense to me to release the anniversary of AB this year. We have already had the WD 50th anniversary release, and as they didn't release a studio album in 1971 there isn't an anniversary edition available for next year. So I would think the anniversary AB will come out in 2021 sometime.

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I imagine it will probably be from 1972 or 1973, I don't believe we are going to get another box set this year, unfortunately. We will have to wait until next year when Dave releases that big 10 show 1969 box set. It will be 10 of the best remaining shows from 1969. They will probably put out an economy model, for those who don't want to drop so much cash.

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Daverock, too late, I'm pretty sure AB 50 is a lock for this fall.

As for DaP36, a '72 or '73 would be most welcome. Although two '69 shows are not out of the question. Too few '74s left, too many '77s and '78s already released (and a '77 already this year).

As for the 2021 box, I just hope I'm still in my home by this time next year. We really don't know what's coming down the pike. "This darkness got to give...."

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I share your enthusiasm for 1969 Billy, but unfortunately I don't think the 1969 set lists are varied enough to offer a marketable10 shows with what's left in the vault. Maybe 3 or 4 shows if the tapes sound good. 1972 is a much more likely candidate for 10 shows I believe. But why stop there? May as well go 30 Trips on us.

Hendrix, sorry to hear about your house situation.

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I'll take as much 69 as I can get. Dreading might be right about the marketing aspect..

Still, I keep thinking we are due, we could start with the Ark, but why stop there - let's slip put a few '68's for good measure.

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To me, with improvisational music, the actual set lists don't matter so much. Between 1968 and mid 1969 ( at least), the Dead honed and developed some incredible music, and I would be interested to hear, literally, every show from that timespan. As the song lists developed, the intensity maybe reduced over the timespan of the whole show. In the 60s they burned the candle at both ends. Shorter shows, less songs - but history in the making.

I guess with listening to shows with limited sets lists, listening pleasure depends on what is done with the material, rather than on what the actual material is. I have a 3cd/1 dvd set of the second Miles Davis Quintet here from October/November 1967. Basically the same set list on each of the 5 shows, but it really works. Listen to one show, and I can't help going on to the next.
The opposite is the 4 cd Humble Pie box from Fillmore East 1971. 4 shows which are virtually identical. Play one - that's all I need. Its a good show - the sound quality is amazing but the same show repeated 4 times, almost note for note, is a bit much. Listen to one, and move on to another band, I'm afraid.

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Whoa, oh what I want to know-Oh
Where does the time go?

Can't believe it is September first already. WTF. This year has both whizzed by while simultaneously dragged me through the mud whilst plunging hot forks into my eyeballs. And somehow here we are.

Give Me Five!
I'm Still Alive!

Oh, and 69 is a fantastic number as well as a mighty fine year of the GD.

Carry On, Be Well People.

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The show from San Jose State , 10/31/69, is a good one. There are 3 shows from Winterland in late October of 1969 that look cool. Also the shows from the Veterans hall in n Santa Rosa, June 1969, are cool. But that 10/31/69 show, if not part of a larger box , certainly could be a stand alone release.

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Thanks gents, no immediate threat to home ownership here, just recognizing that biz has to pick up and we don't know what the next 12 months will bring. I should have worded it differently: many face uncertainty. No woe-is-me here, just putting my hopes into starker terms than needed at this point.

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36, sheeeett, I’m still waiting to know WTF happened to 35...
4 weeks since it was a mile from our house but was sent back (still not sure why shipping label was changed?)
3 weeks since the PO in Carlsbad said the receiver, Rhino?, refused it? and now nobody seems to have a clue where it is and the radio silence is deafening...

69 is mighty fine, but concur that a ten show box is probably not marketable. Also don’t think they’d want to deplete what quality shows they have in one shot. Sure an Ark box now, a Dave’s or 2 later, ya know, spread it out. Sorta like 74, been spreading that since way back in the nineties. But with Dave & company, who the hell knows? From what I read recently, something tells me Pinkus is likely hands on too...
But hey, here’s to 69! Perhaps 36 will be 69, which might somehow tie to if 6 were 9, which ties to Hendrixfreak, which means it’ll be a fall 72!
figure at some point he’s gonna hit those Summer Berkeley shows again...2 I believe are on that list of his...

PS: Love Weir doing if 6 were 9

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Whew..

I guess it was a bit premature to claim dibs on your E72 box then. Sincere apologies.

:D

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Here’s that Dave’s Possible List that someone posted I think last winter? Sorry, can’t find the link to the original interview...
The gist was these were shows he was “thinking“ about back then (2012?, maybe earlier?)...
Since he’d been around for a while by then you’d assume he knew of sources? Maybe not?
Apologize for any mistakes...just find it interesting that he’s used 17 outta 45 of this list in what? 8 years or so...

POSSIBLE LIST
-1/20/68 Eureka DS
-4/21/69 Ark DS
-4/23/69 Ark DS
-1/2/70 Fillmore DS - DaP 30 ✔️
-1/3/70 Fillmore p/o - Dap 30 ✔️
-9/19/70 Fillmore DS
-11/7/71 Harding DS
-1/2/72 Winterland
-8/24/72 Berkeley DS
-2/15/73 Dane DS
-5/26/73 Kezar (BB)
-6/10/73 RFK DS
-6/30/73 Universal Amp. DS
-9/11/73 W&M DS
-5/17/74 PNE - PNW Box ✔️
-5/19/74 Portland - PNW Box ✔️
-6/23/74 Miami DS - DaP 34 ✔️
-7/31/74 Dillon - DaP 2 ✔️
-9/28/75 Lindley - 30Trips ✔️
-6/14/76 Beacon (BB) - 76 Box ✔️
-6/15/76 Beacon (BB) - 76 Box ✔️
-10/3/76 Cobo - 30Trips ✔️
-5/18/77 Fox
-5/26/77 Baltimore
-11/4/77 Colgate - DaP 12 ✔️
-1/18/78 Stockton
-1/22/78 Eugene - DaP 23 ✔️
-1/15/79 Springfield
-8/30/80 Spectrum
-10/14/80 Warfield
-3/9/81 MSG
-5/16/81 Cornell - 30Trips ✔️
-8/30/83 Hult
-10/21/83 Worcester - 30Trips ✔️
-10/9/84 Worcester
-11/2/84 Berkeley
-9/18/87 MSG - 30Trips ✔️
-7/29/88 Laguna
-10/26/89 Miami DS - 30Trips ✔️
-12/27/89 Oakland
-10/27/90 Zenith- 30Trips ✔️
-6/22/91 Soldier Field DSJ
-9/26/91 Boston DS
-3/29/93 Albany HCSS
-9/13/93 Spectrum DS

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10/31/69 or 5/26/73

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I'd like to see 10/19/71 at Northrop Auditorium. First Keith show, debut performances of Tennesee Jed, Jack Straw, Mexicali Blues, Comes a Time, One More Saturday Night, AND Ramble On Rose.

Historic night deserves Pickin.

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St. Louis, MO
10/18/1972

Set I
01 Bertha
02 Me And My Uncle
03 Don't Ease Me In
04 Mexicali Blues
05 Brown Eyed Women
06 Beat It On Down The Line
07 Bird Song
08 Big River
09 Loser
10 Jack Straw
11 Big Railroad Blues
12 El Paso
13 China Cat Sunflower >
14 I Know You Rider

Set II
01 Playing In The Band >
02 Drums
03 Dark Star >
04 Morning Dew >
05 Playing In The Band
06 Deal
07 Promised Land
08 Brokedown Palace
09 One More Saturday Night
10 Casey Jones

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Sacramento 8/12/72 or
Long Beach 12/15/72

*predicted by Gollum 9/1/20, 8:35pm(PT)*

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I get the feeling Maples Pavilion 73 will get released one day too.

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...love everyone’s picks for Dave’s Picks #36!
I love Dave’s Old List!
I love More Pigpen!
I love another 80’s Dave’s Picks for #36!
I love...what?! wait a minute...What?! 🙃
🙃

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Although it is quite possible that DaP 36 will be from the 2nd half of 1972, it's unlikely either show release will come to fruition. We can cross off 1974, 1976, 1977, and the rest of the 1980's decade.
My prediction is a 60's show or a 2 or 3 60's compilation.
We will find out what Dave's Picks Volume 36 will be sometime in mid-October.

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I really find annoying when the band started not having the Phil intro in The Other One. 6 29 84 for exmple. Bobby whispers the first set of lyrix.

Phil intro, please.

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I read an interview with Keith Richards recently, in which he said that he felt one of his principle roles in creating Stones records was in setting them up with a memorable introduction. Which figures...countless records by The Stones can identified by their opening chords. These intros are excellent scenes setters - much as Phil's bass runs are for The Other One. As indicated by Proudfoot, below.

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We Want Phil!

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DROP THEM I say!
Agreement here is simple.

Sixtus

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In Phil we trust.

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AWESOME

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It is the lack his identifiable presence that is a major let down, for me, on Dave's 35. One of the enduring aspects of the Dead's music is the way Phil and Jerry played off one another. Maybe he had given up the ghost by 1984.

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He was there.. the main problems in the '80's were the recordings and the mix, but there were weak nights. The Weir Mickey Mouse voice effect was got old exactly the second time it was deployed as well, and I do miss the thundering opening bass riffs that mark peak Other Ones. The whispering vocal entries don't compare well.

...perhaps Phil began his triumphant return with the Hampton Box of Rain breakout in March, 86.

Much like with the Grinch's heart, his bass and amp grew three sizes that day and doubled again that the day he gave up the Heinekens.

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Following trends, it seems that Dave has been giving a good mix of eras each year. Eras based upon band makeup:
Pigpen
One drummer 1971-74, with or without Pigpen and/or Keith, which can be separated into three distinct eras (just Pig, Pig and Keith, and just Keith)
Two drummer post-hiatus 1976-early 79
Brent era
He has skipped Vince era so far

So far this year, we have gotten two drummer post-hiatus, one drummer 71-74 (no Pigpen) and Brent era. I don't see us getting something from 73 so close to the Jai Alia 74 show. It seems they usually use this release to help with subscription sales for next year, so I don't see it being a Vince era. I think this will be a Pigpen release, hoping for a two show 68 or 69 release personally.

I doubt 1970 as there will be an American Beauty release with a show, hopefully something from said year. I saw somewhere speculation that they would put off the 50th anniversary AB release until next year because we already got one this year with Workingman's Dead. No way. What, we are going to celebrate the 51st anniversary of the release? I don't think so....

Anyway, I am really hoping for Pigpen on this next release, preferably pre-Keith. I would like more Primal Dead in my collection.

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I believe thats the show where the wolfman introduces them for the 2nd set and they go right into Ramble on Rose.

Clap for the wolfman,
he gon rate your record high
Clap for the wolfman
You're gon dig him til the day you die

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I came up with this hypothesis before Volume 35 and it seems to be on point so far.

Dave’s Picks 2020 Subscriptions on 10/29/19 Dave states:
“I love the 2019 as much as I’ve ever loved any of the years we’ve done. I really do, I think that the variety is quite perfect.”

He goes on and IMO implies that the 2020 release schedule will be very similar to that “perfect” format.

2019 - Eras
1977-02-26 - Volume 29 - Keith & Donna 2 Drummer Era
1970-02-01 - Volume 30 - Pigpen Era
1979-12-03 - Volume 31 - Brent Era
1973-03-24 - Volume 32 - Keith & Donna 1 Drummer Era

2020 - Eras
1977-10-29 - Volume 33 - Keith & Donna 2 Drummer Era
1974-06-23 - Volume 34 - Keith & Donna 1 Drummer Era
1984-04-20 - Volume 35 - Brent Era
Volume 36 - Pigpen Era!

So for what it’s worth - I call Pigpen Era ’68 - ’69 for Volume 36. (Since we'll prob get 1970-71 stuff with AB 50th)

I guess we’ll find out next month ;)

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This is a killer show, time to get this out Dave. This is just a few streets over from where the Dead played their first show as the Grateful Dead, the San Jose Acid Test, The house they played in is still there, they saved it as a landmark. The Rolling Stones were playing at the San Jose Civic Auditorium that night and two of them showed up at the Acid Test later that night.

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Rest in peace Jerilyn Brandelius, passed away a few days ago. She was author of The Grateful Dead Family Album, and Mickey Hart's girlfriend for many years. She was very sweet, and had a great sense of humor.

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are a lot like Brad Marchand. They both bale when you need them the most.

Islanders dominated, but got screwed by a broken shaft. The NHL should ban those damn things.

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People of Earth-

Greetings from the great beyond.

I am contacting you at this time to assure you that all is well and to let you know that Dick's Picks shall continue in my absence just as before. My plans for future releases are well known to my teammates and they have sworn with their blood to remain true to the cause.

I hope this release will alleviate any doubts concerning my posthumous powers.

The Archivist formerly known as Dick

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